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Post by Bushman on Apr 14, 2011 15:07:25 GMT
Rangers dropped the apostrophe in 1967-68. Leicester City, Chelsea & Arsenal had not in the 1974-75 season.    |
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Post by Macmoish on Apr 14, 2011 15:30:58 GMT
Nice find!
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Post by imperium on Apr 18, 2011 6:58:20 GMT
I have received a letter from RON PHILLIPS - remember him - the best Secretary ever for QPR?
I quote his letter which I think gives the definitive answer to the apostrophe conundrum , as follows :
I was indeed the culprit who dropped the apostrophe. The clues are all there. I joined the Club as Secretary in October 1966 and took over as editor of the programme a few months later.
When I arrived the programme consisted of a single, folded sheet of paper which just wasn't up to the standards of the team's fabulous successes at that time. I changed the format to something more substantial(and I designed the Little Men cover which has been so popular with Rangers supporters.
Then I took a look at the club's title on the front cover and decided it had to be improved.
It had absolutely nothing to do with the club coming from Queen's Park or even Queen Victoria. I am red hot on grammatical misspellings caused by dropping apostrophes, but in this case it was simply an aesthetic decision.
Apostrophes used in the titles of well-known locations look ugly. "Queens Park Rangers" as a title is much tidier than "Queen's Park Rangers" (in just the same way that "Regents Park" is easier on the eye than "Regent's Park"), or "Earls Court" is more digestible than "Earl's Court"
I have continued this policy in my present job as Artistic Director of Barons Court Theatre. When I started the theatre in 1991, the area was known as "Baron's Court" It just had to go !
Thanks to the rising popularity of my theatre, everyone wries "Barons Court" nowadays - even the Tube has dropped the apostrophe !
My apologies if my decision offended the traditionalists. I hope that before they vent their anger on me they will at least take into account my "Little Men" innovation and agree that not all I did while at QPR was bad.
Ron Phillips - Secretary QPR 1966-1989
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Post by Macmoish on Apr 18, 2011 7:05:09 GMT
I have received a letter from RON PHILLIPS - remember him - the best Secretary ever for QPR? I quote his letter which I think gives the definitive answer to the apostrophe conundrum , as follows : I was indeed the culprit who dropped the apostrophe. The clues are all there. I joined the Club as Secretary in October 1966 and took over as editor of the programme a few months later. When I arrived the programme consisted of a single, folded sheet of paper which just wasn't up to the standards of the team's fabulous successes at that time. I changed the format to something more substantial(and I designed the Little Men cover which has been so popular with Rangers supporters. Then I took a look at the club's title on the front cover and decided it had to be improved. It had absolutely nothing to do with the club coming from Queen's Park or even Queen Victoria. I am red hot on grammatical misspellings caused by dropping apostrophes, but in this case it was simply an aesthetic decision. Apostrophes used in the titles of well-known locations look ugly. "Queens Park Rangers" as a title is much tidier than "Queen's Park Rangers" (in just the same way that "Regents Park" is easier on the eye than "Regent's Park"), or "Earls Court" is more digestible than "Earl's Court" I have continued this policy in my present job as Artistic Director of Barons Court Theatre. When I started the theatre in 1991, the area was known as "Baron's Court" It just had to go ! Thanks to the rising popularity of my theatre, everyone wries "Barons Court" nowadays - even the Tube has dropped the apostrophe ! My apologies if my decision offended the traditionalists. I hope that before they vent their anger on me they will at least take into account my "Little Men" innovation and agree that not all I did while at QPR was bad. Ron Phillips - Secretary QPR 1966-1989 What's a fabulous, amazing great First Post, Imperium: You've only given us the answer to a decades-old mystery  Many, many thanks - and welcome   |
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Post by harlowranger on Apr 18, 2011 7:24:51 GMT
thankyou
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Post by Bushman on Apr 18, 2011 9:05:30 GMT
Excellent |
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Post by gibraltar on Apr 18, 2011 9:13:15 GMT
wowzers.
however, sorry to be a spoil-sport, but i think all examples look better with the apostrophe(!)
perhaps thats why i'm not a designer, lol.
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Post by zicoshoops on Apr 18, 2011 10:15:21 GMT
That's superb Ron. As you acted without maliceaforethought you are forgiven for your sin. So we're all agreed then.......... We ARE Queen's Park Rangers. (sort it out Rangers) However Ron, methinks that you may have opened a can of worms here. Barons Court? Earls Court? Regents Park? No no, and thrice no. A one man assault on Royalty and the Aristocracy.  Sort it out Ron, we could be talking Treason here.  Henceforth you shall be known as....... Ron Phillips Loyal Club Secretary AKA... Phantom Apostrophe nicker of Olde London Town.  |
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Post by cpr on Apr 18, 2011 10:39:13 GMT
Behave yourself Zico, that's simply madness. From now on, we refer to him as Ron Phillip's in all correspondence. ;D Thanks for information Imp, keep 'em coming. |
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Post by zicoshoops on Apr 18, 2011 11:35:29 GMT
I like it cpr. ;D ;D ;D
Ron Phillip's it is. ;D
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Post by moriarty on Apr 18, 2011 11:43:35 GMT
Let's not Ap'ostracise' Ron Phillip's - great story of the case of the missing '
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Post by Lonegunmen on Apr 18, 2011 11:57:06 GMT
Could my search for Ron Phillips be nearing a conclusion? I've been apealing on here and other site for some years to get incontact with him again.
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Post by londonranger on Apr 18, 2011 14:47:16 GMT
Zico, your point about the apostrophe is well taken, that it should be left on. Unfortunateley,the apostrophe counts if the
team is property of the the Crown; part of the park is named for Queen Victoria for whom the park was part of her royal
parks.
We kept the name but to continue the apostrophe would be misleading. even if we played in the actual Queen's Park for
a while. One might say that without the apostrophe, that it has no meaning. However the area around the park is
Queens Park and the tube station is Queens Park. It is a given that it is near Queen's Park
In terms of Regent"s park, it again is property of the Crown, designed and given to Prince Albert. Earl's Court was
the property of a specific Earl. Earls Court Rangers, an ice-hockey team of yore when I grew up in London did not, approp
riateley have an apostrophe. Barons court never did have an apostrophe, since it came from an Irishman who built up
the area to be like Baronscourt area in Ireland. Lastly, Websters dictionary states that an apostrophe can never be used
to make a noun plural.. Queens Park Rangers is the best under the circumstances although if one wishes to still use
the apostrophe it should be The Queen's Park area Rangers.
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Post by zicoshoops on Apr 19, 2011 9:28:26 GMT
Londonranger, we must agree to disagree. All we need to know is........ The use of an Apostrophe does not indicate the plural. We are talking about only one Queen here, Queen Victoria. Therefore. It's Queen's Park. The station is Queen's Park. And we are Queen's Park Rangers. P.S. Points finger of blame firmly in the direction of Ron Phillip's. ;D ;D |
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Post by Sabas on Apr 19, 2011 11:28:29 GMT
What's the 'Little Men' innovation?
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Post by Macmoish on Apr 19, 2011 11:32:32 GMT
What's the 'Little Men' innovation? |
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Post by londonranger on Apr 19, 2011 17:39:51 GMT
I would like to go on with the debate Zico but I need more time. It will be in the area of "Property of the Crown". But my brain is focussed on strategies for promotion, which takes all my QPR allotted brain area which is between the area for hucksterism, Prophecy, and Imminent economic collapse.  |
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Post by chrisguy on Apr 19, 2011 23:22:40 GMT
Well done Imperium, that's a great letter, now that,that has been solved any chance of finding out from Ron the inspiration for the Steve Race "Pied Piper" music that we ran out too for many years.
It took me years to find out the name of the song I would love to know if there's a story behind that as well.
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Post by londonranger on Apr 19, 2011 23:54:14 GMT
Anyway, Im pretty sure HRM was a FC Bavaria fan in honour of her beloved Albert?  |
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Post by zicoshoops on Apr 20, 2011 8:53:16 GMT
I agree Londonranger, promotion is the focus.
P.S.
Queen Victoria was Rangers through and through. ;D ;D ;D
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Post by Macmoish on Apr 20, 2011 9:13:55 GMT
I notice in ye olde "Rangers" programmes, they used to refer to QPR as Q.P.R.  |
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Post by cpr on Apr 20, 2011 9:16:55 GMT
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Post by maudesfishnchips on Apr 20, 2011 16:27:51 GMT
... wasn't me
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Post by harlowranger on Apr 20, 2011 16:35:02 GMT
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Post by Markqpr on Apr 20, 2011 16:38:49 GMT
Nice one Imperium, superb post. That's the apostrophe mystery cleared up, we found Armel Tchakounte (working at a leisure centre somewhere) and we established definitively the year the club was founded.  Right then, next mystery: Why did we sign Tofas?  |
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Post by moriarty on Apr 20, 2011 16:39:29 GMT
Who is to blame..........?
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Post by harlowranger on Apr 20, 2011 17:27:02 GMT
Wasnt Tofas back up for the back up? I think his contract expires in a couple of weeks. QPR sign midfielder Georgios Tofas QPR have signed midfielder Georgios Tofas on a contract until the end of the season. The 21-year-old Cypriot joins as a free agent following his release from Anathorsis Famagusta. Tofas said: "I'm so happy. My first objective is to get in the team and then show the boss and the fans what I'm capable of." R's boss Neil Warnock added: " He looks like our type of player. He can take men on and has the right work ethic."  |
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Post by Macmoish on May 15, 2011 8:57:09 GMT
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Post by 56vespanvic on May 17, 2011 23:22:44 GMT
The 'mystery' of the apostrophe has nothing to do with Park Royal or Queen Victoria.
In 1882 Christchurch Boys Club formed football team to be known as Christchurch Rangers. They played friendly fixtures against teams in the North/West London areas - mainly on public pitches. Their most frequent encounters were with a team from Droop Street Board School known as St Jude's Institute. These team became 'arch-rivals' in being the 'best' in the district. In 1885 the two agreed to merge in the hope of becoming a stronger force and thus be able to enter one (or some!) of the local Leagues.
The Club played under the name of St Jude's Institute and the church hall of St Jude's became their HQ and training centre.
Arguments soon developed over the disappearance of reference to Christchurch in the name of the newly merged club and several members of both of the original teams departed and most became the nucleus of Paddington FC. Matches between Paddington and the newly merged club soon had the same 'edge' as witnessed when St Jude's had been playing Christchurch Rangers!
The clamour for a new name was resolved in 1886 when a Mr E D Robertson suggested Queens Park as most of the club's players came from the Queens Park area. He suggested (a masterstoke?) that the word Rangers should be kept in the name as a reminder of the club's roots at the Christchurch Rangers Boys Club.
So, no apostrophe in 1886 - neither in the name of the club nor in the name of the district (Queens Park).
One can only suggest that the various comings and goings of the dreaded apostrophe over the years have been courtesy of random typographical errors or incorrect assumptions.
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Post by Bushman on May 18, 2011 7:01:42 GMT
The 'mystery' of the apostrophe has nothing to do with Park Royal or Queen Victoria. In 1882 Christchurch Boys Club formed football team to be known as Christchurch Rangers. They played friendly fixtures against teams in the North/West London areas - mainly on public pitches. Their most frequent encounters were with a team from Droop Street Board School known as St Jude's Institute. These team became 'arch-rivals' in being the 'best' in the district. In 1885 the two agreed to merge in the hope of becoming a stronger force and thus be able to enter one (or some!) of the local Leagues. The Club played under the name of St Jude's Institute and the church hall of St Jude's became their HQ and training centre. Arguments soon developed over the disappearance of reference to Christchurch in the name of the newly merged club and several members of both of the original teams departed and most became the nucleus of Paddington FC. Matches between Paddington and the newly merged club soon had the same 'edge' as witnessed when St Jude's had been playing Christchurch Rangers! The clamour for a new name was resolved in 1886 when a Mr E D Robertson suggested Queens Park as most of the club's players came from the Queens Park area. He suggested (a masterstoke?) that the word Rangers should be kept in the name as a reminder of the club's roots at the Christchurch Rangers Boys Club. So, no apostrophe in 1886 - neither in the name of the club nor in the name of the district (Queens Park). One can only suggest that the various comings and goings of the dreaded apostrophe over the years have been courtesy of random typographical errors or incorrect assumptions. I would suggest that the publication you took this from made the typographical error. |
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