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Post by grumpyolde on Mar 4, 2009 0:04:07 GMT
It seems the only fans left at QPR are the ones wearing permanent blinkers. The team are winning very few matches and they say " Oh well, it will be promotion next year"WHY? WHY? WHY? This team just isn't good enough to get out of this division and I'm begining to believe Flav has had enough. I can't see much money being spent in the close season - for goodness sake -they've even sacked the youth coach to save some money. Peanuts! Most of the young pros have been offloaded to other clubs. What next? No reserve side? That will save another few pounds. The whole setup is wrong. An inexperienced manager, sorry coach, who appears to accept the continental level of interference.An assistant manager - the original yes man -with no coaching credentials whatsoever - ZERO! Can only be there to report back to Flav.
No consideration for the loyal supporters, fans just there to be squeezed to make up for the financial balls up made by the top people. Of course I must mention possessing no football knowledge at all.It hardly creates confidence.
Is there anybody out there who can give me some SENSIBLE reasons why we are going to be promoted to the premier league next year? Gazing into a crystal ball not accepted.
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Post by FloridaR on Mar 4, 2009 1:08:58 GMT
Illiquid as opposed to Liquid. I wondered whether they would last, instant gratification is a demand were large sums of money are involved. Lets hope they pay for an experienced manager next time & maybe a couple of decent strikers No offence to Dex
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Post by QPR Report on Mar 4, 2009 7:44:02 GMT
Is it going to be a case of "good money after bad" - or cut their losses?
Even if they want to spend more, that may not be so easy for them in the current climate.
And while I'm disappointed that we didn't spend more on players - buy striker, etc, etc. In all reality "we" have spent quite a lot since Briatore et al took over. Unfortunately it's HOW the money has been spent since the takeover. Besides what was spent on the ground/boxes, etc... And several millions spent on players; and the high wages (long contracts); wages to off-the-field staff (including the former Chairman); and the pay offs to the fired managers
So once again, we see QPR money spent but not spent particularly well. And that's what especially sad.
So one can a case about the "Boutique" QPR and the new crest and Briatore's managerial involvement, etc. And all valid. But just on the waste issue: We see at QPR as we see in the "real" world - "Businessmen" don't always have the (correct) answers.
[But if any readers want to post opposite points of view, no problem. Feel free]
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Post by grumpyolde on Mar 4, 2009 9:23:59 GMT
Mr. Report,
"Good money after bad "? You are one person I didn't think had been fitted for the blinkers, but to even think of them spending their way out of this predicament is foolhardy.
They came because they could get the club for nothing. They came because they thought they could make a killing.They came to massage Briatore's ego. Now they know it isn't so easy.
Look at all the signs - instead a a big spend I believe there will be massive clear out and little or nothing coming in, and I think the players can sense it. Now a case of damage limitation. Watch this space!
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Post by grumpyolde on Mar 4, 2009 18:13:47 GMT
Where are all the replies? Can't anybody think of any good reasons at all?
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Post by QPR Report on Mar 4, 2009 18:17:27 GMT
Personally I've been a little busy "debating" Pete on the WATRB and the dot.org - Declining his very kind offer to do his call in show:o
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bigade
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Post by bigade on Mar 4, 2009 18:19:53 GMT
i think the problem lies with the attitude towards running a football club.when someone takes over a business it's not what goes on behind the scenes that sells the product to the customer it's the front line which in our case is the football on the pitch.an f1 team makes the majority of it's money from sponsorship but it's still winning races/championships that attracts the big names,f1 fans are a vastly different breed from football fans because most f1 fans only see 1 race a season where we watch 23 home games and in some cases the same amount of away games.the one thing that connects both sports is if you don't inject the correct amount of investment you fail it's that simple.how many f1 teams loan each other their cars......answer none.you can't be successful in either sport by doing things on the cheap and that is where the problem lies with us.they charge us more than most premier teams to watch rubbish championship football and frankly don't care what we think.football has changed from a working class game to a rich mans plaything,you only have to see the pictures of the guests in the "c" club to see that.if the attitude doesn't change no-one will touch us with a barge pole except for has-beens looking for a last big pay day.
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Post by grumpyolde on Mar 6, 2009 21:46:44 GMT
thread started on 04/03/09 - viewed 85 times. Still not a single reason posted to be optimistic about next season and the axe hasn't even started to be wielded yet. Things must be even worse than I thought.
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Post by cpr on Mar 6, 2009 23:11:44 GMT
Given you are grumpyolde by name, why, as a Rangers fan are you expecting success all of a sudden.
I don't, I couldn't care who is in the boa.rdroom either.
One thing I know for certain, as I do every season, Rangers will win the league and the cup
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Post by londonranger on Mar 7, 2009 2:46:35 GMT
Well grumpyolde I value your inputs and glad to see you posting again. CPR is a master of the ad hominem. The Super lets him get away with it because hes like the Championship refs. (Windup). But take away his daily ration and he can be grumpier than you. (opinion plus michael) Keep posting long negative pieces. This Administration deserves it. We dont know whats going to be five years from now. The way to stay sane and still be a Ranger fan is Hope for the best while expecting the worst. What I really enjoy is the money attached to our team. Never had that luxury in 69 years of being an Rs fan. In fact Ive died a thousand deaths. Wegerle goes. Parker. Sell off for survival. to tell the truth I did fade away from the atrocious football for a while, Others were stronger, and bledthrough playoffs at Cardiff. You really have to be 90% scar tissue and survive as an Rs fan. So many of my friends and family deseerted. Arsenal. Chelsea, even Watford. I think now though there is hope. that Brie and Co will sort it out. He wants to succeed and what we see now is trial error and error. eventually he will have to do the right thing to allow growth and advancement. If he cant succeed he will sell. But at least we will live for more years ahead.
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Post by QPR Report on Mar 7, 2009 7:49:24 GMT
We'll see this summer, but I certainly think us fan sights are now a little lower: No more "Let's appoint Mourinho" as manager...
But certainly in my opinion, we have spent enough already since the Briatore takeover to be much better off than we were: The money spent on players + Loan costs + Wages + money to payoff our various managers/coaches. That's a big pot of money. (Just one matter: A policy of paying far higher wages than other club to attract players to come to QPR who wouldn't otherwise come to QPR: That's really worked well). So some may say, player x only cost 350 K But the real cost of the player has to also factor in the startling wage we're paying: 10K a week is half a milion a year.... A few players on that wage (or 15 K or 20K)....big money...A manager paid off, more big money.
And transfer choices: Agyemang cost 350K...And Eubanks Blake cost Wolves over a million. Who got the better deal? And could do that re lot of signings.
a different buying policy
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Post by grumpyolde on Mar 7, 2009 11:25:48 GMT
Londonranger, Thank you for your kind words - much appreciated - but don't worry about me I am well capable of looking after myself. To return to the theme of the thread, my concern is that having wasted enormous sums of money the club seem to have change direction completely.Just read the official website - all the young pro's are being farmed out to other clubs, probably with a view to them leaving.The youth coach has been dismissed and not replaced (saving a pittance in relative terms). Are we even going to have a reserve team next year? If not you will never see another home grown player coming through again because there will be no stepping stone from youth to first team.
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Post by grumpyolde on Mar 8, 2009 17:18:54 GMT
Now 137 views. Come on there must be at least one reason to look forward to next season
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Post by londonranger on Mar 8, 2009 18:11:24 GMT
Only if Briatore changes his habit. well before that 3 injured quality players will be back.
One he cant fire the youth team manager the day after a showing in Italy which wasnt that bad. Two he has to stop buying second rate european players. Three he has to buy QUALITY CHAMPIONSHIP PLAYERS. He has to eat crow and hire a good quality British manager. He has to hire an english Sporting director that knows the ins and outs of football in this country. He has to dig much deeper into his pockets, he has to stop raising prices in times of economic distress.
When he starts to do these things we will have something to look forward to. We have the worst goal record in league or almost. So top drawer strikers must be acquired and scouting should be happenning. We need a scouting system second to none. Mike if you read this try and find Liam Osbornes piece in QPR mad which I think hits all these marks .
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Post by grumpyolde on Mar 12, 2009 20:30:32 GMT
cpr is this what you are looking for?
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Post by cpr on Mar 12, 2009 20:39:11 GMT
Yes it would be! ;D I'll have a read to catch up and offer something. It'll be mostly crap mind. Edit: wtf is "ad hominem" london?
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Post by cpr on Mar 12, 2009 21:09:51 GMT
I think there is obviously an element of cloud cuckoo land grumpyolde but isn't that every fans right and usually where you find the fans of most clubs? It's strange really, on the face of it, Sousa is doing a p1ss poor job at the moment however, the last thing I want is for him to leave/get pushed. Same old, same old, I know but he was definately a great player who coached his country's under 21's. He obviously has the required badges for starters, unlike a certain Mr Ince, who never even attended the introduction even though he had three seperate invitations. Hopefully he is using his enforced absence to achieve the necessary qualifivations. Anyway, I digress, hopefully Sousa will stay, be allowed to at least have half a team of his choosing before the spanish archer descends. He spoke totally from the Briatore bible of speak whilst on goals on sunday. Kamara missed a golden opportunity there in my opinion but then he is not a sports reporter. Putting on the rose coloured specs for a mo, if we do achieve a modicum of success, that C/W12 club will get bunged. What is in place will definately make us the place to be seen. To achieve it though, as you say, Briatore needs to invest on the pitch so it's been cart before horse. Karen Brady loved it mind. Personally, I would like to see a coup from the Mittals, that said, it could be worse, you just don't know. There is the speak that "Briatore is a winner" therefore, he will ensure it is a success simply because his ego will not allow failure. Having said that, he unearthed a great driver, lived off that and his car has hardly set the world alight, thus dispelling the winner theory. It's really a connundrum that only time will tell. I must say, I do not feel eternally grateful to him and his mates for saving our club. As silly as it sounds, the buckets, the struggles, the highest attendances for years, the most season ticket holders of four years ago was the best times for me in years, no decades. We would not have gone to the wall, in my opinion, as was stated ad nauseum at the time. Anyway, I'm rambling now.
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Post by grumpyolde on Mar 12, 2009 21:47:08 GMT
CPR I don't try to deny you the right to dream and want the best for your club, That is a major part and pleasure of being a supporter. All I am trying to do is make you aware of the dangers that exist to that dream. People without your love of QPR have not performed their obligations to the club and fans in a caring way.
Sousa is an intelligent charming man with a great playing pedigree and I believe a genuine concern for his responsibilities. More than anything else he needs a free role to manage the club in a proper manner without interference.
Takeover by the Mittals might be the best solution for the club because money needs to be spent to take the club forward from the doldrums it finds itself in. I don't think briatore has the bottle or inclination to do what is required.
Don't worry about not feeling grateful to the " saviours " of the club. They didn't come to save it for you. They came to make a killing for themselves.
Finally ad hominem is making an argument in favour of the way you would like things to be and not what the facts say it will be.
Keep enjoying your football
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Post by cpr on Mar 12, 2009 22:20:50 GMT
Non illigitamus carborundum
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Post by Zamoraaaah on Mar 13, 2009 12:07:35 GMT
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Post by grumpyolde on Mar 13, 2009 20:10:44 GMT
New QPR slogan Veni, vidi, vici. ?
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Post by QPR Report on Mar 13, 2009 20:15:00 GMT
I think did that as one of my blog post titles some months ago. (Have to check. I think almost no one picked up on it!)
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