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Post by harlowranger on Dec 1, 2010 22:53:52 GMT
This is what i hate about our Country whilst Beckham the Prince and the Prime Minister try their hardest to win us the World Cup these thugs in the West Midlands do there best to ruin it all ! Great !  Is it any wonder this fixture has been played on a Sunday at 12PM for the last 2 years ! Absolute idiots the lot of them ! Again the small minority spoils it for everyone else! |
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Post by harlowranger on Dec 1, 2010 23:04:00 GMT
Hooligans mar Brum derby ahead of World Cup vote
Published 22:13 01/12/10 By Mike Walters
Hooligans hurled flares and seats at each other on a night of shame at St Andrew's.
On the day Prince William and David Beckham hope to deliver the 2018 World Cup, the 22 FIFA executives casting their votes will wake up to shocking images of the old English disease.
Birmingham's triumph in reaching their first major semi-final for eight years and their first derby win against Villa since 2005 was soured by the worst outbreak of crowd disorder this season.
After Nikola Zigic's winner six minutes from time, hundreds of Blues fans invaded the pitch and rushed 100 yards to taunt nearly 4,000 Villa supporters at the Railway end.
Rising to the bait, Villa fans ripped up plastic seats and threw them on to the pitch before launching two flares into the battalions of City supporters assembled provocatively in front of them.
Incredibly, the flares were flung back into the stands and it took a baton charge by police in full riot gear to clear the pitch, fully 10 minutes after the final whistle.
"I'm disappointed by that side of things," Blues boss Alex McLeish told Sky Sports 1. "Fans shouldn't come on to the pitch at any time. It soured it a bit for us.
"I don't think that will affect the World Cup bid, I'm sure that's already decided - and let's hope England gets it because it deserves it.
"It doesn't look good though, when you see fans running on the pitch like that and carrying on. It takes us back to the Dark Ages."
Football Assocation chiefs will launch a major investigation into the mayhem, which led to clashes outside the ground and the drone of police helicopters monitoring 27,679 fans dispersing into the night.
After Lord Triesman's indiscreet sweet nothings and Panorama's unpatriotic documentary, the 2018 campaign team assembled in Zurich can only hope FIFA turn a blind eye to the Battle of Birmingham.
After more than their fair share of derby heartbreak since 2005, victory was little more than Bimingham deserved - but the result will heap more pressure on troubled Aston Villa boss Gerard Houllier.
Villa have slumped to 15th in the Premier League table, just three points above the drop zone, after a turbulent autumn following Martin O'Neill's sudden resignation five days before the start of term.
And although they dominated after the break at ice-age St Andrew's last night, they were unable to capitalise on Gabby Agbonlahor's first-half equaliser against the run of play.
Seb Larsson's early penalty put Birmingham in front, but they left it late to raise the roof in a capacity 27,679 crowd.
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Post by eusebio13 on Dec 2, 2010 0:12:49 GMT
Can't blame Panorama now
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Post by Lonegunmen on Dec 2, 2010 3:31:12 GMT
well done Birmingham dumb F***s! The worlds football press and those already paid off Fifa officials will be using this as the excuse, not Panorama. I hope those midland mind F***s are very proud of themselves! Turd heads.
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Post by Macmoish on Dec 2, 2010 7:33:51 GMT
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Post by Macmoish on Dec 2, 2010 7:34:48 GMT
Guardian/Stuart James Fans invade pitch after Bimingham derby as flares and seats thrown • Hundreds invade St Andrew's pitch after Birmingham's 2-1 win • 'It takes us back to the dark ages' says Alex McLeish Alex McLeish last night accused fans of taking football "back to the dark ages" after ugly scenes at the final whistle overshadowed his Birmingham City team's Carling Cup quarter-final victory over Aston Villa. The trouble started when several thousand Birmingham supporters invaded the pitch at the final whistle and confronted the 3,800 Villa fans located at the opposite end of the ground. Police formed a cordon to prevent the two sets of supporters clashing and a flare was launched by the Birmingham fans in the corner of the Kop stand into the adjacent visiting end. The Villa supporters then threw the flare towards the Birmingham fans on the pitch as police struggled to restore order. Plastic seats were ripped out and the skirmishes continued outside the ground. Afterwards police said 14 people, including four police officers, required hospital treatment for minor injuries and two police dogs were injured after being struck by missiles. A pub near the ground, along with parked cars, suffered damage and there were five arrests. "This incident must have been very frightening for the vast majority of spectators," said Steve Graham, the match-day commander. With England waiting to learn whether their bid to host the 2018 World Cup will be successful, the timing could hardly be worse. The Football Association issued a statement, strongly condemning the actions of those involved and promising a full investigation into scenes that were a similar feature when the clubs last met under floodlights, in the 2002-03 season. West Midlands police had been concerned that another evening kick-off might provoke problems and their fears were realised despite the presence of up to 500 officers. Birmingham have promised to launch their own investigation and it seems inevitable they will be fined. An FA spokesperson said: "We wholly condemn the actions of any individuals who have been involved in the scenes of disorder. The FA abhors acts of violent behaviour and we urge the clubs and authorities to identify any individuals involved in disorder and impose the stiffest sanctions, including banning orders. "The FA will fully investigate the matter. The whole of English football has worked hard to eradicate scenes of disorder from our game, with Home Office figures this week showing a significant drop in arrests at the many thousands of football matches held every week, the majority of which still pass trouble free." McLeish admitted that the actions of the troublemakers had "soured" the night for his players, who were denied the chance to celebrate a first win over their city rivals since 2005. "That was horrible to see the punters running on the pitch – it's from the dark ages that," he said. "We don't condone that at all. I know we have not beaten Villa for a while, and the fans were treating it like a cup final. But when you see flares being thrown into the crowd it's not something you want to be associated with. Fans shouldn't come on to the pitch at any time; that's the disappointing aspect, and that sours it a bit for me. "I don't think that will affect the World Cup bid. I am sure that has already been decided and let's hope England get it." One Aston Villa fan told Radio 5 Live that holding the match in the evening was "a recipe for disaster" and criticised the stewarding, saying: "Sitting above the Villa fans were Birmingham fans. My 11-year-old-son was spat on repeatedly and no action was taken." Birmingham City said it did "not tolerate the breaking of any stadium rules and will conduct a full investigation in conjunction with the FA and police, and take appropriate action. A meeting will be held at St Andrew's on Thursday [today] to investigate the matter further." The club's acting chairman Peter Pannu added: "I promise there will be an impartial investigation by the club." www.guardian.co.uk/football/2010/dec/01/violence-aston-villa-birmingham |
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Post by harlowranger on Dec 2, 2010 7:39:53 GMT
Is it coming now, whenever there is worry or concern between two teams you play the game at the weekend at 12pm ! Even in cup games that normally get played midweek!
IDIOTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by Macmoish on Dec 2, 2010 7:43:39 GMT
If the authorities don't close the ground for this, then what's all the nonsense when one fan throws a coin or one fan runs on the field
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Post by Zamoraaaah on Dec 2, 2010 9:35:09 GMT
The FL need to send out a strong message. They should throw Birmingham out of the competition for failing to control their fans and letting supporters in with fireworks.
It's impossible to stop trouble away from the ground but very easy to stop pitch invasions, conduct proper searches etc.
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Post by Lonegunmen on Dec 2, 2010 9:56:04 GMT
Throw both teams out and make Birmingham play 3 games behind closed doors.
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Post by Zamoraaaah on Dec 2, 2010 9:59:49 GMT
Throw both teams out and make Birmingham play 3 games behind closed doors. I don't think Villa should be punished. The club are responsible for stadium safety and stopping fans encroaching the pitch. They should be the ones held to account IMO. |
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Post by froggyranger on Dec 2, 2010 10:14:11 GMT
In Australia at cricket games you get an automatic fine if you step on the pitch unless it is for safety reasons. the fine used to be 500 dollars (4 years ago). We should do the same here. Sure the police can't arrest everyone, but even if they arrest 20 people and fine them each £1000 (or a police record and community care work if they can't pay) then we might slowly but surely see an end to this. It should be stated that a zero tolerance policy is in place at every ground.
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Post by Lonegunmen on Dec 2, 2010 10:55:03 GMT
Out here, 5k if you go over the wall and onto the playing surface.
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Post by Macmoish on Dec 2, 2010 10:58:00 GMT
Ken Bates had that idea 20+ years ago of Electrified fences!
If you don't have a punishment also for the away fans's club if they're involved, might encourage them to do something to elicit a punishment on the home club
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Post by Jon Doeman on Dec 2, 2010 11:46:27 GMT
Out here, 5k if you go over the wall and onto the playing surface. That would make you think twice, before going on the pitch! What is it here £50? |
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Post by Macmoish on Dec 2, 2010 17:15:00 GMT
"Solihull man arrested after football clashes" - No, wasn't ....!  But I see fans clashed (not as bad as last night of course, at least encounter Solihull News - Solihull man arrested after football clashes SEVEN men have been arrested including two from Chelmsley Wood and Acocks Green following violent clashes at last month’s Aston Villa V Birmingham City derby game. A string of dawn raids saw the hooligans arrested on suspicion of violent disorder at the match which took place on Sunday October 31. Police also released CCTV images of just some of those believed to be involved in a bid to name and shame the culprits. Detective Inspector Derek Packham, said: “The operation is the first of a series we have planned in order to capture those suspected of violence at football matches. “My message to those who were involved in the disorder at the last derby is hand yourself in now and spare your friends, family and yourself the humiliation of seeing your photograph on the news and having a offices arrest you at your home or place of work. “Make no mistake, we have the evidence, we have your details, we will arrest you.” All seven - who range in age from 18 to 45-years-old - have been bailed pending further enquiries. If found guilty, the men will also face a lifetime ban imposed by the club and a football banning order preventing them from going to future matches. If you have any information about the violence call the police Football Unit on 0345 113 5000. Alternatively call the independent charity Crimestoppers anonymously on 0800 555 111. www.solihullnews.net/news/solihull-news/2010/12/01/solihull-man-arrested-after-football-clashes-105074-27749670/
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Post by blockhead on Dec 2, 2010 18:07:05 GMT
one wonders if they saw that game in Zurich last night.
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Post by blockhead on Dec 2, 2010 18:28:55 GMT
Sepp Blatter said the sight of flares at an English ground last night scuppered their bid....
"why do they keep going back to 1966?" ;D
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Post by Lonegunmen on Dec 3, 2010 1:05:15 GMT
Well done the Birmingham F***tards! Although I am quite sure the brown envelopes were passed a lot longer back than last night.
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Post by harlowranger on Dec 3, 2010 8:32:30 GMT
Why Midlands derby must never be played at night again
By Robbie Savage
I don't think the trouble at St Andrews on Wednesday night affected our World Cup chances. But I do think there should never be another night-time Midlands derby.
The hatred between the two sets of fans is such that the disgraceful scenes were shocking but not surprising. I've played in those games and I knew what was coming right from the start.
I hop the clubs and the police now act swiftly to catch, ban and take legal action against the idiots who threw flares and chairs. It's not hype to say that someone could have been maimed for life or even killed.
But the Football League and the Premier League must also get together to ensure that if one of these powder-keg occasions ever come up again, they can swap fixtures and play the Carling Cup game on Sunday morning.
Is that really the answer though !
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Post by harlowranger on Dec 3, 2010 8:37:23 GMT
Birmingham flare almost hit me - Villa legend Taylor
By James Nursey - Exclusive
Former Aston Villa star Ian Taylor has revealed how he got caught up in the Second City derby violence.
Ex-midfielder Taylor, who made more than 250 appearances for Villa from 1994-2003, still supports his local team and was among the 3,800 away fans at St Andrew's for Wednesday's Carling Cup quarter-final.
Birmingham won 2-1 with a late Nikola Zigic goal and around 1,000 home fans invaded the pitch at the final whistle to taunt their rivals' support.
At least one flare was let off and repeatedly thrown at rival fans separated only by a thin line of riot police as dozens of ripped-up seats also went flying.
Taylor, now a respected football agent, told Mirrorsport: "It was a bit hairy, but I got home unhurt.
"I went in wearing a hat and didn't have any colours on - you never do there.
"It was OK getting in and out of the ground - I have done it before, so I know where to go and where not to go. Once we were inside it is always an aggressive atmosphere at Birmingham - especially at night.
"Problems with the fans were, sadly, to be expected really, but it did get a bit out of hand.
"The away fans at Birmingham are very close to the home support and things always get thrown. But when their fans all came on the pitch it did get pretty nasty. Because they had scored so late and won the game they wanted to rub the Villa fans' noses in it.
"I didn't see who fired the flare first but I saw it get thrown back into the away end near me.
"The Blues fans were trying to provoke the Villa fans and it was a recipe for trouble having the game at night under the lights, but when else could they play it? The clubs and authorities had no choice because the fixture list is so busy."
The FA, West Midlands police and both clubs have pledged to work together to identify those responsible using CCTV footage and photos.
Police confirmed yesterday one man was arrested before kick-off and cautioned for drunken behaviour.
Another five people were arrested after the match for violent public order offences.
Of those five, two were fined, two were cautioned and one was bailed for possession of drugs.
Birmingham insist anyone found guilty of disorder will face "stringent action".
Blues acting-chairman Peter Pannu said: "There will be an impartial investigation by the club as we do not condone the embarrassing actions of certain individuals."
Brum now face West Ham in the semi-finals in the New Year, and City intend to let David Gold attend.
Hammers' co-chairman and former Brum co-owner Gold, 73, was banned from the clubs' Premier League game at St Andrew's last month.
City reacted furiously after Gold branded former Hong Kong cop Pannu "disgusting" in the build-up.
It followed a huge row between Carson Yeung and his City predecessors after the tycoon's £80m buy-out a year ago.
Yeung was outraged at the state of Birmingham's finances while Gold claimed City reneged on a deal to keep him on as chairman.
But Gold has since issued a personal apology about his remarks and Mirrorsport understands he has written to City officials expressing his regret.
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Post by Zamoraaaah on Dec 3, 2010 8:39:23 GMT
Day or night, if the club/Police had done their job and stopped fans encroaching the pitch/bringing in fireworks those scenes would have been avoided.
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Post by Lonegunmen on Dec 3, 2010 8:53:39 GMT
What a contradiction of terms "respected football agent! respected and agent? wtf
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Post by Jon Doeman on Dec 3, 2010 18:56:27 GMT
Why Midlands derby must never be played at night again By Robbie Savage I don't think the trouble at St Andrews on Wednesday night affected our World Cup chances. But I do think there should never be another night-time Midlands derby. The hatred between the two sets of fans is such that the disgraceful scenes were shocking but not surprising. I've played in those games and I knew what was coming right from the start. I hop the clubs and the police now act swiftly to catch, ban and take legal action against the idiots who threw flares and chairs. It's not hype to say that someone could have been maimed for life or even killed. But the Football League and the Premier League must also get together to ensure that if one of these powder-keg occasions ever come up again, they can swap fixtures and play the Carling Cup game on Sunday morning. Is that really the answer though ! Same Hammers v 'Wall last year . Agree with your last para. |
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