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Post by londonranger on Feb 1, 2009 18:53:21 GMT
I. Any new rules for "Boutique" posting??. 2.Latest Borrowdale news. He didnt play for Saffend either. He may be a boutique fullback. (sorry Mike) 3. General Questions for boarders. Is everyone happy with Souze not having a backup goal.. Do we have a backup Goalkeep. Has Fitz Hall been taking lessons in Keeping?? does anyone remember position players who could also play goal or would sometimes; either QPR or any other team. Are we going to make a last minute buy before the window closes.
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Post by QPR Report on Feb 1, 2009 19:59:16 GMT
Reading WATRB, Camp's a gonner.
I bet we make at least token efforts to sign players so it will look better.
If we're serious about a playoff spot, we'll buy. If we're not, we won't. I'd have thought. Yes, we can still loans. But the barrel's getting a little empty.
And if we do really have financial issues: Again - I don't criticize QPR not spending more; but do say, look at how they spent the money.
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Post by cpr on Feb 2, 2009 9:23:04 GMT
That's Camp staying put then.
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Post by andyg199 on Feb 2, 2009 10:12:57 GMT
I. Any new rules for "Boutique" posting??. 2.Latest Borrowdale news. He didnt play for Saffend either. He may be a boutique fullback. (sorry Mike) 3. General Questions for boarders. Is everyone happy with Souze not having a backup goal.. Do we have a backup Goalkeep. Has Fitz Hall been taking lessons in Keeping?? does anyone remember position players who could also play goal or would sometimes; either QPR or any other team. Are we going to make a last minute buy before the window closes. Our backup goalie is the youth goalie as it stands I believe. Historically, Dave Webb and Steve Palmer both were theoretically capable of going in goal.
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Post by cpr on Feb 2, 2009 12:19:05 GMT
I. Any new rules for "Boutique" posting??. 2.Latest Borrowdale news. He didnt play for Saffend either. He may be a boutique fullback. (sorry Mike) 3. General Questions for boarders. Is everyone happy with Souze not having a backup goal.. Do we have a backup Goalkeep. Has Fitz Hall been taking lessons in Keeping?? does anyone remember position players who could also play goal or would sometimes; either QPR or any other team. Are we going to make a last minute buy before the window closes. Our backup goalie is the youth goalie as it stands I believe. Historically, Dave Webb and Steve Palmer both were theoretically capable of going in goal. As is Blackstock.
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Post by Markqpr on Feb 2, 2009 13:29:46 GMT
Is everyone happy with Souze not having a backup goal.. Do we have a backup Goalkeep. Has Fitz Hall been taking lessons in Keeping?? does anyone remember position players who could also play goal or would sometimes; either QPR or any other team. Are we going to make a last minute buy before the window closes.[/quote]
C Club members ONLY:
I personally for one am not happy at all with Mr. Sousa's inclination to play without a goalkeeper on the bench. It was obvious for both the Burnley games and the Coventry one that Mr. Cerny was struggling with a leg injury, hamstring so I've heard, and therefore his ability to kick the ball was seriously affected and he looked quite uncomfortable when he was called on to do so. I would assume that Mr. Cole is an adequate replacement and the youth keeper has come on leaps and bounds over the last few months so, yes, yes we do, my good chap. I am unaware if Mr. Hall has been taking coaching in the position of goalkeeper, though i do not expect this to be so. I believe Mr. Bircham donned the goalkeepers jersey once, though no players come to mind, mind.
W12 Patrons ONLY:
No. Don't know. Doubt it. Not really.
Everyone else:
Go away. You still here? Look just go away. The club is changing, for the good, we don't want or need you anymore. You still want to come. Alright, how much money have you got? Well it costs more than that. GO AWAY.
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Post by dylanpresman on Feb 2, 2009 18:17:37 GMT
We have Camp and Cerny. Both have played well and are perfectly good back-ups for the other.
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Post by londonranger on Feb 2, 2009 20:28:39 GMT
Many posters are saying Camp is on his way out though.
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Post by londonranger on Feb 3, 2009 4:01:50 GMT
Mark I really enjoyed your post. Are you saying in essence that the team is now their QPR to do what they want and fans can pay what they set the prices at , and take what they get without complaint because we are better. Now there maybe something that I couldnt grasp. I would enjoy reading a further development of what you wrote. If you would be of the mind to. Cheers,
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Post by Markqpr on Feb 3, 2009 11:06:34 GMT
Mark I really enjoyed your post. Are you saying in essence that the team is now their QPR to do what they want and fans can pay what they set the prices at , and take what they get without complaint because we are better. Now there maybe something that I couldnt grasp. I would enjoy reading a further development of what you wrote. If you would be of the mind to. Cheers, Hi London, I wrote that post in the spirit of the 'new boutique QPR'. What was once our football club is now a 'boutique project' and so as the message board is now 'the new boutique QPR report messageboard' I thought I would keep my post in line with the nature of that. To explain my comment, it is obvious to me that Briatore has absolutely no concern for the average fan. Previous comments made by him along the lines that the average fan does not have a say in how the club runs because they can't afford to buy shares and only put a small amount of money into the club because the prices were not extortionate before he came really grates me, along with, be thankful, I am here, I have saved your club, now get on your knees and kiss my feet! I do have shares in the club, bought with every penny I had when I was young, though I and most other fans have been treated despicably by the new owners since their arrival. The very notion of 'boutique football' fills me with anger. Boutique means provide a lower standard of service but charge the highest prices under the illusion of exclusivity. It stems from the insecurity of rich men who feel they have to exclude the average man with high prices, so they can wallow in their own (perceived) greatness of being able to afford to do so. Absolutely disgusting. The matchday experience has declined massively for the average supporter, yet the price remains high. How can you raise prices, yet lower the facilities on offer (no members bar for example in SAR)? Simple: call it 'boutique'. The snobbery around the club is ridiculous. Take the exclusive 'boutique shop' with the £400+(?) QPR shoes. You can only get into the shop if you are a member of W12 or the C Club. Therefore the average supporter is denied the opportunity to even see the 'exclusive gifts', so the price is justified by creating the illusion that you are privileged just to be able to buy them. That shows utter contempt for the average fan. You can't afford them, is what the club is saying, so you can't even look at them. Is that what W12 membership is about? Not for me or the other members, proper QPR thru and thru in there. I just wanted the same seat as previous years. Though that still remains empty in the C Club! When I went to sort out my ticket I got the distinct impression that the C Club was not on offer to me, the lady explaining the new arrangements wouldn't even tell me what the C stood for. I asked and she told me what it didn't stand for and that there was a 2 ticket minimum purchase, in other words: don't even think about it, it's not for you, peasant. She even inclinated that it was for shareholders only and looked surprised when I informed her that I was a shareholder. I must admit I would of considered it if there wasn't a 2 ticket minimum purchase, just to get my seat! (Yes, I am slightly mad. I've got Queens Park Rangeritis. An affliction that means I abandon all logic and reason when it comes to football.) It's this utter contempt for us fans that I think is the reason for the bad malaise that hangs round the club at the moment. The crowd does not sing like it used to even though we are a better side than previous seasons. There is anger and derision over how, we the fans, are being treated. Not passing the VAT reductions onto the fans is an effective way of raising ticket prices by 2.5% on the quiet on top of the previous massive hike. I won't even begin to state how I feel about the family stand not being covered and the Gold, Silver and Bronze debacle. The club has also effectively cut off any form of recourse for the fans. We have had to fight for a fans forum, but even that is diminished in it's effectiveness due to the fan's representatives coming from so many different groups that we don't have one coherent voice. Though, it must be said, that the various fan groups do not help this by seemingly sniping at each other across the net instead of realising common goals. It's not that I want the club back to how it was, I just want to be respected as a QPR fan by my own club at least. Briatore stated that the club would not be here if it wasn't for him, so like it or lump it. What arrogance! He can't state that definitively and it shows a certain God complex. Well mate, we've been here longer than you and will be here longer than you. Don't tell me about a recession and cutting costs. You set the stupidly high prices and drove many fans away, you handed out the contracts and signed them, you killed the atmosphere in the ground with your arrogant attitude towards the common fan. You can shove your boutique, WE ARE QPR, a football club, not some rich man's exclusive club. Without us you are nothing. You can build a wall around yourself and fill your ivory tower with sycophants, but to me right now your a joke. And a bad one at that. Show some respect to the average fan and we will respect you. Continue to treat us in the manner you have done and you will only breed contempt. Hope that helps explain my previous post London. In a nutshell, the clubs treatment of the majority of fans is contemptuous and largely despicable. All wrapped up nicely with a boutique bow, bought at the boutique shop where they rip you off and then laugh about it. Somethings got to give. And all it needs is a change of attitude by the new owners towards the fans where we are respected as being QPR fans and not just seen in terms of revenue. Then we can all get our pride back and move forwards together, as one, as QPR. I for one would be grateful if I never heard or saw the word 'boutique' again. It's snobbery and snobbery is a low level form of racism as far as I am concerned.
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Post by londonranger on Feb 3, 2009 12:25:40 GMT
I have read it and it is an eye-opener, a teriffic post. No one has ever put it together quite like the way you have that I have seen. Must read it again. Thanks Mark.
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Post by londonranger on Feb 3, 2009 15:07:04 GMT
Yes on 2nd Reading agree totally. That is the way they run or dont run their message board Official site. who need to know what we are doing but us. But thy may gey their comeuppance. Mittal has lost huge amounts of money and Flavio has too. All we can hope that there is return to caring about human decency and respect for the customer. One change perhaps from racism to elitism, or Profiteerism.
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Post by Zamoraaaah on Feb 3, 2009 15:25:24 GMT
Fantastic post Mark.
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Post by QPR Report on Feb 3, 2009 16:44:38 GMT
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Post by QPR Report on Feb 3, 2009 16:48:03 GMT
Basically I think messageboard posters should adopt a general policy of skepticism; of "Speaking Truth to Power;" of "Trust but Verify" and of not, in the memorable phrase, of kissing up; kicking down." And so on. And for more serious comments, I'll do some other time. But agree; very interesting.
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Post by londonranger on Feb 3, 2009 18:24:41 GMT
Just a thought Mike. What in the blazes are you talking about?? I sort of liked Sycophants incidentally. But Balanta is back so onward and upward. Am not trying to embarass you by the way.
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Post by QPR Report on Feb 3, 2009 18:37:36 GMT
Without going further, I would just say that when I hear the term "Sycophants" in reference to QPR; for some reason, certain posters do come to mind
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Post by londonranger on Feb 3, 2009 19:19:53 GMT
Gottchyer.
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Post by londonranger on Feb 4, 2009 1:03:44 GMT
Mark, the crudeness and snobbery you allude to doesnt belong in Football management. It has a Charles Di....sian ring to it. Nicholas Nickleby., Bleak house in terms of the wealthy owner class vs the perceived "lower class fan."
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