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Post by Zamoraaaah on Jan 16, 2009 17:36:47 GMT
From QPR VitalAt the expense of creating a riot, I was just wondering what the general feeling was about Manchester City's proposed £107million purchase of Kaka. This has absolutely nothing to do with Manchester City. As a QPR fan I cant exactly talk about not throwing the wealth around when & if - altho our Board seem rather more reluctant to throw their money around than the City Board does at present! This is more to do with the ethical and moral and economic soundness of this transaction. Surely a deal like this will fuel the flames of discontent? We are, just in case some hadn't noticed, in the middle of a rather serious economic down-turn and spending this sort of money on one player is obscene, in my opinion. It will also serve to seriously mess up the transfer market for the future - clubs who want to sell to Manchester City in future will up their prices, just as when players' prices rose coz Abramovich started writing out cheques with checking how many noughts there were! And when (I hope when not if!) QPR do make it into the Premier League, will we be able to 'compete' for players even with our so-called billionaires' backing? And this is not just about QPR but what about all other teams winning, and hoping to win, promotion this year and in the future? What about those teams already in the Premier League who don't have the financial clout of these big spenders? How will they survive? Some people may say I am envious - not at all as this is not going to personally affect my team (at least, not yet, I hope!) Every football fan should be afraid of the repercussions if this deal goes through and that is why I do think that UEFA or equivalent should step in before this deal threatens to change football in a big and not particularly pleasant way for ever. www.qpr.vitalfootball.co.uk/article.asp?a=139481
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Post by londonranger on Jan 16, 2009 18:21:20 GMT
Yes if you are an Oil sheikh.
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Post by Zamoraaaah on Jan 16, 2009 18:43:40 GMT
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Post by londonranger on Jan 16, 2009 19:43:59 GMT
Lunch money for the Sheik of Oman and whatever.
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Post by cpr on Jan 16, 2009 21:04:10 GMT
Bloody ridiculous and a mockery of a global financial meltdown!!!!
Why did they get all the oil eh?
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Post by sandyhoops on Jan 18, 2009 15:02:41 GMT
Have just read that Real Madrid are now going to try to scupper City's dreams - does that mean they are going to offer MORE than the £107mill on the table from City?
And if so, doesn't this just prove exactly wot I've been talking about when commenting on this deal - that the deal will indirectly cause a spiral/domino effect which could have a disastrous effect on football as a whole!
And I got called "stupid" the other day for saying that . . .!!
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Post by cpr on Jan 18, 2009 15:35:13 GMT
Have just read that Real Madrid are now going to try to scupper City's dreams - does that mean they are going to offer MORE than the £107mill on the table from City? And if so, doesn't this just prove exactly wot I've been talking about when commenting on this deal - that the deal will indirectly cause a spiral/domino effect which could have a disastrous effect on football as a whole! And I got called "stupid" the other day for saying that . . .!! Difficult to comment on your observations as it's your first post. You in the right place?
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Post by sandyhoops on Jan 18, 2009 18:32:32 GMT
Yes - totally, cpr - I thought this was something that ALL fans should be thinking about which is why I wrote the article (as above) in the first place.
But I am true Rs fan - and post on many different Rs' message-boards.
If you dont want to comment on my first post, fair enuf - but did you read my article in the first place?
QPR could easily get sucked into this kind of bidding war for a player (maybe not quite on the £100mill-scale) and do we really want that to happen? We would quickly be bankrupt, particularly if our esteemed Board decided they'd had enuf of us!!
Think about it ;-)
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Post by Zamoraaaah on Jan 19, 2009 11:09:58 GMT
The confusion was my fault Sandy. I didn't credit you with the Vital piece when I C&P'd it because i didn't see your name on it at the time but later worked out it was you when I read it on 606. Sorry about that but it's good to see you on here so welcome. I agree with a lot of your points although I would add that I think the Man City scenario is in fact a repercussion of the Abrahamovitch/Chels**t transfer dealings of recent years. £100m on a transfer is new ground but paying silly money for a player is nothing new. Chels**t started the trend of buying loads of players over the odds and then letting them warm the bench to the detriment of the players career also stopping them playing for a potential rival and I have a feeling Man City may follow suit.
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Post by QPR Report on Jan 19, 2009 11:18:57 GMT
I too didn't realize the author of the Vital QPR piece
Going back a few years: The furore at the first 100,000 pound player...And then the first 200,000 pound player (Martin Peters). First 350,000 pound player (Bob Latchford); Keegan (500,000); Trevor Francis 1 million pounds.
NO question 100 million pounds is a lot. But just as - or more significant I think, are the massive, massive wage being paid. And it's the wages more than the transfer fees that to be honest, stagger me. Because that money is going out of the club, whereas transfer fees are passed on; and other players bought, etc. - Especially compared to wages of 10 and 20 years ago. (Back in 1970 or so, Rodney Marsh was one of a couple 100 pound a week players in the Second Division - and financially, he wasn't much worse off by not being in the First Divison)
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Post by sandyhoops on Jan 19, 2009 14:51:38 GMT
Thanks guys & I'm sorry it's take me so long to get over here!!
I have to say that I hadn't thought about the Che**** point - you are right, wot difference how much is shelled out if all you are actually doing is buying up everyone so that no-one else can get them (I remember this happening in one instance with Sean Wright-Phillips - Arsenal wanted him & he wanted to go to Arsenal; but Che**** came in wiv such an over-inflated valuation of the kid that who else would Man City sell to, but them).
The wages issue is another story too - altho one could make a slight argument for the fact that, as Kaka would be earning his incredibly ridiculous weekly wage in the UK, he would be subject to UK tax & Ni payments. On the other hand - he's probably got such a good accountant that they'd manage to save him from all the tax!!
I dont remember there being so much furore as incredulity wen Trevor Francis went for £1mill - but maybe I am wearing rose-tinted glasses to the past?!!
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Post by cpr on Jan 19, 2009 18:49:42 GMT
Yes - totally, cpr - I thought this was something that ALL fans should be thinking about which is why I wrote the article (as above) in the first place. But I am true Rs fan - and post on many different Rs' message-boards. If you dont want to comment on my first post, fair enuf - but did you read my article in the first place? QPR could easily get sucked into this kind of bidding war for a player (maybe not quite on the £100mill-scale) and do we really want that to happen? We would quickly be bankrupt, particularly if our esteemed Board decided they'd had enuf of us!! Think about it ;-) I echo the apologies as I was not aware that it was your article either. I agree with it btw.
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Post by Zamoraaaah on Jan 19, 2009 20:55:14 GMT
And Flav's viewTaken from Teamtalk Kaka move is 'mad' - BriatoreKaka's proposed £107million switch to Manchester City has been likened to Michael Schumacher driving for Minardi - totally pointless. City's move for the AC Milan star has not escaped the attention of multi-millionaire QPR co-owner Flavio Briatore. Briatore, boss of Renault's Formula One team, has never been a man to stifle his opinion, and the flamboyant Italian pulled no punches in his condemnation of the potential transfer. "If you'd put Schumacher in a Minardi it would have gone nowhere," Briatore said. "If you put Kaka in this club it would go nowhere. It is completely mad.
"You look at Robinho. When he arrived he looked like he had solved the problem, but now the team looks like it is very close to going down.
"You have to have respect as well because there are people in the grandstands who only earn £14,000 a year.
"They see all this money going to one player, and for me there are no morals at all."Briatore, speaking at the launch of his team's new car for the 2009 season at the Algarve Motor Park, is now demanding the introduction of a salary cap. It is an idea that has been mooted before but has been rejected due to the difficulties of imposing such a rule. But Briatore, who runs QPR along with F1 supremo Bernie Ecclestone and one of the world's richest men, Indian billionaire Lakshmi Mittal, is adamant it is time for the players to stop earning such outrageous sums of money. "Without a salary cap we will go nowhere," insisted the 58-year-old.
"When I arrive at my club parking lot it looks like the best car dealership in London because you see only Porsche, Audi and Ferrari. "Yet there are people out there who have difficulties paying their mortgage."I feel the sport needs to set a good example to everybody because it's very challenging."I hope we arrive at a point where we impose a salary cap for the players. It's fundamental for the good of the sport."www.teamtalk.com/football/story/0,16368,1801_4819039,00.html
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Post by QPR Report on Jan 19, 2009 21:00:52 GMT
And I just posted this on another thread. Sorry; didn't see this.
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Post by QPR Report on Jan 19, 2009 22:38:31 GMT
Makes you wonder how much a Gerry Francis, Stan Bowles, Dave Thomas or Rodney Marsh would be worth today, at their peak?
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Post by sandyhoops on Jan 20, 2009 11:46:22 GMT
As you know, I was very quick to condemn the potential deal. (Altho I didn't get quite the same press coverage as Briatore :-D )
Now I want to say that I'm incredibly proud of Kaka - daft as it may seem, seeing as how I dont even know the guy!
He has spoken very loudly & clearly FOR football by turning City down.
Not coz it was City am I delighted but because this deal would have been very, very bad for football worldwide.
And I am equally impressed with Milan - they have allowed Kaka to have the final say & have respected his wishes. It could not have been easy for the Club, as a business to turn durn such a huge sum of money.
Milan have also spoken FOR football today - and, as a result, I think football will be richer.
Go Kaka! Go Milan!
(But will Briatore practice wot he is preaching when (not if!!) we get to the Prem & need to start buying appropriate players!!)
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Post by Zamoraaaah on Jan 20, 2009 12:23:30 GMT
Good on Kaka for following his chosen path but I wonder if Berlusconi is really happy he's losing out on £110m? If Milan wanted to keep the player surely they would have said the player wasn't for sale at any cost like ManU/Ronaldo, Liverpool/Torres.
Now City have a huge problem, who do they go for now? Messi? Torres again? Bellamy isn't going to get them into the big 4 and now it's reported that Robinho is acting up. With no European football on offer for Galacticos and an unfashionable manager how will they get this type of player?
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