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Post by tightattheback on Apr 19, 2019 17:16:41 GMT
What is about Les Ferdinand that makes some of you guys think that he is doing anything like a decent job. The club is definitely in a worse position, and arguably a worse state than when he arrived.
How and why would you believe that it wasn’t his decision? He is the Director of Football. Whether you like it or not he has to take a degree of responsibility.
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Post by Marc on Apr 19, 2019 17:30:20 GMT
What is about Les Ferdinand that makes some of you guys think that he is doing anything like a decent job. The club is definitely in a worse position, and arguably a worse state than when he arrived. How and why would you believe that it wasn’t his decision? He is the Director of Football. Whether you like it or not he has to take a degree of responsibility. That what wasn't his decision? McClaren's appointment? No it wasn't, it was Fernandes, Les didn't want him. Director of football doesn't mean he's in charge of everything. Off he pitch, the club is in a way better position than it was when he arrived.
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Post by tightattheback on Apr 19, 2019 17:40:39 GMT
I go and pay money to watch what goes on on the pitch. Very kind of him to absolve himself of any blame regarding McClaren and Ollie. Just where do you get this information?
Next time you see him, ask about Ramsey and JFH.
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Post by rickyqpr on Apr 19, 2019 17:59:47 GMT
I go and pay money to watch what goes on on the pitch. Very kind of him to absolve himself of any blame regarding McClaren and Ollie. Just where do you get this information? Next time you see him, ask about Ramsey and JFH. By the same token, I am not sure why you want to blame the Director of Football for deeds and events that were not his direct decisions. This managerial appointment will be the first that has been delegated to Hoos & Ferdinand. The other appointments have been made over their heads. If they get this one wrong, then they are both accountable. If they appoint a reluctant Sherwood and it does not work out, the keyboard warriors will rightly hold them to account. Including me. But it seems that a number of posters (mainly on other sites) do not understand the role of a Director of Football. But those that do understand, appreciate the progress we have made in this area. Given the restrictions we are being made to work under, some, like me, feel the need to defend Hoos and Ferdinand. You pay your money, have a right to an opinion, especially about what goes on on the pitch. As to whether or not we are in a worse position than when he arrives - that depends on your definition. We have gone from a Premier League Club, to an upper Championship club to one struggling to avoid relegation to the third tier. But when you put it into context, we are being better run than at any time in the last 10 years IMHO
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Post by harr on Apr 19, 2019 18:17:55 GMT
As I said previously if Sherwood gets the job it will Les’s final stint for sure as he will go if Sherwood goes, unless Sherwood is a revelation but a I don’t hold much hope with that. LF would be better if the position went to someone else.
As far as Holloway said after he was released, he had no problem with LF and he said Les wasn’t the one who wanted him to go, that’s what Ollie said. So I presume it was one of the owners who wanted IH out and SM .
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Post by Roller on Apr 19, 2019 19:22:15 GMT
I go and pay money to watch what goes on on the pitch. Very kind of him to absolve himself of any blame regarding McClaren and Ollie. Just where do you get this information? Next time you see him, ask about Ramsey and JFH. Tony Fernandes wrote in his autobiography that he appointed Ian Holloway as manager and that Lee Hoos and Les Ferdinand were against his decision. I'm certain that it was Fernandes' decision to appoint Ramsey as manager, I don't know about Hasselbaink.
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Post by Roller on Apr 19, 2019 19:38:25 GMT
I don't understand some people's desire to fire Ferdinand. We were as good as relegated from the Premier League when he came into the club. Since then he has overseen dramatically reducing parachute payments without it affecting our league position. He has completely rebuilt our academy and under-23s so that we are now getting players through to play for our first team, we've even managed to sell a couple of our youth players for a profit. We now have a scouting network worthy of the name, one which has enabled us to bring in players such as Luke Freeman for a song. If, and it is a big if, he is allowed to select the next manager and if that man fails, I, for one, would not want to see Ferdinand be forced to go with him just to briefly sate some supporters blood lust.
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Post by tightattheback on Apr 19, 2019 20:52:30 GMT
Rickyqpr, I’ll give you a clue as to why I blame the Director of Football. Have a quick look at the job title, Director of Football, yes that’s it Director (one who directs) of Football (and that’s what he is paid to direct).
Must be about 5 years now and if he is not directing decisions such as managerial appointments (those that manage) then maybe he should ask for his role to be re named or just accept that he is failing, or simply not Directing the Football side of things.
Roller, If Les was against Ollies appointment and then against sacking him, then I suggest that surely at some point he will take responsibility for at least something, Apart from Ramsey and JFH of course.
However, I do respect all of your views and comments.
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Post by gladstoneparkranger on Apr 20, 2019 8:15:06 GMT
Left field consideration.... did anyone else see Beardsley at the game yesterday?
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Post by rickyqpr on Apr 20, 2019 13:19:42 GMT
Rickyqpr, I’ll give you a clue as to why I blame the Director of Football. Have a quick look at the job title, Director of Football, yes that’s it Director (one who directs) of Football (and that’s what he is paid to direct). Must be about 5 years now and if he is not directing decisions such as managerial appointments (those that manage) then maybe he should ask for his role to be re named or just accept that he is failing, or simply not Directing the Football side of things. Roller, If Les was against Ollies appointment and then against sacking him, then I suggest that surely at some point he will take responsibility for at least something, Apart from Ramsey and JFH of course. However, I do respect all of your views and comments. If someone walked into QPR today with no knowledge of our recent history there would be a number of logical questions requiring answers. However, it is all about context. Why are we having to do what we are currently doing and how can we change it? You have to go back a very long way at QPR before you find an owner who understood how to successfully run a football club. Our current owners have only recently agreed to let executives do their jobs. Their vanity makes them believe that they can do the jobs of their appointed executives better than they can - and they can not! Flavio believed that he should be managing the team so just sacked team manager after team manager. We did not have Directors of Football then. Our first Director of Football has had to grow into the role against the background of existing and potential managers going over his head to the Chairman / Ex-Chairman. McClaren's dialogue with Fernandes was long established, the decision to release Holloway taken safe in the knowledge that McClaren was lined up. The decision was not taken by those paid to take it. We are not the only club in this situation. As Roller says, Ferdinand's progress in the areas that he has been given delegated authority stand fine scrutiny. He is to be commended. It is hard to hold him responsible for the areas where he has not been given the authority. The hiring and firing of managers should be the responsibility of the CEO and DofF - hopefully it is now. But if we are going to translate these roles into their true literal sense, then Lee Hoos should be sacked immediately. As CEO he has resided over QPR through a steady decline to the present relegation threat. Clearly that would be stupid and unfair. For the first time, we have sensible management and proper Fiscal controls. He inherited a dreadful mess, including the FFP fine and sanctions. If we cannot recover next year and we are relegated as part of the consequences, he may still have been doing a good job. Both the CEO and DofF have to form a strategy that achieves the objectives in the medium to long term. If they are to be judged fairly, then that is the criteria they should be judged against. At this juncture, I think they are both doing well. If we judge them the way we judge team managers and coaches, they would be gone some time ago. Managers are judged by results. They accept contracts knowing that if they fail they get a decent pay-off. They strangely walk into other jobs pretty quickly - never quite worked out how in many cases.. The executives are there for continuity. They get the strategy approved by their shareholders and then should be left to get on with it. The board's job is to then monitor progress against the agreed plan - not change the plan because they do not like the team's losing streak. I was a CEO for 2 different large companies, was an FDE and board member for several others, so I have an understanding of how these thing should operate - certainly outside of football. There is no reason why things should operate any different in football, but the vanity of the club owners often determines that it does. Like you say though, you are entitled to your opinion and that is why we have message boards and healthy debate. Hope this explains my view more clearly though.
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Post by bowranger on Apr 21, 2019 7:53:01 GMT
Rickyqpr, I’ll give you a clue as to why I blame the Director of Football. Have a quick look at the job title, Director of Football, yes that’s it Director (one who directs) of Football (and that’s what he is paid to direct). Must be about 5 years now and if he is not directing decisions such as managerial appointments (those that manage) then maybe he should ask for his role to be re named or just accept that he is failing, or simply not Directing the Football side of things. Roller, If Les was against Ollies appointment and then against sacking him, then I suggest that surely at some point he will take responsibility for at least something, Apart from Ramsey and JFH of course. However, I do respect all of your views and comments. Think Ricky has answered this really well. But even on a more simplistic level, responsibility and accountability cuts both ways. And there's an eagerness to discuss that only when it's negative and around a looser, non-contextual understanding of his remit. I think that's understandable to some extent because the first team aren't doing well and it breeds a desire for someone to front up somehow and shoulder the fact that it's not acceptable. Going through multiple seasons of lower mid table championship football isn't much fun and it can grate when people (from the club or otherwise) try and make out like it's fine - it brings to mind the old Clint Hill quote about how you can acknowledge things are bad without abandoning a desire for aiming high and maintaining standards. But that doesn't mean that there aren't good things happening and it doesn't mean that we need to find someone to pin it on and dig out without context. I dont think anyone thinks Ferdinand is faultless or incapable of failure or has any self-interest in him not being held responsible if something had gone poorly. But like others have said, it's 1) recognizing where he's been overruled/not made the final decision and 2) acknowledging the excruciatingly slow burn process the club is having to go through behind the scenes combined with Fernandes holding the final say on big first team management decisions until recently (which he readily admits). Or in other words, I think it's based on an assessment of his work in context - as far as I can see on here, people aren't doing mental gymnastics to defend his work for the sake of it. And on that, I think while it's important to hold people accountable if things go poorly under their direct watch, by the same token they should be recognized for where they are doing the right thing. As Roller goes into, the pathway to the first team has been utterly overhauled through a traumatic change in financial circumstances. That's the football culture of the club and the bread and butter work of a DoF. To use a different staff comparison, I think of scouting setups. At QPR, like anywhere else, they shortlist and recommend players to be signed. If the incumbent manager rejects those recommendations and goes with their own choices, sanctioned by the board and those signings are crap, does that mean the scouts are crap? Logically no - but you could easily point to their remit and job title and claim they should take responsibility, even if their choices were ignored. And like others have said, just cos we may disagree, I certainly respect where you're coming from and it's a good debate to have.
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Post by powerpump on Apr 21, 2019 10:48:26 GMT
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Post by stylecouncillor on Apr 21, 2019 13:57:00 GMT
Don't get the Pearson Link done nothing since Leicester of any note can see Appleton and Warburton as Valid choices though not really mine. Would prefer Warburton of the two if pushed to choose.
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Post by rickyqpr on Apr 22, 2019 7:46:47 GMT
Don't get the Pearson Link done nothing since Leicester of any note can see Appleton and Warburton as Valid choices though not really mine. Would prefer Warburton of the two if pushed to choose. Yes, we are being linked with anyone who is available. We also seem prepared to talk to anyone who applies. But throughout the whole search, Sherwood has remained the bookies firm favourite. Being kind, perhaps Hoos & Ferdinand are reassuring themselves that there is no one better who is available. Being cynical, they want to appoint him but are trying to show that he got the job through due process. We are told that Warburton has had a second interview. He left Brentford because he could not work to a Director of Finance. Well, he has either shifted ground through unemployment, or he believes now that he can work for someone like Ferdinand, because this new manager has to see Ferdinand as the direct boss. I would like to think though that the reason that we have not appointed an available manager is because if we wait until the end of the season we can approach employed managers and have a healthier choice. If we wait until the Summer recess and then appoint Sherwood then I think it raises questions as to why it took so long. Is Sherwood waiting until he knows for sure what division we will be in next season, what budget and retained players? If so, it will hardly endear him to a support base that has little love for him already. I am not suggesting that Bircham is the answer, but he will clearly accept the job from his love of the club. He may struggle in the role, but will at least start with some popularity.
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Post by rangersman on Apr 23, 2019 18:38:06 GMT
Leeds messing up yesterday made our loss bearable, also of course Rotherham losing. Appoint a manager in the Summer, it does not really matter now with few games to go.
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Post by rickyqpr on Apr 24, 2019 11:10:22 GMT
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Post by Ashdown_Ranger on Apr 24, 2019 11:16:58 GMT
Sherwood out of the running - HOOO-BLOODY-RAY!!!Standard suggesting he didn't like the prospect of working under our financial constraints... Not much good news recently at QPR, but this has cheered me up no end Seriously hope we don't get Pearson though - Carvalhal for me....
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Post by Marc on Apr 24, 2019 11:17:34 GMT
That'll please a lot of fans. Not sure who I'd prefer out of those 3 but not Person. Probably won't announce anyone until after the Wednesday game. Let's hope that, whoever it is, they can start prep for next season ASAP.
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Post by Marc on Apr 24, 2019 11:19:32 GMT
Sherwood out of the running - HOOO-BLOODY-RAY!!!Standard suggesting he didn't like the prospect of working under our financial constraints... Not much good news recently at QPR, but this has cheered me up no end Seriously hope we don't get Pearson though - Carvalhal for me.... We both posted at the same time. Yes, probably Carvalhal for me as well but won't be upset if it's Warburton.
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Post by rickyqpr on Apr 24, 2019 11:56:21 GMT
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Post by blatantfowl on Apr 24, 2019 15:20:07 GMT
Not Pearson. His strange behavior is too likely to take us back to the days of being a circus.
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Post by powerpump on Apr 26, 2019 0:02:11 GMT
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Post by sharky on Apr 26, 2019 1:42:59 GMT
From Dave Mac at WLS. Nothing decided apparently! www.westlondonsport.com/qpr/qprs-manager-search-as-it-standsQPR’s manager search: as it standsBy David McIntyre 25/04/2019 Almost a month after the sacking of Steve McClaren, QPR are yet to appoint a new manager. Four front-runners, identified prior to McClaren’s exit, have become three, but the situation is otherwise not much different to four weeks ago despite plenty of speculation over who will take the job. Here’s how things currently stand… Tim Sherwood is director of football Les Ferdinand’s first choice and has been in discussions about the long-terms plans for the club, whose current financial limitations have been well documented. Mark Warburton, Gary Rowett and Michael Appleton were also initially identified as the four stand-out candidates Rangers were interested in. Rowett is out of the running. Warburton and Appleton are very much in contention as it stands – they and Sherwood tick the box of having a background in coaching and developing players, which is QPR’s number one requirement. Marc Bircham desperately wants the job and has been interviewed. As a former youth coach and assistant manager at QPR he can point to the fact that no other candidate knows more about the young players Rangers’ hopes are pinned on. But his lack of managerial experience is one of the factors counting against him. Since the position became available, Darren Moore has expressed an interest and has spoken to the club. But his representatives believe the controversial nature of his recent sacking by West Brom means he could potentially land a more attractive job. Nigel Pearson and Steve Cotterill have also spoken to Rangers, while Billy Davies is another to have shown an interest. Former Sheffield Wednesday boss Carlos Carvalhal has been heavily linked but is eyeing other jobs. Out-of-work managers often like to keep their name ‘out there’. Former QPR winger Gareth Ainsworth was very much in the frame while McClaren was on thin ice at Rangers. Momentum behind him slowed, largely because his Wycombe side were on a terrible run. But keeping them in League One on a shoestring budget would definitely count in his favour should the R’s wait until the end of the season. So far though there has been no sign of an approach to Wycombe. Waiting could also lead to Kenny Jackett being an option if Portsmouth don’t go up. But he has a stable job at Pompey regardless of whether they win promotion, and compensation could be a stumbling block. Jackett has admirers at QPR, where he was previously assistant boss, and was overlooked for the manager’s job in favour of Jimmy Floyd Hasselbaink – a decision Rangers quickly regretted. Lee Bowyer, whose Charlton side are also in the League One promotion race, and whose contract is due to expire at the end of the season, would be keen if QPR made an approach. But there has been no firm interest in him so far. Ferdinand likes Derek McInnes, the Aberdeen manager, and was keen on him before Rangers’ owners appointed McClaren. Again, however, compensation would be a stumbling block. Meanwhile, the CVs of a number of foreign coaches have been submitted – as they are for most Premier League and Championship jobs. None of them are under serious consideration at this stage.
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Post by harr on Apr 26, 2019 6:09:35 GMT
Possibly waiting to see what happens at Portsmouth (Jackett ) Charlton (Bowyer ) Portsmouth could get an auto spot but they have a huge game away at Sunderland in 4 th spot tomorrow. Ferdinand did say they are nearly upto double figures in the candidate number.
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Post by rickyqpr on Apr 26, 2019 10:36:22 GMT
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Post by rickyqpr on Apr 26, 2019 11:49:12 GMT
QPR NEW MANAGER UPDATE
QPR are expected to delay the appointment of a new manager until the end of the season, Sky Sports News understands.
Former Tottenham and Aston Villa manager Tim Sherwood was a leading contender, but wanted a longer contract than QPR were prepared to offer.
The Rs have two games left and are set to leave caretaker John Eustace, who has won one of his five games so far, in charge.
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Post by tightattheback on Apr 26, 2019 18:01:47 GMT
Very interesting looking at the betting. Darren Moore now 4/6 favourite with Sky Bet.
I suppose he ticks all the boxes that Les and Hoos are insisting on. ‘A proven track record of bringing youngsters through, and working within a constrained budget’.
Really!
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Post by harr on Apr 26, 2019 18:21:19 GMT
We will probably screw it up whoever we employ 🙄
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Post by Roller on Apr 26, 2019 19:21:54 GMT
Very interesting looking at the betting. Darren Moore now 4/6 favourite with Sky Bet. I suppose he ticks all the boxes that Les and Hoos are insisting on. ‘A proven track record of bringing youngsters through, and working within a constrained budget’. Really! It's as if Sky Sports News reveal "insider" information just to manipulate the betting markets!
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Post by bowranger on Apr 27, 2019 10:58:22 GMT
Very interesting looking at the betting. Darren Moore now 4/6 favourite with Sky Bet. I suppose he ticks all the boxes that Les and Hoos are insisting on. ‘A proven track record of bringing youngsters through, and working within a constrained budget’. Really! Which ticks are we being cynical about? He'd been running the West Brom youth setup for 7 years bringing players through the ranks there since 2012. Same year Tim Sherwood, who was previously leading the odds, became Technical Director at Spurs (though he was promoted and then sacked only 2 years later). I think he'll probably be getting better offers after getting sacked with West Brom in the play offs to be honest.
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