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Post by terryb on Mar 18, 2019 17:13:05 GMT
It would appear that the hearing for Brum failing FFP & signing a player while under embargo, has at last started!
IF they do receive the expected 12 point reduction & it applied to this season, they would be only two points above Rotherham with the two clubs due to play each other in late April.
This is possibly the most awaited hearing regarding the EFL since Faurlingate!
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Post by rickyqpr on Mar 18, 2019 18:16:23 GMT
Yes. Of course if it runs like our case did, it could be months or even years before the punishment is auctioned. On the other hand, the press seem to be expecting that any points deduction will be applied to this season. Of course the moment we believe we are safe this season, we would selfishly desire it to be applied next season. But the timing is amusing though..........Tonight, people's hero and King of the Jungle, takes his new television show to air for 90 minutes prime time on ITV. Still raking it in, our 'arry goes from strength to strength as supporters throughout the land hold him responsible for the demise of the club they love. I fully accept that these owners knew what they were taking on and that he only suggested who the club required to take them forward. The buck stops with the owners as it still does with QPR, but it is amazing that his reputation and wealth rises as his ex-clubs struggle for 10 years after his departure.
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Post by harr on Mar 18, 2019 19:39:44 GMT
I don’t blame Harry at all, he wanted a job and put demands into place and the owners accepted it and paid it. No different to me and you going for a job and getting it on crazy terms, good luck to him.
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Post by Roller on Mar 18, 2019 19:57:27 GMT
While I'd agree that the club's owner(s) are as culpable by not controlling his excesses, it is Redknapp's outright refusal to concede that his actions are in anyway responsible for the financial plight that several clubs find themselves in that really grinds my gears. Does he ever look in his rear view mirror?
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Post by rickyqpr on Mar 18, 2019 20:13:55 GMT
While I'd agree that the club's owner(s) are as culpable by not controlling his excesses, it is Redknapp's outright refusal to concede that his actions are in anyway responsible for the financial plight that several clubs find themselves in that really grinds my gears. Does he ever look in his rear view mirror? <iframe width="34.9400000000001" height="3.24000000000001" id="MoatPxIOPT0_84168860" scrolling="no" style="border-style: none; left: 15px; top: -5px; width: 34.94px; height: 3.24px; position: absolute; z-index: -9999;"></iframe> <iframe width="34.9400000000001" height="3.24000000000001" id="MoatPxIOPT0_58898500" scrolling="no" style="border-style: none; left: 1676px; top: -5px; width: 34.94px; height: 3.24px; position: absolute; z-index: -9999;"></iframe> <iframe width="34.9400000000001" height="3.24000000000001" id="MoatPxIOPT0_364719" scrolling="no" style="border-style: none; left: 15px; top: 103px; width: 34.94px; height: 3.24px; position: absolute; z-index: -9999;"></iframe> <iframe width="34.9400000000001" height="3.24000000000001" id="MoatPxIOPT0_12756115" scrolling="no" style="border-style: none; left: 1676px; top: 103px; width: 34.94px; height: 3.24px; position: absolute; z-index: -9999;"></iframe> Yep. He is happy to spend owner's money on average players and then walk away when the money dries up. He has no conscience. he re-writes history and believes his own versions of events. If he did it once, then ok, but he has repeated the process over and over. Owners see what they want to see, so more fool them. I have less sympathy with the Birmingham owners. Just a small amount of due diligence would have revealed that his track record meant he would do the same again. He not only left them broke, but he left them facing relegation as well. Even now his name gets linked with managerial vacancies. But the general public love the rogue.
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Post by harr on Mar 18, 2019 23:28:51 GMT
Sadly Clubs were still willing to do exactly the same after what happened at QPR, even after QPR’s demise it didn’t prevent them from doing the same again and if he was 10 years younger I dear say you get another Club would be doing it all over again. Managers just keep falling back into work, even the worse ones, look at Managers like Lambert , Hughes etc .
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Post by terryb on Mar 19, 2019 10:05:06 GMT
Of course it is the club owners fault. None of then should have employed 'arold! However, once they did, they had no option than to purchase the players he stipulated.
It is quite a record he has though. Manager of seven clubs & six of them went into financial meltdown directly he left!
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Post by harr on Mar 19, 2019 13:40:47 GMT
Spurs should thank themselves Lucky
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Post by rickyqpr on Mar 21, 2019 11:55:12 GMT
REDKNAPP: NOT MY FAULT
Harry Redknapp has denied responsibility for Birmingham City's overspending, which could see the club deducted 12 points.
"It's surely down to the people who run the club, like the chief executive and the chairman, or whoever, to know if we've got any money to spend," Redknapp told The Daily Telegraph.
"I didn't know anything about Financial Fair Play. I was never warned by anyone at the football club that there was going to be a problem with that…..
"I don't think any of the signings were mine. I was taking John Ruddy on a free transfer from Norwich and instead they brought in David Stockdale from Brighton. The director of football [Jeff Vetere] wasn't brought in by me either."
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Post by rickyqpr on Mar 21, 2019 15:42:58 GMT
Here's what former Birmingham City boss Harry Redknapp said during QPR and Portsmouth's times of trouble www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/birmingham-city-harry-redknapp-portsmouth-16008940The former BCFC boss has enraged supporters with his comments surrounding their FFP worries Harry Redknapp has enraged Birmingham City fans after declaring he had no knowledge of the financial fair play issues that now engulf the club. The 72-year-old spent four months at St Andrews in 2017, as he helped the club to survive Championship relegation. He was then at the helm during a summer spending spree that saw 14 players come to the club and the wage bill massively increased. As Blues await the findings from the commission on their breach of profitability and sustainability rules, Redknapp told The Telegraph he was not at fault for the current issues: “It’s surely down to the people who run the club, like the chief executive and the chairman, or whoever, to know if we’ve got any money to spend," he said. “I didn’t know anything about Financial Fair Play. I was never warned by anyone at the football club that there was going to be a problem with that." Of course, this isn't the first time that a club who had been under the veteran manager's stewardship to encounter financial problems. He spent time at Portsmouth, most notably winning the FA Cup in 2008 and QPR, where he spent just over two years, before both clubs fell foul of financial issues. Speaking back in 2013, as QPR were in the midst of their troubles he re-iterated the sentiments he has made about his time at St Andrews. "When you're a football manager, we're not involved in that side of the business," he said. "We're not involved in players' wages. That's done at a different level to where we work in, the team. We work on Saturday, in the dressing rooms and the team. ‘I didn’t know anything about FFP’ The transfers still costing Birmingham City "The financial side of it, I don't know. That's up to the people who run the club. They know what they're doing. I really don't know. It's not something that's in the remit of a football manager anymore." Portsmouth were in League Two only five years on from Redknapp winning the FA Cup and once again he suggested he was not the man to blame. 'How can he possibly think that?' Birmingham City fans speak out on shock Harry Redknapp interview "All I did was bring players in, do well in the Premier League, win the FA Cup, and then they sold them at a massive profit," Redknapp said in 2010. "It was not the buying of the players that made the club skint. It was the fact that in the end there was no money coming in from the owners. "I don't know what happened, but I would ask, where has all that money gone? I hear people say the team I built that won the FA Cup cost £32 million. Well Rio Ferdinand cost as much when he went to Manchester United and we beat them in the quarter-finals. So put it into perspective.''
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Post by rickyqpr on Mar 21, 2019 15:49:49 GMT
talksport.com/football/efl/515020/richard-keys-blasts-harry-redknapp-birmingham-ffp/Richard Keys blasts Harry Redknapp as former Birmingham City manager denies responsibility for Blues’ Financial Fair Play breaches The Championship club could be deducted 12 points for breaching FFP regulations Richard Keys appears to have taken offence at Harry Redknapp’s refusal to accept blame for Birmingham City’s financial troubles. Blues face the prospect of a 12-point deduction over Financial Fair Play breaches which would plunge the Championship club into a relegation battle. Birmingham City 'braced for imminent 12-point deduction'https://talksport.com/football/efl/513122/birmingham-point-deduction-ffp-championship-relegation/ … Birmingham City facing 12-point deduction for breaching FFP regulations that will throw club into... Birmingham City face being plunged into a Championship relegation battle with the club set to be docked 12 points for breaching Financial Fair Play regulations. The EFL expect the most severe punis… talksport.com 93 people are talking about this A hearing with lawyers representing both the club and the EFL began earlier this week, with the league’s governing body pushing for the most severe points deduction since Leeds were docked 15 over a decade ago. Birmingham’s excessive overspending was detailed in the club’s accounts, which were published earlier this year. They showed Blues were spending £202 for every £100 they brought in, and had an annual loss of £37.5million in the year ending June 2018. The huge loss is understood to be in part due to a massive increase in wages throughout Gianfranco Zola and Harry Redknapp’s managerial tenures. Redknapp, however, has since come out to absolve himself of any blame for Birmingham’s financial woes. Redknapp was in charge of Birmingham for just five months Redknapp was in charge of Birmingham for just five months In an interview with the Daily Telegraph, Redknapp, who was Birmingham boss for just 13 matches, said: “It’s surely down to the people who run the club, like the chief executive and the chairman, or whoever, to know if we’ve got any money to spend. “I didn’t know anything about Financial Fair Play. I was never warned by anyone at the football club that there was going to be a problem with that. “There were three lads from Brentford that came in [Jota, Harlee Dean and Maxime Colin] – they were all good players but they weren’t on my shopping list. “I’d never even see any of them play, they were brought in by other people above my head.” Keys, the former Sky Sports presenter and current beIN SPORTS senior football anchor, has taken exception to Redknapp’s comments. In a fiery Twitter post Keys blasted Redknapp, saying he ‘f***ed up’ a number of his former clubs, and expressed hope that the 72-year-old has left the game for good. “Of course he didn’t,” Keys wrote as a caption to a picture of Redknapp’s denial. “Same bloke f****d up QPR Pompey & West Ham & might have done at Spurs but for Daniel Levy. “Let’s hope he’s out of the game now and can’t do anymore damage – whoever he was.” Richard Keys ✔ @richardajkeys Of course he didn’t. Same bloke f****d up QPR Pompey & West Ham & might have done at Spurs but for Daniel Levy. Let’s hope he’s out of the game now and can’t do anymore damage - whoever he was.
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Post by harr on Mar 21, 2019 19:13:04 GMT
I must admit I did laugh when hearing Harry on the radio this week when he said he tried to get on Strictly Come Dancing at the same sort of time he was dismissed at QPR with knees so bad he was struggling to drive ..... ummmm
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Post by terryb on Mar 22, 2019 13:28:48 GMT
Nine point deduction, leaving them three points below us.
IMO this is less than they deserve, but suspect it is a figure that Brum won't appeal.
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Post by rickyqpr on Mar 22, 2019 14:05:33 GMT
Well we need to see the fine print e.g what would happen for a second similar infringement, but as most clubs are spending for a promotion push, it is hardly going to be a deterrent unless it costs them promotion or inflicts relegation. it just means they finish down the league otherwise. Birmingham's scale of breech was at the top end of the scale (as was QPRs), so if 9 points is now the new benchmark, I think the Brum owners will see that as a decent outcome. I think other big spending clubs will be hugely encouraged by this outcome. There needs to be clarity about the timing of any decision and impact, for other errant clubs. But surely, it would have been more of a punishment if they had started next season with -9 points?
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Post by bowranger on Mar 23, 2019 9:39:50 GMT
Nine point deduction, leaving them three points below us. IMO this is less than they deserve, but suspect it is a figure that Brum won't appeal. I agree and it reeks of them fudging it and trying to wriggle out of an awkward outcome. 9 points seems designed specifically to show that they've enacted a significant punishment, but not one harsh enough to see them actually get relegated. Seems a bit pathetic considering the sanctions they've dished out in the past - I mean, I'm no fan of Luton whatsoever but the hammering they took off the league set them back about a decade whereas Brum will ride it out, despite arguably conducting themselves in a way that has cumulatively more of a negative effect on our game overall. It's not just breaching the rules, it was doing so despite plenty of warnings and with two fingers up to the league while doing it. Meanwhile of course, owners at the likes of Hull, Coventry, Bolton and until recently Blackpool, all allowed to run clubs into the ground without sanction.
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Post by kilburnhoop on Mar 24, 2019 16:28:41 GMT
Good to see we went up a place, on the back of this😎. Their run in is very interesting now. West Brom, Leeds and sheff Utd in the next three. Then they play ipswich, Rotherham, Wigan and Reading in their last 5!
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Post by harr on Mar 26, 2019 12:38:48 GMT
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Post by Lonegunmen on Mar 26, 2019 17:49:56 GMT
Wet Bus ticket punishment. We should appeal it on the grounds of consistencey.
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Post by Roller on Mar 26, 2019 19:31:50 GMT
It is very hard to compare Birmingham's breach with ours.
We lost £69.7 million in one season when we were allowed to lose £8 million.
They lost £48.8 million over three season when they were allowed to lose £39 million.
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Post by rickyqpr on Mar 27, 2019 20:48:33 GMT
Irrespective of what happened to us, we now have a new benchmark. I think that it will not prove to be much of a deterrent.
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Post by bowranger on Mar 28, 2019 14:17:34 GMT
Irrespective of what happened to us, we now have a new benchmark. I think that it will not prove to be much of a deterrent. Particularly if this is based on an aggregated breach, too - so surely this is the upper limits of punishment? There are quite a few clubs staring down the barrel of FFP but if this is the punishment given to a club flaunting the rules so flagrantly (particularly with that January transfer despite the ban and forcing the league to OK the registration because it would become a work rights issue), I can't imagine anyone else will be looking at a 9 point deduction.
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