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Post by tightattheback on Aug 18, 2018 21:06:19 GMT
And rightly so. Ollie found laughing like a Hyena after being dismissed for doing what he was asked to do by the Loftus Road mafia. The Wally with the brolly arrives because he is so good with the youngsters. The first thing he says is that he has to bring in some experience! Laughing stock or what. Les, you were a great player, but D o F ??
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Post by bowranger on Aug 18, 2018 21:26:11 GMT
Be weird if he was laughing. One of Ollie's strengths is that he loves QPR and would run through brick walls for our club. Doubt he takes any joy in us being tanked, harsh as his sacking was.
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Post by harr on Aug 18, 2018 21:36:06 GMT
Be weird if he was laughing. One of Ollie's strengths is that he loves QPR and would run through brick walls for our club. Doubt he takes any joy in us being tanked, harsh as his sacking was. I would imagine Ollie would put his reply of the game exactly as Birchams reply on other thread . LF is taking a lot of stick tonight ? Is he responsible for coming up with players names like Sainsbury that was a pointless target, not sure. Les and the Club come up with targets and he tries to get them. If the Club are not giving him funds what can he do? Les does not select the team or get the players motivated for games.... I guess the longer Les is at the Club with certain areas not performing he will come under more and more pressure.. Apart from the capitulation today, what else have I learnt. I would love to have kept Smithies, TF said it was an area we had strength etc, but to be honest I am not rating our current keeper at all and would prefer Lumley or even the loan keeper from Fulham that I don’t know much about. Ingram is definitely scaring me. We need Rangel in the team asap, with Hall if fit.
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Post by bowranger on Aug 18, 2018 21:55:42 GMT
Be weird if he was laughing. One of Ollie's strengths is that he loves QPR and would run through brick walls for our club. Doubt he takes any joy in us being tanked, harsh as his sacking was. I would imagine Ollie would put his reply of the game exactly as Birchams reply on other thread . LF is taking a lot of stick tonight ? Is he responsible for coming up with players names like Sainsbury that was a pointless target, not sure. Les and the Club come up with targets and he tries to get them. If the Club are not giving him funds what can he do? Les does not select the team or get the players motivated for games.... I guess the longer Les is at the Club with certain areas not performing he will come under more and more pressure.. Apart from the capitulation today, what else have I learnt. I would love to have kept Smithies, TF said it was an area we had strength etc, but to be honest I am not rating our current keeper at all and would prefer Lumley or even the loan keeper from Fulham that I don’t know much about. Ingram is definitely scaring me. We need Rangel in the team asap, with Hall if fit. Same on Ollie, i'd imagine he'd be gutted about the result but would point out how this result highlights the scale of the job he had been doing last season. Dunno why I'm arguing cos the same statements will just come out anyway but: 1. Sainsbury wasn't a pointless target, we were in for him and then PSV made a better offer, that's football. I think this has been a pretty poor window for us, even with all the hard financial circumstances, but I don't see why Sainsbury was a pointless target. 2. Les doesn't come up with names, the scouting team and McClaren does. It's literally not what a Director of Football does. His job is the overall footballing policy, he doesn't identify targets beyond being a check/balance to make sure a transfer target fits into the club financial strategy. There's a lot of people at fault but don't know why people are obsessed with putting stuff at his door. He comes under "more and more pressure" because people wilfully misunderstand his job, are (rightly) pissed off by performances and want to tar someone off. I think it's McClaren at the heart of the particular failures today, personally. It's persisting with his 4-2-3-1 system with players currently incapable of playing it. Insisting on playing out from the back with Ingram who cannot kick properly and a pair of centre backs who aren't much good at distribution. Insisting on playing a 'one' up top in Smith when he has no back to goal game. Play to our strengths if the system isn't working and adapt. We were absolutely abysmal today but based on watching that performance, why would you think Angel would make it in anyway better? Kakay was nowhere near an issue that needing solving today, it was far more fundamental than that.
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Post by harr on Aug 18, 2018 22:14:23 GMT
I would imagine Ollie would put his reply of the game exactly as Birchams reply on other thread . LF is taking a lot of stick tonight ? Is he responsible for coming up with players names like Sainsbury that was a pointless target, not sure. Les and the Club come up with targets and he tries to get them. If the Club are not giving him funds what can he do? Les does not select the team or get the players motivated for games.... I guess the longer Les is at the Club with certain areas not performing he will come under more and more pressure.. Apart from the capitulation today, what else have I learnt. I would love to have kept Smithies, TF said it was an area we had strength etc, but to be honest I am not rating our current keeper at all and would prefer Lumley or even the loan keeper from Fulham that I don’t know much about. Ingram is definitely scaring me. We need Rangel in the team asap, with Hall if fit. Same on Ollie, i'd imagine he'd be gutted about the result but would point out how this result highlights the scale of the job he had been doing last season. Dunno why I'm arguing cos the same statements will just come out anyway but: 1. Sainsbury wasn't a pointless target, we were in for him and then PSV made a better offer, that's football. I think this has been a pretty poor window for us, even with all the hard financial circumstances, but I don't see why Sainsbury was a pointless target. 2. Les doesn't come up with names, the scouting team and McClaren does. It's literally not what a Director of Football does. His job is the overall footballing policy, he doesn't identify targets beyond being a check/balance to make sure a transfer target fits into the club financial strategy. There's a lot of people at fault but don't know why people are obsessed with putting stuff at his door. He comes under "more and more pressure" because people wilfully misunderstand his job, are (rightly) pissed off by performances and want to tar someone off. I think it's McClaren at the heart of the particular failures today, personally. It's persisting with his 4-2-3-1 system with players currently incapable of playing it. Insisting on playing out from the back with Ingram who cannot kick properly and a pair of centre backs who aren't much good at distribution. Insisting on playing a 'one' up top in Smith when he has no back to goal game. Play to our strengths if the system isn't working and adapt. We were absolutely abysmal today but based on watching that performance, why would you think Angel would make it in anyway better? Kakay was nowhere near an issue that needing solving today, it was far more fundamental than that. I would disagree with Sainsbury Bow, I am probably totally wrong but feel we was never going to get him. Probably, he led us on, with the intention of never ever joining us, which you could argue isn’t our fault but the players I suppose. If the remit is for LF is what you say, begs the question why so many are saying he is the root of the problem . We all know it goes much deeper than that. Im certainly not blaming Kakay here for the performance. Angel mainly in there for his experience though, at the minute we have lost leaders in defence and parted ways with a fair few experienced ones like Onouha, Perch. Angel may not be the answer but he might be the cool head of experience when others are failing ... Clint Hill used to make a difference.
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Post by rickyqpr on Aug 18, 2018 22:21:23 GMT
Not sure where this thread is coming from because 'Olie was on Quest as the pundit. he looked on the point of tears. He was hurting not laughing. When asked what he would do he said that his skipper from last year is still out of work and that he would be on the phone to him. He confirmed though that he had told all the released players that they just could not afford their wages and that they had to be released. I agree that the current manager has a lot to answer for. He said in the interview that he never saw this thumping coming. However, our prediction thread did (although not 7) Anyone who has seen the team this season can see the trouble we are in trying to play the ball out from the back. Ingram's confidence looks shot because his distribution is so poor. But Lynch and BFG does not work. We also got caught in possession for nearly all the goals. I always try to look for the positives.....bit hard tonight........but looking at that WBA line-up, especially the front 3 and I did think before a ball was kicked that we could get a hiding. At half time I thought we were doing ok, but the worry has to be that capitulation. We did not even bother to run in to follow the penalties - WBA had 3 following up as we stood still. If Ingram had saved it, they would have put in the rebound. So what will the team look like on Tuesday?
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Post by rickyqpr on Aug 18, 2018 22:30:04 GMT
It is strange that for me the manager is getting it wrong but the DoF is taking the heat. Ollie was asked if McClaren was aware of the situation before he joined and Ollie said it would appear not. The Sainsbury debacle is a sad chapter and I think that the agent wanted QPR to buy him out of his contract. No-one else was prepared to buy him out and once he freed himself then he had options. My surprise is the lack of contingency plan. Even now, we hear little of any defensive loans on the horizon. Perhaps that is because every time we are linked with someone, we seem to get outbid. Perhaps Tim Ream at Fulham? Probably cannot afford him. But Manning leaving must be to free up an incoming. If we get to the 31st and we have not recruited, then questions can be asked, but not tonight 'just' because we lost 7-1 IMHO
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Post by harr on Aug 18, 2018 22:38:00 GMT
Not sure where this thread is coming from because 'Olie was on Quest as the pundit. he looked on the point of tears. He was hurting not laughing. When asked what he would do he said that his skipper from last year is still out of work and that he would be on the phone to him. He confirmed though that he had told all the released players that they just could not afford there wages and that they had to be released. I agree that the current manager has a lot to answer for. He said in the interview that he never saw this thumping coming. However, our prediction thread did (although not 7) Anyone who has seen the team this season can see the trouble we are in trying to play the ball out from the back. Ingram's confidence looks shot because his distribution is so poor. But Lynch and BFG does not work. We also got caught in possession for nearly all the goals. I always try to look for the positives.....bit hard tonight........but looking at that WBA line-up, especially the front 3 and I did think before a ball was kicked that we could get a hiding. At half time I thought we were doing ok, but the worry has to be that capitulation. We did not even bother to run in to follow the penalties - WBA had 3 following up as we stood still. If Ingram had saved it, they would have put in the rebound. So what will the team look like on Tuesday? Can’t see us going back to Ned. Seeing as we have bought a replacement for that spot and he is also Captain. One thing for sure defence looked schoolboyish today. I would start by dropping Ingram, lacks confidence at the minute, you need to have confidence there for a starting point. Bring in Lumley. Cousins looks poor. Wszolek should probably be starting, Is Hall Fit ?
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Post by maude on Aug 18, 2018 22:39:21 GMT
and to lose that badly , in that pink kit.
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Post by powerpump on Aug 19, 2018 0:03:18 GMT
I was going to start a thread with the phrase something like: "Ollie In, Wollie with Brollie Out", but of course that would then get the reaction something like "oh give him a chance, "10 games at least", not his fault" " lack of money",.... blah blah blah...
We have just suffered a great humiliation which is so bad it has been reported in numerous sports news headlines.
A laughing stock, and:
Rock bottom of what is in effect the 2nd tier of English football with precisely zero points; at this rate, we are fast-tracking to the 3rd tier and hence total obscurity.
As observed above at least Ian Holloway is a QPR man through and through who is prepared and does sweat blood for our club.
If a patient is in critical condition, a good doctor does not wait until its' too late, but takes emergency action.
Like it or not the system operates on the basis that regardless of fault the manager takes the blame.
And in any event, it was the totally wrong appointment and anyone with any sense can see that...
So give the loser his umbrella now before its' too late!
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Post by harr on Aug 19, 2018 0:14:14 GMT
With Bristol and Wigan at home we might do the unthinkable and pick up say four points ...
Four points from our first five games wouldn’t be great but still gives us a platform to build on.
I’m expecting a huge response from Yesterdays Drivel on Tuesday.
The trouble is the owners have made the squad weaker and weaker year on year, Charlie Left, Chery left, Smithies, then a host of other defenders.
We have to win one of our next two home games and show some b-lls.
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Post by Macmoish on Aug 19, 2018 8:07:02 GMT
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Post by spencer on Aug 19, 2018 8:59:17 GMT
So - as a poster has mentioned.Should Les be taking the flack as he is DOF ? Good article here, albeit the mail online about DOF at Manchester www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-6058889/Man-Utd-Director-Football-role-whos-frame.htmlSteve McClaren is widely reported to being a "coach" as opposed to a manager. Now....Totally apart from above....I coach our local Under 9s at Folkestone Colts. I train them Monday nights with the manager..who also helps training them. But he manages the team and is on paper as being the manager. So..he actually does both. I assume that gone are the days when a manager did everything ..Manages..trains..coaches...signs players etc. Now...a coach/manager will come in and as article has suggested, wants to bring in players that he has worked with. The DOF, will sort down and say...sorry..too much money. So the new manager will then say ....ok how about . The DOF will say..sorry to expensive. By that time,and like McClaren... is now finding....nothing really left to work with. Goalkeeper and captain have both gone ..bench warming and he is unable to attract/identify players he wants/needs to to restraints on the club. But he must have know that when joining. What makes me laugh.... is that he has been brought in to bring along the youngster we have...and the one thing he has now identified to the board....is that we need experience !! Some one some where.....has had their pants pulled down. Just my opinion....Ollie did not want to leave but couldn't work with these new restraints and the management could see that. Now one wanted the job....McClaren needed work.
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Post by harr on Aug 19, 2018 9:12:20 GMT
I Think Ollie still wanted the job Spencer, he would have kept it even if we had restraints I feel. They wanted to try something different with Steve Mc.
All a bit of a shambles, our transfer activity has been appalling, blame it on FFP blame it on what you want but it’s coming back to bite us on the bum.
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Post by rickyqpr on Aug 19, 2018 9:14:29 GMT
Good post spencer and interesting article (even though it is from the Mail!). I agree with the content of the article. Dof is supposed to provide the continuity that the coach or manager will never be able to provide. When appointing a new manager, that strategy and philosophy should always be made clear. McClaren surely understood the brief - he seemed clued up on QPR as a pundit. Maybe the goal has shifted because we did not get in the income we expected for outgoing players, but supporters were aware of the limitations. I also share your 'laugh' about his youngster comment yesterday. We do need additions, but yesterday was a particularly bad day at the office for our 'coach'.
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Post by harr on Aug 19, 2018 9:45:45 GMT
Sunday Supplement all agreeing Steve McClaren a good number 2 and coach but NOT a Manager. Reminds me of Stewart Houston..... remember some of his signings for Rangers
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Post by marshbowles10 on Aug 19, 2018 11:52:35 GMT
It is tough as we do not know what goes on behind the scenes.
A few points;
I personally thought Olly was OK but the problem with the set up was that he and Bircham were too similar. I'd have kindly asked Mark to step aside and given Olly a 'proper' number 2.
Any new system takes time to bed in and understand. Our pre-season didn't highlight any issues that begs the question of the role of pre-season and the type of teams we play. Are they to build confidence so we start the season really believing in ourselves or is it better to play a better class of side, get mugged 7-1 in a pointless friendly and make changes and learn before the big day starts?
If we are playing a system we haven't got the players to deliver it then it is a bad system for us. We have to play to our strengths and not expose our weaknesses and if passing out from the back is a weakness, lets not do it eh?
Accept the whilst we craved for youngsters in the team that they will struggle under a pressure they have never experienced before. You can put a youngster into a team too early, expect too much and it backfires and they freeze. This can have a negative effect on player development. Alas I can remember when we hoped a very young Peter Crouch was going to solve our goalscoring issues and be our salvation at the tender age of 17.
Considering pulling Ryan Manning back from Rotherham unless it is a deal that cannot be broken. We need fighters in this side.
Question the ability of the smily Les Ferdinand and his strategic ability. Alas he appears to be just too nice. We need an intelligent director of football and for me, whilst I loved his goalscoring exploits he doesn't have the intelligence or savvy necessary to carry off what is a vital role (well QPR tell us its vital) within the club.
Check out if we have just made it too chummy with ex-players such as Penrice, Impey etc. Has it been too much of 'jobs for the boys' or a PR spin?
Forget the training ground and the new stadia because that needs a team and unless we get our act together whilst everyone around us improves then we can forget it. Brentford will be bigger than us next season, run by a QPR supporter in a much better fashion (what an opportunity missed by TF when he employed tossers like Beard). 'West London is R's' is a sad distant memory.
Get rid if the pink kit, its bloody embarrassing.
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Post by wrenboy61 on Aug 19, 2018 12:27:06 GMT
We all know that the players we have at QPR apart from a few exceptions that have potential to be better are of a very average quality. I can see that when I sit in my seat in The Ellerslie on match days and I'm sure you who attend games can see the same. So why does a Coach/Manager and all the coaching staff who see these players day in day out decide to play a style (although nice on the eye when it comes off)that the players don't have the ability to perform?
It's the job of the coaching staff to get the best out of the players and that's what Ollie did. He knew what he had and didn't ask them to do more than their ability allowed. Some will say "he's only had three games" and "give the guy time" but unless we have a change of style and tactics from McClaren immediately we are going to be in serious trouble and McClaren will be gone by the end of September if not sooner. Leaving us with yet more payments to another group of coaching staff!
I will be there on Tuesday but doubt very few will, and I do understand fans not attending as it's not cheap for the quality and the frustration you have to suffer but we who attend games really need to get behind these players because they're really going to need as much help as they can get! The reality of us possibly being relegated would see us spiral out of control and I would truly fear for us as a football club!
COME ON YOU R'ssss
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Post by bowranger on Aug 19, 2018 22:51:06 GMT
We all know that the players we have at QPR apart from a few exceptions that have potential to be better are of a very average quality. I can see that when I sit in my seat in The Ellerslie on match days and I'm sure you who attend games can see the same. So why does a Coach/Manager and all the coaching staff who see these players day in day out decide to play a style (although nice on the eye when it comes off)that the players don't have the ability to perform? It's the job of the coaching staff to get the best out of the players and that's what Ollie did. He knew what he had and didn't ask them to do more than their ability allowed. Some will say "he's only had three games" and "give the guy time" but unless we have a change of style and tactics from McClaren immediately we are going to be in serious trouble and McClaren will be gone by the end of September if not sooner. Leaving us with yet more payments to another group of coaching staff! I will be there on Tuesday but doubt very few will, and I do understand fans not attending as it's not cheap for the quality and the frustration you have to suffer but we who attend games really need to get behind these players because they're really going to need as much help as they can get! The reality of us possibly being relegated would see us spiral out of control and I would truly fear for us as a football club! COME ON YOU R'ssss Agree with an awful lot of that. I would gladly be proved wrong but so far, this really does feel like a situation of McClaren having his preferred formation and style but does not have the players to execute it. The key is to adapt, even if it's temporary, so that losing doesn't become a habit. There's a big ol' grey area tactically for us to work within. There isn't some binary decision with 4-2-3-1 as one option and Pulis-style lumping it to a big man as the other. If playing it out from the back with a keeper who is fairly poor at distribution isn't working, bin the strategy til he and the CBs can do it. Ditto relying on a system that lives or dies on a striker with a good back-to-goal game. We don't have one, so stop it until we get one who does and/or they're drilled in it. By all means have these things as aspirations but adapt to the strengths we've got. Bottom line for me is that we don't need to chuck the formation in the bin but it does need to be bloody simplified and adapted right now. Loan window is still open and if we can afford personnel who can play McClaren's way then wonderful, but that frankly may not happen. And if not, we better have a tactical Plan B and McClaren needs to earn his corn and adapt to show us that. I'm not going to write him off this early but he can't just look at the start of the season and say it's just a matter of "lack of experience" and not a tactical issue. For all the mitigation, and there's plenty, I think it is largely tactical and I'd far rather see 'sacrifices' to this footballing system in the short term. What you say about the attitude required now within the stadium is so, so important. This is still a young side that's transitioning and they need us on side more than ever. The last thing we need is a toxic atmosphere at HQ (or online) while we figure out how to get some points on the board. They'll be hurting too. We need them to do well and they need us to back them. You Rs.
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Post by rickyqpr on Aug 20, 2018 7:36:44 GMT
Agree with what has been said - and after games like Saturday you either bounce back or you drop deeper. We will soon know which one it is. We will know if McClaren realises what needs to happen, or wether or not he hasn't got a clue. For me, the worry in the tweets is that there is no agreement on who we can afford to bring in.. The suggestion being that the manager wants who we cannot afford (like most managers). That would add up as to why the players are not coming through the door when it is suggested we have a budget. Rumours that Routledge is joining QPR and Smythe going out on loan will cause more upset. Another point relates to Hall..... McClaren said he would be back for Peterborough. Then he said it 'was not the right game for him'. Baptiste (who looked as poor as Lynch) is ahead of Hall for the subs spot. So what is the situation with Hall? We must not 'rush him back' but at the same time where the hell is he?
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Post by Lonegunmen on Aug 20, 2018 18:06:16 GMT
We wear the Pink and we play stink.
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Post by maude on Aug 23, 2018 22:10:01 GMT
Look on the bright side. At least we ain’t got flav and Bernie running our club.
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