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Post by harr on Aug 7, 2018 19:13:20 GMT
The Board made many huge mistakes for sure. You would like to think things are a bit better now, can’t help feeling this Transfer window is all a bit rushed for us. Most people already have there squads just about done. I can go back years and I can’t remember a single season of late where we have done most of our business early. On the other hand maybe we were just going to do mainly loans all the way along and we couldn’t do much earlier until FFP was out in the open. Other teams we want to get the loans from might be holding out to see if they can sell the players Thursday first, like say Martin. It is what it is. Like Bow says good to have all these Kids coming through. Some of the crap we bought in those Prem years still makes me sick to the bone now....... We destroyed ourself.Similar to what Macmoish said earlier, it's that element which does really, really grate. We can debate forever the intangible things about how we'd have got on if we stayed up and spent wisely, how it may have ended up boring with us treading water with the other 10 teams grinding out just enough to survive and getting rinsed by the big boys to earn another year feasting at the Premier League TV money trough etc. etc. But what's fundamental is that we had not just one, but two golden chances to establish ourselves at a higher level. Absurd amounts of money we could have invested in youth, in facilities, in infrastructure and we not only pissed it away, but wasted it to such an extent that we've been financially decimated and duly punished for our troubles. Almost every part of it so, so avoidable. It's debatable whether we'll see even a sliver of a chance at an opportunity like that again in a decade. We have to move on now Bow and just hope that IF we ever did get there again, they would not act like a load of fools again and do it the correct way. I think they have learnt some lessons, they were expensive ones. If we can finish mid table this year fantastic, would take 21st at this minute in time.
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Post by harr on Aug 7, 2018 22:15:47 GMT
Meanwhile, Birmingham straight out of an embargo, get a Striker... Come on Les Everyone strengthening bar us
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Post by harr on Aug 7, 2018 22:20:25 GMT
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Post by harr on Aug 8, 2018 6:26:10 GMT
And and another one bites the dust ....... tick tock
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2018 8:10:19 GMT
I tell you what really pisses me off. It's not the fact that we are where we are per se. It's the fact that idiotic decisions by the Board have largely contributed to taking us to where we are. And that we had three "Bites of the Apple" re the Premier League So that's what pisses me Truly and utterly this. Lets add a different perspective to this. I and think a few others on here first watched QPR when we were in the old Third Division South many years ago. Since then I have seen the team struggle in every division they have played in. I have seen the team do well in every division they have played in. I have seen us win promotions and seen us relegated. I have seen us win a cup final at Wembley and lose a couple at Wembley and I have seen us knocked out of cups at the first round and by non-league teams and suffer the heartbreak of semi-final defeat. I have seen us rely on brilliant youngsters and seen us rely on experienced old heads. I have seen us play some of the most attractive football I have ever seen and seen us play some total rubbish. So from a pure football sense where exactly are we now and why? All a matter of opinion and perspective but I for one would not have missed a minute of it through the good times and bad times andtherefore have no regrets.
Looking at QPR as a club/business I have seen owners who were really nice guys who did nothing really to take the club forward and some real b******ds who did the same. I have seen some take us into administration and walk away and others do their best and make whatever small investment they could to take us forward. So why are we where we are today?
It is not just down to the current Board or owners. Football has changed enormously over the last 60 years and in particular during the last 10 or 15 years with the PL and Sky TV money. The issue is that we as a club over a long period of time have not kept pace with the changes in the game largely through a lack of foresight and investment. When TF came along with a vision, he vainly tried to haul the club forward, trying to bridge the gap created by many years of poor management by previous owners. He attempted to bridge that gap by throwing a whole heap of money at the club without understanding the business and without having the foundations in place to make it last. As we know that did not work. So yes part of the reason for our current situation is down to that, but at least until now TF and the shareholders have stuck by what they started, have made good much of what they did wrong and are still there trying to sort things out.
It is all to easy to "blame" who ever is in charge at the moment. First of all should we need to "blame" anyone? We are a hopefully mid table club in one of the strongest leagues in Europe. Is that so bad? It is far better than I would have thought when I started supporting the club and far better than the vast majority of football clubs in the country. As a club maybe we are back where we started ( in my times) and have to rebuild again but guess what - that's life. We have done it before and can do it again but hopefully this time we will do it better and build for a long term future instead of short term glory. Maybe the glory will never return but I have been lucky enough to see it - and I do not just count recent attempts in the PL as glory but think of the years in the old First Division, ventures into Europe, being within a game of winning the First Division and many other instances buried away in memory.
So come what may I will continue to support the team and the club through thick and thin, without playing te hblame game when things go badly.
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Post by harr on Aug 8, 2018 8:27:41 GMT
I think everyone will carry on supporting the team 75, no question here. Huge mistakes were made but we have to move on now, like you say, most of us have seen worse days. I don’t go back that far but League One was an eye opener for me.
I do wonder what TF would do if we dropped another Division ? Would he walk away?
I think at the minute most fans are generally happy with the board, probably less so with our current transfer dealings. Every single window we leave it late. This year was probably an exception, like the Warnock Prem season but even so it grates on me why we struggle to getter players in.
I don’t know the answer and it’s easy to blame LF and say he needs to pull his finger out but maybe the wages we are offering now is just not attracting the level of player we are trying to get. Which begs the question are we setting our sights to high with the wage we are currently offering and spending weeks chasing dead ducks, that’s the impression from the outside.
Lots of the Clubs around our level are strengthening this week, which gives me concerns, specially as the Jan window will be a struggle. I remember how difficult it was for Forest to strengthen under an embargo with Free Players or selling one and buying one for a smaller amount. Sounds easy but it’s almost impossible to get players in as Forest found out a few years ago and my Forest supporting friend regularly told me.
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Post by harr on Aug 8, 2018 8:34:47 GMT
Since missing out on Jackson , talk of Tomer Hemed (Striker)nterest at Brighton Not sure if Brighton will let him go,played well in all there preseason games.
It seems Martin and Hugill has gone very quiet, maybe their Coubs want sale only and we can’t afford fee, just a loan?
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Post by bowranger on Aug 8, 2018 8:41:03 GMT
Similar to what Macmoish said earlier, it's that element which does really, really grate. We can debate forever the intangible things about how we'd have got on if we stayed up and spent wisely, how it may have ended up boring with us treading water with the other 10 teams grinding out just enough to survive and getting rinsed by the big boys to earn another year feasting at the Premier League TV money trough etc. etc. But what's fundamental is that we had not just one, but two golden chances to establish ourselves at a higher level. Absurd amounts of money we could have invested in youth, in facilities, in infrastructure and we not only pissed it away, but wasted it to such an extent that we've been financially decimated and duly punished for our troubles. Almost every part of it so, so avoidable. It's debatable whether we'll see even a sliver of a chance at an opportunity like that again in a decade. We have to move on now Bow and just hope that IF we ever did get there again, they would not act like a load of fools again and do it the correct way. I think they have learnt some lessons, they were expensive ones. If we can finish mid table this year fantastic, would take 21st at this minute in time. For sure, I do think a lot of lessons have been learnt and cans have been carried. I'm actually glad we've got the kind of philosophy we do now, just a shame we had to go through all that to get there. If the last 5 years didn't happen and Fernandes (or anyone else) arrived with Hoos and Ferdinand and laid out the sustainable model from the off, post-Briatore, I'd have likely been pretty happy haha. It certainly would have looked a lot different without the debt and FFP. People can point to that day at Wembley and it was indeed one of the happiest days I've ever had in football, but who's to say we couldn't have done a Burnley or Huddersfield and done it the 'right' way some time? Slowly clawing our sense of identity back, just having to plough through mediocrity to get there. I personally wouldn't take 21st right now - I think there are plenty of clubs in a far worse state in terms of their starting 11. Bogle or not, I think Birmingham will still be a mess, ditto Reading and I don't rate the promoted teams either so I'd have us lower midtable pretty safely even without a single other transfer in. If we nabbed another CB and (say it quietly) a striker who can fit into a 4-3-2-1 properly, I think we'll be midtable and do a bit better than last year.
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Post by harr on Aug 8, 2018 8:53:53 GMT
We have to move on now Bow and just hope that IF we ever did get there again, they would not act like a load of fools again and do it the correct way. I think they have learnt some lessons, they were expensive ones. If we can finish mid table this year fantastic, would take 21st at this minute in time. For sure, I do think a lot of lessons have been learnt and cans have been carried. I'm actually glad we've got the kind of philosophy we do now, just a shame we had to go through all that to get there. If the last 5 years didn't happen and Fernandes (or anyone else) arrived with Hoos and Ferdinand and laid out the sustainable model from the off, post-Briatore, I'd have likely been pretty happy haha. It certainly would have looked a lot different without the debt and FFP. People can point to that day at Wembley and it was indeed one of the happiest days I've ever had in football, but who's to say we couldn't have done a Burnley or Huddersfield and done it the 'right' way some time? Slowly clawing our sense of identity back, just having to plough through mediocrity to get there. I personally wouldn't take 21st right now - I think there are plenty of clubs in a far worse state in terms of their starting 11. Bogle or not, I think Birmingham will still be a mess, ditto Reading and I don't rate the promoted teams either so I'd have us lower midtable pretty safely even without a single other transfer in. If we nabbed another CB and (say it quietly) a striker who can fit into a 4-3-2-1 properly, I think we'll be midtable and do a bit better than last year. I think for sure we can compete with Rotherham, Reading, Birmingham , Sheff Weds , Bolton , Wigan , Blackburn. I was reading a Twitter discussion between a couple of USA supporters, they were comparing Fulham and QPR. One of the rightly said the QPR way so wrong in many aspects and I had to say yep, you have it pretty much spot on. Nearly every Club since we got promoted has done it better than way did.
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Post by bowranger on Aug 8, 2018 9:11:00 GMT
I think everyone will carry on supporting the team 75, no question here. Huge mistakes were made but we have to move on now, like you say, most of us have seen worse days. I don’t go back that far but League One was an eye opener for me. I do wonder what TF would do if we dropped another Division ? Would he walk away? I think at the minute most fans are generally happy with the board, probably less so with our current transfer dealings. Every single window we leave it late. This year was probably an exception, like the Warnock Prem season but even so it grates on me why we struggle to getter players in. I don’t know the answer and it’s easy to blame LF and say he needs to pull his finger out but maybe the wages we are offering now is just not attracting the level of player we are trying to get. Which begs the question are we setting our sights to high with the wage we are currently offering and spending weeks chasing dead ducks, that’s the impression from the outside. Lots of the Clubs around our level are strengthening this week, which gives me concerns, specially as the Jan window will be a struggle. I remember how difficult it was for Forest to strengthen under an embargo with Free Players or selling one and buying one for a smaller amount. Sounds easy but it’s almost impossible to get players in as Forest found out a few years ago and my Forest supporting friend regularly told me. I think part of the mitigation in this window, beyond the factors you've already mentioned, are the types of players/roles we're now trying to fill. When we were revamping the squad more generally with so much dead wood out the door, it was more about identifying obtainable talent for cheaper than what we had across the whole squad. We can take a punt on developing a Matt Ingram when Smithies is in place. We could see how a David Wheeler plays out when we've got Luongo, Freeman and Scowen. Now it's a lot more risky, expensive and competitive because not only are we looking for key positions (CB and striker) in a crazy marketplace, but also for people who have to slot in right away at this level and perform with our financial situation common knowledge. It's a hell of a difficult path to follow when it's players who are definitively for right now, not just for a year or two's time. I mean, on paper, Washington was a very good signing for a club like ours but he's certainly not worked out. If we'd gone in for a League One striker with his scoring record in this window, not only would they likely be unaffordable, but we'd think they were a very decent target. It's a bloody minefield. While I don't think they're exactly copying us, I would not be surprised if what you alluded to about PSV copying us was actually too far from the truth. We have a decent scouting system and a transfer philosophy that's quite attractive for others to follow - looking at young and/or underappreciated talent with low amounts of time on their contracts. If we dig up some gems and word gets out, a team who can offer better wages or prospects can then sweep in once we've done the groundwork if word gets out. As in, if we firm up interest in a player and that player's agent/the local press make that be known, it could end up triggering the likes of Ipswich or PSV or whoever to get involved, safe in the knowledge they can offer a bit more and gazzump us. Pure speculation on my part, but I wouldn't be surprised if other clubs were using our groundwork as a leg up.
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Post by bowranger on Aug 8, 2018 9:25:07 GMT
For sure, I do think a lot of lessons have been learnt and cans have been carried. I'm actually glad we've got the kind of philosophy we do now, just a shame we had to go through all that to get there. If the last 5 years didn't happen and Fernandes (or anyone else) arrived with Hoos and Ferdinand and laid out the sustainable model from the off, post-Briatore, I'd have likely been pretty happy haha. It certainly would have looked a lot different without the debt and FFP. People can point to that day at Wembley and it was indeed one of the happiest days I've ever had in football, but who's to say we couldn't have done a Burnley or Huddersfield and done it the 'right' way some time? Slowly clawing our sense of identity back, just having to plough through mediocrity to get there. I personally wouldn't take 21st right now - I think there are plenty of clubs in a far worse state in terms of their starting 11. Bogle or not, I think Birmingham will still be a mess, ditto Reading and I don't rate the promoted teams either so I'd have us lower midtable pretty safely even without a single other transfer in. If we nabbed another CB and (say it quietly) a striker who can fit into a 4-3-2-1 properly, I think we'll be midtable and do a bit better than last year. I think for sure we can compete with Rotherham, Reading, Birmingham , Sheff Weds , Bolton , Wigan , Blackburn. I was reading a Twitter discussion between a couple of USA supporters, they were comparing Fulham and QPR. One of the rightly said the QPR way so wrong in many aspects and I had to say yep, you have it pretty much spot on. Nearly every Club since we got promoted has done it better than way did. Yeah I think all of those teams are ones we can easily be competitive with. I think it's easy to do ourselves down as well - plenty of those teams, man for man, would take plenty of our starting 11 over their own. There's always people worse off, no matter how mediocre we think we are. For what it's worth (and this is with the caveat of us not adding anyone else - I think we will, at least on loan), I think there are currently 'packs' of teams in our division. I think Rotherham and Bolton are the weakest by quite a stretch and that Birmingham, Reading or perhaps even Hull if they continue down the dark path they're on, are likely to join them on a trip to League One come May. Then there's a group above them who will struggle/succeed to varying degrees below the sides pushing for the top half - us lot, Blackburn, Sheffield Wednesday and so on. Fundamentally with more than enough to stay up and consolidate but not challenge higher up the table either. Like I say, bit of luck, bit of momentum and a new face or two and that changes. With so many youngsters involved, it's very hard to predict. I mean, Fulham and QPR are quite disparate examples - financially for one. Can you imagine us having the funds to get the likes of Mitrovic on loan? But fundamentally in terms of how we've used our funds, it's night and day, I agree.
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Post by harr on Aug 8, 2018 9:47:06 GMT
I think for sure we can compete with Rotherham, Reading, Birmingham , Sheff Weds , Bolton , Wigan , Blackburn. I was reading a Twitter discussion between a couple of USA supporters, they were comparing Fulham and QPR. One of the rightly said the QPR way so wrong in many aspects and I had to say yep, you have it pretty much spot on. Nearly every Club since we got promoted has done it better than way did. Yeah I think all of those teams are ones we can easily be competitive with. I think it's easy to do ourselves down as well - plenty of those teams, man for man, would take plenty of our starting 11 over ours. There's always people worse off, no matter how mediocre we think we are. For what it's worth (and this is with the caveat of us not adding anyone else - I think we will, at least on loan), I think there are currently 'packs' of teams in our division. I think Rotherham and Bolton are the weakest by quite a stretch and that Birmingham, Reading or perhaps even Hull if they continue down the dark path they're on, are likely to join them on a trip to League One come May. Then there's a group above them who will struggle/succeed to varying degrees below the sides pushing for the top half - us lot, Blackburn, Sheffield Wednesday and so on. Fundamentally with more than enough to stay up and consolidate but not challenge higher up the table either. Like I say, bit of luck, bit of momentum and a new face or two and that changes. With so many youngsters involved, it's very hard to predict. I mean, Fulham and QPR are quite disparate examples - financially for one. Can you imagine us having the funds to get the likes of Mitrovic on loan? But fundamentally in terms of how we've used our funds, it's night and day, I agree. Great reply, oh I hope we can stay up, been a tough couple of seasons off the field.
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Post by bowranger on Aug 8, 2018 10:08:58 GMT
Yeah I think all of those teams are ones we can easily be competitive with. I think it's easy to do ourselves down as well - plenty of those teams, man for man, would take plenty of our starting 11 over ours. There's always people worse off, no matter how mediocre we think we are. For what it's worth (and this is with the caveat of us not adding anyone else - I think we will, at least on loan), I think there are currently 'packs' of teams in our division. I think Rotherham and Bolton are the weakest by quite a stretch and that Birmingham, Reading or perhaps even Hull if they continue down the dark path they're on, are likely to join them on a trip to League One come May. Then there's a group above them who will struggle/succeed to varying degrees below the sides pushing for the top half - us lot, Blackburn, Sheffield Wednesday and so on. Fundamentally with more than enough to stay up and consolidate but not challenge higher up the table either. Like I say, bit of luck, bit of momentum and a new face or two and that changes. With so many youngsters involved, it's very hard to predict. I mean, Fulham and QPR are quite disparate examples - financially for one. Can you imagine us having the funds to get the likes of Mitrovic on loan? But fundamentally in terms of how we've used our funds, it's night and day, I agree. Great reply, oh I hope we can stay up, been a tough couple of seasons off the field. Much obliged, likewise. Obviously I want us to stay up and I think we're well on course to do that relatively comfortably. I mean, we survived with plenty to spare last year too, much as the atmosphere after a poor game online tried to say otherwise. That's the difficulty for McClaren this season because his remit is subtly different. For all the reasons of Ollie being given the boot in terms of his outbursts, instability and so on (the Dave Mac article posted elsewhere is illuminating on this, behind the scenes), it's not like McClaren has been brought in to replicate consolidation. The argument is McClaren can take on the platform that Ollie created and make it better - that he's a better steward for this young squad's improvement and development. Not turn us into world beaters, but to develop this group of predominantly young players further and turn us from treading water into being a bit more competitive. So for everyone's sake, I hope it works out because the bar has been slightly raised this year and every argument about the positives of consolidation are always going to be very vocally challenged compared to Ollie's accomplishments.
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Post by rickyqpr on Aug 8, 2018 10:34:32 GMT
BORO WANT HUGILL Sky sources: Middlesbrough are in talks with West Ham over a loan move for Jordan Hugill. The Middlesbrough-born striker only signed for the Hammers for £9.5m in January.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2018 10:41:26 GMT
Lots of good posts and very valid points above and as most of us say its time to move on and look to the future with hope. On a slight change of subject I know there were many unhappy fans because of the fee we (reportedly) got for Smithies. Had to laugh when I saw Joe Hart went to Burnley for £3.5million. I am not a Hart fan and in many respects can compare Smithies favourably with Hart but on experience and reputation most would not put hem in eth same category.
Just to emphasis the crazy transfer market I used to browse the BBC transfer Gossip page every morning but drifted away from looking at it. Firstly because these days we are never mentioned but more because on the last day I looked the lowest rumoured transfer fee was £25 million and numbers as high as £100 million, and wage demands of £500k per week. That's FFP for you.
I think it partly explains why we cannot get in a couple of decent experienced players. Any proven Championship goalscorer is going to cost £10 million plus so we are confined to in house development, picking up an up an coming talent and pray it works or get someone at the end of their career for a season - which is probably also ruled out on salary grounds. I think even the loan market will be expensive for anyone with experience, either because of parent clubs demanding loan fees or player salaries too high unless they are subsidised. I do not envy the job of LF and co at the moment. It could be that we will have to break the wage structure for one player to get anyone in but I am not sure the club is open to that idea either.
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Post by Ashdown_Ranger on Aug 8, 2018 10:53:04 GMT
Agree 75 - though I think there is another big disincentive to joining QPR - the recent bad publicity surrounding the club's record FFP fine.
Whether that worry is real or simply perceived, I think it could very easily put off many potential permanent signings.
So we may have to rely on what we can pick up in the loan market and wait for next summer for major changes.
Let's hope by then we have Warren Farm under construction and a new stadium site decided on - both of those will have a very positive effect in attracting youth/development players and better signings.
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Post by harr on Aug 8, 2018 11:16:49 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2018 11:18:59 GMT
Agree 75 - though I think there is another big disincentive to joining QPR - the recent bad publicity surrounding the club's record FFP fine. Whether that worry is real or simply perceived, I think it could very easily put off many potential permanent signings. So we may have to rely on what we can pick up in the loan market and wait for next summer for major changes. Let's hope by then we have Warren Farm under construction and a new stadium site decided on - both of those will have a very positive effect in attracting youth/development players and better signings. Agree with that and it may not be just the fine so much as knowing there is going to be a transfer embargo and not much chance for us to add more talent except on a one out one in basis until this time next season.
Warren Farm has to be sorted by the end of 2018 I would think - surely not even the Supreme Court appeals can take that much longer now. A new stadium - as much as I am in favour of it as the only long term solution - to identify a site is difficult but to get the planning permission in London will be a nightmare and take years even if all the councils and authorities support the idea.
Looking back playing at White City was terrible - even for those with good sight - but if we had been able to do a swap deal with Loftus Road to stay there and redevelop it for football I think much of the debate on the last few pages of this thread would be completely different.
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Post by bowranger on Aug 8, 2018 11:18:59 GMT
Agree 75 - though I think there is another big disincentive to joining QPR - the recent bad publicity surrounding the club's record FFP fine. Whether that worry is real or simply perceived, I think it could very easily put off many potential permanent signings. So we may have to rely on what we can pick up in the loan market and wait for next summer for major changes. Let's hope by then we have Warren Farm under construction and a new stadium site decided on - both of those will have a very positive effect in attracting youth/development players and better signings. I was wondering about that too RE FFP but I feel like it's maybe less of a factor than it seems. Partly because it's coming down on quite a few clubs already in our league (arguably with worse consequences) and signings are still being made, whether we think those signings are any good or not. And partly because, without being too cynical, it's not really a player's concern once they're signed up. In the vast majority of cases, they're going to be at a club three years max and even if it all went catastrophically wrong financially at club level, they can jump ship or stay safe in the knowledge that their contracts will be honoured regardless. Wages, time on the pitch and potential for growth/being in the shop window is always going to win out. A player is almost always going to take £12k a week with Birmingham rather than 5k a week at Rotherham, even if the former is going to be walloped by FFP, if the first team chance is there. Edit: This made me think of Birmingham and Brentford's transfer business last season. Brum objectively worse on and off the pitch but still successfully snared three of the Bees' best players.
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Post by bowranger on Aug 8, 2018 11:27:05 GMT
Big ol' caveat on that top list though is that it's probably two or three times as long in reality. I mean, who knew we were going to sign Leistner? I think Hugill has always been a non-starter - amazed Boro would want to add more wood onto their over-inflated striker bonfire but there we go. Hefele would be boss but as per, I'd be concerned about the wage package. Would depend on just how much he values first team football.
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Post by harr on Aug 8, 2018 11:41:18 GMT
Big ol' caveat on that top list though is that it's probably two or three times as long in reality. I mean, who knew we were going to sign Leistner? I think Hugill has always been a non-starter - amazed Boro would want to add more wood onto their over-inflated striker bonfire but there we go. Hefele would be boss but as per, I'd be concerned about the wage package. Would depend on just how much he values first team football. Yeah sure the list would be longer Bow, these ones we have been actively targeting though hence the leaking of info and media reports. Pretty obvious also we are not getting our first choices here...... I can add the Striker from Brighton now as it seems he is another of our targets. SOME OF OUR CURRENT TARGETS SAINSBURY,CB>PSV GONE JACKSON, FORWARD>IPSWICH ?? MEDICAL IPSWICH OLA AINA, RIGHT BACK> PSV? MARTIN,FORWARD HUGILL, FORWARD> Now in talks BORO year Loan, option to buy. HEFELE, CB HEMED, FORWARD
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Post by bowranger on Aug 8, 2018 11:59:25 GMT
Big ol' caveat on that top list though is that it's probably two or three times as long in reality. I mean, who knew we were going to sign Leistner? I think Hugill has always been a non-starter - amazed Boro would want to add more wood onto their over-inflated striker bonfire but there we go. Hefele would be boss but as per, I'd be concerned about the wage package. Would depend on just how much he values first team football. Yeah sure the list would be longer Bow, these ones we have been actively targeting though hence the leaking of info and media reports. Pretty obvious also we are not getting our first choices here...... I can add the Striker from Brighton now as it seems he is another of our targets. SOME OF OUR CURRENT TARGETS SAINSBURY,CB>PSV GONE JACKSON, FORWARD>IPSWICH ?? MEDICAL IPSWICH OLA AINA, RIGHT BACK> PSV? MARTIN,FORWARD HUGILL, FORWARD> Now in talks BORO year Loan, option to buy. HEFELE, CB HEMED, FORWARD I'm nitpicking but press links don't equate to actively pursuing (though agree it's likely considering some of the names being put about being the kind of people you'd assume us to be in for). Leaks often match up to players who are being pursued by multiple clubs which can then equate to trying to start a feeding frenzy, either from the selling club to drive up value or the player's agent for the same reason. That doesn't take into account potential players who we are the only people in for and/or less leaky football clubs. People know we're after a CB and striker, fans are anxious, outlets know it and interest equates to clicks. I'm only saying that because on that basis it looks like these are only the people we're pursuing and we're therefore losing out on all of our targets, which while potentially true, is probably unlikely. We must be having dozens of conversations and making all sorts of enquiries. We do not know who our key targets are (Sainsbury is the only one we formally acknowledged), who's top of the list or what deals are being thrashed out behind the scenes.
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Post by harr on Aug 8, 2018 12:08:16 GMT
Yeah sure the list would be longer Bow, these ones we have been actively targeting though hence the leaking of info and media reports. Pretty obvious also we are not getting our first choices here...... I can add the Striker from Brighton now as it seems he is another of our targets. SOME OF OUR CURRENT TARGETS SAINSBURY,CB>PSV GONE JACKSON, FORWARD>IPSWICH ?? MEDICAL IPSWICH OLA AINA, RIGHT BACK> PSV? MARTIN,FORWARD HUGILL, FORWARD> Now in talks BORO year Loan, option to buy. HEFELE, CB HEMED, FORWARD I'm nitpicking but press links don't equate to actively pursuing (though agree it's likely considering some of the names being put about being the kind of people you'd assume us to be in for). Leaks often match up to players who are being pursued by multiple clubs which can then equate to trying to start a feeding frenzy, either from the selling club to drive up value or the player's agent for the same reason. That doesn't take into account potential players who we are the only people in for and/or less leaky football clubs. People know we're after a CB and striker, fans are anxious, outlets know it and interest equates to clicks. I'm only saying that because on that basis it looks like these are only the people we're pursuing and we're therefore losing out on all of our targets, which while potentially true, is probably unlikely. We must be having dozens of conversations and making all sorts of enquiries. We do not know who our key targets are (Sainsbury is the only one we formally acknowledged), who's top of the list or what deals are being thrashed out behind the scenes. No they don’t but you get the general feel that some of these are our targets and we have lost them. Players like Sainsbury and Jackson are obviously ones we have spent time on pursuing. None of us know what deals are being done for sure, maybe we set our targets a bit to high and they were always going to be out of reach. I get the impression from Sainsbury he was never going to join us, like Hugill.
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Post by jbol on Aug 8, 2018 12:09:24 GMT
Hart, Smithies £3.5m, Kepa Arrizabalaga (capped once) £71.6m. As Mrs T. said: "it's a funny old world".
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Post by sharky on Aug 8, 2018 12:54:34 GMT
From Football League World. More on the possibility of Tomer Hemed footballleagueworld.co.uk/queens-park-rangers-weighing-up-swoop-for-premier-league-striker/QUEENS PARK RANGERS WEIGHING UP SWOOP FOR PREMIER LEAGUE STRIKERPublished 52 mins ago on 08/08/2018 By Gary Hutchinson QPR are looking to secure a deal for Brighton striker Tomer Hemed, according to a report from the Argus. Steve McClaren’s side started the weekend with the same strikers they featured last season, Matt Smith beginning the game and Paul Smyth finishing it, with Idrissa Sylla waiting in the wings. However, McClaren is keen to add to his front line before the deadline tomorrow if he can, or at the very least before the loan window closes at the end of the month. Hemed is currently on the books of Premier League side Brighton and Hove Albion, a team he joined in 2015 from Almeria. Last season he made 16 top flight appearances, scoring twice. He’s played in some of the Seagulls’ pre-season matches, bagging three goals, but with Florin Andone, Glenn Murray and Jurgen Locadia ahead of him in the pecking order, a move away from the seaside town looks likely. The 31-year old has scored 16 times for his country in 32 outings, the most recent of which came against Romania in March. The VerdictQPR need something, they were woefully short of attacking prowess at the weekend against Preston and a new direction must be found if they’re going to stay out of the bottom three this season. Hemed scored 30 times in 73 Championship outings for Brighton and he understands the level well. He could be a canny acquisition if McClaren can pull it off.
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Post by sharky on Aug 8, 2018 12:58:49 GMT
From WLS www.westlondonsport.com/qpr/middlesbrough-move-for-qpr-and-leeds-united-targetMiddlesbrough enter race to sign HugillBy West London Sport 08/08/2018 Middlesbrough have made an approach for West Ham’s Jordan Hugill. It looks to be another blow to QPR’s already faint hopes of a loan deal for the striker – who is from Middlesbrough. Leeds have also shown an interest in Hugill, who was signed by West Ham from Preston in January. Reports have touted QPR as favourites to land Hugill, but Rangers have long believed their only hope of doing so is if he chooses to stay in London, having relocated following his move from Preston, and have also felt there is every chance West Ham will sell him rather than loan him out. The R’s were keen to sign him during his time at Deepdale and at one stage during the January window believed they were edging towards a deal to sign him for around £1.3m. Other clubs then made offers, sparking a bidding war which ended in him moving to West Ham for around £9m. Middlesbrough boss Tony Pulis is also keen on Luke Freeman but there has so far been no improved offer since QPR rejected a recent approach for the midfielder.
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Post by rangersman on Aug 8, 2018 13:11:08 GMT
They may as well weigh up a pound of sausages, by the time they decide they will be gone. Thank god its only press talk eh .............eh..........eh
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Post by Ashdown_Ranger on Aug 8, 2018 14:56:45 GMT
Agree 75 - though I think there is another big disincentive to joining QPR - the recent bad publicity surrounding the club's record FFP fine. Whether that worry is real or simply perceived, I think it could very easily put off many potential permanent signings. So we may have to rely on what we can pick up in the loan market and wait for next summer for major changes. Let's hope by then we have Warren Farm under construction and a new stadium site decided on - both of those will have a very positive effect in attracting youth/development players and better signings. I was wondering about that too RE FFP but I feel like it's maybe less of a factor than it seems... My feeling about the 'FFP Effect' is that new permanent signings will probably hold out some hope (however remote) that they may be in with a chance of promotion to the Prem. With our much-publicised massive fine, limited budget and transfer embargo, the prospect of the Prem is pushed further away.
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Post by harr on Aug 8, 2018 15:34:39 GMT
There goes another..... gawnnnnn
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Post by sharky on Aug 8, 2018 16:24:02 GMT
Geez. Are we ever going to land one?!
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