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Post by marshbowles10 on Mar 30, 2018 21:34:48 GMT
Having just got back from Reading I was surprised to see that I wasn't the only one to ask this question.......... Ian Holloway was asking this too.
This is worrying and unexpected since I assumed I supported a team that was professionally trained and included basic decisions like who were the penalty takers on a given day with a given team. If it is true that IH was surprised Bidwell took the penalty then he only has himself to blame and his planning for a game is sadly flawed. Had he scored naturally we wouldn't have known this fact.
Whilst the penalty wasn't missed because it was saved, it was a Sunday Park penalty, not hit particularly strongly, only just to the side and at a perfect saving height.
We can therefore only assume that it is whoever fancies it on the day and today no one fancied it much.
The game itself was huff and puff QPR and it was my first game for 8 weeks after an extended holiday which I think I need to go back on as they could have played all night and never scored. How did we score 3 against Villa and 2 against Fulham?
Washington is a player that makes lots of runs but always seems to be in the wrong place at the right time or the right place at the wrong time. Awful.
Smith the great big 'hit it to me in the air' centre forward can hardly get off the ground and seems to have trouble running. Terrible.
We should have murdered Reading who whilst they defended as if their lives depended on it (apart from their goal which was a good one), offered nothing.
I'm glad we have the points in the bag as from this performance I again cannot see where the next goal is coming from.
Ian Holloway, you are the manager, YOU decide who takes penalties.
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Post by harr on Mar 30, 2018 22:53:07 GMT
No idea but it was a poor one but you can’t blame Bidwell he should never be taking it. If we would have made more of the chances we had in the second half it wouldn’t have mattered.
If we got points from all these games where we dominate teams but end up not scoring then losing the match we would probably be top 10. That and being a charity for every team that’s on a bad run.
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Post by Lonegunmen on Mar 31, 2018 1:38:06 GMT
If Washington had taken it I would have feared for the safety of the fans at the back and top of the stand concerned.
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Post by kenthoop on Mar 31, 2018 5:56:22 GMT
i asked the same question and what a piss poor penalty it was ,Ollie was fuming after the match he said he was annoyed that none of the forwards on the pitch wanted to take it he pays monet for forwards to score goals and defendwrs to defend not take bloody penalties ,we should not have not come away with nothing ,another question i would like to ask is why did he make changes to the team ?i thought we would have gone with the same team against Fulham ?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2018 6:12:17 GMT
Bitterly disappointed at the team selection and the penalty taker. I agree we should have played with the same team we played against Fulham. These questions/decisions should land at the managers door to answer. I just hope our next game on Easter Monday is a bit different than what I witnessed on Good/Bad Friday.
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Post by Marc on Mar 31, 2018 8:07:29 GMT
If Washington had taken it I would have feared for the safety of the fans at the back and top of the stand concerned. IIRC, Washington has taken a couple of penalties (and scored them) and probably would've taken it if he'd still been on the pitch.
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Post by Macmoish on Mar 31, 2018 8:16:50 GMT
Not too classy! Daily Mail QPR boss Ian Holloway slams 'pathetic' custom of players putting ball out if opponent is down after his side win stoppage-time penalty at Reading Reading beat QPR 1-0 on Friday evening in the Championship at the Madjeski Sone Aluko scored a thunderbolt to give Paul Clement the perfect start QPR won a 93rd minute spot kick when Pawel Wsolek was brought down Penalty was given when Mo Barrow was down from a tackle at other end of turf Jake Bidwell eventually saw the penalty saved brilliantly by Vito Mannone By Matt Smith For Mailonline Published: 18:50 EDT, 30 March 2018 | Updated: 20:04 EDT, 30 March 2018 Ian Holloway blasted the 'pathetic' custom of players putting the ball out if an opponent seems hurt after QPR won a controversial late penalty at Reading. Rangers won a 93rd minute spot kick when Dave Edwards clumsily brought down Pawel Wsolek in the Royals area, while home forward Mo Barrow was down from a tackle at the other end of the pitch. The home crowd widely booed Holloway's team, but he hit back - and criticised referee David Coote - by saying it should be up the officials to decide whether to stop the game. Jake Bidwell saw the penalty saved brilliantly by Vito Mannone as Reading won 1-0 in Paul Clement's debut game in charge thanks to Sone Aluko's thunderbolt, their first win in 10 that puts them six points above the drop zone. Holloway said: 'If someone is injured on the pitch, the referee should determine whether it is real or fake, and blow the whistle. It's not our fault we got that penalty with the crowd going mad, let the referee make a decision. 'If you're officiating you have got to dominate that. If a player is hurt, the referee should take control, so should the fourth official, and the two linesmen. What are they doing otherwise? 'I can't scream "kick it out" to my lads, that's not my job to look after the welfare of their player. It should be the referee's job. 'Why doesn't the fourth official, if he is hurt, say so. And if people aren't hurt, why don't they get up. If you're staying down like that, you've got to be carried off on a stretcher. It would make the game a lot easier. Jake Bidwell saw his penalty brilliantly saved by Reading goalkeeper Vito Mannone on Friday +3 Jake Bidwell saw his penalty brilliantly saved by Reading goalkeeper Vito Mannone on Friday 'The away side getting booed by the crowd for trying to play, I think that is the referee's responsibility. There's enough of them. That's something I have got a bee in my bonnet about, it cannot be my responsibility, or the player on the ball, he might not see it. 'How pathetic is our game if our refs cannot make a decision on players' health and welfare in the middle of a game. I would hate to see a riot one day, and it might happen, if a player breaks through to score a goal to take them to the Premier League after an opponent is down injured. 'Take responsibility and do the right thing. I thought the referee had an awful game, not just for my team.' Clement also felt the referee should have stopped the game, which left his side outnumbered after sub Yann Kermorgant had earlier been sent off for two bookings. He said: 'I thought it was a foul on Barrow, and then he's down injured. I think the referee is guessing if he is hurt or not, he could have stopped the game to see if he is OK. Bear in mind we have had a man sent off so we are defending with nine, so they get that chance.' Paul Clement got off to the perfect start in his first game as manager of Reading +3 Paul Clement got off to the perfect start in his first game as manager of Reading Sone Aluko's stunning first half strike proved enough for Clement's Reading, the former Swansea boss having replaced the sacked Jaap Stam during the international break. Aluko picked the ball up on the right wing, jinked his way inside, and from the edge of the box launched a left-footed effort into the roof of the net. QPR then dominated the game, but missed several presentable chances, not least the penalty taken by left back Bidwell; the identity of the taker also angering Holloway. He said: 'They were hanging on for grim death, and to top it all off we missed the penalty. 'We had a forward who is shouting about taking a penalty more than the forwards. I pay my strikers to score goals and my defenders to defend. Stop being so nice, grab that ball.' www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-5563747/QPR-boss-Ian-Holloway-slams-pathetic-custom-players-putting-ball-opponent-down.html
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Post by rickyqpr on Mar 31, 2018 8:25:05 GMT
Several comments that we should have started with the same team who played at Fulham. Well he only made one change to the team that finished the game so strongly at Fulham. The 3 subs at Fulham earned a start. The only change was Scowen for Luongo (returning from international travel). Washington would have been the penalty taker - only our second of the season. Bidwell had the balls to take it. Holloway referred to a striker wanting to take it and who should have just claimed the ball - who was that? But we did not deserve to lose yesterday. We dominated but with shots wide of the target rather than working the keeper. Reading got lucky. This team is really coming together but we really lack a goal poacher in the Charlie Austin mold. I hope we can find someone from the lower divisions who can step up. I remain positive, but the disappointment can bring a disproportionate response. Hopefully we can pick it up again on Monday.
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Post by Macmoish on Mar 31, 2018 8:42:32 GMT
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Post by Marc on Mar 31, 2018 8:58:37 GMT
i asked the same question and what a piss poor penalty it was ,Ollie was fuming after the match he said he was annoyed that none of the forwards on the pitch wanted to take it he pays monet for forwards to score goals and defendwrs to defend not take bloody penalties ,we should not have not come away with nothing ,another question i would like to ask is why did he make changes to the team ?i thought we would have gone with the same team against Fulham ? I believe Bidwell (a left back) took penalties for Brentford. It's not unknown for defenders to take penalties, Stuart Pearce (also a left back) was pretty prolific from the spot. I've no doubt that Washington would have taken it had he been on the pitch, Smith would have needed it to have been crossed onto his head and we've no idea what Eze is like at penalties so let's not get hung up on who should or shouldn't have taken it. Yes, it was a poor penalty but I've seen just as bad from supposedly better takers.
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Post by Macmoish on Mar 31, 2018 9:08:12 GMT
Terry Fenwick in his QPR Days...
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Post by terryb on Mar 31, 2018 9:19:17 GMT
I'm a bit puzzled by IH's comments as I think that I had read that Bidwell was second in line as our penalty taker, after Washington.
If you need to remember a match where ALL the forwards & midfielders bottled taking a penalty think back to at home to Leeds in January 1969. Bobby Keetch eventually strolled forward to see his effort either saved or missed.
IF Rodney was scared to take one, don't be surprised that Freeman etc don't fancy it!
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Post by Markqpr on Mar 31, 2018 10:25:26 GMT
i asked the same question and what a piss poor penalty it was ,Ollie was fuming after the match he said he was annoyed that none of the forwards on the pitch wanted to take it he pays monet for forwards to score goals and defendwrs to defend not take bloody penalties ,we should not have not come away with nothing ,another question i would like to ask is why did he make changes to the team ?i thought we would have gone with the same team against Fulham ? I believe Bidwell (a left back) took penalties for Brentford. It's not unknown for defenders to take penalties, Stuart Pearce (also a left back) was pretty prolific from the spot. I've no doubt that Washington would have taken it had he been on the pitch, Smith would have needed it to have been crossed onto his head and we've no idea what Eze is like at penalties so let's not get hung up on who should or shouldn't have taken it. Yes, it was a poor penalty but I've seen just as bad from supposedly better takers. If we are giving examples of a left back taking penalties then surely it should be Willo rather than psycho? When Freeman picked up the ball, I was confident that we'd be driving back down the motorway happy with the draw and laughing at the Fakes predicament. When he gave it to Bidwell, I was incredulous. After the penalty I was incredulous and when I was getting into bed last night I was still incredulous. In fact I turned round to my wife and asked her the exact same question that is the title to this thread. The answer it turns out is that the rest of the squad bottled it, Bidwell didn't and for that I respect him. I don't respect him for the sh!t penalty, softly struck at a perfect height for the keeper to save, but at least he had the balls to step up. No one moaned about Bidwell taking penalties when he scored his previous one for us. And as for the Fakes player pretending to be injured to waste more time and kill the game off: if your going to take the piss all second half trying to slow the game down by faking injuries and kicking the ball way at every opportunity, tough sh!t when an obvious attempt at pretending to be hurt gets the reaction it deserves. Fu(k it, it's football, onto Monday and enjoy the weekend!
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Post by Marc on Mar 31, 2018 10:41:18 GMT
I believe Bidwell (a left back) took penalties for Brentford. It's not unknown for defenders to take penalties, Stuart Pearce (also a left back) was pretty prolific from the spot. I've no doubt that Washington would have taken it had he been on the pitch, Smith would have needed it to have been crossed onto his head and we've no idea what Eze is like at penalties so let's not get hung up on who should or shouldn't have taken it. Yes, it was a poor penalty but I've seen just as bad from supposedly better takers. If we are giving examples of a left back taking penalties then surely it should be Willo rather than psycho? Willo?
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Post by marshbowles10 on Mar 31, 2018 12:09:09 GMT
My point really was more about why is the manager not aware of who is going to take the penalty.
The best penalty taker may well be the left back but it must be a management decision.
Surely in training those that are likely to take them........ practice them....or is that expecting too much?
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Post by Marc on Mar 31, 2018 13:23:37 GMT
My point really was more about why is the manager not aware of who is going to take the penalty. The best penalty taker may well be the left back but it must be a management decision. Surely in training those that are likely to take them........ practice them....or is that expecting too much? Marc Bircham has just confirmed on Twitter that Washington is the designated taker. "Yes it was Conor but was off and Bidwell scored the second last pen we were given v Blackburn last season so he fancied it . Hope that explains that"
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Post by Marc on Mar 31, 2018 13:25:49 GMT
He's also explained the changes to the starting XI
"Well EZE has been ill most of the week so couldn't start and Matt couldn't of played 2 games in 3 days .Also Manning played 2 90 mins for Ire u21 getting back and only training yesterday like Mass after his 90mins Tues couldn't play Both.Hope that answers some fair Questions"
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Post by Markqpr on Mar 31, 2018 14:40:03 GMT
If we are giving examples of a left back taking penalties then surely it should be Willo rather than psycho? Willo? Clive Wilson. I've probably left a 'w' off the end there, though as it was a nickname I am unsure of it's official spelling. Congratulations on the name change as well Fabs. Excellent choice, though I must tell you your spelling it wrong..................
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Post by Markqpr on Mar 31, 2018 14:55:54 GMT
My point really was more about why is the manager not aware of who is going to take the penalty. The best penalty taker may well be the left back but it must be a management decision. Surely in training those that are likely to take them........ practice them....or is that expecting too much? According to Bidwell in previous interviews he practices them in training quite a bit, has been 2nd choice taker in the past and I think he was last night as well, as he stood on the spot immediately when the whistle went and Freeman handed him the ball without hesitation in what looked lime at the time in a predetermined manner. I think Ollie is all exasperation and typical Ollie bullsh!t in his interview afterwards and is probably questioning his own decision as much as anyone else's. It was just a weak penalty taken by a player who has taken one and scored it in the past and not an indicator of any underlying problem that we don't practise penalties in training or that Ollie is not fully aware of who should be taking penalties. It's a fair enough comment to make after Ollie's comments though, but this is all a bit of a storm in a teacup for me.
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Post by Marc on Mar 31, 2018 15:12:39 GMT
Clive Wilson. I've probably left a 'w' off the end there, though as it was a nickname I am unsure of it's official spelling. Ah, of course. A man I had the pleasure of meetingv whilst queuing for a sandwich in Bayswater. Tis the continental way. That's right isn't it? Finchley is continental?
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Post by bowranger on Apr 1, 2018 10:13:57 GMT
My point really was more about why is the manager not aware of who is going to take the penalty. The best penalty taker may well be the left back but it must be a management decision. Surely in training those that are likely to take them........ practice them....or is that expecting too much? According to Bidwell in previous interviews he practices them in training quite a bit, has been 2nd choice taker in the past and I think he was last night as well, as he stood on the spot immediately when the whistle went and Freeman handed him the ball without hesitation in what looked lime at the time in a predetermined manner. I think Ollie is all exasperation and typical Ollie bullsh!t in his interview afterwards and is probably questioning his own decision as much as anyone else's. It was just a weak penalty taken by a player who has taken one and scored it in the past and not an indicator of any underlying problem that we don't practise penalties in training or that Ollie is not fully aware of who should be taking penalties. It's a fair enough comment to make after Ollie's comments though, but this is all a bit of a storm in a teacup for me. Agree with this and was just coming on to say how as surprised as I was that Bidwell was the taker, he got the ball quickly and it looked pre-planned even if it wasn't. He's in a good vein of form, got his goal against Villa, played great against Fulham so confidence probably up. Poor penalty at a poor height in the end, really disappointing as a draw was the least we deserved. 27 shots says it all really. We started slow on a poor pitch, Reading score a worldie before retreating and offering nothing and we couldn't make the chances count. As Ricky rightly says, it shows how much we miss a poacher really. It's a shame that Sylla wasn't about as, while I don't necessarily think he's the 'answer', before his injury he had a good record of coming on and nicking goals late in games in the box and we certainly put the ball into the box a lot. The main positive from a negative day out was the manner of it all. Last season around this time of year, we had a good run, were just about safe in the division and then our form went in the absolute bin and the selections went weird. This performance didn't look like that. Agreeing with Ricky again (plus the answers Bircham provided online), that's not a very different side from the end of the Fulham game with people who earned their place. We weren't clinical enough but that's an ongoing problem - a half prolific striker on the pitch and bar the QPR curse of being charitable to teams with new managers we put that game to bed well before the end. I don't think it's a case of us being our normal selfs and rolling over for struggling teams because that hasn't been the case this season. Burton, Sunderland, Birmingham, Barnsley etc show that.
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Post by bowranger on Apr 1, 2018 10:30:02 GMT
Also, my usual away day ranting on...
This was a bloody annoying trip. I had a rotten cold. The Madjeski is in the middle of nowhere and is an absolute arse to get to if you aren't driving. Endless queuing in the freezing rain for shuttle buses.
I had to buy my ticket a day or so later than people I knew because of work and while it's normal to not request whereabouts you have your ticket in the away end, the lack of common sense on being able to move was annoying. My ticket was in the other side of the away end from other people I knew and the entrances to the stands are divided into two halves. I spoke to family members about two yards away across a small gap but wasn't allowed to join them, despite there being free seats next to them. A steward said I could move to them at half time but was blocked by a barrier and not allowed in. Meanwhile, any QPR fans approaching the barrier in the smoking area between the two halves of fans were met with a sea of stewards and cops wading in if people looked to be getting too excited (having a drink and singing with friends, say).
So I spent the whole game on my own in the end. I moved from my original seat because the guy next to me didn't sing, didn't clap anything we did, didn't say anything supportive but just spent the entire time complaining about how crap we are and how crap Washington was. Best moment was us scoring a disallowed goal from a short corner, as the guy complained about how we'd never create anything from a corner. Tellingly the guy saying "why are we crap on the only away game I go to this season?", considering we'd just come off the back of superb performances away at Fulham and Villa.?
Also thought the ref missed a really poor challenge on Furlong in the second half. Late, high, right in front of the linesman.
Don't like how he said it but I think Holloway is right RE the Reading injury in the lead up to the pen. Not our problem. It's not a head injury. The rules are there to avoid ambiguity on this - no one is obliged to kick the ball out and it is the referee's decision, as I understand it, to stop the game if it is a serious injury or a head injury. If it's not, which it wasn't, then there's nothing to complain about. I watched the Reading player on the ground and he went down then stayed down, looking up now and again to see how our attack was progressing. For what it's worth, I don't think Ollie even needed to comment on it but he can't seem to help himself.
Anyway. Rant rant rant. We go again Monday and hopefully it's a better result.
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Post by rickyqpr on Apr 1, 2018 10:33:35 GMT
I was not surprised that Bidwell took the pen as I recalled he had taken one before and scored. It seems to me that the coaching team were aware of who was due to take the penalty, but Holloway either did not know or had forgotten. Emotions run high and his comments about who should have taken it were just after we had thrown away an injury time point. But sadly, it is another example of Holloway starting a post match monologue without forethought, his comments doing more harm than good, potentially upsetting the player who was already felling pretty awful and then damaging his own credibility in the process. I have said before....I wish he wouldn't.
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Post by bowranger on Apr 1, 2018 10:43:16 GMT
I was not surprised that Bidwell took the pen as I recalled he had taken one before and scored. It seems to me that the coaching team were aware of who was due to take the penalty, but Holloway either did not know or had forgotten. Emotions run high and his comments about who should have taken it were just after we had thrown away an injury time point. But sadly, it is another example of Holloway starting a post match monologue without forethought, his comments doing more harm than good, potentially upsetting the player who was already felling pretty awful and then damaging his own credibility in the process. I have said before....I wish he wouldn't. Yeah. Like, I have some sympathy because he will get pilloried no matter what he says after a loss and he's human. He doesnt address the point and he gets slated for not justifying a key moment to the fans. But as you say, I just wish he wouldn't. Not a big deal in the scheme of things but I just wish he'd say it was disappointing and we move on without the long soliloquy he can't stop himself from trotting out.
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Post by Macmoish on Apr 1, 2018 11:52:16 GMT
If Holloway has instructed the players who must take the penalty (and who's the back up,if not on the field) If not, Holloway should shut up - and apologize to his players, esp Bidwell
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Post by harr on Apr 1, 2018 12:25:06 GMT
Also, my usual away day ranting on... This was a bloody annoying trip. I had a rotten cold. The Madjeski is in the middle of nowhere and is an absolute arse to get to if you aren't driving. Endless queuing in the freezing rain for shuttle buses. I had to buy my ticket a day or so later than people I knew because of work and while it's normal to not request whereabouts you have your ticket in the away end, the lack of common sense on being able to move was annoying. My ticket was in the other side of the away end from other people I knew and the entrances to the stands are divided into two halves. I spoke to family members about two yards away across a small gap but wasn't allowed to join them, despite there being free seats next to them. A steward said I could move to them at half time but was blocked by a barrier and not allowed in. Meanwhile, any QPR fans approaching the barrier in the smoking area between the two halves of fans were met with a sea of stewards and cops wading in if people looked to be getting too excited (having a drink and singing with friends, say). So I spent the whole game on my own in the end. I moved from my original seat because the guy next to me didn't sing, didn't clap anything we did, didn't say anything supportive but just spent the entire time complaining about how crap we are and how crap Washington was. Best moment was us scoring a disallowed goal from a short corner, as the guy complained about how we'd never create anything from a corner. Tellingly the guy saying "why are we crap on the only away game I go to this season?", considering we'd just come off the back of superb performances away at Fulham and Villa.? Also thought the ref missed a really poor challenge on Furlong in the second half. Late, high, right in front of the linesman. Don't like how he said it but I think Holloway is right RE the Reading injury in the lead up to the pen. Not our problem. It's not a head injury. The rules are there to avoid ambiguity on this - no one is obliged to kick the ball out and it is the referee's decision, as I understand it, to stop the game if it is a serious injury or a head injury. If it's not, which it wasn't, then there's nothing to complain about. I watched the Reading player on the ground and he went down then stayed down, looking up now and again to see how our attack was progressing. For what it's worth, I don't think Ollie even needed to comment on it but he can't seem to help himself. Anyway. Rant rant rant. We go again Monday and hopefully it's a better result. How did Washington look ?
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Post by bowranger on Apr 1, 2018 14:42:45 GMT
Looked like he often does really. Ran hard, stretched defenders, got in good positions but had a poor touch and when he had a chance, a poor finish sadly.
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Post by harr on Apr 1, 2018 19:13:53 GMT
Looked like he often does really. Ran hard, stretched defenders, got in good positions but had a poor touch and when he had a chance, a poor finish sadly. Thanks bow
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