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Post by bowranger on Feb 24, 2018 18:34:40 GMT
Also a note to the old bloke in S block screaming at Smyth to f**k off after he came to clap the supporters who stayed to the end. How's that fair in any way whatsoever?
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Post by rickyqpr on Feb 24, 2018 19:04:42 GMT
That was a very odd game. Perhaps we had it coming. We have won the important games often by the slender of margins. Every time we think we can beat Forest we put in a poor performance. Walked home with a Forest supporter who said that they have been awful all season apart from when they play us and Wolves. They were as bemused as we were and asked were Forest good or were QPR bad? But Forest were clinical today. We were pretty poor. The first goal came from a great ball from a swiftly taken free kick (looked like a dive) and we were asleep. Then in our usual post half time nap, we managed to lose another 2 goals in 6 minutes. The first was a lob over Smithies from a long way out. The third came with Lynch on the floor injured leaving a man spare for a free shot. Smithies pushed the ball out straight to a Forest player and then from a throw on we were asleep again and invited a shot, to make it five. It is tempting to say it was one of those days. Finding ourselves 3 down, we did what we have been doing for some time - throwing the kitchen sink at the opposition. Off went the injured Lynch and on came Eze. Where he was supposed to be playing was unclear - possibly everywhere. Then off went Bidwell (as per usual) to be replaced by Washington, playing on the left. This meant that we were completely open on the left and so every time we pulled a goal back, they went up the other end and scored. Recently, clubs have gone deep when we have tried this - Forest just exploited the obvious gaps. Our magical midfield had the poorest game to date, but were outnumbered with Watson running everything - he never did that for us! Think that Ollie had a poor day as well. We started with Robinson playing on the right of a back 3 - he switched after Lynch went off. Good to see the youngsters get game time, but perhaps putting Furlong on and freeing up Pavel could have been better. When we put in crosses they struggled. Perhaps Manning could have evened it up in the middle, but once Bidwell went off, we were often down to a back 3 and no wingbacks, or just a back 2. Bad day at the office. Back to the drawing board. Like I say, perhaps we had this one coming from all the second half revivals (by throwing on forward players) that we have launched recently.
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Post by bowranger on Feb 24, 2018 19:08:43 GMT
Yeah can't disagree with much of that ricky. Good assessment.
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Post by Ashdown_Ranger on Feb 24, 2018 19:15:08 GMT
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Post by birchambluerinse on Feb 24, 2018 19:42:27 GMT
Thanks for the feedback BowRanger, feel sorry for you today having to witness that. What does it take for us to be consistent in winning, and not consistent in deceiving the fans..
final note: Josh Scowen does not have a footballing brain..The mistake against MK Dons is unforgivable...so him having a bad game, does not surprise me one bit..
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Post by harr on Feb 24, 2018 20:23:43 GMT
Pretty Pathetic, a team that had a terrible recent form turns it around on us yet again.
A bit Scared about how many points we will pick up in March. Thank heavens some of the teams under us are even worse than us at the minute, still not in the clear yet by a long way.
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Post by Lonegunmen on Feb 24, 2018 20:30:13 GMT
When you are searching for form, QPR really are the team to play against.
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Post by nomar on Feb 24, 2018 21:02:16 GMT
When you are searching for form, QPR really are the team to play against. We are nectar for any team on a bad run and any player who hasn’t scored in years/decades. And no, we are not safe yet. I don’t think we’ll go down but we certainly ain’t out of the woods yet by any means. Thankfully Sunderland and Burton are just flat out bad and Brum got dragged back into it today. We certainly don’t help ourselves at all and defensively we need major surgery season end cos this is pathetic every weekend.
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Post by Roller on Feb 24, 2018 21:39:32 GMT
You can blame the manager and tactics as much as you like, but the players were shocking today. I'm sure that the pre-match discussion did not revolve around Scowen and Luongo (who have generally been excellent this season) passing straight to the nearest opposition player as often as possible. I don't think that any of our players deserve more than a 5, most less than that.
Eze still looks like a quality player and I'd absolve Smyth of any blame, but no one else played remotely near an acceptable level.
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Post by harr on Feb 24, 2018 21:53:25 GMT
Forest have asked the FL if the can play us every other Saturday, 9-2 aggregate. I thought we were going to avenge the 4-0.
Table will look clearer Tuesday with Hull v Barnsley and Reading v Sheff U games.
I guess with Snow predictions for next weekend 3rd March and the following Tuesday 6th March we could well expect some cancelled games .
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Post by powerpump on Feb 25, 2018 5:36:16 GMT
Pretty Pathetic, a team that had a terrible recent form turns it around on us yet again. A bit Scared about how many points we will pick up in March. Thank heavens some of the teams under us are even worse than us at the minute, still not in the clear yet by a long way. Yes-we are only being saved by teams doing worse than us. On a rough calculation by the end of the season I reckon we need about 3 more wins and a draw or 2 to be safe.
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Post by bowranger on Feb 25, 2018 8:37:17 GMT
Thanks for the feedback BowRanger, feel sorry for you today having to witness that. What does it take for us to be consistent in winning, and not consistent in deceiving the fans.. final note: Josh Scowen does not have a footballing brain..The mistake against MK Dons is unforgivable...so him having a bad game, does not surprise me one bit.. I dunno, I think Scowen is usually one of our key players. He works hard, breaks up play and almost always shifts the ball forward. I have a lot of time for him. But he was crap yesterday. It happens.
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Post by bowranger on Feb 25, 2018 8:38:54 GMT
Pretty Pathetic, a team that had a terrible recent form turns it around on us yet again. A bit Scared about how many points we will pick up in March. Thank heavens some of the teams under us are even worse than us at the minute, still not in the clear yet by a long way. Yes-we are only being saved by teams doing worse than us. On a rough calculation by the end of the season I reckon we need about 3 more wins and a draw or 2 to be safe. Not necessarily fair, we've already beaten quite a few of the sides below us this season. We are being saved by us being better than the teams below us. Which may seem like a low barrier to have but it's a fact.
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Post by Marc on Feb 25, 2018 9:01:09 GMT
Pretty Pathetic, a team that had a terrible recent form turns it around on us yet again. A bit Scared about how many points we will pick up in March. Thank heavens some of the teams under us are even worse than us at the minute, still not in the clear yet by a long way. Yes-we are only being saved by teams doing worse than us. On a rough calculation by the end of the season I reckon we need about 3 more wins and a draw or 2 to be safe. Erm, isn't that the case for any team that doesn't get relegated? Isn't that how the league works? As bow says, if the teams below are doing worse than us, doesn't that mean we're doing better than them? In games we won, we must have only won because the other team scored less goals than us.
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Post by harr on Feb 25, 2018 10:16:08 GMT
Ok so the players weren’t up to normal standard and weren’t as focused as they should be for a home match game. Isn’t it part of the coaches job to make sure they are? Seemed like every time Forest broke look liked they could score, couldn’t handle them yet every other team in League recently they couldn’t even score against.
Moving on to Villa, this game gone, done, dusted, very poor result as was the City Ground, 9-2 aggregate to very average Champ team. 12 games to go, 36 points to play for we probably need 9-10 points bare minimum.
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Post by bowranger on Feb 25, 2018 12:29:49 GMT
Ok so the players weren’t up to normal standard and weren’t as focused as they should be for a home match game. Isn’t it part of the coaches job to make sure they are? Seemed like every time Forest broke look liked they could score, couldn’t handle them yet every other team in League recently they couldn’t even score against. Moving on to Villa, this game gone, done, dusted, very poor result as was the City Ground, 9-2 aggregate to very average Champ team. 12 games to go, 36 points to play for we probably need 9-10 points bare minimum. I think it's the coach's job in terms of mitigating that and how we respond to it and manage it in-game. But personally I don't see what else you can do to account for poor games in terms of form unless it's a pattern. Scowen, Luongo and Freeman are our best midfield three and all have been largely consistent this season. I think the former two were crap yesterday. That's not a lack of motivation or coaching. If it happened to them week to week and we didn't change the starting 11 then yeah, that's a problem, but it isn't. Sometimes we will play rubbish and sometimes that can't always be laid at Ollie's doorstep, for all his failings, desperate as people are to. That happens, that's the Championship. Same reason we beat Shef Utd and Wolves back to back. Same reason Wolves have gone 3 without a win and got held by ten man Preston the other day. Forest beat Wolves 2-0 away not long ago, does that mean they're de facto better than Wolves? Forest had a bad run and came out of it. Typically, annoyingly, that happened against us. You can't put that level of weight on it - Barnsley, Bolton and Burton are all within a few places of them and we recently beat all three. They're inconsistent, we are inconsistent. The Forest example is putting more statistical weight on our bad performances than our good ones and that's bad maths and bad for predictions. As I keep saying, go on and on about how crap we are all you like. Im first to admit that we are not very good at all. But don't forget we are still statistically better than most of the teams trying to stay up right now.
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Post by rousdonhoop on Feb 25, 2018 15:47:14 GMT
Also a note to the old bloke in S block screaming at Smyth to f**k off after he came to clap the supporters who stayed to the end. How's that fair in any way whatsoever? yes that is wrong, especially a young inexperienced player like Smyth. I'm surprised there was anyone left in the ground after the final whistle. I was heading back to Waterloo station wondering why I bother
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Post by Ashdown_Ranger on Feb 25, 2018 15:54:45 GMT
...in games we won, we must have only won because the other team scored less goals than us. Come on Marc - don't bamboozle us with these intricate technicalities!!
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Post by bowranger on Feb 25, 2018 16:45:34 GMT
Also a note to the old bloke in S block screaming at Smyth to f**k off after he came to clap the supporters who stayed to the end. How's that fair in any way whatsoever? yes that is wrong, especially a young inexperienced player like Smyth. I'm surprised there was anyone left in the ground after the final whistle. I was heading back to Waterloo station wondering why I bother Innit, considering he's one of the few to come out of that game with any credit. Lot of people left around me though we awkwardly scored the second goal so left people indecisively hovering on the steps!
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Post by harr on Feb 25, 2018 17:03:22 GMT
Anyone slightly concerned we got nothing from Sheff U and Notts F fixtures, with Villa , Fulham ( 9 wins and 3 draws in last 12) and Derby coming up. Sunderland you could now say we must win for this month. I struggle to see us getting much out those other three games unless we play like we did at Wolves away.
Derby seem to be up and down I suppose.
If we could beat Sunderland, draw with Derby and Reading, I would definitely take 5 points from April leaving us on 44 points with seven to play. I would be mildly confident we get two wins in the last seven
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Post by harr on Feb 25, 2018 17:21:55 GMT
I agree Clint The bottom tweet relates to 9 clean sheets in IH 68 matches
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Post by Lonegunmen on Feb 25, 2018 20:23:53 GMT
Smithies is an excellent goalkeeper. but only 9 clean sheets? He's better than that so one has to look at the defence in front of him.
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Post by birchambluerinse on Feb 25, 2018 20:41:26 GMT
The so called defense for the first goal was an example of terrible defending, 3 QPR defenders are running towards goal inside the box, not even looking at the two Forest attackers running in behind them, since when do you lose your marker or even worse take your eyes off (importantly) the attacking players.. cross allowed to come in, boom, we are one nil down...
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Post by Roller on Feb 25, 2018 20:43:29 GMT
Yesterday we suffered from a glut of individual or group errors. For their first goal, Wszołek was too busy arguing with the linesman to take up his defensive position which Forest exploited to maximum effect. For their second Bidwell and Scowen went to clear the same ball - they both missed. For the third Luongo and Lynch collided and for their fourth Smithies unusually parried a shot straight to the nearest Forest player. Onuoha probably should have closed down Brereton better for their fifth, but we only had two defenders on the pitch by then and it was a fabulous finish.
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Post by harr on Feb 25, 2018 21:21:45 GMT
I think if it weren’t for Smithies Andy we would have about 5 clean sheets in 68 games. He’s in the top three of the best in that League I reckon.
If Clints concerned about the number of clean sheets then so am I and If thinks the players / squad we have should be performing better than I would also agree.
Only one person got our defence in fantastic order and his team sit Second in the Championship a year after they were somewhere near the bottom three.
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Post by harr on Feb 27, 2018 7:35:51 GMT
Two games tonight, be surprised if Hull game goes ahead with the weather up there.
Hull v Barnsley Reading v Sheff Utd
2 draws be good
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