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Post by kenthoop on Jan 28, 2018 6:43:01 GMT
Ollies Comments is Ollie questioning his managerial skills of which imo he has none ,he said and i quote i need to take a good look at myself it is the blackest day in football i have had ,wow never expected that and why now ?nevermade such a statement like that before even when we have lost six on the bounce i cant quite understand it is he preparing to walk away i dont know that but i do think a change of manager is needed before the new season starts i was never a fan of him as a manager and am still not ,he is tactcally naive ,tinkers with teams too much ,i could go on but i dont want to bore you
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Post by sharky on Jan 28, 2018 9:27:13 GMT
We have a team of average Championship players with some League 2 standard youngsters so we're playing at League 1 standard. Maybe that's where we'll be next season unless we get in some Championship level players.
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Post by harr on Jan 28, 2018 10:25:15 GMT
But that was more than losing a match 57. We were outplayed for 90 minutes, 60 minutes with 10 men.
We would still have lost with 9 men imo.
When you read comments from ladies and gents saying after 40 years of season tickets they are no longer renewing, its a huge concern.
These are solid core fans that have had enough at the minute.
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Post by bowranger on Jan 28, 2018 11:02:11 GMT
But that was more than losing a match 57. We were outplayed for 90 minutes, 60 minutes with 10 men. We would still have lost with 9 men imo. When you read comments from ladies and gents saying after 40 years of season tickets they are no longer renewing, its a huge concern. These are solid core fans that have had enough at the minute. Unless it's a financial issue, because football is absurdly expensive at the moment, i'd be really interested why the breaking point would be now. We've been far far worse, with worse players in lower divisions on worse runs than this. To be fair, a bad run of form is easier to stomach when you're paying half as much money and not having to deal with all the crap of Sky changing the kick off times and the knowledge that players are on much, much higher wedge. I also think that the internet and constant rolling news doesn't help. Whereas you may have had a moan in the pub or with some colleagues now and again in the past, I am only ever a few clicks away now from everyone telling me that our club is sh*t and the sky is falling in. Losses hurt just as much 30 years back. But that hurt and frustration wasn't amplified in your face 24 hours a day like it is now. Or what I'm saying is, a lot of people are falling out of love with football nowadays and us being relatively crap at the moment makes it worse. So while I don't agree, I have a lot of sympathy for it and maybe I'd feel the same - not just about QPR but at other clubs of around our level. But as long as I can go and feel the club are trying, I won't stop going. Everyone is different and my 25 years of having a season ticket isn't 40 years so maybe the frustration just builds up? Something to look forward to with our club!
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Post by Marc on Jan 28, 2018 11:23:06 GMT
He can't really win. If he'd said we were unlucky and thought we'd actually played well, he'd have been slaughtered but, instead, he gives an honest, self-critical appraisal and still he gets slaughtered!
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Post by bowranger on Jan 28, 2018 11:27:31 GMT
I think the related thing to that is I'd say a potentially floundering Holloway is better than a caretaker or rushed mid season change of manager. We never get a fabled bounce like a lot other clubs and whether we agree with his selections or not (I think it's patchy - sometimes utterly wrong, sometimes nuanced) he knows this group of players and we can't afford another person bumbling in suddenly who has to find their feet.
It's depressing but to me the current ideal scenario now is that we get the (very achievable) points required to stay in lower mid table. Ollie gets to potentially walk away in summer having consolidated and presiding over a big cut in the squad and wage bill and having brought in more youth than we've seen in years (which fans nearly universally seemed to want).
I think we have enough about us to do that. But for people who don't have that faith, i'd point to the objective realiry that there are at least 3 teams who statistically and in terms of form are worse than us and in a lot more trouble than us.
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Post by rickyqpr on Jan 28, 2018 12:07:07 GMT
Yes, all good points. Very deep, we are getting into 'society today'. But I think one of the core reasons whyt people are turning away from football is because the rich (clubs) get richer and the poor get penalised. It would appear that even Chelsea are struggling to compete with the 2 Manchester clubs right now. The top 6 clubs have pulled away from all the others and the season amounts to a relegation fear for the other 14 Prem clubs. So if you support a Prem side there is still some sport in supporting your team, but before a ball has been kicked your ambitions are pre-defined. Most cannot even dream of a cup run as clubs are too scared to risk their top players favouring instead squad rotation. Relegation from the Prem is a frightening consequence. This cascades through the divisions as teams gamble on promotion or accept their fate and breed youngsters (or lower leaguers) only to lose them /cash in for them to play in the Prem reserves. Then somewhere in there is FFP that relegated clubs either face and rebuild or gamble again - with the top 6 seemingly immune to FFP consequences. So I think increasingly, supporters become 'at home and on-line' supporters frustrated at what has become of the club they have always supported, remembering the good days, and only turn out when the club ha s a decent run or cup opportunity (Newport off to Wembley - I wonder how many lifelong supporters will be found). The spirit of those e that attend remains positive, but the on-line community seems to be stirred up by some passionate but negative posters....IMHO
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Post by harr on Jan 28, 2018 14:13:14 GMT
Some fair comments Bow / 57 .
If Holloway can get points of Barnsley , Bolton, Forest at home, we will stay up. If he doesn’t we probably won’t.
My guess is we need two wins from those three home games on the assumption that we won’t get much from those 3 away games going on our current form of two away from teams in bottom three.
Febs fixtures + Villa 03/02/2018 15:00 Queens Park Rangers v Barnsley 10/02/2018 15:00 Wolverhampton v Queens Park Rangers 17/02/2018 15:00 Queens Park Rangers v Bolton Wanderers 20/02/2018 19:45 Sheffield United v Queens Park Rangers 24/02/2018 15:00 Queens Park Rangers v Nottingham Forest 03/03/2018 15:00 Aston Villa v Queens Park Rangers
6 points would give us a point a game over the next six games, which is bare minimum what we need.
That would put us on 39 points with 11 games to go. 11 games we would need 3 wins and a couple of draws, should manage that.
Whatever way we try to dress it up though, it was a shocking performance and result and many a QPR Manager have been fired for a lot less than that result and where we are in the table. Of course that’s not a good thing, it’s never good to change specially so late in a season but the owners won’t want us in League One either and with Tuesday fixtures we will drop a bit nearer due to games like Birmingham v Sunderland.
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Post by rangerjake on Jan 28, 2018 14:39:09 GMT
It's simple maths..
Mid Table Midfield + Lower Mid Table Defense + League 1 Attack ______________________________
18-24 in the table if you're lucky
The good outfield players we have are midfielders capable of winning and keeping possession but lacking any creativity in getting it to the strikers who need all the help they can get. I'm told Freeman is our best player, and supposedly very creative, but I don't see it. I mean he may push into dangerous spaces now and again, but I don't see much happening after that. He certainly isn't a goal scorer himself.
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Post by Lonegunmen on Jan 28, 2018 17:23:21 GMT
We look like a team that is going through the motions only. Not trying to make something happen. Tactics are non existant which I expect from Ollie and have found Bircham lacking in them too. Fans have had to put up with a lot since Richard Thompson came in and it has been negative for most of that time since. It's a shame as I have always found most QPR fans when you meet them upbeat and trying to look on the bright side. Something is seriously wrong when those fans have lost their desire/mojo/ will.
Some of it is most certainly the "We're here for the money" mentallity of most of our imported players. When guys came up through the youth system and were good enough for real first team action, they knew what this community was all about and they played for the community, not for their agent or bank balance. Some even went on and got international reward for their efforts.
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