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Post by bowranger on Nov 28, 2017 0:30:40 GMT
Bit torn on this. What do you reckon?
For someone under a fair bit of pressure (unfair or otherwise), it seems dangerous to have a go at the people who can essentially make or break your tenure. On the other hand, he gets plenty of stick so maybe he's entitled to give a bit back? The players needed backing, worked hard and plenty of our lot turned their backs on them - surely they deserve better?
I can't deny that I get a little bit of a mean kick out of it. If you don't stick it out with our lot, you don't get the magic. If you support a pretty average club like ours, moments like watching Brentford fans fall absolutely silent while you jump around hugging strangers are few and far between. You mug yourself off by leaving early when you don't need to.
By the same token, these are still fans who pay a sizeable wedge and often travel a long way week in and week out - do they deserve a kicking from the manager for leaving a bit early? I'll be the first to admit that we didn't look like scoring. As a poster on another site said, they've been going for decades and will be going long after Ollie's left so knocking people for a lack of support is a bit rich.
Plenty of fans seem to have taken the criticism on the chin. We give our own players and club stick in the heat of the moment, so maybe fans shouldn't get precious when someone has a heated dig back? Who hasn't said something a bit off hand when emotional? But then we're not leaders of football clubs and don't tend to carry the same level of responsibility.
I feel like, as I often do with Holloway, that I love his sheer passion for our football club and I'm glad he's in our corner during a scrap but you do wish he'd take a bloody deep breath and think before he speaks sometimes. Never gonna happen though heh.
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Post by Macmoish on Nov 28, 2017 9:24:43 GMT
I think it's fans' choice - and their possible loss! If they want to leave early, their choice. Supporting a club - every fan chooses for himself - same as if he wants to sing or stay quiet (doesnt have the "right" to boo players during a game I think!)
Should be grateful they came in the first place.
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Post by Markqpr on Nov 28, 2017 10:25:15 GMT
Mountains out of molehills and all that.
I think I was the only one around me that even acknowledged the first goal, by standing up and half heartedly clapping, which was quite a strange feeling.
When the assistant ref held up the board indicating 4 minutes of extra time someone behind me shouted 'You bastard!' at him which pretty much summed up how we all felt, but when the second went in, it made up for me counting down the minutes from the 85th minute onwards, feeling absolutely freezing and sorry for myself and turned an awful result into a brilliant one.
I laughed all the way down the Uxbridge Road home, I laughed as I was getting into bed last night and I laughed as I got up and got dressed this morning and was still laughing as I took my daughter to school.
I've never left a game before the final whistle in my life. I'm there to support the team when they are on the pitch, they can't leave early, so why should I?
I do give out to those that leave early, as that's my prerogative to do so, but what I don't do is take it so seriously that I would ever get upset over it.
It's football, enjoy it. Leave when you want, that's your prerogative for whatever reason you have.
Take the rough with the smooth and wake up everyday thankful that your not a Brentford supporter. Especially today.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2017 10:26:43 GMT
You pay your money, you should be able to voice your opinion and leave whenever you want after all without paying fans where would the club be? As for the professional's managers etc, they should remain professional. Great comeback, but a little to late.
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Post by harr on Nov 28, 2017 11:46:25 GMT
Dont think he needed to say that to be honest. People pay the prices, its totally their choice. Every Club in the Country would have had fans that left a minute or two early if they were 2-0 down at home in 92 minutes...... Nonsense comment.
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Post by Ashdown_Ranger on Nov 28, 2017 12:23:06 GMT
Ollie gets it from the boo-boys quite a bit these days, so he's just having a pop back at them.
Is it 'professional'? Probably not.
Is it understandable? Yes - even if it's not if not 'politically correct'.
Will it wind the fans up? Yes - it's a bit like when I went to see a standup comedian (Robin Ince) a few months back. The venue was only half full and he had a bit of a moan about it - to people who'd paid their money and actually came out to see him on the night!
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Post by wrenboy61 on Nov 28, 2017 12:30:48 GMT
As someone who stood up in the Ellerslie at the Fulham game and shouted at fans leaving after their second goal "where the F**k you going? stay and support your team" I find it difficult to understand people leaving games!
Last nights attendance for a local derby was already small, so people have obviously already started to vote on Ollie with their feet and are not turning up. But to be fair to the guy he's inherited a team that was already not good enough to compete at the top end of the league and has been given very little money to improve the team. His frustration obviously boiled over last night when he was buzzing after stealing a draw from what looked an embarrassing defeat.
When did QPR fans become so precious? In the past Ollie would have got a few choice words back but everyone would have taken it on the chin and moved on as long as the next results were favourable but now with the availability of social media everyone can show their displeasure in his statement. Ollie just needs to come out and say he's sorry for what he said but he said it because he cares. And he truly does care!
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Post by terryb on Nov 28, 2017 13:06:00 GMT
It depends on your reason for leaving early.
Some of us living outside London may have to leave early so that we can catch the last viable train home. This doesn't apply to me as there is just enough time for me to be at Liverpool Street by 10.30. Mind you, it was touch & go after the Sheffield United match with all the added time.
I was quite happy with all the early departures last night as it made our exit from the ground very quick & easy!
Having sat to the bitter end when we lost 5-0 at Southend 9 or 10 years ago, last night was an easy decision to stay.
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Post by wrenboy61 on Nov 28, 2017 13:43:46 GMT
It depends on your reason for leaving early. Some of us living outside London may have to leave early so that we can catch the last viable train home. This doesn't apply to me as there is just enough time for me to be at Liverpool Street by 10.30. Mind you, it was touch & go after the Sheffield United match with all the added time. I was quite happy with all the early departures last night as it made our exit from the ground very quick & easy! Having sat to the bitter end when we lost 5-0 at Southend 9 or 10 years ago, last night was an easy decision to stay. Normally takes us ages to get out as well. Last night was much easier!
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Post by nomar on Nov 28, 2017 17:30:44 GMT
Am I the only one who can't see what all the fuss is about?
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Post by blatantfowl on Nov 28, 2017 18:08:46 GMT
Ollie’s comments were gentle and he was dead right.
Nobody left because they needed to get home, they did it because they were proving a point. It backfired on them and they should have stayed.
Anyone complaining is doing so from their pride and not from a sense of right or wrong.
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Post by marshbowles10 on Nov 28, 2017 19:48:12 GMT
People pay their money and if they want to leave at any time that's their prerogative. If they left and missed the goals then they probably feel bad enough about it anyway.
The sad part about it however is the fact that we are delighted, indeed, over the moon to have earned a point at Fortress Loftus Road against Brentford- a team 14th in the Championship.
Just a few short seasons ago, on this date in 2014 just 3 years ago we beat Leicester City at home 3-2. What a difference between the 2 sides today that 36 months ago were evenly matched. 13,000 spectators shows the Sky effect too.
With the gate receipts, Sky subscription and our funding of football, I think we have every right to express our displeasure or pleasure with these mega millionaires...since we pay their wages...and if that means leaving early then so be it.
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Post by rangersman on Nov 28, 2017 20:15:36 GMT
Here is an idea Olly , start with Smith and drop Mackie maybe it would have been so different .
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Post by egranger on Nov 28, 2017 22:16:18 GMT
I don’t realty understand why the ground was not full
Only 4 games ago we beat the top 2 teams
We have a manager who cares and is assembling a decent team on a relative shoe string
It’s been so entertaining and I don’t think we played that badly last night even if we had not scored the late goals
But what is most disappointing is the lack of noise and empty seats at the home end. Brentford had a real advantage in the second half because the club in their wisdom have decided to put the family area where the players need the most support
I am still smiling about last night - I will continue to support the club and Ian Holloway - and oh yes always stay until the end come what may - who else remembers Newcastle? 😉
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Post by scarletpimple on Nov 29, 2017 0:56:13 GMT
I would reserve the right to leave when i bloody well want too, if i missed the goals i would have been over the moon to have got a point and not pi$$ed off that i had missed both our goals. I remember leaving wembley 5 mins early against spurs to miss the rush, as i got to the station i heard a roar and i thought spurs had got a second, imagine my delight when i got home and turned on the telly.
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Post by Dufster on Nov 29, 2017 9:43:12 GMT
I often leave a little early to beat the football traffic which is different to leaving early because of the score line...However its my choice either way. I'm sure those that did leave early on Monday will be disappointed but their frustration is understandable, local Derbies do carry a bit of extra emotion.
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Post by harr on Nov 29, 2017 10:44:10 GMT
It depends on your reason for leaving early. Some of us living outside London may have to leave early so that we can catch the last viable train home. This doesn't apply to me as there is just enough time for me to be at Liverpool Street by 10.30. Mind you, it was touch & go after the Sheffield United match with all the added time. I was quite happy with all the early departures last night as it made our exit from the ground very quick & easy! Having sat to the bitter end when we lost 5-0 at Southend 9 or 10 years ago, last night was an easy decision to stay. I was at that game Terry. It was horrid night, think it was miserable weather, drizzly or foggy? couldnt park for miles which made me 10 mins late for the game with my son but stayed until the end but a dreadful performance.
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Post by harr on Nov 29, 2017 10:46:30 GMT
I wish I had left early for the Oxford Utd final, 90 minutes early
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Post by rousdonhoop on Nov 29, 2017 11:21:57 GMT
Ollie’s comments were gentle and he was dead right. Nobody left because they needed to get home, they did it because they were proving a point. It backfired on them and they should have stayed. Anyone complaining is doing so from their pride and not from a sense of right or wrong. I think people do need to leave early to get home. I guess that is why there was only 11,000 in the ground. The attendances at night games have plummeted to what they were 20/30 years ago. Large percentage of fans don't even live in London anymore
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Post by Lonegunmen on Nov 30, 2017 7:36:56 GMT
I only left once early when we lost to Southampton 4-0. ten mins to go and surrounded by Saints fans giving me it large.
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Post by scarletpimple on Nov 30, 2017 11:00:08 GMT
There are 2 points here that are crossing over and becoming confused. 1. Of course fans can choose to come and go at any time at any game for any reason. No one can argue against that. 2. Should Ollie be free to criticise fans who walk out if we are losing when many of the same fans are the first to accuse players of not being 100% committed or letting their heads drop if they are losing. IMO of course he is entitled to state his view. Maybe in the heat of the moment he phrased it inappropriately in typical Ollie style but we all know how he is. Conclusion - mountain out of a mole hill - there are far worse things being posted on Twitter by so called world leaders to worry about a typical Ollie moment. Solution - Get 2-0 up in every home game and see how many home fans walk out early. We may need that anyway with 4 of the next 6 games being away from home it could be a bleak December. The big difference is, players get paid bloody good wages to play football and one would expect 100% commitment every game, you would also expect a manager and his staff who are also well paid to have the team well organised with a sound game plan, players playing in their most effective positions and well trained....can that be said of the currant setup, therefor lack of team cohesion and losing to a club like brentford is enough to pi$$ off most fans and leave early. We are bigger than them and we should be better than them, but were not...Why???
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Post by marshbowles10 on Nov 30, 2017 11:54:58 GMT
Perhaps if Ollie had praised the fans that stayed rather than criticise those that left he would have made his point in a constructive manner.
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Post by harr on Nov 30, 2017 13:27:38 GMT
Perhaps if Ollie had praised the fans that stayed rather than criticise those that left he would have made his point in a constructive manner. Yes MarshBowles, this would make far more sense than slating ones that left early. His comments only get more fans angered and that can not be a good thing surely.
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Post by blatantfowl on Nov 30, 2017 20:18:28 GMT
Perhaps if Ollie had praised the fans that stayed rather than criticise those that left he would have made his point in a constructive manner. That's a good point it would have been better to do that. But his criticism was hardly a dagger to the heart, it was soft.
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Post by nomar on Nov 30, 2017 22:24:44 GMT
Perhaps if Ollie had praised the fans that stayed rather than criticise those that left he would have made his point in a constructive manner. I believe he actually did both those things in the interview. *** Shrugs shoulders ***
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Post by bowranger on Dec 1, 2017 9:18:20 GMT
The overriding thing I take from it is that people aren't particularly honest with what they actually want. This season, the overwhelming opinion seemed to be that we wanted a team that worked hard, cared and didn't get relegated. Whenever we've been awful over the last few years, the biggest comment online was always "we want passion, guts, pride in the badge" and all that.
This team has that in spades. They'll fight til the final whistle, unlike the dickheads we had in the squad not that long back, but we still won't stick about a few extra minutes for them. What do people actually want, then?
I agree that people pay their money and can come and go as they please. I also agree that Holloway was clumsy and certainly shouldn't have expressed it in quite the way he did. But also think a lot of us are being incredibly thin skinned in terms of being happy to dish it out but unhappy to take a dig back. People were 'tired' of JFH's lack of charisma in front of the press and the apparent lack of gusto. Well, here's the opposite - opinionated, brash, sometimes stupid, always caring about our club all the same.
I never leave early precisely because QPR are historically just not that good. Might sound weird, but my point is that most matches are either mediocre, pretty good or absolutely awful. We're not going to win the league or the cup any time soon. But what I've got that my United supporting mates who never set foot in Old Trafford or whatever is moments like Monday night. That sense of smugness and joy.
Markqpr has it absolutely bang on. I went mad when the second goal went in. I laughed like a f*cking drain at Brentford fans on the way home. I smiled when I went to bed. I woke up and smiled about it on the way to work and talked to my mates about it. That's why I never leave early, because getting home a bit quicker or sitting through a few more minutes of a crap performance is never worth missing in exchange for that little, little chance of something magic happening.
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Post by nomar on Dec 1, 2017 15:19:24 GMT
The overriding thing I take from it is that people aren't particularly honest with what they actually want. This season, the overwhelming opinion seemed to be that we wanted a team that worked hard, cared and didn't get relegated. Whenever we've been awful over the last few years, the biggest comment online was always "we want passion, guts, pride in the badge" and all that. This team has that in spades. They'll fight til the final whistle, unlike the dickheads we had in the squad not that long back, but we still won't stick about a few extra minutes for them. What do people actually want, then? I agree that people pay their money and can come and go as they please. I also agree that Holloway was clumsy and certainly shouldn't have expressed it in quite the way he did. But also think a lot of us are being incredibly thin skinned in terms of being happy to dish it out but unhappy to take a dig back. People were 'tired' of JFH's lack of charisma in front of the press and the apparent lack of gusto. Well, here's the opposite - opinionated, brash, sometimes stupid, always caring about our club all the same. I never leave early precisely because QPR are historically just not that good. Might sound weird, but my point is that most matches are either mediocre, pretty good or absolutely awful. We're not going to win the league or the cup any time soon. But what I've got that my United supporting mates who never set foot in Old Trafford or whatever is moments like Monday night. That sense of smugness and joy. Markqpr has it absolutely bang on. I went mad when the second goal went in. I laughed like a f*cking drain at Brentford fans on the way home. I smiled when I went to bed. I woke up and smiled about it on the way to work and talked to my mates about it. That's why I never leave early, because getting home a bit quicker or sitting through a few more minutes of a crap performance is never worth missing in exchange for that little, little chance of something magic happening. Everything in this post.
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Post by Lonegunmen on Dec 2, 2017 7:31:38 GMT
30 quid is a lot of money for a ticket at our level.
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Post by bowranger on Dec 5, 2017 10:52:49 GMT
30 quid is a lot of money for a ticket at our level. That's partly why I stay to the end, though. People around me regularly turn up late, leave early to get a beer or go for a piss, come back 5 mins after half time then leave early. £30 is too much money for 90 minutes of Championship football, let alone 75 minutes of it. If it's a point of it being too expensive in the first place, I'd either boycott or go and get your money's worth. Appreciate that many people feel they deserve entertainment for that price; taking the family to the football is as expensive as the cinema or the theatre these days. But I don't get why it would make people want to walk out early once you've paid your money.
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