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Post by londonranger on Aug 22, 2017 19:38:17 GMT
1-3 Bees at half time.
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Post by Lonegunmen on Aug 22, 2017 20:12:48 GMT
QPR play team on bad run of form, QPR losing, now there's a F***en surprise.
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Post by londonranger on Aug 22, 2017 20:34:07 GMT
87 mins 1-4 Bees. Proper stinging for Rs.
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Post by londonranger on Aug 22, 2017 20:50:40 GMT
Only the FA cup to do now. Can't wait. Couldn't we just concede all Cup games?
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Post by londonranger on Aug 22, 2017 20:52:15 GMT
just to finish my musings. We always put on weaker teams in Cup games, Caulker, Ingram, just two. But other teams don't do that, or do they>
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Post by harr on Aug 22, 2017 21:00:34 GMT
just to finish my musings. We always put on weaker teams in Cup games, Caulker, Ingram, just two. But other teams don't do that, or do they> That was a 4-1 stuffing by Brentfords second string Harry. Absolutely Pathetic .
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Post by londonranger on Aug 22, 2017 21:05:05 GMT
Harles, now Im thinking, this has gone on for so long. Why not just exclude these League Cup ****ups from the Prediction League. Or charge the fans half price.
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Post by rangerjake on Aug 22, 2017 21:15:37 GMT
I ranted on another thread and I'm sorry, but I just need to vent.
When you're a club like QPR that has suffered through years of relegation, financial threat and just general bad feelings and you get some positive momentum you should be hanging on to it like grim death. You have to treat EVERY game like it's important. League, Cup, U23, Tiger Cubs it doesn't matter. You need people feeling good and getting in a winning mindset, otherwise you're never going to shake that losing malaise.
So we have a really great start to the league season with wins over good teams you would expect to finish in the money this year in Reading and Hull. Everyone's feeling good, we have a little bounce in our step and instead of putting out a strong team in what amounts to a derby game we make 10 changes and get our ar*$s handed to us. On Saturday we've got Cardiff away a game, to be fair, you expect to struggle to take points from. THEN WE HAVE TWO WEEKS OFF!!!!!!! After that it's Ipswich who are also undefeated so that's very possibly 3 loses on the spin and all that momentum right down the toilet.
If it were me I would have sat Mackie, because he's older and critical to the style of football we're playing right now, and maybe a few others but kept one of Scowen or Freeman and a good part of the defense so that there is some continuity and we don't get destroyed like, oh I don't know, 4-1.
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Post by Macmoish on Aug 22, 2017 21:23:25 GMT
Of course. As I said in the last round, I'd play my best players and risk injury. I don't care....
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Post by londonranger on Aug 22, 2017 21:40:00 GMT
Since we hold the record for most consecutive third round defeats in the FA cup I think I will exclude them from the prediction league on that day in January.
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Post by sharky on Aug 22, 2017 22:23:38 GMT
Woken up to the usual doom and gloom when we've lost a Cup game to a side we should have beaten. Remember WE DON'T DO CUPS!
Just seen that Cardiff also lost. At home to Burton Albion! So we're in good company.
Bring on Saturday!
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Post by bowranger on Aug 22, 2017 23:17:24 GMT
Not long home, what a crap evening.
Worth bearing in mind that us being rubbish in cup games, like we almost always are, isn't much of a gauge of where we're at. We've had terrible seasons coincide with being rubbish in the cup, we've had fantastic seasons being rubbish in the cup. Not like we had good cup runs when we were destroying all comers in the league under Warnock is it? Indeed, Cardiff got done tonight and I doubt he'll lose any sleep over it.
Anyway, always rubbish to see us get hammered at home. Not much to say as this was pure QPR. Cup game, opposition on a not great run who are far, far more up for it than us and a line up of players who for chunks just looked lost.
We were absolute pap for most of the first half and got punished for it. Some of that can't be put down to unfamiliarity - for example, allowing two free headers in the box for a single goal is just plain bad. Brentford learnt that Baptiste is not very quick within about 5 minutes and just pummelled him. He grew into the game, as did most of the team. Furlong took his goal well. We had the best of it in the second half and threw caution to the wind and left gaps. We didn't take our chances, Brentford did and just picked us off.
Chair did himself plenty of favours. Never hid, looks confident, bright and creative. Couldn't fault Ingram for the goals. Don't feel like anyone was lazy. We just phoned it in, like we almost always do. Brentford have been creating loads of chances in the league and not got the results they've deserved. Felt like an inevitable hammering and we got one.
But yeah, broken record but I don't feel like we can learn much from this. Gutted to have been humbled yet again in a derby, gutted we are consistently crap in a cup we by rights could and should do ok in, but we never, ever do, do we? Still a fantastic start to the season as far as I'm concerned.
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Post by bowranger on Aug 22, 2017 23:40:48 GMT
I ranted on another thread and I'm sorry, but I just need to vent. When you're a club like QPR that has suffered through years of relegation, financial threat and just general bad feelings and you get some positive momentum you should be hanging on to it like grim death. You have to treat EVERY game like it's important. League, Cup, U23, Tiger Cubs it doesn't matter. You need people feeling good and getting in a winning mindset, otherwise you're never going to shake that losing malaise. So we have a really great start to the league season with wins over good teams you would expect to finish in the money this year in Reading and Hull. Everyone's feeling good, we have a little bounce in our step and instead of putting out a strong team in what amounts to a derby game we make 10 changes and get our ar*$s handed to us. On Saturday we've got Cardiff away a game, to be fair, you expect to struggle to take points from. THEN WE HAVE TWO WEEKS OFF!!!!!!! After that it's Ipswich who are also undefeated so that's very possibly 3 loses on the spin and all that momentum right down the toilet. If it were me I would have sat Mackie, because he's older and critical to the style of football we're playing right now, and maybe a few others but kept one of Scowen or Freeman and a good part of the defense so that there is some continuity and we don't get destroyed like, oh I don't know, 4-1. Sympathy for the rant but a few points on why I don't think it's so fundamentally bad/meaningful. 1. Momentum is important, I agree. Winning is a habit. But QPR in the cup hasn't had a noticeable affect on that momentum in the past. 2010-11 was probably the most enjoyable season of my life, went up as Champions after an incredible early season run. Part of the way through, we got battered by Port Vale at home 1-3 and everyone was livid at the time. Remember that vid that went viral of 'QPR's Maddest Fan'? That was that game. I barely remember it despite being there now. That's QPR innit. 2. I have some sympathy with resting some players, much as the general malaise around the cups annoys me as a fan (utterly ruined and devalued by the FA and the sponsor, teams not taking it seriously by valuing finishing 12th rather than 16th over a possible trip to Wembley etc.). As you say, Mackie is older and crucial to our style of play - he also got his leg broken in the cup at Blackburn. Ale Faurlin was out for the season after being played away at MK Dons in the cup. It is a risk. Particularly with Mackie - he's older, he's emerging as a key part of the first team again and he's got to survive 46 matches. Redknapp got crucified for risking players in 'pointless' cup replays - if Mackie or Freeman got crocked for a few months, Ollie would be battered for not resting crucial players. Damned if you do/don't. So I don't like it, but I get it. This hammering, like all the other hammerings we get in the cup will be forgotten if we do better this year. 3. We couldn't play Scowen as he's injured. We couldn't keep a good chunk of the defence as Lynch is injured, Bidwell isn't fully fit, Perch was injured and both Baptiste and Caulker need game time. There'll be more injuries and we need people to be dependable when they come into the team and that can mean giving them game time. It's annoying but I'd rather that's people being rusty in the league cup and not in the league. So yeah, I'm gutted too but this doesn't undo the momentum. Keep the faith.
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Post by harr on Aug 23, 2017 6:20:16 GMT
How come we have so many injuries after so few games. Hall , Scowen, Perch , Bidwell, Cousins , I thought after training on that hill they would be fit for the season.
Hopefully his will stop people saying play our youngsters in all our Championship games as we know where that will end.
Also shows with a few injuries our squad has not got strength in depth, so yes we do need a couple of additions and we do need to loan a few out.
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Post by nomar on Aug 23, 2017 6:59:01 GMT
How come we have so many injuries after so few games. Hall , Scowen, Perch , Bidwell, Cousins , I thought after training on that hill they would be fit for the season. Hopefully his will stop people saying play our youngsters in all our Championship games as we know where that will end. Also shows with a few injuries our squad has not got strength in depth, so yes we do need a couple of additions and we do need to loan a few out. Squad is bloated and needs trimming not adding to. You get nights like last night because there are too many players who need games and aren't getting them in the league. You get more players in then what are you going to do with the ones you're paying already who only turn up to mail it in on cup nights? We dont seem to be loaning many out either.
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Post by bowranger on Aug 23, 2017 7:18:05 GMT
How come we have so many injuries after so few games. Hall , Scowen, Perch , Bidwell, Cousins , I thought after training on that hill they would be fit for the season. Hopefully his will stop people saying play our youngsters in all our Championship games as we know where that will end. Also shows with a few injuries our squad has not got strength in depth, so yes we do need a couple of additions and we do need to loan a few out. Injuries happen. Hull lost their best player for almost the whole season before playing us, does that mean they had a bad pre-season too? I don't know who said running up a hill would prevent injuries, although we certainly look fitter this season. Not sure on why you're so caught up on that whole hill PR thing but, excuse the pun, get over it. Dunno anyone who's said we should play our youngsters every game. And to be fair, our youngsters came out with decent performances - Furlong got a goal, Chair looked really good. And it wasn't a very youthful team. Fringe, yeah but not young. Petrasso didn't even make it on. Did you watch the game? Don't feel like this proves we don't have strength in depth, we've still got a bloated squad and unless people are moved on...you know the rest. We are crap in the cup, I don't know why, but we have the same argument and hyperbole every year on this and then we forget about to. Statistically has rot all impact on our league form or general quality.
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Post by Marc on Aug 23, 2017 7:57:03 GMT
How come we have so many injuries after so few games. Hall , Scowen, Perch , Bidwell, Cousins , I thought after training on that hill they would be fit for the season.
Hopefully his will stop people saying play our youngsters in all our Championship games as we know where that will end. Also shows with a few injuries our squad has not got strength in depth, so yes we do need a couple of additions and we do need to loan a few out. Hall & Cousins have been ongoing injuries, nothing to do with pre-season. Scowen & Perch picked up injuries in the 3 player collision in the Hull game. Fitness can prevent injuries (although there's no guarantees) but do nothing to prevent impact injuries like these) so, again, nothing to do with pre-season. Unfortunately, it looks like Perch will be out for months just as he was coming good so sod's law there! Don't know what the obsession is with some fans over the "hill" training, some fans seem to want to use it as a stick to beat the club with. If anything, that extra fitness may have contributed to our late win on Saturday.
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Post by Roller on Aug 23, 2017 8:10:57 GMT
I always find it amusing that those who didn't go to the game get far angrier than those who did. For me the worst aspect was that none of the starting eleven staked a claim to be included on Saturday, indeed only Chair came out of the match with any credit. Having just read that Perch is possibly out for up to 7 months with a dislocated kneecap, I'm even happier that we made mass changes, we could I'll afford to lose Onuoha as well. Caulker showed just how rusty not playing for a year would make anyone, hopefully any clamour for him to be parachuted back into the first team die here.
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Post by Lonegunmen on Aug 23, 2017 8:19:45 GMT
Can you guys not see the obvious pattern? Jeeesh !! Any Team playing crap, losing 4 or more on the trot, next up they play QPR, bad run ended with a win, good run starts and QPR get nothing other than a slide downwards. Don't believe me? Ask Norwich and Brentford fans!
Teams in a bad run just can't wait to play us. We did it last season too!
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Post by bowranger on Aug 23, 2017 9:07:31 GMT
Always feels like we're historically a really charitable team to clubs on bad runs, or at least to players who are on dry runs in front of goal or have a new manager. Dunno if that's the case statistically but always think of John Jensen and Lloyd bloody Doyley. Don't think it quite related to this game as our record in the cups is probably a lot worse than our ability to roll over for teams needing a big performance, mind.
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Post by rangersman on Aug 23, 2017 9:10:46 GMT
And our Turnip of a manager says he does not care !! he says we will do them in the league !!! this pillock will drag us down .
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Post by harr on Aug 23, 2017 9:16:59 GMT
How come we have so many injuries after so few games. Hall , Scowen, Perch , Bidwell, Cousins , I thought after training on that hill they would be fit for the season. Hopefully his will stop people saying play our youngsters in all our Championship games as we know where that will end. Also shows with a few injuries our squad has not got strength in depth, so yes we do need a couple of additions and we do need to loan a few out. Squad is bloated and needs trimming not adding to. You get nights like last night because there are too many players who need games and aren't getting them in the league. You get more players in then what are you going to do with the ones you're paying already who only turn up to mail it in on cup nights? We dont seem to be loaning many out either. I definitely agree we should be loaning a fair few out and we will. Trouble is if you loan out too many and then get injuries like we have, then what back up do you have? Our starting 11 is good but when you take out a few to injury the replacements are not anywhere near to the same standards. Which of course is going to be the same in most Championship teams but maybe more so at QPR. I mean out second 11 was basically beaten with ease by a Brentford second 11. So is Brentfords squad just that much better than ours? If everyone feels that was an acceptable outcome to Brentfords second string then fair enough. My only real target for the season is to finish 21st and get 50 points so ai really shouldnt get worried about stupid Cups nobody seems to bother about anymore but you cant help thinking we did waste another oppurtunity to have a bit of a Cup run.
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Post by harr on Aug 23, 2017 9:18:03 GMT
Always feels like we're historically a really charitable team to clubs on bad runs, or at least to players who are on dry runs in front of goal or have a new manager. Dunno if that's the case statistically but always think of John Jensen and Lloyd bloody Doyley. Don't think it quite related to this game as our record in the cups is probably a lot worse than our ability to roll over for teams needing a big performance, mind. What like last year at Rotherham
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Post by bowranger on Aug 23, 2017 9:18:04 GMT
That "pillock" currently has us in 6th after plenty predicted us getting nothing from most of the fixtures so far. Saint Warnock had us stuffed 1-3 at home to League One Port Vale in the league cup the season we won the league, Brentford pasted us in the cup and they finished 10th last season in our division. Main difference year-on-year is that we got stuffed in the cup by someone in our own division rather than Swindon or Rochdale or Vauxhall Motors. Get over yourself, makes us look like spoiled kids.
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Post by harr on Aug 23, 2017 9:23:53 GMT
That "pillock" currently has us in 6th after plenty predicted us getting nothing from most of the fixtures so far. Saint Warnock had us stuffed 1-3 at home to League One Port Vale in the league cup the season we won the league, Brentford pasted us in the cup and they finished 10th last season in our division. Main difference year-on-year is that we got stuffed in the cup by someone in our own division rather than Swindon or Rochdale or Vauxhall Motors. Get over yourself, makes us look like spoiled kids. Saint Warnock is sitting top of Championship though Bow, until Saturday when we beat them
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Post by bowranger on Aug 23, 2017 9:28:21 GMT
What like last year at Rotherham I'm not sure if that's agreeing or disagreeing really. If you're disagreeing because we beat them 5-1 at our place, I wasn't saying we lose to every single team ever on a bad run every single time, it's just a broad observation. Same with how over the last 10 years, you can generally say that our away form is pretty poor. Doesn't mean we don't ever win away or that we didn't smack four past Brum last season. Rotherham works both ways. We beat them at our place, when they were truly dead and buried, but they also beat us 1-0 at their ground last December - their first win since August - they'd been without a win for over 4 months. And as a broader point, you know that far more people, often who hadn't watched it, were talking about how crap and doomed we are based on that important loss but offered tempered "it's only Rotherham, don't get carried away" when we hammered them.
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Post by harr on Aug 23, 2017 9:32:01 GMT
(, but they also beat us 1-0 at their ground last December - their first win since August, over 4 months. )
Thats all I was saying, nothing more nothing less just that we are a charity case when it comes to a team on a stinking run of form play us and boooooom.
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Post by bowranger on Aug 23, 2017 9:32:42 GMT
That "pillock" currently has us in 6th after plenty predicted us getting nothing from most of the fixtures so far. Saint Warnock had us stuffed 1-3 at home to League One Port Vale in the league cup the season we won the league, Brentford pasted us in the cup and they finished 10th last season in our division. Main difference year-on-year is that we got stuffed in the cup by someone in our own division rather than Swindon or Rochdale or Vauxhall Motors. Get over yourself, makes us look like spoiled kids. Saint Warnock is sitting top of Championship though Bow, until Saturday when we beat them Must be a bit weird for Neil being in different contexts and battles like that. I remember that incredible Cardiff away game in the promotion season (with yet another mind-blowing Taarabt goal) and how tense Warnock was on the touchline, leading us to promotion. It felt such a crucial game and he was kicking every ball, one of the best away trips i've been on. And now he's at the same ground, doing it for someone else. He's a storied manager and the promotion story has played out with him at numerous clubs, but it still feels a bit 'wrong' seeing him lead Cardiff off up the league.
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Post by bowranger on Aug 23, 2017 9:33:22 GMT
(, but they also beat us 1-0 at their ground last December - their first win since August, over 4 months. ) Thats all I was saying, nothing more nothing less just that we are a charity case when it comes to a team on a stinking run of form play us and boooooom. Ah, my mistake, thought the angel emoticon meant you were being sarcy .
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Post by harr on Aug 23, 2017 9:40:46 GMT
Saint Warnock is sitting top of Championship though Bow, until Saturday when we beat them Must be a bit weird for Neil being in different contexts and battles like that. I remember that incredible Cardiff away game in the promotion season (with yet another mind-blowing Taarabt goal) and how tense Warnock was on the touchline, leading us to promotion. It felt such a crucial game and he was kicking every ball, one of the best away trips i've been on. And now he's at the same ground, doing it for someone else. He's a storied manager and the promotion story has played out with him at numerous clubs, but it still feels a bit 'wrong' seeing him lead Cardiff off up the league. Its very early days. But you would have to say Cardiff dont look the team that was stuck in the bottom three at the start of last year. I really dislike the fact he is doing a decent job there but thats football. They might well fizzle out mid table yet though. I really cant see a team like Ipswich finishing where they are either. Last year struggling all season, no money to buy anyone, then just buy Waghorn and seem a different team now. I really dont care who gets promoted as Long as Wolves go belly up and we stay in the Division, that will do me. Although an FA Cup run would be nice but we know it wont happen.
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