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Post by londonranger on Feb 11, 2017 18:42:12 GMT
Maybe a new manager?
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Post by spanishal on Feb 11, 2017 18:54:44 GMT
Must admit: "we were unlucky". "We deserved more" "can't fault the lads" " we must take our chances". Is all getting very tiresome
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Post by Marc on Feb 11, 2017 18:59:37 GMT
Must admit: "we were unlucky". "We deserved more" "can't fault the lads" " we must take our chances". Is all getting very tiresome What would you like him to say?
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Post by spanishal on Feb 11, 2017 19:54:08 GMT
Must admit: "we were unlucky". "We deserved more" "can't fault the lads" " we must take our chances". Is all getting very tiresome What would you like him to say? "Well done lads great 3 points, we put those chances away this time". Or is that wishful thinking?
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Post by Macmoish on Feb 11, 2017 20:07:40 GMT
We need 15 to 20 points to stay up - Nearer 20 probably
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Post by harr on Feb 11, 2017 20:43:19 GMT
15 games 14 points, Ollie not getting a point a game even. Very worrying and I love the guy. 6 games with no points, now four games with one point. If we dont beat Birmingham or Wigan, I fear the worst. ( Birmingham one win in 12 and Wigan about two)
Great results around us today but that may not be the case Tuesday.
The way I see it is Rotherham are gone. With Wigans run in and if we can beat them feel we will finish above them. Who will end up with 22 nd spot? Blackburn, Bristol C, Burton, QPR , Forest, one of these five to join Rotherham and Wigan I reckon. Think Wolves, Villa, Brentford will pull away.
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Post by harr on Feb 11, 2017 20:45:59 GMT
We need 15 to 20 points to stay up - Nearer 20 probably I think 15 / 16 will do it. 5 wins and a draw. These Eight are our best chances of picking up wins. Forest , Cardiff, Wigan , Rotherham , Barnsley home Bristol C , Birmingham A Brentford A Cant see us picking much up from Preston Away , Derby away , Villa away, Leeds away, Norwich away Brighton home Sheff Weds home
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Post by londonranger on Feb 11, 2017 21:42:29 GMT
I see us being relegated.
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Post by harr on Feb 11, 2017 22:02:17 GMT
Warnock getting over 1.5 points a game and joined a team that was near the bottom of league when he took over, say no more. Ollie needs to up his game now, had his holiday period 15 games, we neeed to start winning. Currently less that 1 point. 1 point a game to the end of the season may not keep us up.
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Post by harr on Feb 11, 2017 22:18:08 GMT
I see us being relegated. QPR boss Ian Holloway: We've probably got to win five or six games, so we've got a big margin for error. I think thats 15 games he has been in charge Harry and with the bounce factor of a new Manager, we have won 4 of his first 15 games. So how have we got a big margin for error, specially losing to Blackburn and Burton? By the way H, answering your first post, no dont change Manager anymore now, we have done all that . If we end up in League One so be it but if frank, would have hoped for more than 4 wins from those first 15 games if you break down who we have played.
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Post by powerpump on Feb 12, 2017 5:08:08 GMT
For sure the trap door (to the Third tier) is looking menacing and possible. Ironic this as its the 50 th year anniversary from our triumph when in Division 3!
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Post by Macmoish on Feb 12, 2017 9:43:13 GMT
Agree: The issue is confidence...I'm sure the players we currently have at QPR are good enough.
Who knows re our recent managerial appointments and firings and appointments.
We have Ian Holloway - whether we should have or not, is an interesting debate. But we should absolutely be sticking with him. And not doing 11th hour firings...New appointment
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Post by Marc on Feb 12, 2017 10:19:43 GMT
Let's not hit the panic button just yet. There are currently 5 teams below us, one of which is pretty much already relegated. That leaves 2 spots up for grabs. We're currently 5 points above Blackburn and 8 above Wigan. Yes ,they've got a game in hand but their form doesn't exactly guarantee a win and they'd still need more wins to go above us. The games in midweek will give us a better idea though.
Then look at the 4 teams above us, all in piss poor form and only 3 points separating the 5 of us. That's 9 teams vying for 2 relegation places. If we were playing badly and getting hammered week in week out, I'd be a lot more concerned but we're not.
As for confidence, we lost 6 in a row then won 3 in a row so, whilst it can be an issue, it can be easily overcome.
I think we've got a chance of a good result against Brum, we seem to do better away from home, and the Wigan game will obviously also be important.
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Post by marshbowles10 on Feb 12, 2017 10:44:52 GMT
I've read the reports and we all see different games and I guess we have to respect a manager, especially an away manager that thinks we deserved a point.
I wonder however if his comments were more for his own players?
It is key for them not to become complacent as they get to the serious part of the season. Huddersfield as their fans were rightly singing at Ollie were favourites for relegation.
Equally for a team that is suffering from confidence, Holloway needs to build via comments rather than destroy.
If you are 'lucky' enough to see a game....make your own judgement!
Whilst much of Huddersfield's success appears to be due to exceptionally talented and gifted loan players (although the morons by us think that because they play for Chelsea they are shite....and kept on and on shouting it) I felt that they were alway playing within themselves.
Certainly in the first half they were a yard faster and their technical ability seemed to be considerably higher than anything we had to show.
The second half thankfully showed some of the passion that Ollie brings and the subs worked, we pressed much more and won more of the midfield BUT II always had the feeling however that Huddersfield could have upped their game had we made it 2-2.
Without looking through a world with blue and white tinted spectacles, I thought the result was about right.
We are in a perilously dangerous situation. 'Fortress Loftus Road' is essentially a marketing slogan and there is no team too good to go down in the bottom 5-6.
However all it needs is a couple of positive results, hopefully starting at Birmingham to make sure we are not going to Norwich on the last day of the season needing points to stay up.
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Post by harr on Feb 12, 2017 11:07:32 GMT
Let's not hit the panic button just yet. There are currently 5 teams below us, one of which is pretty much already relegated. That leaves 2 spots up for grabs. We're currently 5 points above Blackburn and 8 above Wigan. Yes ,they've got a game in hand but their form doesn't exactly guarantee a win and they'd still need more wins to go above us. The games in midweek will give us a better idea though. Then look at the 4 teams above us, all in piss poor form and only 3 points separating the 5 of us. That's 9 teams vying for 2 relegation places. If we were playing badly and getting hammered week in week out, I'd be a lot more concerned but we're not. As for confidence, we lost 6 in a row then won 3 in a row so, whilst it can be an issue, it can be easily overcome. I think we've got a chance of a good result against Brum, we seem to do better away from home, and the Wigan game will obviously also be important. I think these next two are very important as they all play Tues apart from us. In a week or two its Burton v Blackburn and Blackburn v Wigan so they will be picking up points unless we pray for draws. Should we really be relying on others, I guess yes is the answer.
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Post by Marc on Feb 12, 2017 11:15:37 GMT
Let's not hit the panic button just yet. There are currently 5 teams below us, one of which is pretty much already relegated. That leaves 2 spots up for grabs. We're currently 5 points above Blackburn and 8 above Wigan. Yes ,they've got a game in hand but their form doesn't exactly guarantee a win and they'd still need more wins to go above us. The games in midweek will give us a better idea though. Then look at the 4 teams above us, all in piss poor form and only 3 points separating the 5 of us. That's 9 teams vying for 2 relegation places. If we were playing badly and getting hammered week in week out, I'd be a lot more concerned but we're not. As for confidence, we lost 6 in a row then won 3 in a row so, whilst it can be an issue, it can be easily overcome. I think we've got a chance of a good result against Brum, we seem to do better away from home, and the Wigan game will obviously also be important. I think these next two are very important as they all play Tues apart from us. In a week or two its Burton v Blackburn and Blackburn v Wigan so they will be picking up points unless we pray for draws. Should we really be relying on others, I guess yes is the answer. Well, yes and no. Relying on others is part of the game so, to some degree, it will always be that way As for "Burton v Blackburn and Blackburn v Wigan", draws would be great (Blackburn v Rotherham certainly that) but would wins for either teams be that ad for us? It would also mean that teams below us are losing. If Blackburn win both games, in would keep Burton and Wigan below us but would likely take Blackburn above us so maybe that's a worst case scenario. I don't think Blackburn will win both games btw.
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Post by terryb on Feb 12, 2017 13:45:04 GMT
Should we change the manager? NO, NO, NO!
And that comes from somebody that was opposed to appoimting Ollie & still believes he was the wrong choice!
The last time that changing the manager helped us was whern Warnock arrived to save us from relegation in the 2009-10 season. There is nobody available that could have the same effect & we do not need asnother change of system!
Yesterday, I am largely in agreement with marsbowles & although we could have had a penalty for handball & perhaps rescuerd a point, we were totally outplayed in the first half. In fact (I missed the Newcastl;e match) I thought Huddersfield were the best side I've seen this season. Without a doubt they were helped by how we were set up to play & a lack of knowledge from the players of how to play the initial formation. A back three with Perch on the left & Pavel being limited in going forward due to his defensive work did not work. The Mackie influence was also nullified because our opponents were better than us & can play!
Therefore, I do lay the blame for the manner of this defeat with Holloway, but it was a match that we would have needed to be better than any game this season, if we were to win! To offset this, we are definitely playing better football & are more entertaining than we were prior to JFH being removed.
I suspect that 46 points will be enough to avoid relegation (it usually is) & I expect that we will achieve that. Which matches we will gain the points in I have no idea. Away to Leeds is just as likely as home to Forest for example. Away to Brum could bring three points, but it is just as likely to be a demoralising defeat.
Where he club do have a problem though, is that they can't expect any ST holders to purchase for next season until we know that the price reflects the division we are in.
We are far from being in a panic situation. The ride won't be easy, but then life isn't either!
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Post by londonranger on Feb 12, 2017 14:09:18 GMT
John Gregory baled out Gary Waddock. Neil Warnock bailed out Tango and Cash's manager a month lot. Well, maybe we don't need a bailer out, yet. Seems to me in our history we've always played better in March and April.
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Post by wrenboy61 on Feb 12, 2017 18:11:32 GMT
To the question of another manager my answer would be No!
In the first half yesterday we were out played by a decent side.Possibly only bettered down the Rangers this season by Newcastle who for me on that night are the best Championship side I have seen there over the years!
Ollie's building something at QPR and although not brilliant at the moment it is a vast improvement on the dross of JFH and the players look like they're really trying even though in some cases their ability doesn't allow them to compete at this level.
For me yesterday, the game was being bossed by their little bald number 10 (sorry don't know his name)who our midfield gave him far to much time on the ball especially Luongo who I've felt for a while now just isn't up to it. Slow around the pitch and always wrong side of his player. On 50 minutes Ollie realised it wasn't going to change and put Manning to left wing back (did well there) and moved Freeman into midfield with Luongo. Freeman got his toe straight in and showed the number 10 things are gonna change. Clattered him twice and the game turned around. Good management! Gave Manning and Luongo a bit of time, saw no improvement and changed it!
Feel the arrival of Matt Smith will help us scoring. Although I admit when I heard we were signing him I thought REALLY! But he impressed me yesterday. Won more headers in one game than the BFG did in all his games with us. Worked hard and occupied both centre backs. Can see a partnership between him and Washington working out well and will suit Washington as he's not a lone striker.
As for relegation, NO we won't be involved!
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Post by Ashdown_Ranger on Feb 12, 2017 18:47:41 GMT
I'm with Wren. No need to panic. We've put in some decent performances and yes, new players will have to gel in the squad.
We have enough quality and time to pull away. And others are getting drawn in... Forest are doing a Leicester at the moment.
In Oliie we trust (well I do anyay...)
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Post by rangerjake on Feb 12, 2017 19:56:47 GMT
No, no the new manage cycle is 12 to 18 months, it's too soon!
We should sack him around next October. That way we can hire someone new, wait for them to "settle", then they have to get their own players in so that brings us up to end of January. Then the PLAYERS have to settle so that takes us through the end of the season. Another transfer window in the summer, more settling and when we're lower mid-table in October 2018 we start the cycle again. All the while we'll play defensive football and average about half a goal a game.
it's really not that hard guys try to keep up.
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Post by harr on Feb 12, 2017 20:17:23 GMT
Relegation, we wont be involved?
We are already involved
Relegation battles dont just mean the three teams in the places but also the three - four scratching above them, ie QUEENS PARK RANGERS at this point in time.
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Post by wrenboy61 on Feb 12, 2017 21:31:22 GMT
Relegation, we wont be involved? We are already involved Relegation battles dont just mean the three teams in the places but also the three - four scratching above them, ie QUEENS PARK RANGERS at this point in time. We'll agree to disagree! I'm happy to have a 5 point gap and don't see Blackburn getting anything out of Sheffield Wednesday on Tuesday and although some are happy to think its all doom and gloom at Loftus Road I'm not one of them. Saturdays 2nd half performance against a very good side showed me there's something happening there and that's something I haven't been able to say for quite a long time. So yes I think we wont be involved at the end of the season!
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Post by harr on Feb 12, 2017 22:01:22 GMT
Relegation, we wont be involved? We are already involved Relegation battles dont just mean the three teams in the places but also the three - four scratching above them, ie QUEENS PARK RANGERS at this point in time. We'll agree to disagree! I'm happy to have a 5 point gap and don't see Blackburn getting anything out of Sheffield Wednesday on Tuesday and although some are happy to think its all doom and gloom at Loftus Road I'm not one of them. Saturdays 2nd half performance against a very good side showed me there's something happening there and that's something I haven't been able to say for quite a long time. So yes I think we wont be involved at the end of the season! ok cool ' fair enough Wren, each to there own if you feel we wont be in a relegation scrap at the end of the season but we are NOW?
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Post by harr on Feb 12, 2017 22:12:53 GMT
Points taken off bottom 5
Record against teams under us to date this season, not that is crucial to go on as we can sometimes do better against top teams.
Rotherham v QPR = 3 points Rotherham (1 game) QPR v Bristol City = 3 points QPR ( 1 game) QPR v Wigan = 3 points QPR (1 game) Burton v QPR = 4 points Burton, 1 point QPR (2 games) Blackburn v QPR = 4 points Blackburn , 1 point QPR ( 2 games )
7 games out of 10 played so far QPR = 8 points Opposing 5 teams under us in the League = 11 points
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Post by harr on Feb 12, 2017 22:15:11 GMT
Relegation, we wont be involved? We are already involved Relegation battles dont just mean the three teams in the places but also the three - four scratching above them, ie QUEENS PARK RANGERS at this point in time. We'll agree to disagree! I'm happy to have a 5 point gap and don't see Blackburn getting anything out of Sheffield Wednesday on Tuesday and although some are happy to think its all doom and gloom at Loftus Road I'm not one of them. Saturdays 2nd half performance against a very good side showed me there's something happening there and that's something I haven't been able to say for quite a long time. So yes I think we wont be involved at the end of the season! Just to clear one thing up Wren, I dont personally think its all doom and gloom down at LR but I do think we are in a relegation scrap.
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Post by nomar on Feb 12, 2017 22:22:48 GMT
Been preparing for relegation for months now and seen nothing to make me change my mind.
We might just have enough to stay up but, oddly, enough, whichever division we're in next season I'm looking forward to it.
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Post by Lonegunmen on Feb 13, 2017 0:27:40 GMT
This could be like Ollies last appointment here. Relegated and then the amazing journey and rebuild.
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Post by harr on Feb 13, 2017 7:31:38 GMT
Home wins the order tomorrow please, while we sit it out. Fulham Leeds Sheff Weds Wolves Reading Barnsley away win be nice too.
Aston Villa v Barnsley 19:45 Brighton & Hove Albion v Ipswich Town 19:45 Derby County v Cardiff City 19:45 Fulham v Nottingham Forest 19:45 Leeds United v Bristol City 19:45 Norwich City v Newcastle United 19:45 Preston North End v Birmingham City 19:45 Rotherham United v Huddersfield Town 19:45 Sheffield Wednesday v Blackburn Rovers 19:45 Wolverhampton Wanderers v Wigan Athletic 19:45 Reading v Brentford
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Post by harr on Feb 13, 2017 10:32:11 GMT
Back to the original question again. Again I say stop the panic and play football. Panic produces only one result - chaos and disaster. If anyone is seriously suggesting that we change managers again at this stage of the season after the current manager has just revamped the squad (again)I can only say give me some of what you are smoking! I was not in favour of the Ollie appointment and still think he was the wrong choice but making a change now, giving players their third manager in a season, and having just signed a bunch of players who a new manager may not want is ridiculous. At best it there is a slim chance that it may produce a short term "bounce" for a couple of games but then chaos as players do not know if they are in or out of favour and have to try to fit into yet another formation and style of playing. The answer is simple - we have to keep playing, keep improving, becoming more consistent and win a handful of matches. If we do not and we get relegated so be it - there are worse things in life and if we did go down but managed to hold on to this squad we should be straight back up anyway. No team is "too good" to be relegated and that includes us. Football is weird - just ask a few Leicester fans to explain how they can win the PL one season and face being relegated the next. Right now I would prefer to be in our position in the league than they are in theirs, and they will probably have less answers of "how do we get out of this" than we do. I dont think anyone is suggesting change Manager again 57, LondonR only suggested in jest I believe. We are Just really stating the obvious. Ollie has not started as we all would have hoped, he is getting less than 1 point a game in 15 games( in comparison to Warnocks 1.5 pts a game at Cardiff) 4 wins in 15 in comparison for a season is like winning 12 games in a season. In reply to the "What do we need to do " simple, win a couple of games and it all goes away. Wont get two better games against Birmingham and Wigan. Fail to win either of these and we may well be in the bottom three in three games time.
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