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Post by harr on Dec 11, 2016 21:42:55 GMT
4 points from 5 games, cant see many from the next 4 games... Harr, we generally pick up points when it is least expected, write us off at your peril. Umm Maybe. We cant score a single goal against a team conceding 45 and we cant keep clean sheets, not a great recipe for wins.
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Post by rangerjake on Dec 11, 2016 21:56:32 GMT
I've been thinking about it and my theory that QPR are best at sticking to their narrative could mean they actually get something from the upcoming tough run of games?
Is one of the QPR fan narratives not that we'll lose to the bottom of the table team, but then get something away to a top six team? Or vice versa?
I should try to keep track of the narratives....
1.) Always get skinned when we're on SKY 2.) Never get a "new manager bounce" 3.) Always provide a team that's struggling with their first win in ages. 4.) Incongruous performances against teams at opposite ends of the table.
Any others?
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Post by bowranger on Dec 12, 2016 10:09:40 GMT
I've been thinking about it and my theory that QPR are best at sticking to their narrative could mean they actually get something from the upcoming tough run of games? Is one of the QPR fan narratives not that we'll lose to the bottom of the table team, but then get something away to a top six team? Or vice versa? I should try to keep track of the narratives.... 1.) Always get skinned when we're on SKY 2.) Never get a "new manager bounce" 3.) Always provide a team that's struggling with their first win in ages. 4.) Incongruous performances against teams at opposite ends of the table. Any others? 5.) Will always concede a goal from a player who's not scored in ages/forever (Stead, Jensen, Doyley etc.). (Though on the positive side, we do have a track record for pulling results out the bag when things look dire - particularly under Holloway).
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Post by nomar on Dec 12, 2016 21:17:27 GMT
Same as we have now, 23 and in the bottom 3, where we'll stay for the rest of the season.
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Post by bowranger on Dec 13, 2016 9:54:59 GMT
Still feel like we won't go down, partly because for the recent dross we've also seen some good examples of what this group of players can do when played in the right positions and secondly cos Holloway has a track record with us of things going awful and then suddenly embarking on a run. Feel like we'll be lower midtable with a very dicey Christmas but do enough to be safe with a little bit of time to spare.
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Post by harr on Dec 13, 2016 10:25:16 GMT
Time will tell. Ian Holloway has history of getting players pumped and motivated in a fight. Whether this group of players fit into that bill is yet to be seen.
At the minute Rotherham are the only team I will confidently say will drop, even after beating us, would expect Fulham to put 3-4 past them tonight. Two more places up for grabs, hopefully not us.
We need points and quickly, who would of thought we would get less points this season than the 60 we got last, wasnt the plan that we should be moving forwards to a degree.
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Post by bowranger on Dec 13, 2016 16:15:09 GMT
Moving forward was the plan but we will never move forward changing managers every season, not even half way through the season. We need a stable foundation to move forward but every time someone tries to build a foundation they are kicked out due to impatience imo. I definitely agree. The thing this brings up for me is thinking about what fans actually want. Not what they say the want, but what they truly want. Cos I go on here and different messageboards now and again, reading opinions and it strikes me just how many people say stuff along the lines of "at the end of the day, all we want from QPR is a team that tries to win games and puts the effort in" and that the rest doesn't really matter. Over time I've come to think that actually, that's probably bollox, it's just the blame that gets transferred.
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Post by harr on Dec 13, 2016 21:56:22 GMT
Thankfully most of the bottom teams lost apart from Cardiff.
Wolves and Rotherham both won just one game in 10 games each , we know who that was....
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Post by bowranger on Dec 14, 2016 10:21:01 GMT
.....and Derby are going for their 7th win on the bounce. Which has taken them from the position we are in now into the top 6 before last nights results. Just shows that it can be done - one good run of results and we could be there as well. That's the Championship for you. It is the most difficult and unpredictable league in England if not in Europe even for the most stable of clubs - we just make it even more difficult for ourselves with constant behind the scenes changes Haha you got ahead of me there - was just gonna say that you can look at Derby who had one win in nine, scoring only three goals in the process and were in the relegation zone. Now they're seen (understandably) as a high quality team who are going to steamroller us. That's The Championship innit.
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Post by nomar on Dec 14, 2016 14:50:57 GMT
.....and Derby are going for their 7th win on the bounce. Which has taken them from the position we are in now into the top 6 before last nights results. Just shows that it can be done - one good run of results and we could be there as well. That's the Championship for you. It is the most difficult and unpredictable league in England if not in Europe even for the most stable of clubs - we just make it even more difficult for ourselves with constant behind the scenes changes Haha you got ahead of me there - was just gonna say that you can look at Derby who had one win in nine, scoring only three goals in the process and were in the relegation zone. Now they're seen (understandably) as a high quality team who are going to steamroller us. That's The Championship innit. Yes, things can change very quickly in this division, that's for sure. If we go down then we go down. The sun will still rise in the morning and I'll still be supporting QPR.
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Post by harr on Dec 14, 2016 15:01:58 GMT
Moving forward was the plan but we will never move forward changing managers every season, not even half way through the season. We need a stable foundation to move forward but every time someone tries to build a foundation they are kicked out due to impatience imo. This is very true but you have to make the correct appointment. Sadly when we got relegated, we never done that twice.
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Post by bowranger on Dec 14, 2016 15:51:15 GMT
Haha you got ahead of me there - was just gonna say that you can look at Derby who had one win in nine, scoring only three goals in the process and were in the relegation zone. Now they're seen (understandably) as a high quality team who are going to steamroller us. That's The Championship innit. Yes, things can change very quickly in this division, that's for sure. If we go down then we go down. The sun will still rise in the morning and I'll still be supporting QPR. With cheaper tickets, less of Sky mucking about with the fixture times, less media attention on us and grounds to visit that are either new or we havn't been to in ages. All making me feel a bit nostalgic now for the first Holloway stint haha.
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Post by nomar on Dec 14, 2016 21:43:08 GMT
Moving forward was the plan but we will never move forward changing managers every season, not even half way through the season. We need a stable foundation to move forward but every time someone tries to build a foundation they are kicked out due to impatience imo. This is very true but you have to make the correct appointment. Sadly when we got relegated, we never done that twice. Might have to do it a third tiime and hope we get it right.
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Post by harr on Dec 15, 2016 11:58:00 GMT
8 points from the last 10 games. 0.8 per game 15 points from first 11. 1.36 per game
23 pts from 21 another 25 games of 0.8 sees us with 43 pts
23 pts from 21 another 25 games of 1.36 sees us with 54 pts
So maybe we are heading between 43 and 54 points
That would see you relegated in quite a few cases. Not saying its going to happen but IMO we are massively underachieving for a second season.
So where does the blame lie then? And you cant just say because we change our Manager once a year.
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Post by harr on Dec 17, 2016 17:03:20 GMT
Oh, well when you are stuck near to the bottom as we are and not playing, nothing better than a load of late goals going in to help you.... Cardiff 3 Barsley 4 Sheff W 1 Rotherham 0 Wigan 2 Ipswich 3 Bristol C 1 Preston 2 Blackburn 2 Reading 3
Almost the perfect end of the matches apart from Wolves winning. But settle for those results. We just need to get something from Villa
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Post by Roller on Dec 17, 2016 17:29:46 GMT
8 points from the last 10 games. 0.8 per game 15 points from first 11. 1.36 per game 23 pts from 21 another 25 games of 0.8 sees us with 43 pts 23 pts from 21 another 25 games of 1.36 sees us with 54 pts So maybe we are heading between 43 and 54 points That would see you relegated in quite a few cases. Not saying its going to happen but IMO we are massively underachieving for a second season. So where does the blame lie then?And you cant just say because we change our Manager once a year. As with most situations there are many factors, but we are definitely struggling with FFP (or Know Your Place as Clive has re-christened it!). Too much of our budget is tied up on Sandro's and Caulker's wages and we are unable to take chances with a massive fine still hanging over our heads like the Sword of Damocles.
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Post by londonranger on Dec 17, 2016 17:56:56 GMT
The problem is mates, QPR has lost the knack of scoring goals.
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Post by londonranger on Dec 17, 2016 18:00:03 GMT
They've stopped remembering the way to do it.
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Post by sharky on Dec 17, 2016 23:50:22 GMT
Unfortunately 23
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Post by harr on Dec 18, 2016 8:35:25 GMT
Yeah we keep buying all these attacking midfielders, midfielder after midfielder after winger that can attack and help with scoring.
We have scored 20 goals in 21 games, pathetic. Only Wigan worse in the whole League.
A team that cant score and ALWAYS concedes, usually spells one thing, hence why we are falling down the table quicker than a sack of spuds thrown out a plane.
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Post by harr on Dec 18, 2016 15:46:05 GMT
4 points from 5 games, cant see many from the next 4 games... Harr, we generally pick up points when it is least expected, write us off at your peril. Well we didnt get many from the last two games, luckily I wasnt expecting many. Five games, no points and more worringly 1 goal. Brighton and Wolves away to come.........
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Post by tom007 on Dec 19, 2016 1:06:08 GMT
looks like my 42 points is looking good
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Post by harr on Dec 19, 2016 16:58:09 GMT
Anyone know when we last lost 5 straight games in the Championship was ? Just checked. We lost 5 in a row 2010 Jan - Feb before Warnock took over ....
We only scored one goal in those 5 games too. Forest 5 QPR 0 QPR 0 Sc-nthorpe 1 Peterboro 1 QPR 0 QPR 1 Ipswich 2 Coventry 1 QPR 0
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Post by Ashdown_Ranger on Dec 19, 2016 17:35:46 GMT
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Post by harr on Dec 19, 2016 19:39:20 GMT
I think I would take 21st right now Ashdown. Rotherham will drop. I wouldnt write the other two off just yet. Massive game at the bottom this Weekend Rotherham v Wigan. Already hoping for a draw or Rotherham win. Never thought in August I woud hoping 5 others stay beneath us, funny old game. We are a bit of a shambles at the minute sadly, in fact we we have gone backwards this season on last.
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Post by harr on Dec 19, 2016 22:44:44 GMT
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Post by harr on Dec 26, 2016 18:59:39 GMT
For the second week, table been kind to us again.
Blackburn, Wigan , Bristol City , Burton, Ipswich, Forset losses. Win for Rotherham and draw for Cardiff and Brentford.
Need to start picking up points when we get the Brighton fixture out the way.
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Post by Macmoish on Dec 27, 2016 11:13:53 GMT
I wonder if this continues, whether we'll stick with Holloway.
Fernandes appointments have been short; but they've all been at least over half a year. Plus dont see how he can have the "Face" to do another axing.
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Post by nomar on Dec 27, 2016 13:29:57 GMT
None of us need this guy or a supercomputer to tell us this. We all know that as it presently stands we're going to get relegated. At least one of the bottom 3 is going to put a run together and get out of this. We look like prime candidates to keep freefalling all the way from now till the end of the season. Sad thing is, I'm not bothered if we drop this time around. It's happened to Wolves, Bolton and Bristol City recently and they all came back stronger for it. If we go down this team is good enough to walk League One if they apply themselves to the task. I'd rather watch us walk that League than struggle in this one. League One with Ollie will be fun.
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Post by Macmoish on Dec 27, 2016 14:28:52 GMT
If we go down, no reason to think we'll bounce back. OR that these players will stick will us or produce
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