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Post by bornarangersfan on Sept 13, 2016 22:01:31 GMT
I saw a Polish player tonight who was useless. The midfield was crap. Is our manager so arrogant that he won't play Sandro? At least he can dominate the middle ground. JFH - useless manager!
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Post by sharky on Sept 13, 2016 23:19:51 GMT
I'd play Luongo when he's recovered from his illness before Sandro
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Post by bowranger on Sept 14, 2016 9:33:21 GMT
Because Sandro wants to leave and because he isn't going to be here long term. Because he is not consistently fit enough to play football, regardless of his ability. Because he has averaged playing about 1 in 3 games from his time at Spurs to his time at QPR - which means if you play him, you have to re-jig the midfield every time he's available/unfit (like when Fitz Hall seemed contractually obliged to have to play whenever he was fit). Because that destroys cohesion in midfield in a team full of new faces that needs consistency. Because loads of respected managers repeatedly say that if you're moving in new players in a new system on a different wage structure, you need to isolate them from players in the old system because it's awkward and damaging to team spirit - e.g. Kenny Jackett restructuring at Wolves or Nigel Clough at Derby. Even JFH has said that if Sandro keeps working hard and stays fit, he'll be considered for a place, just like anyone else. But that depends on Sandro's attitude, fitness and where his future lies.
Difference of opinion but I don't reckon I've seen him dominate the middle ground for QPR more than about two or three times in his whole time here.
Pawel Wszolek is the name of the Polish player, proper easy just to google that. He's a winger and Sandro is a centre mid, I don't get what that's got to do with it?
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Post by harr on Sept 14, 2016 10:41:28 GMT
Some good points stated about the game last night.
We do miss Luongo when he doesnt play for sure. Maybe a bloke called Ale would have given us some midfield bite, sadly he didnt want to play for us as a bit part player under the high tempo style. Shame, sure he had at least one more season in him.
I think we have to move on from Sandro ? Didnt the Manager say recently he wasnt part of his plans now? Possibly wrong.
We will have to make do with what we have but if Teams like Preston can come to Loftus Road and dominate as they did and Newcastle score six comfortably, I think our home form is going to be nowhere as good as we hoped this season. I mean we expected a loss yesterday but picking up one point against teams like Preston and Blackburn will only keep us mid table or possibly lower. Anyhow 39 games to go.... starting at Huddersfield, they need to ideally show a response after that drubbing.
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Post by blatantfowl on Sept 14, 2016 10:58:47 GMT
Because Sandro wants to leave and because he isn't going to be here long term. Because he is not consistently fit enough to play football, regardless of his ability. Because he has averaged playing about 1 in 3 games from his time at Spurs to his time at QPR - which means if you play him, you have to re-jig the midfield every time he's available/unfit (like when Fitz Hall seemed contractually obliged to have to play whenever he was fit). Because that destroys cohesion in midfield in a team full of new faces that needs consistency. Because loads of respected managers repeatedly say that if you're moving in new players in a new system on a different wage structure, you need to isolate them from players in the old system because it's awkward and damaging to team spirit - e.g. Kenny Jackett restructuring at Wolves or Nigel Clough at Derby. Even JFH has said that if Sandro keeps working hard and stays fit, he'll be considered for a place, just like anyone else. But that depends on Sandro's attitude, fitness and where his future lies. Difference of opinion but I don't reckon I've seen him dominate the middle ground for QPR more than about two or three times in his whole time here. Pawel Wszolek is the name of the Polish player, proper easy just to google that. He's a winger and Sandro is a centre mid, I don't get what that's got to do with it? Wszolek came on when Perch was injured. How did the team set up after that Bow?
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Post by bowranger on Sept 14, 2016 11:40:18 GMT
Because Sandro wants to leave and because he isn't going to be here long term. Because he is not consistently fit enough to play football, regardless of his ability. Because he has averaged playing about 1 in 3 games from his time at Spurs to his time at QPR - which means if you play him, you have to re-jig the midfield every time he's available/unfit (like when Fitz Hall seemed contractually obliged to have to play whenever he was fit). Because that destroys cohesion in midfield in a team full of new faces that needs consistency. Because loads of respected managers repeatedly say that if you're moving in new players in a new system on a different wage structure, you need to isolate them from players in the old system because it's awkward and damaging to team spirit - e.g. Kenny Jackett restructuring at Wolves or Nigel Clough at Derby. Even JFH has said that if Sandro keeps working hard and stays fit, he'll be considered for a place, just like anyone else. But that depends on Sandro's attitude, fitness and where his future lies. Difference of opinion but I don't reckon I've seen him dominate the middle ground for QPR more than about two or three times in his whole time here. Pawel Wszolek is the name of the Polish player, proper easy just to google that. He's a winger and Sandro is a centre mid, I don't get what that's got to do with it? Wszolek came on when Perch was injured. How did the team set up after that Bow? I think I've tried to block it out of my mind, to be honest haha. IIRC, it didn't actually change very much (which is why I was initially confused about Perch being there in the first place - presumed he was to man-mark someone but he clearly wasn't). Wszolek and N'Gbakoto on the wings, Cousins and Henry doing a sort of fetch and carry routine in the middle that didn't really get going, with Chery advanced in front of them, sometimes dropping back to receive the ball (but not as much as he did against Blackburn), Washington up top on his tod. With about half an hour to go, Sylla came on for N'Gbakoto and we went two up front but that was the only real change in shape that I recall during the whole game.
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Post by steveb66 on Sept 14, 2016 12:12:06 GMT
It changed very little, although Wszolek and Sylla did look as if they were trying to get things going. We were just pressed by Newcastle from start to finish and we clearly did not have the mindset or ability to deal with their game plan. I dont think Onouha is the right Captain but unlike when we had a Hill or a Barton or a Derry its hard to spot a clear leader in our squad.
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Post by Lonegunmen on Sept 14, 2016 19:58:20 GMT
Do we actually have a Captain? A leader who inspires us when things are not going right, a leader by example, a leader who can change the gqme plan if it is not working for us? Have we really got a Captain?
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Post by NO1QPRNZ on Sept 16, 2016 22:31:03 GMT
For a start play a settled Team don`t make changes unless there are Injuries.we have new Players to blend in. Lets play the same Team for this w/e and play the same Team Vs Sunderland.
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Post by gladstoneparkranger on Sept 16, 2016 23:14:34 GMT
Bidwell is obvious captain .. Out wide is where the questions need to be asked! I'd look for specialist right back and play a 4-3-3 with personnel we have whether or not it's the way I'd like to set up.
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Post by sharky on Sept 17, 2016 0:54:26 GMT
For a start play a settled Team don`t make changes unless there are Injuries.we have new Players to blend in. Lets play the same Team for this w/e and play the same Team Vs Sunderland. No, I want Polter and Luongo, who are now fit, back please!
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Post by Roller on Sept 17, 2016 6:46:40 GMT
Bidwell is obvious captain .. Out wide is where the questions need to be asked! I'd look for specialist right back and play a 4-3-3 with personnel we have whether or not it's the way I'd like to set up. Absolutely agree about Bidwell. Onuoha needs a break but won't get one due to injuries, but at least we should get a chance to see what Lynch is made of - I liked what I saw of him against Watford.
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Post by Macmoish on Sept 17, 2016 7:43:43 GMT
I'd play Sandro - at least on the bench...
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Post by sharky on Sept 17, 2016 13:17:57 GMT
I'd play Sandro - at least on the bench... Not in the Huddersfield line-up or on the bench!
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Post by londonranger on Sept 17, 2016 16:18:36 GMT
He don't want to play for us. We went through that in the Prem., all those high priced loafers. Sandro should just go shopping have a few beers and tune in for score, if he's interested.
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Post by NO1QPRNZ on Sept 19, 2016 10:00:31 GMT
I Bet Sandro plays against Sunderland. I would play Washington on the left in a 4-1-2-3
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Post by sharky on Sept 19, 2016 11:19:03 GMT
I Bet Sandro plays against Sunderland. I would play Washington on the left in a 4-1-2-3 Agreed I recon they'll play Sandro
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Post by NO1QPRNZ on Sept 22, 2016 9:45:38 GMT
Well Sandro played and Scored he may be lacking Match Fitness for a complete performance yet? Washington played on the flank and played well. Two young Lads at fullback positions,a new Captain, the rest of Team played well but we lost!it`s better to come off feeling good in yourselves even after a loss better things to come me thinks!!! Now Come on UuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuRrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrSsssssssssssssssssssssssssssss.
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Post by NO1QPRNZ on Sept 22, 2016 9:51:50 GMT
Oh yes a sincere thanks Jimmy for the changes it seemed to work out OK. Here`s to more success for the Team.
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Post by sharky on Sept 22, 2016 10:45:44 GMT
From westlondonsport www.westlondonsport.com/qpr/football-wls-will-sandro-play-birmingham-qpr-boss-gives-responseHasselbaink suggests Sandro could keep QPR placeBy David McIntyre 22/09/2016 Jimmy Floyd Hasselbaink says there is a chance Sandro could keep his place in the QPR starting line-up. The Brazilian midfielder has not featured in the league for Rangers this season and both parties were keen for him to move on during the recent transfer window. Sandro was given a run-out and scored in Wednesday’s 2-1 defeat against Sunderland in the EFL Cup third round, having scored twice against Rochdale in the previous round. Asked if he is now tempted to select the player for league matches, manager Hasselbaink said: “Sandro has got that quality – we all know that. “I said when I spoke to him after the transfer window closed that he will be judged on what he does in training and in games and he will be treated like the others. “He had a desire to go, but he’s still here and is still my player. He’s conducting himself really well in training and is pushing himself forward for that starting position. “If you see how much work he has done in the first half, he did very well and I was happy with the performance.” Hasselbaink also praised youngsters Osman Kakay and Niko Hämäläinen, who featured in the game against the Black Cats. Rangers are at home to Birmingham City on Saturday.
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Post by dorsetqpr on Sept 22, 2016 11:03:18 GMT
Surely he's only gonna get match fit by playing in matches, even if it means only a half or 60 mins etc.
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Post by Lonegunmen on Sept 22, 2016 23:15:33 GMT
So will the two youngsters keep their places or be mothballed until loaned out and then sold as per normal?
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Post by Roller on Sept 23, 2016 19:54:42 GMT
So will the two youngsters keep their places or be mothballed until loaned out and then sold as per normal? They only played because it was the League Cup, it is not really "their places" to keep. Personally I would play Kakay though, but I'm more interested to see if Lynch starts. I'd pick him ahead of Caulker, just as I'd pick Borysiuk ahead of Sandro.
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Post by harr on Sept 23, 2016 20:56:51 GMT
Interested if Sandro is on the bench tomorrow, or even plays apart, few weeks ago JFH ...... “There are people in front of him. Jordan Cousins, Ariel, Karl, Massimo – they are all in front of him
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Post by sharky on Sept 24, 2016 15:01:35 GMT
Misses out again v Birmingham. Why?
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Post by Lonegunmen on Sept 24, 2016 17:06:33 GMT
Sorry Roller, Caulker scored and probably saved JFH his job.
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Post by nomar on Sept 24, 2016 19:29:39 GMT
Because Sandro wants to leave and because he isn't going to be here long term. Because he is not consistently fit enough to play football, regardless of his ability. Because he has averaged playing about 1 in 3 games from his time at Spurs to his time at QPR - which means if you play him, you have to re-jig the midfield every time he's available/unfit (like when Fitz Hall seemed contractually obliged to have to play whenever he was fit). Because that destroys cohesion in midfield in a team full of new faces that needs consistency. Because loads of respected managers repeatedly say that if you're moving in new players in a new system on a different wage structure, you need to isolate them from players in the old system because it's awkward and damaging to team spirit - e.g. Kenny Jackett restructuring at Wolves or Nigel Clough at Derby. Even JFH has said that if Sandro keeps working hard and stays fit, he'll be considered for a place, just like anyone else. But that depends on Sandro's attitude, fitness and where his future lies. Difference of opinion but I don't reckon I've seen him dominate the middle ground for QPR more than about two or three times in his whole time here. Pawel Wszolek is the name of the Polish player, proper easy just to google that. He's a winger and Sandro is a centre mid, I don't get what that's got to do with it? This. With a side helping of this and a big bowl of this for dessert too!!!
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Post by Roller on Sept 24, 2016 20:09:21 GMT
Sorry Roller, Caulker scored and probably saved JFH his job. I'm sure that you are not seriously suggesting that because Caulker scored a goal that makes him a better defender. Have a look at the repeat of their goal, where is he? The answer is trying to close down their wide man. Dereliction of duty or covering for his captain? I think that he lacks concentration and application and will cost us points. As for "Why not play Sandro"? Two words: Ariel Borysiuk. Man of the Match for me. He is far more mobile than Sandro, tackles better than Sandro and passes better than Sandro. Our scouting team should be congratulated for finding him.
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Post by Lonegunmen on Sept 24, 2016 21:04:24 GMT
Thanks for the update.
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Post by sharky on Sept 27, 2016 14:02:49 GMT
Looks like he might play tonight. From westlondonsport www.westlondonsport.com/qpr/sandro-qpr-squad-burton-game?Sandro in QPR squad for Burton gameBy David McIntyre 27/09/2016 Sandro has been included in the QPR squad for tonight’s game at Burton. The Brazilian midfielder has not played a league game this season but scored in the recent EFL Cup defeat by Sunderland and netted twice in the previous round against Rochdale. Rangers have a number of injury concerns ahead of the game against manager Jimmy Floyd Hasselbaink’s former club. They include doubts over Jordan Cousins and striker Sebastian Polter, who picked up injuries in Saturday’s 1-1 draw against Birmingham. Cousins strained a hamstring, while Polter left Loftus Road on crutches after suffering an ankle injury.
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