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Post by harr on Feb 25, 2016 12:19:56 GMT
With just 2 wins in 15 we certainly are going in a different direction...... lower Harry of course did a brilliant job, probably harder than we gave him credit for.
QPR ‘going in a different direction’ – Hasselbaink
By West London Sport 25/02/2016
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Jimmy Floyd Hasselbaink insists QPR’s season should not be viewed as a failure if they fail to reach the play-offs.
Hasselbaink landed the job as Rangers manager in November after Chris Ramsey was axed because the club were not challenging for promotion.
They have since won just two of their 15 matches under the Dutchman, are 13th in the Championship table and look unlikely to make the top six.
“You always want to get as high as possible,” said Hasselbaink, whose side are 13 points adrift of the play-off places.
“But QPR have been relegated from the Premier League and everybody thinks it’s easy just to come back, and it isn’t.
“A lot of things have happened at the club and a lot of changes have happened.
“At the moment we are going in a different direction – a direction where we need to build and need to sustain the club in the right way.
“Of course we’d like to finish in the top six and get promoted, but you have to be realistic.”
Rangers face Birmingham City at Loftus Road on Saturday and hope Alejandro Faurlin will be fit to return after a thigh problem.
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Post by nomar on Feb 25, 2016 13:01:00 GMT
I don't mind the direction we're going in.
Just think they should've waited till the end of this season before appointing a new manager.
Still, its done now. I just hope they give Jimmy time to actually see the job through.
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Post by alfaranger on Feb 25, 2016 13:39:38 GMT
With just 2 wins in 15 we certainly are going in a different direction...... lower Harry of course did a brilliant job, probably harder than we gave him credit for. QPR ‘going in a different direction’ – Hasselbaink By West London Sport 25/02/2016 jimmyfloydhasselbaink Jimmy Floyd Hasselbaink insists QPR’s season should not be viewed as a failure if they fail to reach the play-offs. Hasselbaink landed the job as Rangers manager in November after Chris Ramsey was axed because the club were not challenging for promotion. They have since won just two of their 15 matches under the Dutchman, are 13th in the Championship table and look unlikely to make the top six. “You always want to get as high as possible,” said Hasselbaink, whose side are 13 points adrift of the play-off places. “But QPR have been relegated from the Premier League and everybody thinks it’s easy just to come back, and it isn’t.“A lot of things have happened at the club and a lot of changes have happened. “At the moment we are going in a different direction – a direction where we need to build and need to sustain the club in the right way. “Of course we’d like to finish in the top six and get promoted, but you have to be realistic.” Rangers face Birmingham City at Loftus Road on Saturday and hope Alejandro Faurlin will be fit to return after a thigh problem. Hull City, Burnley. Not saying they're finding it easy but they're making a helluva fist of it so far.
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Post by harr on Feb 25, 2016 13:50:35 GMT
I don't mind the direction we're going in. Just think they should've waited till the end of this season before appointing a new manager. Still, its done now. I just hope they give Jimmy time to actually see the job through. Totally agree we should have waited until May. Your right its done now.
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Post by harr on Feb 25, 2016 13:57:36 GMT
With just 2 wins in 15 we certainly are going in a different direction...... lower Harry of course did a brilliant job, probably harder than we gave him credit for. QPR ‘going in a different direction’ – Hasselbaink By West London Sport 25/02/2016 jimmyfloydhasselbaink Jimmy Floyd Hasselbaink insists QPR’s season should not be viewed as a failure if they fail to reach the play-offs. Hasselbaink landed the job as Rangers manager in November after Chris Ramsey was axed because the club were not challenging for promotion. They have since won just two of their 15 matches under the Dutchman, are 13th in the Championship table and look unlikely to make the top six. “You always want to get as high as possible,” said Hasselbaink, whose side are 13 points adrift of the play-off places. “But QPR have been relegated from the Premier League and everybody thinks it’s easy just to come back, and it isn’t.“A lot of things have happened at the club and a lot of changes have happened. “At the moment we are going in a different direction – a direction where we need to build and need to sustain the club in the right way. “Of course we’d like to finish in the top six and get promoted, but you have to be realistic.” Rangers face Birmingham City at Loftus Road on Saturday and hope Alejandro Faurlin will be fit to return after a thigh problem. Hull City, Burnley. Not saying they're finding it easy but they're making a helluva fist of it so far. I suppose in there favour they kept Bruce and Dyche . They did have a high turn over of staff like us but slightly than us, not drastically different though. Harry R certainly did a mammoth job and I feel a bit guilty of not giving him more credit than he maybe deserved getting us in that top six after so much turmoil. Ramsey and JFH in comparison have been at 2/3rds of Harrys pace. Still maybe if he keeps talking it down it may mean more QPR fans expect less but I doubt it. I still think if we start off at 1 point a game from August to October he will join all the others, no matter what TF says.
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Post by nomar on Feb 25, 2016 15:22:00 GMT
Hull City, Burnley. Not saying they're finding it easy but they're making a helluva fist of it so far. I suppose in there favour they kept Bruce and Dyche . They did have a high turn over of staff like us but slightly than us, not drastically different though. Harry R certainly did a mammoth job and I feel a bit guilty of not giving him more credit than he maybe deserved getting us in that top six after so much turmoil. Ramsey and JFH in comparison have been at 2/3rds of Harrys pace. Still maybe if he keeps talking it down it may mean more QPR fans expect less but I doubt it. I still think if we start off at 1 point a game from August to October he will join all the others, no matter what TF says. Different circumstances and those teams are run differently from QPR. Necessary as it was, how many of the atarting 11 for us on Tuesday night started for us in the last game we played in the Prem last season? Compare that with Hull and Burnley. I'd say all 3 teams are fairly placed considering everything thats happened to each of us this season. I'm not sure why people are overly critical of JFH's record though. As far as I'm concerned if he keeps us up this season that would be a success for me. A few more wins would be nice though.
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Post by sharky on Feb 25, 2016 15:58:10 GMT
2 wins in 15 games, yes but how many draws? We are the draw masters of the Championship and JFH is the king of the draw masters!
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Post by terryb on Feb 25, 2016 18:10:39 GMT
Harry R did a good job?
At the prices & wages we were paying all of his staff & players I don't think so!
That was possibly the worst Championship I can recall & some of the away performances make the recent Fulham game look decent!
Don't forget that we are still waiting to find out how much we have to pay in FFP for his "sucess".
IMO he rates alongside Docherty as the two managers that took the piss out of us & gave nothing in return. We should never have appointed him & accepted that we were already relegated & started re-building when Hughes went.
Yes, I am disappointed that we are not playing better than at present, but our record & league position are exactly as I expected this season. Give me JFH's draws any day over the under performing dross that edknapp served up!
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Post by harr on Feb 25, 2016 20:07:57 GMT
Harry R did a good job? At the prices & wages we were paying all of his staff & players I don't think so! That was possibly the worst Championship I can recall & some of the away performances make the recent Fulham game look decent! Don't forget that we are still waiting to find out how much we have to pay in FFP for his "sucess". IMO he rates alongside Docherty as the two managers that took the piss out of us & gave nothing in return. We should never have appointed him & accepted that we were already relegated & started re-building when Hughes went. Yes, I am disappointed that we are not playing better than at present, but our record & league position are exactly as I expected this season. Give me JFH's draws any day over the under performing dross that edknapp served up! Dont recall Redknapp serving up dross when he got us promoted? He got us promoted in one season and with alot of turmoil. It would take Ramsey and co 20 seasons, including the ones to get us back up from League two and one. If you think the kid coach Ramsey and JFH have done better then fair play to you. We will end up with little over 50 points, Redknapp achieved like Warnock over 80.
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Post by Roller on Feb 25, 2016 20:27:51 GMT
Dont recall Redknapp serving up dross when he got us promoted? He got us promoted in one season and with alot of turmoil. It would take Ramsey and co 20 seasons, including the ones to get us back up from League two and one. If you think the kid coach Ramsey and JFH have done better then fair play to you. We will end up with little over 50 points, Redknapp achieved like Warnock over 80. The dross depends if you are focusing on performances or results. Our performances were, as a rule, abysmal, but because we had a the largest budget in the division by a country mile we just managed to squeeze up by the skin of our teeth. There is no way that Redknapp would have got us promoted on the budget that we are now running, I think that he would probably have just walked (or limped) away.
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Post by harr on Feb 25, 2016 20:44:53 GMT
Dont recall Redknapp serving up dross when he got us promoted? He got us promoted in one season and with alot of turmoil. It would take Ramsey and co 20 seasons, including the ones to get us back up from League two and one. If you think the kid coach Ramsey and JFH have done better then fair play to you. We will end up with little over 50 points, Redknapp achieved like Warnock over 80. The dross depends if you are focusing on performances or results. Our performances were, as a rule, abysmal, but because we had a the largest budget in the division by a country mile we just managed to squeeze up by the skin of our teeth. There is no way that Redknapp would have got us promoted on the budget that we are now running, I think that he would probably have just walked (or limped) away. Its a Results business . If we played crap every week but ended the season with 75 points, would you really be upset? Warnocks games were not pretty, werent even this year but he grinds out results. Sometimes boring results but you could say now we grind out draws and still look poor against bottom teams Fulham and Bolton ? Look Im not saying everything about Harry R was great Roller. Look at the squad he had, look at the squad we started this season with, Including Green,Austin,Fer,Sandro etc. I dont buy our team was that weak when we started in August. Tony and the board went down the road of they wanted Redknapp to get back up, they gave him what he wanted and he achieved it, promotion, it was there call. Rednapp just did what they wanted. You cant just say its all about budget either. Other teams have spent less on there budgets in the Championship and doing better than us this season. Other Managers are maybe doing better than us to with much weaker squads and salaries. Look at Rowlett, the guy who set up the Burton team for JFH then went to Birmingham who were 3 rd from Bottom 20 games later had them finish the season 10th-11th. Rowett had immediate success at Birmingham with a very poor team. So how poor is our team then, worse than one was 3rd from bottom? Then a year later Birmingham in the top 7 and not a budget and with bigger / better players than us. My real point re Redknapp is he got us promoted at first time of asking and thats as easy as made out and deserves a little credit.
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Post by harr on Feb 25, 2016 21:51:47 GMT
The Queens Park Rangers owner has been discussing Premier League leaders Leicester.
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Tony Fernandes has compared his club to Leicester City and outlined their new long-term plan, according to QPR's official Youtube channel.
Indeed, the owner feels there is a fine line between Leicester's success and QPR's current plight - as they were both new to the Premier League last season.
And Fernandes said: "Look at Leicester. Confidence breeds confidence. Failure breeds failure. Now, we’re in a position where we can do what we want to do. It’ll take us a couple of seasons but we can build an academy where we can go up and then stay up."
The Leicester story will no doubt make QPR fans feel even worse about their current situation.
Had QPR stayed up, they may not necessarily be top of the Premier League but they could have stabilised themselves within the top flight
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Post by Roller on Feb 25, 2016 22:45:44 GMT
Its a Results business . If we played crap every week but ended the season with 75 points, would you really be upset? Warnocks games were not pretty, werent even this year but he grinds out results. Sometimes boring results but you could say now we grind out draws and still look poor against bottom teams Fulham and Bolton ? Look Im not saying everything about Harry R was great Roller. Look at the squad he had, look at the squad we started this season with, Including Green,Austin,Fer,Sandro etc. I dont buy our team was that weak when we started in August. Tony and the board went down the road of they wanted Redknapp to get back up, they gave him what he wanted and he achieved it, promotion, it was there call. Rednapp just did what they wanted. You cant just say its all about budget either. Other teams have spent less on there budgets in the Championship and doing better than us this season. Other Managers are maybe doing better than us to with much weaker squads and salaries. Look at Rowlett, the guy who set up the Burton team for JFH then went to Birmingham who were 3 rd from Bottom 20 games later had them finish the season 10th-11th. Rowett had immediate success at Birmingham with a very poor team. So how poor is our team then, worse than one was 3rd from bottom? Then a year later Birmingham in the top 7 and not a budget and with bigger / better players than us. My real point re Redknapp is he got us promoted at first time of asking and thats as easy as made out and deserves a little credit. That's a bit of a scattergun post Harr with all sort of thoughts that I'd argue with if I had time. I think that our main difference will always be this though. I may be the only one with this view on this forum, but football is not all about the result to me. During Redknapp's promotion season I had many arguments as to how the season was going, I was not happy even when we were pulling clear at the top. I clearly remember a very impassioned argument with an Irish fan after a particularly turgid 1 - 0 victory over Birmingham. I go to Loftus Road to be entertained, the day I accept that football is only about the result is the day I stop going.
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Post by sharky on Feb 25, 2016 22:53:09 GMT
Agree with Roller. My son went and saw Perth Glory beat Brisbane Roar 6-3 last weekend and said it was the best game of football he's ever seen. And, he's watched football all over the world, including the Rs win over WBA at Loftus Rd last season when we came back from 2-0 down to win 3-2
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Post by harr on Feb 25, 2016 23:17:27 GMT
Its a Results business . If we played crap every week but ended the season with 75 points, would you really be upset? Warnocks games were not pretty, werent even this year but he grinds out results. Sometimes boring results but you could say now we grind out draws and still look poor against bottom teams Fulham and Bolton ? Look Im not saying everything about Harry R was great Roller. Look at the squad he had, look at the squad we started this season with, Including Green,Austin,Fer,Sandro etc. I dont buy our team was that weak when we started in August. Tony and the board went down the road of they wanted Redknapp to get back up, they gave him what he wanted and he achieved it, promotion, it was there call. Rednapp just did what they wanted. You cant just say its all about budget either. Other teams have spent less on there budgets in the Championship and doing better than us this season. Other Managers are maybe doing better than us to with much weaker squads and salaries. Look at Rowlett, the guy who set up the Burton team for JFH then went to Birmingham who were 3 rd from Bottom 20 games later had them finish the season 10th-11th. Rowett had immediate success at Birmingham with a very poor team. So how poor is our team then, worse than one was 3rd from bottom? Then a year later Birmingham in the top 7 and not a budget and with bigger / better players than us. My real point re Redknapp is he got us promoted at first time of asking and thats as easy as made out and deserves a little credit. That's a bit of a scattergun post Harr with all sort of thoughts that I'd argue with if I had time. I think that our main difference will always be this though. I may be the only one with this view on this forum, but football is not all about the result to me. During Redknapp's promotion season I had many arguments as to how the season was going, I was not happy even when we were pulling clear at the top. I clearly remember a very impassioned argument with an Irish fan after a particularly turgid 1 - 0 victory over Birmingham. I go to Loftus Road to be entertained, the day I accept that football is only about the result is the day I stop going. It was pretty scattergun post I agree Roller and of course I know we love to be entertained. You could argue that Ramsey entertained us this season as we used to score 2-3 goals every week but we ended up conceding as many and losing. Entertaining football and winning is great dont get me wrong. But realistically how many teams in the Championship are entertaining and win. Its such a tough League, you have to grind out some tough 1-0 away wins if you ever want to get out this League. We cant even entertain at the minute when we have no real pressure on us stuck in the middle of the table, we barely score more than one goal and generally concede at least one. I would love to win this League in 2 years time with JFH as the Manager playing entertaining week in week out but cant see it happening. Anyhow I dont want to argue over it My real point was just thought that Redknapp achieved a promotion in his first year and its not as easy as some of us think it is. He did however buy some really poor expensive players that the board let him and our owners paid these players some huge wages which was all bad for the club and fully understand other posters comments saying how much he spent and on that budget anyone could have got promotion. I dont seem to recall too many saying they were all crap when we bought all these players Like Phillips, Caulker, Fer, Mutch, Sandro, McCarthy though Roller Whats stopping JFH playing some attacking football now, using Chery for one a bit more. Getting outplayed by Fulham, getting a last minute goal at Bolton were not neither attacking games thats good to watch or games that got us excited. Maybe this is our level whoever manages us ? So far Though I would say our football has not been that attacking or winning games (2 from 15) So thats 0 from 2 really, JFH team isnt ticking either box just yet.
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Post by nadera78 on Feb 26, 2016 11:36:38 GMT
Redknapp's year in the Championship we spent £80million on wages alone. That's an astronomical sum, truly astounding. And for that price we just about scraped promotion and played some atrocious football along the way.
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Post by Marc on Feb 26, 2016 12:26:01 GMT
Redknapp's year in the Championship we spent £80million on wages alone. That's an astronomical sum, truly astounding. And for that price we just about scraped promotion and played some atrocious football along the way. How much of that £80m was paid out to Redknapp's signings though?
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Post by nomar on Feb 26, 2016 12:48:59 GMT
Is there any point to this?
Redknapp got us up and yet again we messed up as a club.
The past can't be changed but we can have a big effect on what kind of club QPR is going forward.
I think partly by default and partly by design we're starting to return back to running QPR the way it should be run. It takes time and there's still the next swathe of biggish money underperformers to get shot of yet.
But at least we seem to be going away from the big name mercenaries and getting in proper footballers with realistic salary expectations.
That'll do for me for starters.
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Post by harr on Feb 26, 2016 12:58:18 GMT
There are certainly some big spenders in this Division spending 10 Million plus on individual players and we dont know what wages or wage structures they have in place. Boro and Derby have spent millions the last couple of windows, then you a host of others. They wont all be getting promoted. So it stands that HR did was he was asked, got us promoted by hook or by crook but he achieved his goal and th owners were prepared to let him go down that way. My point being lots of other Managers in this Division have probably spent quite close to HR but not achieved an instant or promotion at all. If Redknapp was allowed to spend this, you cant blame him, only the people that gave him the green light to do so.
Any way onwards and upwards to Birmingham, hopefully a win and and an entertaining one.
Oh and regarding entertainment value, JFH 14 games 15 goals 1.07 goals per game. Win ratio to date 14 % Ramsey 15 games 22 goals. 1.46 goals per game . Win ratio 26%
Work in progress wins and entertainment?
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Post by bowranger on Feb 26, 2016 14:23:42 GMT
I think part of that with clubs like Boro is that the value of what they spend is contextual. We piled money up front and gambled the farm on going up - we just about managed it but sowed the seeds for problems in the future, financially. For Boro, they have certainly splashed it on signings like Rhodes but they were in a very realistic promotion position when dropping £9m (currently in third with 2 games in hand on second, one in hand on first and 2 points off the top about 3 weeks after the signing, for example) and were adding onto a relatively settled side. It's a "get us over the line" signing in direct comparison to the dozens of millions they'd get for going up. Derby went through years and years of restructuring under Clough but now just seem to be bottling it after making some bigger signings.
Agree with others that it's kinda moot now, but I don't think the Warnock/Redknapp performance comparison is necessarily fair. My recollection is that Redknapp had us largely playing bleak football with a heavy reliance on Austin getting us out of trouble and treating plenty of away games as "bonuses" (and credit where credit's due, we did go up) whereas our time under Warnock with his side had us playing some of the most exciting football I've seen QPR play in my lifetime (not including the games he was in charge of this season).
As an aside, I still find it interesting/heartening that pundits looking at QPR from afar have now kind of just written us off and acknowledged that we are in a transitional period. On the one hand, you can argue that compared to our fans they are less in touch with what's going on and aren't regularly watching our games. But on the other, it's reassuring to feel like plenty of people just acknowledge that what is occurring at the club is 1. potentially a sea change in policy and 2. that such a series of changes requires time in excess of half a season to bear fruit.
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