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Post by bowles on Oct 25, 2015 9:14:19 GMT
With the "off off" chants for Henry! I don't particularly like Henry but for the crowd to chant for one of our own players to get sent off was one of the worse things I've heard at Loftus road!! Everyone involved should be ashamed!!
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Post by Macmoish on Oct 25, 2015 9:25:33 GMT
I wasnt there of course. But so agree. In my opinion You should not boo or otherwise denigrate your players during a game
Encouragement and support works....Public condemnation/barracking/harassing will only make a player less willing to play/try things. Just not right.
Especially because it becomes one player does something, get criticized. Another player does it, gets cheered or at least not booed
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Post by timewaster on Oct 25, 2015 16:19:52 GMT
Defensive midfield players generally never look great on a field, even when they have a good game. Ian Holloway often looked an average player but the team were much weaker without him. Holloway was far better than Henry though.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2015 17:11:42 GMT
Thought Henry was one of our best players last season , obviously hasn't played anywhere near that this season , not sure how he played yesterday but sounds a bit harsh !
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Post by superckat on Oct 25, 2015 21:27:00 GMT
With the "off off" chants for Henry! I don't particularly like Henry but for the crowd to chant for one of our own players to get sent off was one of the worse things I've heard at Loftus road!! Everyone involved should be ashamed!! Agreed thought it shows what mindless numb nuts we have as fans these days. Also chanting Warnocks blue and white army at 0-0 then chanting Ramsey's blue and white army at 3-0. Ridiculous.
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Post by steptoesson on Oct 25, 2015 23:06:13 GMT
Modern day football fans for you I am afraid, also a reflection on society as well.
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Post by bowranger on Oct 26, 2015 10:09:50 GMT
All reminds me of the joy I used to take going to places like Wolves away (and to some extent, West Ham away - I'm sure there's other examples) - except now it's happening at our own club. People get a taste of the big time and expectations get raised to some extent (not helped whatsoever by TF publicly going against the previously united party line from the club about consolidation and steady growth by stating the absolute opposite on twitter) and the atmosphere goes from expectant and ambitious to downright toxic and nasty. Molineux was always funny because as soon as you got a goal or piled on some pressure, their fans turn on their own players at the drop of the hat. The apex being situations like the picture below, where you've got fans so invested in the idea that they are going to be let down that they prepare, and seem to even relish it, before a ball has been kicked: Absolutely embarrassing really. It's toxic and the more I read (less so on here, more on other boards) and experience at matches, the more hollow the comments about how at the end of the day we all want the team to win seem to get, with some fans genuinely venting disappointment at us winning or keeping clean sheets cos it keeps CR in place. The undertones of a lot of it always worries me because frankly I remember seeing us play plenty of absolute dross over the years under the likes of Hughes, Redknapp or when Holloway started out with us and none of that has tallied with the amount of bile that this season has brought out amongst the fanbase. Not to mention the fact that in many of those examples we featured players who actively did not give a modicum of a sh*t about playing for QPR, which I don't think is a criticism that can be levelled at our current squad, poorly performing or otherwise. Everything you're supposed to get from a home advantage is thrown down the loo if we keep this up. I'm not a happy clappy person who says that people can't vent their frustration and should just shut up and get behind the team - people aren't happy and whilst I don't think we are as bad or as underperforming as many like to make out, people have every right to be frustrated. But there's a really bleeding obvious line between being frustrated and actively booing our own players, for chanting for them to be sent off, to taking a seemingly massive amount of joy in getting to stick the boot in on our own club to the extent that being proved 'right' about a substitution is greeted with more negative noise than the positive noise of getting a goal. There's that really clear line between venting frustration at a poor pass and taking more active engagement from that than supporting the team when a ball is played well, when a chance is created, when a player who's been having an average or poor game comes up with the goods. When fans are happy to dish out abuse when something goes wrong but are absolutely against giving praise and support when it actually is warranted. Beating a poor MK Dons 3-0 isn't the result of the season but it just seems so massively bleak that the priority from many in our fan base is to look for excuses as to why beating the opposition in front of us is just papering over the cracks rather than giving some credit when it's actually due. It's toxic and embarrassing and has a genuine impact on how our team play. You could see it in their faces and reactions. You could see it in how the bloody MK Dons manager consoled CR in the reaction his subs got. If people want Ramsey out, then based on this, what promising manager is going to want to come here? How is someone like Nigel Pearson, who took 18 months with a very poor start to turn Leicester around, for example, going to see this? Better managers than Ramsey would be put under more pressure and potentially even hounded out before their real impact was actually felt - especially considering how useless TF is. The players on Saturday didn't just overcome a limited MK Dons side, they had to overcome our own fanbase too and that's just plain wrong.
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Post by Ashdown_Ranger on Oct 26, 2015 11:49:31 GMT
Thought Henry was one of our best players last season , obviously hasn't played anywhere near that this season , not sure how he played yesterday but sounds a bit harsh ! He had a decent first half. He nearly had a great goal - won the ball well in midfield, laid off a decent pass, continued his run and only missed connecting with a low cross by inches. Second half he let a couple of passes go astray, but no major c*ck ups. Certainly didn't deserve the booing and general abuse he got - he's not Bosingtwat! Our fans can be pretty embarrassing some times - whatever happened to #WeRtogether?
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Post by kilburnhoop on Oct 26, 2015 15:51:45 GMT
Funny enough i was just enquiring with my brother over how the hell Phillips was worth 7m quid. He then proceeded to pluck a glorious 40 yard ball out of the sky step inside and smash one into corner with his left foot!!. That was a goal that would grace any game. Funny old game
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Post by wrenboy61 on Oct 26, 2015 17:06:18 GMT
Some of the things the so called fans have done and sung at games recently have amazed me.
There was always banter about players over the years but can't remember fans booing players when they're are out of form or shouting "off off off"
What made it worse was Henry didn't have a bad game on Saturday but I'm afraid he's now the target of the boo boys!
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Post by steptoesson on Oct 26, 2015 20:02:24 GMT
Boo boys, do us all a favour and go and support Chelsh*t, or just stay way from the ground if you are going to cause bad feeling, us fans who are not sheep like yourselves and have more than one brain cell in operation do not want you at Rangers, we want the ones who stick with the club and do not turn on their own. I remember you used to boo Bobby Zamora, had to eat a large portion of humble pie then did you not.
Thought your one cell might have cottoned on by now that booing your own players never works and is highly embarrassing. You are the toxic type who shout abuse, laugh at others misfortune(mainly your own) then when something bad happens in your own lives you hope and look for sympathy and cry why me. If you knew the effect your actions have on players behind closed doors in the confines of the dressing room and the things they say about you, you really would think twice about your actions. If you think players are proud to wear our shirt while you shout abuse at one of their team mates then your are a lot dumber than you are already showing yourselves to be.
I plea to your tiny minds not to embarrass the club on Friday night at Brentford with the great Stan Bowles in attendance. If you cannot support the team in a positive way then please stay away or just shut your mouths or better still go wash em out.
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Post by nomar on Oct 26, 2015 21:32:49 GMT
Top post, bow ranger.
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Post by Macmoish on Oct 26, 2015 22:01:32 GMT
Meanwhile on the twittosphere, some weird stuff, some strange allegations re Old Big Head and him re racism.
I just havent had the time or the inclination to read all the tweets and responses
But bottom line: It's clear - All racism, anti-semitism, homophobia is to be condemned - and ideally those who do it be shunned. Seen it/even perceived it on the boards (not this one!) in the past.
And obviously shouldnt make allegations claiming others are racist or support racism, unless you're sure
And the rest
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Post by wrenboy61 on Oct 27, 2015 11:53:14 GMT
Meanwhile on the twittosphere, some weird stuff, some strange allegations re Old Big Head and him re racism. I just havent had the time or the inclination to read all the tweets and responses But bottom line: It's clear - All racism, anti-semitism, homophobia is to be condemned - and ideally those who do it be shunned. Seen it/even perceived it on the boards (not this one!) in the past. And obviously shouldnt make allegations claiming others are racist or support racism, unless you're sure And the rest Mac I couldn't keep up on Twitter with who was being accused of being racist and who was the accusers and saw some decent people being dragged into the argument!!!
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Post by sharky on Oct 27, 2015 13:31:09 GMT
From shoot.co.uk www.shoot.co.uk/the-criticism-of-chris-ramsey-is-getting-stupid-now/?The criticism of Chris Ramsey is getting stupid now27th October 2015 Fighting in the away end, home fans encouraging a ref to send off one of their own players and Junior Hoilett scoring; Loftus Road is certainly a strange place to be right now. I cannot recall a QPR crowd as hostile to their own bench as the current one. A comfortable 3-0 win at home to MK Dons, featuring a lovely solo goal by Jay-Emmanuel Thomas saw QPR consolidate their current position of 10th, five points from the play-offs. Yet for the vast majority of the crowd, Chris Ramsey should already be out of the door. A man that was originally brought in to overhaul the club’s youth system, Ramsey was given the chance to take charge of first team matters after Harry Redknapp’s knees gave way and the imminent announcement of Tim Sherwood never materialised. Basically, he was never meant to get the job. At the time of his announcement, the club were heralding a new dawn of rebuilding with Tony Fernandes calling Ramsey the ‘dream candidate’ to bring in fresh, young and hungry players through the club’s youth academy. Fast forward eight months and the direction from the boardroom has turned entirely on its head; Fernandes recently stated on Instagram that ‘going up is everything for me’. Fernandes’ determination to get automatic promotion has led him to call on the services of Neil Warnock, the first manager he fired to help Ramsey. Warnock’s role as ‘advisor’ is still unclear, but in doing so Fernandes has not just taken the rug from under Ramsey’s feet, he’s taken away the entire house the rug was in. Warnock’s announcement certainly also brings in to question Les Ferdinand’s position as Director of Football. Based on results, Ramsey has had an OK start to the season. The team’s current stats read as won five, drawn four, lost four. It’s hardly title-winning credentials but nor is it relegation form either. Yet he is getting pelters from the terraces for every misstep he takes. Based on the bile and negativity that is emanating from the home support, you’d think we were rock-bottom. But we’re not. We are doing alright. We don’t have an entitlement to be top. Teams like Hull, Brighton, Middlesbrough and Derby are there because they deserve to be. As well as having more points than us right now, what else do they all have? Modern stadiums. These are clubs that have moved with the times. Other than a lick of paint and a big TV from Argos, Loftus Road Stadium has hardly changed since I first started going and that was 30 years ago. Our priorities should be about investing in a training ground, raising our presence locally and building a new stadium. That’s the sort of platform that sets you up for a sustained attempt at getting into the Premier League and staying there. Yet, we do the opposite. Our preparations again for a supposed promotion push make me cringe. Many fans talk up our squad, but I beg to differ. Our best centre-half, Clint Hill, is 37. Our best right-back, Nedum Onuoha, is primarily a centre-half. Our first choice left-back is a loannee. Sandro cannot play more than two games a week, hardly ideal for the Championship, and Junior Hoilett, a man that occasionally appears on the left wing, before cutting in, was available for free two months ago; no one took us up on the offer. Tony Fernandes has spent the best part of £200 million on players and the club have nothing to show for it. I fear the money wasted over the past few years has ruined QPR. It has distorted the expectations of its fans, turning us into a hard to please mob. Four years after taking over, Fernadnes now owns a club riddled with debt and back in the Championship. I don’t know how he does it, but time and time again he seems to be absolved of any blame. You can’t build anything on foundations made of sand, but that’s what Ramsey is facing. Perhaps we as fans should give the man in the dugout a break and support the team. After all, we are the only constant to the club’s past, present and future.
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Post by Macmoish on Oct 27, 2015 15:12:13 GMT
Good, good piece
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