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Post by Macmoish on Sept 30, 2015 9:03:23 GMT
Dave McIntyre/West London Sport Ferdinand urges QPR fans to give Ramsey time By David McIntyre 30/09/2015 Chris Ramsey and Les Ferdinand of QPR Les Ferdinand has urged QPR fans to be patient following their team’s uninspiring start to the season. Friday’s 4-0 defeat at Fulham led to many supporters turning on head coach Chris Ramsey, whose side are 13th in the Championship table after winning just three of their opening nine league matches. Ferdinand concedes that Charlie Austin and Matty Phillips staying at Loftus Road has raised expectations of an immediate return to the Premier League. But the Rangers director of football insists his previous forecast of a difficult season in which consolidation should be the club’s aim has not changed. “It’s about patience. It’s about consolidation,” Ferdinand said. “People were getting excited and thinking that we’re going to shoot straight back up. We’ve got no divine right to do that. “As much as we’d love to do that, it’s about patience, about time, about getting the right personnel, and people learning about the new philosophy of the club. Rangers were embarrssed by Fulham in a one-sided derby Rangers were embarrssed by Fulham in a one-sided derby “I spoke at the start of the season and said that this season would be about consolidation for us. “Now we’ve kept Charlie and Matty, everyone thinks we’re automatically going to go back up. “It’s changed the game in terms of people’s perceptions in that many are thinking that we’ve kept those two so should go and win the league. “But we’ve brought 14 new faces into this football club and got rid of 16. It takes time to gel. “Charlie and Matty are very good players and are assets for this club, but there are other faces who have come in. “We’re doing our best to get things right. At no stage have we ever said that we’re going to be going straight back up.” QPR boss Chris Ramsey QPR’s record under Ramsey: Played 26 Won 7 Drawn 5 Lost 14 Ferdinand previously predicted that ex-Tottenham youth coach Ramsey’s lack of managerial experience would be cited by critics should Rangers stumble. While admitting that “no manager is safe” and that QPR’s owners “weren’t going to tell me it was a great performance at Fulham”, Ferdinand believes Ramsey will be given time. “It’s about results, I understand that,” the former R’s and England striker added. “I also understand that Chris isn’t a household name and we live in an instant society at the moment where people want instant results and when they don’t get them they start calling for managers to go. “Chris is as disappointed as any supporter was on Friday night. We all were. We know that’s not the standard we want to set at this football club. “Unfortunately we gave a performance in front of our fans and on the TV that wasn’t acceptable. It’s up to us to make sure that changes. “We’re in this together and are trying to do the right thing for Queens Park Rangers. We knew at the start of the season what it was going to be like.” www.westlondonsport.com/qpr/ferdinand-urges-qpr-fans-to-give-ramsey-time
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Post by Macmoish on Sept 30, 2015 9:06:53 GMT
Get West London/Paul Warburton QPR boss Chris Ramsey is safe for now - but things have to improve, says Les Ferdinand 09:59, 30 Sep 2015 By Paul Warburton Rs director lays it on the line QPR boss Chris Ramsey is safe for now - but as director of football Les Ferdinand reminded - results are everything. Two Championship managers were axed this week, including Brentford's Marinus Dijkhuizen. However, Rangers are sticking with Ramsey despite supporter calls for his head after the abject 4-0 defeat to Fulham on Friday. Rs are confident they’ve got the right man in a season of ‘consolidation’ - but it’s up to the players to keep their coach in place. Action Images / John Marsh Under the cosh: Chris Ramsey Speaking at the launch of the new £200k QPR community sports dome in Cranford, Ferdinand made plain the mantra that more Fulham shows and the club will be looking around for someone else to lead them. “No managers are safe are they?” Ferdinand said. “It’s about results. I understand that. “Our supporters get antagonised because Chris isn’t a household name. I understand that when we get beaten like that. We live in an instant society of results. “Chris is as disappointed as any support on Friday night. We gave a performance in front of them that wasn’t acceptable and we have to change that.” One down: Chris Ramsey, Fulham boss Kit Symons and sacked Brentford manager Marinus Dijkhuizen The director supposed fans were beguiled that Rangers would bounce back at the first time of asking as they did in 2014, because they held on to Premier League stars in the transfer window. “I think because we’ve kept Charlie (Austin) and Matty Philips, everyone thinks were going to go back up. We brought in 14 faces and got rid of 16 and that takes time to gel. Patience: Les Ferdinand “It’s about patience and consolidation. People get excited we’re going to shoot back up the table, but we’ve no divine right to do that, but it’s also about getting the right personnel on the pitch.” Rangers are at home to Bolton on Saturday minus Austin, out for up to a month with a hamstring strain, and Jamie Mackie, also in the wars at Fulham who sits on the sidelines for up to three months. www.getwestlondon.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/qpr-boss-chris-ramsey-safe-10162566
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Post by harr on Sept 30, 2015 9:16:27 GMT
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Post by paulmason on Sept 30, 2015 9:48:51 GMT
What the hell does Ferdinand mean when he says "it’s also about getting the right personnel on the pitch"
So, does that mean the team he and Ramsey have been picking up until Fulham away, are not the right personnel?
I am genuinely scratching my head at that comment.
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Post by paulmason on Sept 30, 2015 9:51:26 GMT
Ferdinand and Ramsey will never get another job like the ones they have, ever again in football.
Its a pyramid scam, where Ferdinand has surrounded himself with blow average people not qualified for the positions they have, so he looks good. He can at any time, replace the average people, with other average people.
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Post by Macmoish on Sept 30, 2015 10:04:00 GMT
A little harsh. I'd say ownership - New Real Chairman and New CEO - Les Ferdinand may survive if Ramsey goes, but ultimately if QPR continue to fail on the field, (depending how they judge failure and how long give him) Les too will be judged
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Post by paulmason on Sept 30, 2015 10:29:12 GMT
A little harsh. I'd say ownership - New Real Chairman and New CEO - Les Ferdinand may survive if Ramsey goes, but ultimately if QPR continue to fail on the field, (depending how they judge failure and how long give him) Les too will be judged It may be a little harsh, but name a team in the Championship with lesser qualified people running their first team than us. Everyone is punching well above their weight, apart from the players. Director of Football - Les Ferdinand - (previously highest held permanent position: Academy coach) Head Coach - Chris Ramsey - (previously highest held permanent position: Academy coach) First Team Coach - Steve Gallen - (previously highest held permanent position: U21 manager) Goalkeeping Coach - Paul Crichton - (previously highest held permanent position: Dog and Duck X1 or something similar)
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Post by harr on Sept 30, 2015 11:32:24 GMT
A little harsh. I'd say ownership - New Real Chairman and New CEO - Les Ferdinand may survive if Ramsey goes, but ultimately if QPR continue to fail on the field, (depending how they judge failure and how long give him) Les too will be judged For sure Les will survive if CR does at all go this season. Les may continue until a point comes where a Manager becomes available, a really good Manager, that possibly doesnt want to work under him. Then that might swing it and they go for the Manager. Cant see Les going this year as his signings have been pretty decent though Gobern apart and Perch was probably desperation as nobody hardly left. Would possibly question the time Les took to get defenders in early though, this was pretty poor and couldnt have helped CR planning. Les also being a legend of QPR as a player will also hold him in good stead and give as a DOF a fair bit of extra time to sort things out.
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Post by kilburnhoop on Sept 30, 2015 12:36:03 GMT
The club are in transition and trying to consolidate, everyone knows this. Right???
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Post by Macmoish on Sept 30, 2015 12:40:01 GMT
True we're in transition and most would have accepted non promotion.
Keeping Austin means we lose a lot of money if sold in jan - or goes free in Summer
+ there have been various club quotes about going for promotion/top 6 finish
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Post by harr on Sept 30, 2015 12:46:02 GMT
True we're in transition and most would have accepted non promotion. Keeping Austin means we lose a lot of money if sold in jan - or goes free in Summer + there have been various club quotes about going for promotion/top 6 finish I remember Ramsey saying this before the West Ham game we played end of last season. If you can call it playing. www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3052095/Chris-Ramsey-thinks-three-wins-secure-Premier-League-safety-QPR-long-sort-defensive-concentration.htmlHe also spoke about Player and Defensive concentration. ummm We certainly stepped it up conceding 11 goals in our next two games. 12 games later, whats exactly changed, conceding two goals a game and Fulham quite easily could have been six again in a League lower . Theres a definite pattern with CR teams
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Post by paulmason on Sept 30, 2015 12:51:48 GMT
The club are in transition and trying to consolidate, everyone knows this. Right??? Ah bless, that old chestnut. Yes, we were supposed to be in transition, but the when the window closed and Green, Sandro, Fer, Phillips and Austin were still at W12, it kinda changed things and people were sent out on loan so they get games. A mid table struggle with kids and the rabble Ferdinand kindly supplied Ramsey to get on with, would have been a miracle achievement, but a mid table struggle with the players we have, is definitely not the same achievement. You do understand that, dont you? Leroy Fer "We have a really strong team," he said. "I don't want to be putting pressure on us, but with this team we should go up. "We have got players with a lot of ability, players who were here last year and new players who have made us stronger. We need to do everything we can to get back up." www.qpr.co.uk/news/article/leroy-fer-qpr-fulham-championship-2705316.aspx
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Post by kilburnhoop on Sept 30, 2015 13:18:54 GMT
The club are in transition and trying to consolidate, everyone knows this. Right??? Ah bless, that old chestnut. Yes, we were supposed to be in transition, but the when the window closed and Green, Sandro, Fer, Phillips and Austin were still at W12, it kinda changed things and people were sent out on loan so they get games. A mid table struggle with kids and the rabble Ferdinand kindly supplied Ramsey to get on with, would have been a miracle achievement, but a mid table struggle with the players we have, is definitely not the same achievement. You do understand that, dont you? Leroy Fer "We have a really strong team," he said. "I don't want to be putting pressure on us, but with this team we should go up. "We have got players with a lot of ability, players who were here last year and new players who have made us stronger. We need to do everything we can to get back up." www.qpr.co.uk/news/article/leroy-fer-qpr-fulham-championship-2705316.aspxHardly a chesnut. Green has hardly made a difference, more of a hinderence. As you well know Fer and Sandro have not/hardly played. So leaves us with Austin and Phillips, yep they have made a difference, but two players cannot carry a team. You do understand this, dont't you?. When they are all fit and playing regularly you can beat that big drum of yours if we are struggling. We sit 13th 3 points off the palyoffs after 9 games. What was your final league position prediction?.
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Post by paulmason on Sept 30, 2015 13:25:44 GMT
Ah bless, that old chestnut. Yes, we were supposed to be in transition, but the when the window closed and Green, Sandro, Fer, Phillips and Austin were still at W12, it kinda changed things and people were sent out on loan so they get games. A mid table struggle with kids and the rabble Ferdinand kindly supplied Ramsey to get on with, would have been a miracle achievement, but a mid table struggle with the players we have, is definitely not the same achievement. You do understand that, dont you? Leroy Fer "We have a really strong team," he said. "I don't want to be putting pressure on us, but with this team we should go up. "We have got players with a lot of ability, players who were here last year and new players who have made us stronger. We need to do everything we can to get back up." www.qpr.co.uk/news/article/leroy-fer-qpr-fulham-championship-2705316.aspxHardly a chesnut. Green has hardly made a difference, more of a hinderence. As you well know Fer and Sandro have not/hardly played. So leaves us with Austin and Phillips, yep they have made a difference, but two players cannot carry a team. You do understand this, dont't you?. When they are all fit and playing regularly you can beat that big drum of yours if we are struggling. We sit 13th 3 points off the palyoffs after 9 games. What was your final league position prediction?. A few weeks a ago, we were in the playoff spots (without Fer and Sandro playing) so your point about them is.... pointless (sorry, thats a joke I had to use, that but you should get my point). My final league position was third from bottom. Then, when we kept the famous five, I changed it to 2nd. IMO, excluding Joey, the team we have, even without without Fer and Sandro playing is better balanced than the team last year. I happen to think the people running it though, do not know their arse from their elbows, hence us conceding so many goals and looking gutless and slow.
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Post by Macmoish on Sept 30, 2015 13:31:21 GMT
And one more... QPR unlikely to get promoted this season, concedes Les Ferdinand 10:00 30 September 2015 By Sean Gallagher, QPR correspondent QPR QPR's Director of Football Les Ferdinand says promotion is unlikely for QPR this season Kilburn Times - QPR unlikely to get promoted this season, concedes Les Ferdinand 10:00 30 September 2015 By Sean Gallagher, QPR correspondent QPR QPR’s director of football Les Ferdinand has urged supporters to curb their expectations for this season, but insists Chris Ramsey is the right man to take the club forward. Rangers are without a win in four games, with head coach Ramsey coming under fire from fans on social media following a pitiful display at Fulham last Friday night as they were thrashed 4-0. However, Ferdinand believes the upheaval that has occurred on and off the field at Loftus Road in the summer means instant success is in no sense a guarantee. He told the Times: “We’ve said all along that this season is about being patient and consolidating. Because we kept Charlie [Austin] and Matty [Phillips] everyone thinks we’re automatically going to win the league but we’ve got no divine right to do that. “We’ve brought 14 new faces into this football club and got rid of 16. I think people forget that. It takes time to gel. At no point have we said we’re going to get promoted this season. “As much as we’d love to achieve that we’ve got be realistic. It’s about patience, it’s about giving people time and getting to grips with the new philosophy we’ve put into place. “I understand that our supporters will get antagonised because Chris isn’t a household name so they’re crying out for someone else with more experience, but I’m convinced he’s the right man.” Rangers lie 13th in the Championship after nine games, but they only sit three points off third place. However, Ferdinand is not entertaining the thought of a promotion bid, citing the example of Fulham’s struggle last year as a stark reminder that things are not always plain sailing. He added: “Fulham nearly went down last season after relegation the year before and they were in a far better position than us after coming down. “They understood where they were and we understand where we are. We’ve got to keep managing expectations, as we know we’re very much a work in progress.” Elsewhere, Ferdinand says Tjaronn Chery has been forgiven after the midfielder reacted angrily to being substituted in the first half at Craven Cottage and stormed down the tunnel. “His reaction was unacceptable but he’s come out now and apologised for his actions,” said Ferdinand. “We’ll wipe the slate clean and go again now.” www.kilburntimes.co.uk/sport/football/qpr_unlikely_to_get_promoted_this_season_concedes_les_ferdinand_1_4253118
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Post by kilburnhoop on Sept 30, 2015 13:33:37 GMT
Hardly a chesnut. Green has hardly made a difference, more of a hinderence. As you well know Fer and Sandro have not/hardly played. So leaves us with Austin and Phillips, yep they have made a difference, but two players cannot carry a team. You do understand this, dont't you?. When they are all fit and playing regularly you can beat that big drum of yours if we are struggling. We sit 13th 3 points off the palyoffs after 9 games. What was your final league position prediction?. A few weeks a ago, we were in the playoff spots (without Fer and Sandro playing) so your point about them is.... pointless (sorry, thats a joke I had to use, that but you should get my point). My final league position was third from bottom. Then, when we kept the famous five, I changed it to 2nd. IMO, excluding Joey, the team we have, even without without Fer and Sandro playing is better balanced than the team last year. I happen to think the people running it though, do not know their arse from their elbows, hence us conceding so many goals and looking gutless and slow. We will revisit this many times this season me thinks!. One point though i think the fulham game was a one off in their cup final. This was proved last night when Wolves spanked them 3 nothing at the boathouse. Gutless yes on friday but not the other games this season.
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Post by kilburnhoop on Sept 30, 2015 13:43:48 GMT
And one more... QPR unlikely to get promoted this season, concedes Les Ferdinand 10:00 30 September 2015 By Sean Gallagher, QPR correspondent QPR QPR's Director of Football Les Ferdinand says promotion is unlikely for QPR this season Kilburn Times - QPR unlikely to get promoted this season, concedes Les Ferdinand 10:00 30 September 2015 By Sean Gallagher, QPR correspondent QPR QPR’s director of football Les Ferdinand has urged supporters to curb their expectations for this season, but insists Chris Ramsey is the right man to take the club forward. Rangers are without a win in four games, with head coach Ramsey coming under fire from fans on social media following a pitiful display at Fulham last Friday night as they were thrashed 4-0. However, Ferdinand believes the upheaval that has occurred on and off the field at Loftus Road in the summer means instant success is in no sense a guarantee. He told the Times: “We’ve said all along that this season is about being patient and consolidating. Because we kept Charlie [Austin] and Matty [Phillips] everyone thinks we’re automatically going to win the league but we’ve got no divine right to do that. “We’ve brought 14 new faces into this football club and got rid of 16. I think people forget that. It takes time to gel. At no point have we said we’re going to get promoted this season. “As much as we’d love to achieve that we’ve got be realistic. It’s about patience, it’s about giving people time and getting to grips with the new philosophy we’ve put into place. “I understand that our supporters will get antagonised because Chris isn’t a household name so they’re crying out for someone else with more experience, but I’m convinced he’s the right man.” Rangers lie 13th in the Championship after nine games, but they only sit three points off third place. However, Ferdinand is not entertaining the thought of a promotion bid, citing the example of Fulham’s struggle last year as a stark reminder that things are not always plain sailing. He added: “Fulham nearly went down last season after relegation the year before and they were in a far better position than us after coming down. “They understood where they were and we understand where we are. We’ve got to keep managing expectations, as we know we’re very much a work in progress.” Elsewhere, Ferdinand says Tjaronn Chery has been forgiven after the midfielder reacted angrily to being substituted in the first half at Craven Cottage and stormed down the tunnel. “His reaction was unacceptable but he’s come out now and apologised for his actions,” said Ferdinand. “We’ll wipe the slate clean and go again now.” www.kilburntimes.co.uk/sport/football/qpr_unlikely_to_get_promoted_this_season_concedes_les_ferdinand_1_4253118So Chery got the hump and decided to head straight to the dressing room. He should be fined and dropped end off conversation.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2015 17:32:18 GMT
I think Ferdinand should never have got his ridiculous job and Ramsey shouldn't be manager , I thought that last season and I still think it now . I feel the term consolidation just opens the door for being satisfied with an average season , I just think we should be aiming a little higher to try and give the supporters a bit of hope . Lucky to keep hold of Austin , now out for a while , unsure of Phillips because he has been pretty poor , apart from a short period last season , since he's been here and I think we should've took what WBA were offering . I have to seriously question Ramseys tactics and decision making especially last Friday , can't really see any turn in fortune any time soon .
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Post by londonranger on Sept 30, 2015 18:18:52 GMT
They are in 13th place. Exactly where I picked them come season end. They could go higher, they could go lower. Nobody knows the future, as Winston Churchill said "All we know, is, that it is imminent"
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Post by Dufster on Sept 30, 2015 19:35:31 GMT
Agree this will be a roller coaster season....but his performance on Friday was most concerning and as things continue to stumble on, the fact he can offer no reference point of past success to give comfort....continued patience is a mighty big ask!
What we do know is that the teams he puts out continue to leak goals and once again his team has the worst defensive record in its division...not to forget his touch line tactics are suspect!
Warnock's mantra of "great teams are built on great defences" comes to mind.
IMO a good experienced Manager would have more of a fist of things and had a better record with the players he has had to date.
So after 26 games IMO he has demonstrated that he is an extremely average Manager....so I don't get the "Now he's the right man" as we are in a transitioning/ consolidating phase!!....sounds like diversionary bollocks to me!
He comes across as a very nice chap....he should go and cut his teeth elsewhere and earn the right to manage a club as good as ours when he proved himself!!
I honestly hope he proves otherwise as its going to consume all the patience we have!!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2015 21:03:52 GMT
I think he will continue to struggle throughout the season , don't really understand the reasons for keeping Austin and Phillips if it's a season of consolidation we're after added to the fact come January Austin will go for 5 mill or less because we're very unlikely to be in a play off position come then if Ramsey is still in charge thus no reason for Austin to stick around really .
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Post by harr on Sept 30, 2015 22:16:15 GMT
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Post by harr on Sept 30, 2015 22:31:14 GMT
A few more ex player tweets I thought Harry started off winning 9 of his first 10 Championship games getting 26 points like Warnock did......? Redknapp had no problem motivating his players in the Championship at all.
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Post by harr on Sept 30, 2015 22:36:57 GMT
And of course most of these are Les and Chris 's players now so should be motivated. Which they werent against Fulham.
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Post by steptoesson on Sept 30, 2015 23:11:55 GMT
Good old Langers. Speaks like the true fan he is(not saying that Bircham and Gallen are not true fans also).
But for me transition is what Man u are doing not us. They lost the most successful manager in the history of the English game, who had been there for an eternity in football terms, we are a club that has wasted tens of millions to be 13th in the Championship, its not transition its cock ups all round.
We are now paying for those cock ups, If we was in transition we would have had 4 good years in the prem, Warnock would have just retired and our new manager would be doing his best to keep the club together while we get used to not having Warnock about leading the ship, that is transition.
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Post by Lonegunmen on Oct 1, 2015 0:45:57 GMT
Should never have given Warnock the flick in the first place.
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Post by powerpump on Oct 1, 2015 0:54:04 GMT
"we are a club that has wasted tens of millions to be 13th in the Championship, its not transition its cock ups all round." (steptoesson)
-I fully agree with that statement.
Unbelievable that LF wants us to accept we ain't getting promotion this year. What a defeatist attitude. That mindset will put us in a relegation dog fight if the current situation persists. We have a so called "manager" who is totally useless and is learning the job , though unlikely he ever will. And ultimately its' we the supporters who are the victims of all this incompetence. What a complete shambles!
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Post by lofty on Oct 1, 2015 1:50:51 GMT
Rather amazing that Ferdinand and Ramsey were able to talk their employers into thinking that mediocrity is OK for this season. Especially after throwing away the £13 million we could've gotten for Austin and the £7+ million for Phillips.
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Post by Dufster on Oct 1, 2015 6:55:24 GMT
Charlie out for at least a month now....lets see how LF and CR's own choices perform as they may be what we could be left with....If they cant score regularly we could start to free-fall given our poor defensive performances!
All of a sudden LF's "give them time to Gel" statement looks very pre-emptive....it was put out there as that is exactly what he is fearing might happen me thinks!!
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Post by paulmason on Oct 1, 2015 7:23:11 GMT
There were no surrender type articles from Ferdinand when we were 3rd in the league and everything was rosey. What a no good useless tosser he is.
With shite like this being trotted out from the club, no wonder the Ferdinand/Ramsey pom-pom shakers are AWOL.
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