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Post by marshbowles10 on Aug 16, 2015 12:30:47 GMT
Thankfully we didn't get this 'dream team' manager.
Looks at his league stats……….. and he's out of the Cup. Only a point AT HOME to Charlton.
I'm sure all sensible Derby fans are calling for his sacking before relegation looms.
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Post by RoryTheRanger on Aug 16, 2015 12:44:32 GMT
Highlights just how fickle and ridiculous some of our fans are being haha.
Know who I'd rather have out of the two
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Post by timewaster on Aug 16, 2015 13:11:11 GMT
Highlights just how fickle and ridiculous some of our fans are being haha. Know who I'd rather have out of the two I dont
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Post by nomar on Aug 16, 2015 19:55:41 GMT
Don't Derby have more points than us?
And a better goal difference?
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Post by RoryTheRanger on Aug 16, 2015 20:13:53 GMT
Don't Derby have more points than us? And a better goal difference? One more point yes but with a far more settled squad than ours.
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Post by steptoesson on Aug 17, 2015 0:16:37 GMT
To be fair to the Ramsey dissenters, Ramsey does have a relegation to his name, even if Redknapp had not jumped ship doubt he would have kept us up.
But in the history books, when people see them in decades to come, in black and white it will read QPR got relegated, with Ramsey at the helm.
Clement does not have this, so Derby fans will be more patient, how long for though if results do not improve who knows.
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Post by Dufster on Aug 17, 2015 6:40:28 GMT
Don't Derby have more points than us? And a better goal difference? One more point yes but with a far more settled squad than ours. Wow! And denial is not just a river in Egypt!
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Post by nomar on Aug 17, 2015 6:49:06 GMT
One more point yes but with a far more settled squad than ours. Wow! And denial is not just a river in Egypt! I wasn't intending it to be used to have a dig at Rory, dufster. My point was more that its really too early to be comparing either manager against the other. At this stage of their respective careers I have no idea who will end up being the better manager. But, although Clements Championship record is marginally better, this is like 2 bald men arguing over who has the longest single strand of hair left on their head. Emotions are running high as they do after every game. Clement has been called in to do a significantly different job than Ramsey has been tasked with. Comparing the two of them doesn't do anybody any good so why go there? We all knew this was going to take time regardless of who the manager was. And its worth noting that much better managers than Clement and Warburton have tried and failed here recently so its not like we've departed from a winning formula to get what we've got now.
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Post by eusebio13 on Aug 17, 2015 6:53:21 GMT
its two games
Holloway had a worse record in the season he took over and saw us relegated and in the following season won only 2 of his of his first 8 games and lost 16 league games in that season...Holloway was often called tactically inept by the fans and yet now is regularly described as a legend...Holloway took three seasons in the third tier to get us promoted
If after 10-15 games we're still in the bottom half people may have some evidence to complain but right now its all just whining (even if in the end you turn out to be right)
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Post by Dufster on Aug 17, 2015 20:54:35 GMT
Wow! And denial is not just a river in Egypt! I wasn't intending it to be used to have a dig at Rory, dufster. My point was more that its really too early to be comparing either manager against the other. At this stage of their respective careers I have no idea who will end up being the better manager. But, although Clements Championship record is marginally better, this is like 2 bald men arguing over who has the longest single strand of hair left on their head. Emotions are running high as they do after every game. Clement has been called in to do a significantly different job than Ramsey has been tasked with. Comparing the two of them doesn't do anybody any good so why go there? We all knew this was going to take time regardless of who the manager was. And its worth noting that much better managers than Clement and Warburton have tried and failed here recently so its not like we've departed from a winning formula to get what we've got now. Nomar ..that comment was in no way directed towards you bud!
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Post by blatantfowl on Aug 17, 2015 21:08:42 GMT
Holloway truly built a team from nothing Ramsey has riches in comparison
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Post by steptoesson on Aug 17, 2015 21:25:12 GMT
its two games Holloway had a worse record in the season he took over and saw us relegated and in the following season won only 2 of his of his first 8 games and lost 16 league games in that season...Holloway was often called tactically inept by the fans and yet now is regularly described as a legend...Holloway took three seasons in the third tier to get us promoted If after 10-15 games we're still in the bottom half people may have some evidence to complain but right now its all just whining (even if in the end you turn out to be right) Thing with Holloway though is he had a different club then, than the one Ramsey has now, Though there are similarities, Ramsey took over a doomed squad with players who where not good enough and overpaid, Holloway also had a over bloated squad that was doomed to relegation. That is where the similarities end, Holloway was at a club that was financially bankrupt and heading for administration, then went into administration, 7 pros on the books before the season started, Ramsey has been given some funds to sign players, Holloway had to rely on the generosity of fans in the main to sign a player we wanted if a small fee was involved. Hopefully given time Ramsey can sort the team out, 15 games like you say is fair, even if we are mid table after 15 games don't see that as reason for sacking him, bottom half depends on the position, bottom 3, danger of getting stuck in a rut and not being able to recover, maybe that would be the time the club acts.
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Post by eusebio13 on Aug 18, 2015 15:51:02 GMT
its two games Holloway had a worse record in the season he took over and saw us relegated and in the following season won only 2 of his of his first 8 games and lost 16 league games in that season...Holloway was often called tactically inept by the fans and yet now is regularly described as a legend...Holloway took three seasons in the third tier to get us promoted If after 10-15 games we're still in the bottom half people may have some evidence to complain but right now its all just whining (even if in the end you turn out to be right) Thing with Holloway though is he had a different club then, than the one Ramsey has now, Though there are similarities, Ramsey took over a doomed squad with players who where not good enough and overpaid, Holloway also had a over bloated squad that was doomed to relegation. That is where the similarities end, Holloway was at a club that was financially bankrupt and heading for administration, then went into administration, 7 pros on the books before the season started, Ramsey has been given some funds to sign players, Holloway had to rely on the generosity of fans in the main to sign a player we wanted if a small fee was involved. Hopefully given time Ramsey can sort the team out, 15 games like you say is fair, even if we are mid table after 15 games don't see that as reason for sacking him, bottom half depends on the position, bottom 3, danger of getting stuck in a rut and not being able to recover, maybe that would be the time the club acts. Holloway was operating a tier below Ramsey and still had one of the largest payrolls in that division...I think the analogy holds true
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Post by eusebio13 on Aug 18, 2015 15:53:19 GMT
Holloway truly built a team from nothing Ramsey has riches in comparison Holloway took 3 seasons to build a promotion team with one of the biggest payrolls in the third tiers...my comparison is with how much more time Holloway got
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Post by harr on Aug 18, 2015 15:58:40 GMT
Holloway was a fans favourite, someone every QPR supporter watched play and held high regard too as a person and then Manager.
That works in favour usually over a coach of a Spurs youth team coach.
Not saying it should but it generally does.
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Post by eusebio13 on Aug 18, 2015 16:32:09 GMT
Holloway was a fans favourite, someone every QPR supporter watched play and held high regard too as a person and then Manager. That works in favour usually over a coach of a Spurs youth team coach. Not saying it should but it generally does. Holloway got slaughtered too I seem to remember...in that 2nd season he won 2 of his first 8 games and plenty of fans said he wasn't up to it
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Post by harr on Aug 18, 2015 16:39:13 GMT
Holloway was a fans favourite, someone every QPR supporter watched play and held high regard too as a person and then Manager. That works in favour usually over a coach of a Spurs youth team coach. Not saying it should but it generally does. Holloway got slaughtered too I seem to remember...in that 2nd season he won 2 of his first 8 games and plenty of fans said he wasn't up to it You have a very good memory Eus, how do you rember this stuff Will say I wasnt one of them though, check the messageboards to find out
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Post by steptoesson on Aug 18, 2015 18:01:10 GMT
Thing with Holloway though is he had a different club then, than the one Ramsey has now, Though there are similarities, Ramsey took over a doomed squad with players who where not good enough and overpaid, Holloway also had a over bloated squad that was doomed to relegation. That is where the similarities end, Holloway was at a club that was financially bankrupt and heading for administration, then went into administration, 7 pros on the books before the season started, Ramsey has been given some funds to sign players, Holloway had to rely on the generosity of fans in the main to sign a player we wanted if a small fee was involved. Hopefully given time Ramsey can sort the team out, 15 games like you say is fair, even if we are mid table after 15 games don't see that as reason for sacking him, bottom half depends on the position, bottom 3, danger of getting stuck in a rut and not being able to recover, maybe that would be the time the club acts. Holloway was operating a tier below Ramsey and still had one of the largest payrolls in that division...I think the analogy holds true Fair enough eusebio I respect your opinion, but even if Holloway did have a large payroll for the division we were in then, It does not compare to the club we have now. He had no Internationals in the squad like Ramsey, No players like Ramsey, no funds like Ramsey has had, when he took over, the only players we could attract were freebies and Journeymen and players like Ben Askar who not a soul had heard of in France let alone England. Many people tipped Rangers to go down the pan when he took over, but he managed to keep the club together , then get the club up after 3 of the toughest seasons in our history, The pressure on Holloway and the players was far greater than anyone can really imagine, they where not just playing to keep their jobs, they knew that if the club did go down the leagues then many peoples jobs behind the scenes were also in the balance. That would mean these staff not being able to pay the rent or mortgage, struggling to put food on the table and pay the bills. Bit of a different scenario all round in my opinion. If there were bucket collections going round Loftus Road so Ramsey can buy a player I would say yes its the same analogy, but with what we have now and what we had then, then I don't see it.
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Post by RoryTheRanger on Aug 18, 2015 19:05:35 GMT
Derby already 1-0 down at home to Middlesborough, lots of possession but doing nothing with it.
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Post by Lonegunmen on Aug 19, 2015 8:03:42 GMT
Holloway was the motivator, Kenny Jackett was the tactical nouse
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Post by kilburnhoop on Aug 19, 2015 9:33:35 GMT
Derby natives are very restless
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Post by bowranger on Aug 19, 2015 9:57:35 GMT
Felt like Clement was an odd appointment really - very experienced in football but in a totally different way to the job he's been given to do at Derby. Could be a masterstroke, could go badly.
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Post by Marc on Aug 19, 2015 10:01:07 GMT
Felt like Clement was an odd appointment really - very experienced in football but in a totally different way to the job he's been given to do at Derby. Could be a masterstroke, could go badly. Yes, I did wonder why some were so much in favour of getting him to QPR when his experience couldn't be more different to running a Championship club.
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Post by bowranger on Aug 19, 2015 10:06:07 GMT
Felt like Clement was an odd appointment really - very experienced in football but in a totally different way to the job he's been given to do at Derby. Could be a masterstroke, could go badly. Yes, I did wonder why some were so much in favour of getting him to QPR when his experience couldn't be more different to running a Championship club. Yeah. I don't know a lot about him but I thought his remit previously had been working with top class players sourced from top clubs and/or from Real's own exceptional youth factory that churns out gems. His job was to make those players even better within some of the best facilities in world football. Don't get me wrong, the principles of coaching will be based on the same stuff and I imagine you'd probably get a decent dose of respect from the players when your gaffer has been working with the Galacticos but he wouldn't have been my choice for a Championship club having a go at promotion.
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Post by RoryTheRanger on Aug 29, 2015 11:56:05 GMT
Derby now 1-0 down at home to a very poor Leeds side. They look absolutely void of idea's going forward.
Could you imagine the "Clement Out" threads that would have appeared on here if we had made the same kind of start as Derby?
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Post by Marc on Aug 29, 2015 12:36:03 GMT
Different side in the 2nd half, 1-1 within 2 minutes.
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Post by paulmason on Aug 29, 2015 12:41:58 GMT
Derby now 1-0 down at home to a very poor Leeds side. They look absolutely void of idea's going forward. Could you imagine the "Clement Out" threads that would have appeared on here if we had made the same kind of start as Derby? What start do you refer too, currently unbeaten in the league?
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Post by harr on Aug 29, 2015 12:57:18 GMT
Were
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Post by Lonegunmen on Aug 29, 2015 13:00:14 GMT
Chris Woods - New Zealander. Tall, Cumbersome, Slow and scores goals.
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Post by Marc on Aug 29, 2015 13:06:50 GMT
Derby now 1-0 down at home to a very poor Leeds side. They look absolutely void of idea's going forward. Could you imagine the "Clement Out" threads that would have appeared on here if we had made the same kind of start as Derby? What start do you refer too, currently unbeaten in the league? Yeah because 4pts is much better than 7
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