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Jul 23, 2015 13:37:23 GMT
Post by harr on Jul 23, 2015 13:37:23 GMT
Chris Ramsey apparently will be the guest on Talksport with Saggers tonight after 7 . Maybe he will tell us when we are getting a defence that isnt just kids and old men Not convinced Hill has got another season in him playing or that Kpekawa is anywhere near being a Championship player and Furlong might just about be ok but thats borderline. If Caulker goes and Onuoha are Yun get injured we would be in trouble.
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Jul 23, 2015 18:35:00 GMT
Post by londonranger on Jul 23, 2015 18:35:00 GMT
Well, besides what 57 and the Pythons say, Im sure we will find four "stiffs" to stand in front of Robert. This isn't the Prem., Harr, where for us, our defence was best at own goals, Anyway, we spent years in lower divisions, where the best in my opinion, was Stewpeas. We've also signed so many midfielders, that we can find a few that will track back and help out.If we suddenly find 4 real crackers at fullback, we might go back to the Prem., God forbid. As Cash predicted, the worst thing that could happen to QPR.(Cash=Bernie Ecclestone.)
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Jul 23, 2015 18:46:31 GMT
Post by harr on Jul 23, 2015 18:46:31 GMT
Well, besides what 57 and the Pythons say, Im sure we will find four "stiffs" to stand in front of Robert. This isn't the Prem., Harr, where for us, our defence was best at own goals, Anyway, we spent years in lower divisions, where the best in my opinion, was Stewpeas. We've also signed so many midfielders, that we can find a few that will track back and help out.If we suddenly find 4 real crackers at fullback, we might go back to the Prem., God forbid. As Cash predicted, the worst thing that could happen to QPR.(Cash=Bernie Ecclestone.) I guess we still have plenty of time to get defenders in London I'm not convinced of many clean sheets with what he have at the minute. Anyhow if anyone wants a listen Chris Ramsey is on at 8 Pm , surely better than eastenders I will add any snippets .
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Post by harr on Jul 23, 2015 19:43:03 GMT
Raheem money, its money the Clubs needs but not money he doubts he will see, it will be invested in other areas.
Ramsey said Green was worth 12 points to us last year.
Austin - Excess of 15 Million pounds Charlie is what we are looking at. Charlie could play for England now. He wants to go to a top half table team.
McCarthy - We have got Lumley and think he will replace everyone in time, high hopes for him. But in meantime will bring someone in.
Away from home ... we will be better this season .
Lack of pace ? Injected in some pace with new players brought in last few weeks.
Defensively ? We need a whole backline to make sure we dont put square pegs in round holes. Les is working on these targets , combination of permanents and loans .
But time is ticking on . Ramsey- doesnt like loan signings .
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Post by harr on Jul 23, 2015 20:14:22 GMT
Good preseason planned but tour operators didnt get two games right. We looked rusty last night .
You have to look at merit most of the time. Re team selection.
Wrong to say coaches dont say favs because they do.
The players he picked last year where players that were giving all to try and keep us up. There were other players that were not either Physically or mentality able to help that should have been available.
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Jul 23, 2015 20:20:15 GMT
Post by harr on Jul 23, 2015 20:20:15 GMT
This year will be difficult , so many games.
For us we have to make sure we dont drop again , consolidation.
Pleased with M Doughty, he might save us a few quid .
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Post by harr on Jul 23, 2015 21:11:42 GMT
Overall, I dont think Ramsey is expecting anything more than mid table.
I'm not sure what the owners / directors are expecting from the season though? They havnt come out with many statements at all yet about what we should be achieving this year.
I would still expect Charlie to be gone soon and others and 3-4 defenders coming in.
Didnt mention the two trialists, I dont think we will give them deals.
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Jul 23, 2015 23:05:05 GMT
Post by harr on Jul 23, 2015 23:05:05 GMT
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Jul 24, 2015 5:33:48 GMT
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Post by nomar on Jul 24, 2015 5:33:48 GMT
Re Austin, Ramsey said that they'd take £14.5m. I took that as a sign that they'd negotiate if need be.
He does seem to think that a deal for Austin and Phillips probably won't come until the season has already started.
Main goal this season is consolidation. Days of spending big on players appears to be over. If only that philosophy had been adopted before Harry looked at Sandro.
Overall, nothing in that interview that overly worried me but nothing that made me think 'we're gonna win the league' either.
The comment on needing a wnole new backline needs context though. He meant we still need some starters and cover for the ones already starting, NOT that the whole back four needs replacing.
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Jul 24, 2015 6:37:56 GMT
Post by harr on Jul 24, 2015 6:37:56 GMT
Re Austin, Ramsey said that they'd take £14.5m. I took that as a sign that they'd negotiate if need be. He does seem to think that a deal for Austin and Phillips probably won't come until the season has already started. Main goal this season is consolidation. Days of spending big on players appears to be over. If only that philosophy had been adopted before Harry looked at Sandro. Overall, nothing in that interview that overly worried me but nothing that made me think 'we're gonna win the league' either. The comment on needing a wnole new backline needs context though. He meant we still need some starters and cover for the ones already starting, NOT that the whole back four needs replacing. Yes, good point re the last line. Probable that he means one/ two starters and two back up etc with Caulker and Nedum starting if Caulker stays.
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Post by Roller on Jul 24, 2015 6:40:42 GMT
Overall, I dont think Ramsey is expecting anything more than mid table. I'm not sure what the owners / directors are expecting from the season though? They havnt come out with many statements at all yet about what we should be achieving this year. I would still expect Charlie to be gone soon and others and 3-4 defenders coming in. Didnt mention the two trialists, I dont think we will give them deals. Thanks for the updates Harr. Talksport quite often put their interviews up as podcasts don't they? I'll have a look this evening.
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Jul 24, 2015 11:30:29 GMT
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Post by nomar on Jul 24, 2015 11:30:29 GMT
Overall, I dont think Ramsey is expecting anything more than mid table. I'm not sure what the owners / directors are expecting from the season though? They havnt come out with many statements at all yet about what we should be achieving this year. I would still expect Charlie to be gone soon and others and 3-4 defenders coming in. Didnt mention the two trialists, I dont think we will give them deals. Thanks for the updates Harr. Talksport quite often put their interviews up as podcasts don't they? I'll have a look this evening. You need to bypass the first hour. Ramsey is on from 8-10. I listened to it on playback last night and this morning on my way to work. They do it in half hour segments.
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Jul 24, 2015 12:09:04 GMT
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Post by kenthoop on Jul 24, 2015 12:09:04 GMT
I never heard it at all, did he mention anything about Green leaving, the reason i ask is because it is all over the tabloids and internet sites he is worried about losing Green and being left with Lumley, now if that is the case why did we not find out if Green was prepared to stay before selling McCarthy, now i dont know McCarthy would have stayed if he had been no 1 this season only he knows that, imo he should have been this season, enough said
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Jul 24, 2015 12:36:11 GMT
Post by harr on Jul 24, 2015 12:36:11 GMT
I never heard it at all, did he mention anything about Green leaving, the reason i ask is because it is all over the tabloids and internet sites he is worried about losing Green and being left with Lumley, now if that is the case why did we not find out if Green was prepared to stay before selling McCarthy, now i dont know McCarthy would have stayed if he had been no 1 this season only he knows that, imo he should have been this season, enough said No mention of Green Leaving. Just said Mcarthy was in the team , think he said got injured and Rob was excellent from then onwards saving us at least 12 points in games. Said Lumley they have high hopes for and he will he the keeper for us in years to come . ( obviously our goalkeeper coach is doing wonders He said though in the intermediate time we would be getting a replacement for McCarthy
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Post by wrenboy61 on Jul 24, 2015 13:52:39 GMT
I listened last night and these are some of the impressions I came away with....
Austin will be with us unless top half club come in and pay £15 million!
We need defenders!
Funds are limited!
First target is not to go down!
I'm worried!
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Jul 24, 2015 16:24:25 GMT
Post by Macmoish on Jul 24, 2015 16:24:25 GMT
And this is why I'm so "down" on Tony Fernandes and his colleagues: This is what they've brought us to
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Jul 24, 2015 16:57:01 GMT
Post by Ashdown_Ranger on Jul 24, 2015 16:57:01 GMT
I listened last night and these are some of the impressions I came away with.... Austin will be with us unless top half club come in and pay £15 million! Fair enough, surely? We do... (don't we?) They are... (good thing too, surely??) Good first target... second target might be play-off place.... third target might be top 2 finish... And this is why I'm so "down" on Tony Fernandes and his colleagues: This is what they've brought us to What, financial proberty (at last), bringing in young, hungry players?? Mac, are you EVER happy...
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Jul 24, 2015 17:05:52 GMT
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Post by gje on Jul 24, 2015 17:05:52 GMT
Can anyone provide a link to the talk sport stuff with CR? All I got was a 4 minute piece on Charlie and 10 minutes on taraabt
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Jul 24, 2015 18:30:51 GMT
Post by harr on Jul 24, 2015 18:30:51 GMT
Can anyone provide a link to the talk sport stuff with CR? All I got was a 4 minute piece on Charlie and 10 minutes on taraabt talksport.com/radio/listen-again/1437674400Start with the 8pm one, he goes on about his coaching in that . Then move onto 8.30 9 and 9.30
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Jul 25, 2015 0:55:36 GMT
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Post by gje on Jul 25, 2015 0:55:36 GMT
Can anyone provide a link to the talk sport stuff with CR? All I got was a 4 minute piece on Charlie and 10 minutes on taraabt talksport.com/radio/listen-again/1437674400Start with the 8pm one, he goes on about his coaching in that . Then move onto 8.30 9 and 9.30Â Very interesting to listen to. Many thanks!
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Jul 25, 2015 7:18:36 GMT
Post by harr on Jul 25, 2015 7:18:36 GMT
Very interesting to listen to. Many thanks! Welcome
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Jul 25, 2015 8:39:55 GMT
Post by Roller on Jul 25, 2015 8:39:55 GMT
Thanks for the updates Harr. Talksport quite often put their interviews up as podcasts don't they? I'll have a look this evening. You need to bypass the first hour. Ramsey is on from 8-10. I listened to it on playback last night and this morning on my way to work. They do it in half hour segments. Thanks. A good listen I thought.
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Jul 25, 2015 9:01:18 GMT
Post by kenthoop on Jul 25, 2015 9:01:18 GMT
Donny keeper who we were supposedly looking at gone to FGR
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Jul 25, 2015 12:28:37 GMT
Post by wrenboy61 on Jul 25, 2015 12:28:37 GMT
I listened last night and these are some of the impressions I came away with.... Austin will be with us unless top half club come in and pay £15 million! Fair enough, surely? We do... (don't we?) They are... (good thing too, surely??) Good first target... second target might be play-off place.... third target might be top 2 finish... And this is why I'm so "down" on Tony Fernandes and his colleagues: This is what they've brought us to What, financial proberty (at last), bringing in young, hungry players?? Mac, are you EVER happy... My worries come not from the obvious but once again we are dealing with them at the last minute again!!! He admitted that he didn't think Austin would be with the club this season! So lower price a little and move him on or we end up with another Remy situation! He said he didn't expect to see any of the money from Sterling sale for transfers. For a club that has just been relegated with a massive parachute payment that for me is a real worry! So where is that money going? Defenders! Yes we need defenders but here we are again 3 weeks before the start of the season and still looking and new players who will have had no pre season with team. Not great as defence should have been a priority after last season. The back 4 at the moment look very suspect. Furlong still young but for me not there yet even at Championship level. Onuhah I like for pace but his decision making is poor.(can never make his mind up what he is going to do with ball) Caulker may be ok in Championship but gets dragged out of position all the time. Yun didn't look the same player when returned from injury. First target not going down! He did say that they will be pushing for promotion but main emphasis was on consolidation and not going down. I call that covering your arse!!! Of all the above the main thing that worried me was the Sterling money not for this season but for the future of the club!!!!
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Post by ingham on Jul 27, 2015 0:30:08 GMT
Ashdown, Mac isn't being carping and unreasonable about the remarkable things we've achieved, the profits we've salted away, enormous transfer fund we've accumulated, quality signings we've made, wonderful teams we've assembled, and the marvellous football we've played.
Just all the other stuff.
Criticism is unreasonable when the Club achieves one success after another. And perfectly justified on the back of one failure after another.
Results and performances count as evidence that we're getting it right, optimism is evidence of nothing. We have optimism in spades, usually unjustified. It costs us nothing because it is worth nothing. Optimistic projections are not an indication that all is going well any more than TF's tweets are an indication that he knows whether this is so or not. If optimism and positive thinking about QPR had proved well-founded, we would have something more than confidence that TF or Ramsey know what they're talking about. We would have something to be confident IN.
Realism is of far more use. For the best sides, realism doesn't diminish their status, it confirms it. They don't need to big themselves up, they have success, and their qualities and achievements are recognised by others. And realism gives the failures an indication of what they must do to change for the better.
Wanting to win, hoping we'll win, knowing we MIGHT win, that makes sense and is universal, especially at this stage, when we don't have anything much to go on in terms of results and performances. Hopes and doubts of any kind can reasonably be aired, in the absence of much in the way of facts.
As far as Ramsey goes, he is too recent an arrival on the QPR scene and has too short a track record to make up our minds about yet. But that cuts both ways. There is no reason to suppose he will be useless until his record tells us one way or the other. Until it does, and on the same basis, we have no reason to suppose he is any good either. Some will feel more anxious about him, some will be more sanguine. Like Harry. On second thoughts, not Harry.
It may seem to be beside the point, but looking on the bright side as 57's post suggests, it is a good omen that Ramsey's legendary namesake won the title of the top three divisions - and the League itself with a First XI that included five of his THIRD Division squad. So, no pressure. Aim high. Sir Alf's team would have made the 'Champions League', of course, even if they were without TF's 'world class talent'. They may be optimistic, Sir Alf actually did it. Maybe optimism agrees with the QPR Board, although optimism has always been slow to nail its trousers to that particular mast. And realism might well ask whether clinging on in the second tier is more our line than the Champions League the Mittal era regimes have been touting without ever doing the slightest thing to make it happen.
Pity, really. Successful Clubs have gone from no-hopers to winners, even title winners, in the time QPR have had under Fernandes. United in 1946, Leeds and Liverpool in the 60s, Derby and Forest somewhat later. By the end of this season, we'll have had the five years Herbert Chapman made use of between his triple title winning clubs in the 20s and 30s. Looked at in that way, I see why some supporters are concerned. To date, the QPR jigsaw puzzle hasn't had any overall shape, few pieces that fit, and no sooner do we tell ourselves how it all goes together than we've got rid of most of them, and started again, first on a more expensive scale, then on a smaller one. The puzzle eludes them, I suspect, because they started with the idea that QPR was too small, when it was their own talent, know-how and experience that was minimal, while the Club was just the size it was possible to grow it to with the talent available. Now our liabilities are big, our resources of talent small.
If they don't know which is the right way, what is the point of making changes year in and year out? If they do know what to do, why doesn't anything come out right? And if they can't be expected to cope, why are they here?
But seriously, though, no rush.
I can wait.
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Jul 27, 2015 9:14:54 GMT
Post by kilburnhoop on Jul 27, 2015 9:14:54 GMT
Ashdown, Mac isn't being carping and unreasonable about the remarkable things we've achieved, the profits we've salted away, enormous transfer fund we've accumulated, quality signings we've made, wonderful teams we've assembled, and the marvellous football we've played. Just all the other stuff. Criticism is unreasonable when the Club achieves one success after another. And perfectly justified on the back of one failure after another. Results and performances count as evidence that we're getting it right, optimism is evidence of nothing. We have optimism in spades, usually unjustified. It costs us nothing because it is worth nothing. Optimistic projections are not an indication that all is going well any more than TF's tweets are an indication that he knows whether this is so or not. If optimism and positive thinking about QPR had proved well-founded, we would have something more than confidence that TF or Ramsey know what they're talking about. We would have something to be confident IN. Realism is of far more use. For the best sides, realism doesn't diminish their status, it confirms it. They don't need to big themselves up, they have success, and their qualities and achievements are recognised by others. And realism gives the failures an indication of what they must do to change for the better. Wanting to win, hoping we'll win, knowing we MIGHT win, that makes sense and is universal, especially at this stage, when we don't have anything much to go on in terms of results and performances. Hopes and doubts of any kind can reasonably be aired, in the absence of much in the way of facts. As far as Ramsey goes, he is too recent an arrival on the QPR scene and has too short a track record to make up our minds about yet. But that cuts both ways. There is no reason to suppose he will be useless until his record tells us one way or the other. Until it does, and on the same basis, we have no reason to suppose he is any good either. Some will feel more anxious about him, some will be more sanguine. Like Harry. On second thoughts, not Harry. It may seem to be beside the point, but looking on the bright side as 57's post suggests, it is a good omen that Ramsey's legendary namesake won the title of the top three divisions - and the League itself with a First XI that included five of his THIRD Division squad. So, no pressure. Aim high. Sir Alf's team would have made the 'Champions League', of course, even if they were without TF's 'world class talent'. They may be optimistic, Sir Alf actually did it. Maybe optimism agrees with the QPR Board, although optimism has always been slow to nail its trousers to that particular mast. And realism might well ask whether clinging on in the second tier is more our line than the Champions League the Mittal era regimes have been touting without ever doing the slightest thing to make it happen. Pity, really. Successful Clubs have gone from no-hopers to winners, even title winners, in the time QPR have had under Fernandes. United in 1946, Leeds and Liverpool in the 60s, Derby and Forest somewhat later. By the end of this season, we'll have had the five years Herbert Chapman made use of between his triple title winning clubs in the 20s and 30s. Looked at in that way, I see why some supporters are concerned. To date, the QPR jigsaw puzzle hasn't had any overall shape, few pieces that fit, and no sooner do we tell ourselves how it all goes together than we've got rid of most of them, and started again, first on a more expensive scale, then on a smaller one. The puzzle eludes them, I suspect, because they started with the idea that QPR was too small, when it was their own talent, know-how and experience that was minimal, while the Club was just the size it was possible to grow it to with the talent available. Now our liabilities are big, our resources of talent small. If they don't know which is the right way, what is the point of making changes year in and year out? If they do know what to do, why doesn't anything come out right? And if they can't be expected to cope, why are they here? But seriously, though, no rush. I can wait. 3 out of the last 4 years years in the prem and a win at Wembley. Is this not an improvement then. You mention Derby, Forest, Leeds, United and Arsenals success. Have we ever been consistantly sucessful?. You mention 5 clubs out of 92. What have the other 87 done?. You also failed to mention Chelseas success which has been bought with over a billion quid, i wonder why?!
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Jul 27, 2015 9:35:28 GMT
Post by Macmoish on Jul 27, 2015 9:35:28 GMT
I'd say Tony Fernandes et al have run into the ground
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Jul 27, 2015 12:10:28 GMT
Post by sharky on Jul 27, 2015 12:10:28 GMT
I'd say Tony Fernandes et al have run into the ground Don't fully understand what you mean Mac. Are you saying they have run the Club into the ground?
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Post by Dufster on Jul 27, 2015 12:55:50 GMT
Ashdown, Mac isn't being carping and unreasonable about the remarkable things we've achieved, the profits we've salted away, enormous transfer fund we've accumulated, quality signings we've made, wonderful teams we've assembled, and the marvellous football we've played. Just all the other stuff. Criticism is unreasonable when the Club achieves one success after another. And perfectly justified on the back of one failure after another. Results and performances count as evidence that we're getting it right, optimism is evidence of nothing. We have optimism in spades, usually unjustified. It costs us nothing because it is worth nothing. Optimistic projections are not an indication that all is going well any more than TF's tweets are an indication that he knows whether this is so or not. If optimism and positive thinking about QPR had proved well-founded, we would have something more than confidence that TF or Ramsey know what they're talking about. We would have something to be confident IN. Realism is of far more use. For the best sides, realism doesn't diminish their status, it confirms it. They don't need to big themselves up, they have success, and their qualities and achievements are recognised by others. And realism gives the failures an indication of what they must do to change for the better. Wanting to win, hoping we'll win, knowing we MIGHT win, that makes sense and is universal, especially at this stage, when we don't have anything much to go on in terms of results and performances. Hopes and doubts of any kind can reasonably be aired, in the absence of much in the way of facts. As far as Ramsey goes, he is too recent an arrival on the QPR scene and has too short a track record to make up our minds about yet. But that cuts both ways. There is no reason to suppose he will be useless until his record tells us one way or the other. Until it does, and on the same basis, we have no reason to suppose he is any good either. Some will feel more anxious about him, some will be more sanguine. Like Harry. On second thoughts, not Harry. It may seem to be beside the point, but looking on the bright side as 57's post suggests, it is a good omen that Ramsey's legendary namesake won the title of the top three divisions - and the League itself with a First XI that included five of his THIRD Division squad. So, no pressure. Aim high. Sir Alf's team would have made the 'Champions League', of course, even if they were without TF's 'world class talent'. They may be optimistic, Sir Alf actually did it. Maybe optimism agrees with the QPR Board, although optimism has always been slow to nail its trousers to that particular mast. And realism might well ask whether clinging on in the second tier is more our line than the Champions League the Mittal era regimes have been touting without ever doing the slightest thing to make it happen. Pity, really. Successful Clubs have gone from no-hopers to winners, even title winners, in the time QPR have had under Fernandes. United in 1946, Leeds and Liverpool in the 60s, Derby and Forest somewhat later. By the end of this season, we'll have had the five years Herbert Chapman made use of between his triple title winning clubs in the 20s and 30s. Looked at in that way, I see why some supporters are concerned. To date, the QPR jigsaw puzzle hasn't had any overall shape, few pieces that fit, and no sooner do we tell ourselves how it all goes together than we've got rid of most of them, and started again, first on a more expensive scale, then on a smaller one. The puzzle eludes them, I suspect, because they started with the idea that QPR was too small, when it was their own talent, know-how and experience that was minimal, while the Club was just the size it was possible to grow it to with the talent available. Now our liabilities are big, our resources of talent small. If they don't know which is the right way, what is the point of making changes year in and year out? If they do know what to do, why doesn't anything come out right? And if they can't be expected to cope, why are they here? But seriously, though, no rush. I can wait. 3 out of the last 4 years years in the prem and a win at Wembley. Is this not an improvement then. You mention Derby, Forest, Leeds, United and Arsenals success. Have we ever been consistantly sucessful?. You mention 5 clubs out of 92. What have the other 87 done?. You also failed to mention Chelseas success which has been bought with over a billion quid, i wonder why?! Kilburn....from a financial perspective we are in an awful state, we are in the Championship with a gate capacity of 18k+ but we are carrying the debt of a Champions league club!!!!!!
Your right Chelsea currently carry the highest amount of debt than any other Club in the UK.....just shy of a £1 Billion I believe, but their revenue performance is at a healthy £350million per season so their debt to revenue ratio is quite normal.
The key difference being our revenue is no where near that of a Champions League side! Any how this has all been well documented on previous threads!
So ultimately although we are a football club we are now 1st and foremost a business.
And fiscal health is the fundamental yard stick all business are measured by...with the CEO being ultimately held responsible for the success or failure of that business performance.
I keep hearing the current club leadership team emphasise how we are now in a re building phase and we must be patient as success may take time and we must just hope that they have got it right!
But....
We do know that in any other business our current CEO would have been sacked on his revenue performance long ago. We do know the current Management team actually made the squad of players they inherited last season perform even worse than the previous Manager! We know that in order to improve our dreadful financial position we need increase our revenue performance. We do know we have some good players but its likely that we will lose some of those to Premiership clubs before this TW is over and this will raise cash.
So we are left hoping that the decisions the current Management team have made will bear fruit and hoping that our 2 x CEO perform better together.
Sadly hope is not a strategy.....but if they have got it wrong (which they have so far) our beloved club could be in very serious trouble!
Not trying to be dramatic or un reasonable...just accepting of our reality!
C'mon you R'sssss
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Post by bowranger on Jul 27, 2015 12:56:40 GMT
Ashdown, Mac isn't being carping and unreasonable about the remarkable things we've achieved, the profits we've salted away, enormous transfer fund we've accumulated, quality signings we've made, wonderful teams we've assembled, and the marvellous football we've played. Just all the other stuff. Criticism is unreasonable when the Club achieves one success after another. And perfectly justified on the back of one failure after another. Results and performances count as evidence that we're getting it right, optimism is evidence of nothing. We have optimism in spades, usually unjustified. It costs us nothing because it is worth nothing. Optimistic projections are not an indication that all is going well any more than TF's tweets are an indication that he knows whether this is so or not. If optimism and positive thinking about QPR had proved well-founded, we would have something more than confidence that TF or Ramsey know what they're talking about. We would have something to be confident IN. Realism is of far more use. For the best sides, realism doesn't diminish their status, it confirms it. They don't need to big themselves up, they have success, and their qualities and achievements are recognised by others. And realism gives the failures an indication of what they must do to change for the better. Wanting to win, hoping we'll win, knowing we MIGHT win, that makes sense and is universal, especially at this stage, when we don't have anything much to go on in terms of results and performances. Hopes and doubts of any kind can reasonably be aired, in the absence of much in the way of facts. As far as Ramsey goes, he is too recent an arrival on the QPR scene and has too short a track record to make up our minds about yet. But that cuts both ways. There is no reason to suppose he will be useless until his record tells us one way or the other. Until it does, and on the same basis, we have no reason to suppose he is any good either. Some will feel more anxious about him, some will be more sanguine. Like Harry. On second thoughts, not Harry. It may seem to be beside the point, but looking on the bright side as 57's post suggests, it is a good omen that Ramsey's legendary namesake won the title of the top three divisions - and the League itself with a First XI that included five of his THIRD Division squad. So, no pressure. Aim high. Sir Alf's team would have made the 'Champions League', of course, even if they were without TF's 'world class talent'. They may be optimistic, Sir Alf actually did it. Maybe optimism agrees with the QPR Board, although optimism has always been slow to nail its trousers to that particular mast. And realism might well ask whether clinging on in the second tier is more our line than the Champions League the Mittal era regimes have been touting without ever doing the slightest thing to make it happen. Pity, really. Successful Clubs have gone from no-hopers to winners, even title winners, in the time QPR have had under Fernandes. United in 1946, Leeds and Liverpool in the 60s, Derby and Forest somewhat later. By the end of this season, we'll have had the five years Herbert Chapman made use of between his triple title winning clubs in the 20s and 30s. Looked at in that way, I see why some supporters are concerned. To date, the QPR jigsaw puzzle hasn't had any overall shape, few pieces that fit, and no sooner do we tell ourselves how it all goes together than we've got rid of most of them, and started again, first on a more expensive scale, then on a smaller one. The puzzle eludes them, I suspect, because they started with the idea that QPR was too small, when it was their own talent, know-how and experience that was minimal, while the Club was just the size it was possible to grow it to with the talent available. Now our liabilities are big, our resources of talent small. If they don't know which is the right way, what is the point of making changes year in and year out? If they do know what to do, why doesn't anything come out right? And if they can't be expected to cope, why are they here? But seriously, though, no rush. I can wait. 3 out of the last 4 years years in the prem and a win at Wembley. Is this not an improvement then. You mention Derby, Forest, Leeds, United and Arsenals success. Have we ever been consistantly sucessful?. You mention 5 clubs out of 92. What have the other 87 done?. You also failed to mention Chelseas success which has been bought with over a billion quid, i wonder why?! Can't speak for ingham but I imagine he's mentioned those clubs in reference to our boardroom's stated aims over the years. As in, we've had changes in boardroom staff and our stated expectations have ranged from Champions League football to being a steady, consistent Premier League level club to, now, being a consolidated Championship club going through a transitional period. So in terms of our higher aspirations which we've not hit, you can compare instances of success to our level of failure. I'm not saying Wembley and the premier league excursions were failures in themselves, on paper that's massive for a club of our size. Bu they were failures in terms of the expectations and aspirations set by different people in the powerful positions at our club and in terms of the level of expenditure that accompanied them. In terms of the 87 other clubs, I think it's more the fact that most of those examples aren't relevant as they havn't gone through the same kind of upheaval we have and had their boardrooms making explicit goals in terms of success that havn't been met (nor been saddled with the sheer level of debt in relation to our income). Why compare ourselves to all 92 clubs when most of them aren't comparable to our situation?
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