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Post by RoryTheRanger on May 20, 2015 14:41:49 GMT
Out of interest, who did you want us to appoint as the new manager? Paul Lambert would have been a good stable manager to help rebuild. Might not have all the bells, whistles & glam but tried and tested. For good attacking football - Michael Laudrup. Both better choices. Dear god Laudrup. I don't understand how people can still even consider him a genuine option for any club after what happened at Swansea....
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Post by FloridaR on May 20, 2015 14:51:57 GMT
Paul Lambert would have been a good stable manager to help rebuild. Might not have all the bells, whistles & glam but tried and tested. For good attacking football - Michael Laudrup. Both better choices. Dear god Laudrup. I don't understand how people can still even consider him a genuine option for any club after what happened at Swansea.... I thought about that myself but he's vastly more experienced than Ramsey.
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Post by sharky on May 20, 2015 15:06:19 GMT
Dear god Laudrup. I don't understand how people can still even consider him a genuine option for any club after what happened at Swansea.... I thought about that myself but he's vastly more experienced than Ramsey. So was Hughes and look what a shower of sh1t he turned out to be!
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Post by RoryTheRanger on May 20, 2015 16:02:18 GMT
I thought about that myself but he's vastly more experienced than Ramsey. So was Hughes and look what a shower of sh1t he turned out to be! Exactly mate. "Experienced" is really just a con, it does't matter in the slightest in my opinion. Wasn't that long ago Warburton had no experience either, and that's included coaching, yet now he's the next best thing and everyone is hyping him up.
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Post by nomar on May 20, 2015 17:35:22 GMT
Out of interest, who did you want us to appoint as the new manager? Paul Lambert would have been a good stable manager to help rebuild. Might not have all the bells, whistles & glam but tried and tested. For good attacking football - Michael Laudrup. Both better choices. Interesting. Lambert was taking Villa down, managed to turn Benteke into Danny Graham and was more negative than Redknapp. I wonder how excited QPR fans would have been at seeing another season of trying to win games 1-0. Laudrup caused massive rifts between players at Swansea and was notorious for not taking training sessions or even bothering to organise them at Swansea. Based on the kind of toxic dressing room we had when Redknapp took over and how much flak fans gave him for allegedly not taking training sessions would a manager notorious for exactly the same issues that sunk this club and caused disenchantment amongst the fans really be the right appointment to usher in a new era? They're both interesting names and have had success on previous roles but I'm not sure they'd actually add any new dynamic to us.
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Post by bowranger on May 20, 2015 17:56:41 GMT
So was Hughes and look what a shower of sh1t he turned out to be! Exactly mate. "Experienced" is really just a con, it does't matter in the slightest in my opinion. Wasn't that long ago Warburton had no experience either, and that's included coaching, yet now he's the next best thing and everyone is hyping him up. I think experience is a factor, but I think it's maybe over-rated in terms of how we're calculating who the best person to take QPR forward is. Like with Rory's point about Warburton - we would have written him off as not being experienced enough for the job prior to what he did at Brentford and in turn missed out on a promising manager (not that we were in for him back then, like). I definitely agree that we're taking a bit of a punt on Ramsey experience-wise - but how many managerial appointments have we made in the last 5-10 years based largely on their experience in the game and how successful have they been? Or to put it another way, considering our managerial track record, is Ramsey really anywhere near as much of a risk as the experienced heads we've had at QPR who've tried and failed? You have to give people a chance sometimes, scary as that can be. Lambert and Laudrup were promising young managers once who needed a chance, right? Though I'd want neither of them at QPR.
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Post by Lonegunmen on May 20, 2015 21:08:10 GMT
New CEO, Ramsey given the chance to build his own squad, lots of freeloaders off contract. This could be an i teresting new era we are entering. Not all negative either. Jago had to start somewhere and if Ramsey does start playing young players consistant, who knows how they may develop. But if they are just going to sit on the bench, this would not help. Keep Henry, perhaps Barton and Dunne. Move Hill into a coaching roll. He's too slow now and his experience is not an advantage anymore as such, except in coaching.
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Post by nomar on May 21, 2015 6:46:09 GMT
The problems at QPR have been far less about who the manager is and far more about the structure around him.
As we've proven, if you don't get it right behind the scenes then you've got little hope of succeeding regardless of how good or experienced your manager is.
Paolo Sousa, not good enough for Championship level QPR but now manages a Champions League team.
Mark Hughes fails miserably at QPR, replaces Tony 'everybody's favourite to save QPR from relegation' Pulis at Stoke and achieves continued success and leads them to their highest ever Prem finish.
Just 2 examples of managers who've failed at QPR but are enjoying great success elsewhere.
The same thing happens to players too. Hoilett, Caulker, M'Bia and Mutch to name but a few, all looked great until they came to us and in M'Bia's case he's looked good afterwards too.
Same common thread in every case.
Ramsey has a much better chance to succeed here, despite his lack of Championship experience, because the club finally appears to be addressing all the off field issues that have generated the culture of failure that has handicapped us for years now.
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Post by jjqpr on May 21, 2015 11:43:32 GMT
The problems at QPR have been far less about who the manager is and far more about the structure around him. As we've proven, if you don't get it right behind the scenes then you've got little hope of succeeding regardless of how good or experienced your manager is. Paolo Sousa, not good enough for Championship level QPR but now manages a Champions League team. Mark Hughes fails miserably at QPR, replaces Tony 'everybody's favourite to save QPR from relegation' Pulis at Stoke and achieves continued success and leads them to their highest ever Prem finish. Just 2 examples of managers who've failed at QPR but are enjoying great success elsewhere. The same thing happens to players too. Hoilett, Caulker, M'Bia and Mutch to name but a few, all looked great until they came to us and in M'Bia's case he's looked good afterwards too. Same common thread in every case. Ramsey has a much better chance to succeed here, despite his lack of Championship experience, because the club finally appears to be addressing all the off field issues that have generated the culture of failure that has handicapped us for years now. There's plenty who have done OK here too, Charlie didn't exactly suffer by us, Green back in the England squad, Phillips has shown with the right manager he is a class act. Adel played well under managers who didn't call him a fruitcake There are players with the right attitude and players with the wrong attitude. Also a lot of confidence players. I still blame Hughes for the majority of the poisonous bad attitude players, HR didn't help signing all his old boys who were mostly past it. Hopefully Ramsey will get it right. I don't think top level politics should affect the 11 players on the pitch for 90 minutes.
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Post by bowranger on May 21, 2015 12:10:20 GMT
The problems at QPR have been far less about who the manager is and far more about the structure around him. As we've proven, if you don't get it right behind the scenes then you've got little hope of succeeding regardless of how good or experienced your manager is. Paolo Sousa, not good enough for Championship level QPR but now manages a Champions League team. Mark Hughes fails miserably at QPR, replaces Tony 'everybody's favourite to save QPR from relegation' Pulis at Stoke and achieves continued success and leads them to their highest ever Prem finish. Just 2 examples of managers who've failed at QPR but are enjoying great success elsewhere. The same thing happens to players too. Hoilett, Caulker, M'Bia and Mutch to name but a few, all looked great until they came to us and in M'Bia's case he's looked good afterwards too. Same common thread in every case. Ramsey has a much better chance to succeed here, despite his lack of Championship experience, because the club finally appears to be addressing all the off field issues that have generated the culture of failure that has handicapped us for years now. There's plenty who have done OK here too, Charlie didn't exactly suffer by us, Green back in the England squad, Phillips has shown with the right manager he is a class act. Adel played well under managers who didn't call him a fruitcake There are players with the right attitude and players with the wrong attitude. Also a lot of confidence players. I still blame Hughes for the majority of the poisonous bad attitude players, HR didn't help signing all his old boys who were mostly past it. Hopefully Ramsey will get it right. I don't think top level politics should affect the 11 players on the pitch for 90 minutes. Get your point about how it shouldn't, but it's not just an issue with 'top level politics' - they are just indicative of something more - it's about the culture of how a club is ran. Its standards, its principles, what is expected of staff, playing or otherwise - is something that has to flow all the way through the club, from the chairman to the person who washes the kit, it has to be consistent. So there are players that you rightly point out have done well (although I think it says a lot when we are impressed by buying a good standard of player and them remaining good) - but we've rarely, in recent years, actively made players better. Think nomar's right with many examples. I'd say that the most alarming thing about all this, which again points to the standards (or lack of) throughout the club, is that players have actively got worse here. Players who have actually been seemingly sensible purchases have actively regressed during their time here and that has to go back to the culture that permeates the club I think.
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Post by blatantfowl on May 21, 2015 12:51:26 GMT
I don't think any thought was put into planning the ethos of the club four years ago. Instead it was just TF shouting "come on everybody, follow me. Everything is going to be brilliant!"
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Post by corndog on May 21, 2015 15:33:58 GMT
--------McCarthy------- Furlong--Ehmer--Dunne---Yun ----Doughty---Henry------ Petrasso--------Manning-- --New Signing--Greco Cox--
Bench:
Lennox Sutherland Donaldson Harriman Gibbons Possibly Kpekawa, Pattie and Mitchell as well.
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Post by jjqpr on May 21, 2015 19:18:59 GMT
There's plenty who have done OK here too, Charlie didn't exactly suffer by us, Green back in the England squad, Phillips has shown with the right manager he is a class act. Adel played well under managers who didn't call him a fruitcake There are players with the right attitude and players with the wrong attitude. Also a lot of confidence players. I still blame Hughes for the majority of the poisonous bad attitude players, HR didn't help signing all his old boys who were mostly past it. Hopefully Ramsey will get it right. I don't think top level politics should affect the 11 players on the pitch for 90 minutes. Get your point about how it shouldn't, but it's not just an issue with 'top level politics' - they are just indicative of something more - it's about the culture of how a club is ran. Its standards, its principles, what is expected of staff, playing or otherwise - is something that has to flow all the way through the club, from the chairman to the person who washes the kit, it has to be consistent. So there are players that you rightly point out have done well (although I think it says a lot when we are impressed by buying a good standard of player and them remaining good) - but we've rarely, in recent years, actively made players better. Think nomar's right with many examples. I'd say that the most alarming thing about all this, which again points to the standards (or lack of) throughout the club, is that players have actively got worse here. Players who have actually been seemingly sensible purchases have actively regressed during their time here and that has to go back to the culture that permeates the club I think. Right but look at Falcao and De Maria at Manure, look at Bale who seems to have gone down hill at Real, I thought Liverpools various signings would have done well but most have flopped badly... I don't think we're in bad company then when it comes to players regressing! But I do get your point otherwise. It would be nice to think we could nurture talent into something for our future!
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Post by Roller on May 21, 2015 19:45:31 GMT
--------McCarthy------- Furlong--Ehmer--Dunne---Yun ----Doughty---Henry------ Petrasso--------Manning-- --New Signing--Greco Cox-- Bench: Lennox Sutherland Donaldson Harriman Gibbons Possibly Kpekawa, Pattie and Mitchell as well. Interesting line up, although Gibbons will not be on the bench as he has been released. That second striker berth would be vital. I'd guess all we'd need is an established, injury resistant 20 goals a season man who would not need time to adjust to this country or The Championship. With those players I'd probably go for a 4-2-3-1 with either Mitchell or Sutherland in the centre of the 3.
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Post by harr on May 21, 2015 21:19:03 GMT
Everyones forgetting we gave DIAKITE a 4 Year deal. Has another year to run , he can be our saviour
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Post by Marc on May 21, 2015 21:24:25 GMT
Everyones forgetting we gave DIAKITE a 4 Year deal. Has another year to run , he can be our saviour Here's a challenge for you then. Who's the most likely to be our hero next season,Tarbs or Diakite (and you're not allowed to say neither. )
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Post by harr on May 21, 2015 22:30:27 GMT
Everyones forgetting we gave DIAKITE a 4 Year deal. Has another year to run , he can be our saviour Here's a challenge for you then. Who's the most likely to be our hero next season,Tarbs or Diakite (and you're not allowed to say neither. ) Well if its out of those two I choose Stroppy Tarbs as Diakite is pants
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Post by corndog on May 22, 2015 2:05:43 GMT
--------McCarthy------- Furlong--Ehmer--Dunne---Yun ----Doughty---Henry------ Petrasso--------Manning-- --New Signing--Greco Cox-- Bench: Lennox Sutherland Donaldson Harriman Gibbons Possibly Kpekawa, Pattie and Mitchell as well. Interesting line up, although Gibbons will not be on the bench as he has been released. That second striker berth would be vital. I'd guess all we'd need is an established, injury resistant 20 goals a season man who would not need time to adjust to this country or The Championship. With those players I'd probably go for a 4-2-3-1 with either Mitchell or Sutherland in the centre of the 3. I thought I heard something about Gibbons, but he is still listed on the U-21s on the official page. I think Sutherland is the more first team ready, between him and Mitchell. He seems like more of a defensive midfielder than Doughty, but he can score goals and has pace. I think both Sutherland and Doughty are first team ready and if we don't get a striker signed, or retain Austin, then I would agree with 4-2-3-1 as the formation.
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Post by RoryTheRanger on May 22, 2015 10:52:13 GMT
Interesting line up, although Gibbons will not be on the bench as he has been released. That second striker berth would be vital. I'd guess all we'd need is an established, injury resistant 20 goals a season man who would not need time to adjust to this country or The Championship. With those players I'd probably go for a 4-2-3-1 with either Mitchell or Sutherland in the centre of the 3. I thought I heard something about Gibbons, but he is still listed on the U-21s on the official page. I think Sutherland is the more first team ready, between him and Mitchell. He seems like more of a defensive midfielder than Doughty, but he can score goals and has pace. I think both Sutherland and Doughty are first team ready and if we don't get a striker signed, or retain Austin, then I would agree with 4-2-3-1 as the formation. Gibbons will be listed up until his contract runs out on the 1st July. Sutherland is an attacking midfielder by the way, plays just behind the striker. Out of all the youth, I think Doughty is the most ready for first team, Grego-Cox close behind him. The wild card next season will be Ryan Manning who was brought in for the sole purpose of being in the first team next season.
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Post by corndog on May 22, 2015 18:21:46 GMT
I thought I heard something about Gibbons, but he is still listed on the U-21s on the official page. I think Sutherland is the more first team ready, between him and Mitchell. He seems like more of a defensive midfielder than Doughty, but he can score goals and has pace. I think both Sutherland and Doughty are first team ready and if we don't get a striker signed, or retain Austin, then I would agree with 4-2-3-1 as the formation. Gibbons will be listed up until his contract runs out on the 1st July. Sutherland is an attacking midfielder by the way, plays just behind the striker. Out of all the youth, I think Doughty is the most ready for first team, Grego-Cox close behind him. The wild card next season will be Ryan Manning who was brought in for the sole purpose of being in the first team next season. Interesting, I just remember seeing Sutherland in a preseason game and he was playing in the defensive midfielder position. He looked pretty good in the few games I saw him. I am almost certain Doughty will be starting next season and Grego-Cox will get significant playing time. Also what do you think of Petrasso? Seems like he could be ready as well.
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Post by RoryTheRanger on May 22, 2015 19:22:28 GMT
Gibbons will be listed up until his contract runs out on the 1st July. Sutherland is an attacking midfielder by the way, plays just behind the striker. Out of all the youth, I think Doughty is the most ready for first team, Grego-Cox close behind him. The wild card next season will be Ryan Manning who was brought in for the sole purpose of being in the first team next season. Interesting, I just remember seeing Sutherland in a preseason game and he was playing in the defensive midfielder position. He looked pretty good in the few games I saw him. I am almost certain Doughty will be starting next season and Grego-Cox will get significant playing time. Also what do you think of Petrasso? Seems like he could be ready as well. I really rate Petrasso but due to his lack of football recently (thanks to injury) I think he may need another 3 month loan further down the leagues, preferably to a League One club
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Post by corndog on May 23, 2015 0:11:04 GMT
Interesting, I just remember seeing Sutherland in a preseason game and he was playing in the defensive midfielder position. He looked pretty good in the few games I saw him. I am almost certain Doughty will be starting next season and Grego-Cox will get significant playing time. Also what do you think of Petrasso? Seems like he could be ready as well. I really rate Petrasso but due to his lack of football recently (thanks to injury) I think he may need another 3 month loan further down the leagues, preferably to a League One club Okay, I thought he was solid, but it would be good to get him physically caught up. The good thing is we still have Phillips and I don't believe he is on ridiculous wages. So we could probably hold onto him until at least January and then bring Petrasso into the squad.
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Post by northolt on May 24, 2015 9:49:29 GMT
Look out for Brandon Comley hope he can make the step up. Could be a good player
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