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Post by Marc on May 19, 2015 22:16:39 GMT
Again, what has whether I've coached got to do with anything? Just to pick up on a few points.
SWP - Who was it that Fer ran over to give a hug after he scored on Saturday?Furlong/Onouha - played right back when Isla wasn't available (this has been covered so may times on here as well as the Vargas issue, do people the courtesy of having a read) Hoilett - Wasn't played instead of Isla at any point Traore - Fast but lazy and a liability this season Zamora - helped Austin to quite a few goals this season and has scored a couple of good 'uns himself. Hill - Has only covered at left back when Yun was injured And Ramsey wasn't involved with Redknapp and this team before he took it over. Do yourself a favour and do a little research before you spout the rubbish that you do. It was Phillips who ran and kissed SWP. What makes Hoillet a better player than Isla on right mid ? Hill was played ahead of Yun in quiet a few important games. West Ham being one of them. Rest.. for the sake of argument we obviously we understand and see the game from a different perspective. Phillips/Fer, does it really make a difference? Hardly a display of resentment, was it? Nothing to do with seeing the game from different perspectives, you just keep spouting a load of nonsense about coach's favs and players being pissed off when so csalled less talented players are played ahead of them with absolutely nothing to back it up. I see Rory's already debunked your rubbish about Hoilett playing ahead of Isla in right midfield, especially given that's where Phillips plays. Also, I believe Yun was on the bench for the West Ham game as it was his first game back after injury. |
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Post by steeleyranger on May 19, 2015 22:17:21 GMT
What a strange bunch QPR supporters are! They ask for stability, they ask for us to go back to how the club once was. They don't want a manager signing on old has -beens , or overpaid players. They want youngsters to be given a chance, they want to see the Club developing etc etc and as soon as the Club appoint a Head coach ( note not the manager) who is ideally suited to meet all of these 'requests', has vast experience of coaching at all levels, prepared to give youth a chance, prepared to develop and actually coach players they slate the decision as 'shocking',are prepared to stop their season tickets and predict Div 1/relegation!!
I'm sorry but I find it ridiculous! I'll always back the players/coaches of my club ( 56 years+). Yes I'll be critical of players and coaches when their attitude and play warrants it but to not get behind a new coach and new team before the real job starts, in my opinion is wrong. Interesting that out of Redknapp,Hughes, Warnock, Ramsey it's still Ramsey that has the highest win % in the Premiership!! Not great %'s I know but still worth mentioning. Let's give him a chance--it's a new era ,hopefully and we've tried the instant quick fix approach with high profile managers and it's not worked and we've become poorer in all ways as a result!This new approach will require patience from everyone and it should take some time before we are ready for the Premiership again. It may not happen at all but let's at least give them a chance and support them!!
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Post by Bushman on May 19, 2015 22:18:08 GMT
I'd wager Ramseys 3 year contract won't cost as much as 1 year for "I interviewed the club" Hughes or the 'triffic Redknapp. *Cheap* |
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Post by FloridaR on May 20, 2015 0:45:36 GMT
I'll have to go through all the matches I've recorded and come back to you to confirm who exactly played where but you are trying to pick at needles in a haystack like your inexperienced buddy Fabs.
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Post by FloridaR on May 20, 2015 0:58:51 GMT
It was Phillips who ran and kissed SWP. What makes Hoillet a better player than Isla on right mid ? Hill was played ahead of Yun in quiet a few important games. West Ham being one of them. Rest.. for the sake of argument we obviously we understand and see the game from a different perspective. Phillips/Fer, does it really make a difference? Hardly a display of resentment, was it? Nothing to do with seeing the game from different perspectives, you just keep spouting a load of nonsense about coach's favs and players being pissed off when so csalled less talented players are played ahead of them with absolutely nothing to back it up. I see Rory's already debunked your rubbish about Hoilett playing ahead of Isla in right midfield, especially given that's where Phillips plays. Also, I believe Yun was on the bench for the West Ham game as it was his first game back after injury. Your buddy hasn't debunked a nothing.I was speaking to you, I addressed him. You got it wrong - Phillips went and gave a big wet hug to SWP. You say nonsense but you aren't even a practicing coach or have been a coach (by the sounds of it) so how could you get the real feel or understand the players season and problems within that affect the players !? Like I say we see differently. |
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Post by Macmoish on May 20, 2015 6:38:58 GMT
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Post by Macmoish on May 20, 2015 6:39:41 GMT
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Post by Marc on May 20, 2015 7:56:40 GMT
Phillips/Fer, does it really make a difference? Hardly a display of resentment, was it? Nothing to do with seeing the game from different perspectives, you just keep spouting a load of nonsense about coach's favs and players being pissed off when so csalled less talented players are played ahead of them with absolutely nothing to back it up. I see Rory's already debunked your rubbish about Hoilett playing ahead of Isla in right midfield, especially given that's where Phillips plays. Also, I believe Yun was on the bench for the West Ham game as it was his first game back after injury. Your buddy hasn't debunked a nothing.I was speaking to you, I addressed him. You got it wrong - Phillips went and gave a big wet hug to SWP. You say nonsense but you aren't even a practicing coach or have been a coach (by the sounds of it) so how could you get the real feel or understand the players season and problems within that affect the players !? Like I say we see differently. Yes, I go it wrong about Fer/Phillips. I've already acknowledged that. I also said that it made no difference which player it was who- ran and hugged SWP, the original point5 is still valid but I'd suggest that point is lost on you due to reading difficulties. And for the 3rd time, WTF has whether I'm a practising coach got to do with anything? The stuff you're posting is nonsense because it's based on complete falsehoods! It's been pointed out to you so many times in regards to why certain players have played at certain times, it's becoming a joke and we also pointed out that your statement that Hoilett played instead of Isla was complete crap because Hoilett hasn't played RM this season which is Phillip's position anyway. At least have the common decency to acknowledge that rather than your obvious standpoint that you are a coach and therefore everybody else is wrong! |
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Post by kilburnhoop on May 20, 2015 9:55:19 GMT
Their statement should have read, continue the good progress the club have made with regard to transfer policy and youth. Average age of our last 8 permanent signings excluding Rio was 23 years. Furlong, cox and doughty made their debuts and a host of youth players making the bench.  |
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Post by bowranger on May 20, 2015 12:34:01 GMT
For me, it boils down to the fact that it's a calculated risk. With that in mind, I genuinely can't think of a realistic, available, affordable manager who would take the QPR job under the current circumstances who would necessarily be better than Chris Ramsey for QPR going forward - or indeed, who would be less of a risk in other ways than Chris Ramsey. Would happily be proved wrong but to me, it's the least risky option for how much of a mess we're in. Like I've said, I'm not fully convinced by him, it could go either way. But being optimistic about it, the benefits he could be bring could be really exciting.
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Post by Lonegunmen on May 20, 2015 20:37:29 GMT
"Good luck Chris Ramsey" has a spectre of doom ring about it.
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Post by Macmoish on May 20, 2015 21:46:10 GMT
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Post by maude on May 20, 2015 22:21:15 GMT
"Good luck Chris Ramsey" has a spectre of doom ring about it. Pretty much the same as 'Ramsey will send us down' then. |
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Post by sirles13 on May 21, 2015 12:23:44 GMT
I don't think that the board had any choice but to appoint Ramsey. With the threat of FFP and a possible transfer ban no manager would have taken the job as there would be no promises of funds or the ability to change the squad. Until all this uncertainty is cleared up and due to the past mistakes this was the only decision.
The contract is probably hugely less then previous managers with success bonuses not upfront monies and therefore if Ramsey doesn't succeed the cost to the club will be relatively minimal
What it does do is if their is a transfer ban or lack of ambition from the board to throw more money at players it gives the only person who understands the younger players and has the backing of most players to hopefully keep the ship on an even keel
The board has to on paper give him a longer contract to give stability to the situation but none of us know the clauses or exit possibilities in the wording
This is purely a defensive holding decision by the board who as well as having the uncertainty of FFP to deal with also probably have the uncertainty of even remaining financially committed until the longer term development opportunities or business cash flow pressures (air asia)are more fully resolved
So in my mind the board had no choice but to operate in this manner and a year from now anything is possible both good and bad in respect of their future plans and willingness to further invest
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Post by paulmason on May 21, 2015 12:51:12 GMT
Sirles13 If what you say is true (I think it is) what the club need to do before they release season ticket details is say so. -They should tell the fans we wont be buying proven players and will be running with mainly U21's and bargain basement players (Derry. Hill & Mackie etc) - They should tell the fans that Ramsey is ideal for the transitional period, due to his previous work with youngsters. - They should tell the fans that they don't expect us to be pushing for promotion next season. - They should tell the fans that their support is needed more, than ever before to bring on the next Allen, Gallen, Dichio etc. If level with the fans and be truthful, no one will moan about results next year. If they don't and people feel hoodwinked, there will be murders if the season does not start that well. Read more: qprreport.proboards.com/thread/41412/ramsey-appointed?page=4#ixzz3amG0VpWJ |
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Post by kilburnhoop on May 21, 2015 13:20:42 GMT
Sirles13 If what you say is true (I think it is) what the club need to do before they release season ticket details is say so. -They should tell the fans we wont be buying proven players and will be running with mainly U21's and bargain basement players (Derry. Hill & Mackie etc) - They should tell the fans that Ramsey is ideal for the transitional period, due to his previous work with youngsters. - They should tell the fans that they don't expect us to be pushing for promotion next season. - They should tell the fans that their support is needed more, than ever before to bring on the next Allen, Gallen, Dichio etc. If level with the fans and be truthful, no one will moan about results next year. If they don't and people feel hoodwinked, there will be murders if the season does not start that well. Read more: qprreport.proboards.com/thread/41412/ramsey-appointed?page=4#ixzz3amG0VpWJRidiculous statement, you pay your money to support your team. Supporting your team should not have clauses inserted. Bring back Tarrabt that would guarantee extra season ticket sales!!. |
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Post by paulmason on May 21, 2015 14:35:11 GMT
Sirles13 If what you say is true (I think it is) what the club need to do before they release season ticket details is say so. -They should tell the fans we wont be buying proven players and will be running with mainly U21's and bargain basement players (Derry. Hill & Mackie etc) - They should tell the fans that Ramsey is ideal for the transitional period, due to his previous work with youngsters. - They should tell the fans that they don't expect us to be pushing for promotion next season. - They should tell the fans that their support is needed more, than ever before to bring on the next Allen, Gallen, Dichio etc. If level with the fans and be truthful, no one will moan about results next year. If they don't and people feel hoodwinked, there will be murders if the season does not start that well. Read more: qprreport.proboards.com/thread/41412/ramsey-appointed?page=4#ixzz3amG0VpWJRidiculous statement, you pay your money to support your team. Supporting your team should not have clauses inserted. Bring back Tarrabt that would guarantee extra season ticket sales!!. I think you missed my point. Its not about inserting clauses, its about setting realistic expectations. |
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Post by blatantfowl on May 22, 2015 7:28:25 GMT
If level with the fans and be truthful, no one will moan about results next year. Realistic expectations are needed for sure but it's sadly not realistic to think this will happen. |
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Post by harr on May 22, 2015 10:51:32 GMT
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I'm still not convinced Ramsey was the best man even though the players love him whoopee do, most of them are going anyway and its not always great to a Manager thats one of the gang.
The way I see it is .
When Harry wasnt performing Les and Tony decided who they might want.
Les decided his two buddies Tim and Chris were the best two options .
They were the only two people we interviewed and we took Chris on.
Chris failed to keep us up, yet four other Managers where taken on at other clubs around us and they all kept them up ok.
Then Chris was given the job full time without any more interviews because he won 3 games in 14 and one home win.
Clement, McClaren , Allardyce , Adkins not even considered to my knowledge?
Still Tony and Les think hes the man, proofs in the pudding.
Already failed keeping us up , how will he do in the Championship is another story.
Guess time will tell.
Not happy we didnt consider other options and just because Les thinks Ramseys the man doesnt mean that all QPR fans will see it this way.
He's a nice guy CR, comes across pretty good at press interviews and the players seem to be performing better under him so all good signs .
However that doesn't make him an instant manager and the next 12 months will show us if TF screwed up again listening just to Les or it was a masterstroke.
If we retain some good players and add a couple of decent signings, I would expect us to finish in the top ten of the Championship next year.
Obviously with FFP, this might not be the case , so we can judge better in August where our expections for 15-16 are?
Really hope that Ramsey can have great success at QPR but long way to go.
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Post by RoryTheRanger on May 22, 2015 10:56:58 GMT
. I'm still not convinced Ramsey was the best man even though the players love him whoopee do, most of them are going anyway and its not always great to a Manager thats one of the gang. The way I see it is . When Harry wasnt performing Les and Tony decided who they might want. Les decided his two buddies Tim and Chris were the best two options . They were the only two people we interviewed and we took Chris on. Chris failed to keep us up, yet four other Managers where taken on at other clubs around us and they all kept them up ok. Then Chris was given the job full time without any more interviews because he won 3 games in 14 and one home win. Clement, McClaren , Allardyce , Adkins not even considered to my knowledge? Still Tony and Les think hes the man, proofs in the pudding. Already failed keeping us up , how will he do in the Championship is another story. Guess time will tell. Not happy we didnt consider other options and just because Les thinks Ramseys the man doesnt mean that all QPR fans will see it this way. He's a nice guy CR, comes across pretty good at press interviews and the players seem to be performing better under him so all good signs . However that doesn't make him an instant manager and the next 12 months will show us if TF screwed up again listening just to Les or it was a masterstroke. If we retain some good players and add a couple of decent signings, I would expect us to finish in the top ten of the Championship next year. Obviously with FFP, this might not be the case , so we can judge better in August where our expections for 15-16 are? Really hope that Ramsey can have great success at QPR but long way to go. I'm fairly certain we did interview Clement but he said he wasn't willing to leave Madrid half way through the season. McClaren turned down Newcastle as well for that exact reason. Adkins I didn't even view as a genuine contender, not for me. I would rather have a 10 year old manage QPR than Sam Allardyce, I know too many West Ham fans to ever want him near us. He is on par with Redknapp for old boys club signings and you can forget having youth anywhere near the team for several more years. The guy is a nightmare. You could guarantee the first signing would be Kevin Nolan... |
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Post by harr on May 22, 2015 11:11:14 GMT
. I'm still not convinced Ramsey was the best man even though the players love him whoopee do, most of them are going anyway and its not always great to a Manager thats one of the gang. The way I see it is . When Harry wasnt performing Les and Tony decided who they might want. Les decided his two buddies Tim and Chris were the best two options . They were the only two people we interviewed and we took Chris on. Chris failed to keep us up, yet four other Managers where taken on at other clubs around us and they all kept them up ok. Then Chris was given the job full time without any more interviews because he won 3 games in 14 and one home win. Clement, McClaren , Allardyce , Adkins not even considered to my knowledge? Still Tony and Les think hes the man, proofs in the pudding. Already failed keeping us up , how will he do in the Championship is another story. Guess time will tell. Not happy we didnt consider other options and just because Les thinks Ramseys the man doesnt mean that all QPR fans will see it this way. He's a nice guy CR, comes across pretty good at press interviews and the players seem to be performing better under him so all good signs . However that doesn't make him an instant manager and the next 12 months will show us if TF screwed up again listening just to Les or it was a masterstroke. If we retain some good players and add a couple of decent signings, I would expect us to finish in the top ten of the Championship next year. Obviously with FFP, this might not be the case , so we can judge better in August where our expections for 15-16 are? Really hope that Ramsey can have great success at QPR but long way to go. I'm fairly certain we did interview Clement but he said he wasn't willing to leave Madrid half way through the season. McClaren turned down Newcastle as well for that exact reason. Adkins I didn't even view as a genuine contender, not for me. I would rather have a 10 year old manage QPR than Sam Allardyce, I know too many West Ham fans to ever want him near us. He is on par with Redknapp for old boys club signings and you can forget having youth anywhere near the team for several more years. The guy is a nightmare. You could guarantee the first signing would be Kevin Nolan... I'm not sure if we interviewed Clement, I did hear a comment from about the time we were looking saying he was staying Real M until the end if the year, nothing more. So I take that as he may have been available from this week if we waited. Yeah Sam would bring that donkey Nolan no question but it was another option if he leaves Monday. McClaren did well at his short spell with us and does have good Championship experience unlike Ramsey, as does Adkins as did Warburton but we chose to my knowledge to interview none of these for the position now and only Sherwood for the position in Feb. Really is that correct way to go about it? As far as Im concerned we just gave the job to Chris for small bright glimpses that had shone in the 14 games that was given to him. Of which we gained only one home win. Personally, my opinion only would have thought a few more candidates might be checked out, thats all. Just in case, we were making a bit of a mistake. |
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Post by RoryTheRanger on May 22, 2015 11:28:30 GMT
I'm fairly certain we did interview Clement but he said he wasn't willing to leave Madrid half way through the season. McClaren turned down Newcastle as well for that exact reason. Adkins I didn't even view as a genuine contender, not for me. I would rather have a 10 year old manage QPR than Sam Allardyce, I know too many West Ham fans to ever want him near us. He is on par with Redknapp for old boys club signings and you can forget having youth anywhere near the team for several more years. The guy is a nightmare. You could guarantee the first signing would be Kevin Nolan... I'm not sure if we interviewed Clement, I did hear a comment from about the time we were looking saying he was staying Real M until the end if the year, nothing more. So I take that as he may have been available from this week if we waited. Yeah Sam would bring that donkey Nolan no question but it was another option if he leaves Monday. McClaren did well at his short spell with us and does have good Championship experience unlike Ramsey, as does Adkins as did Warburton but we chose to my knowledge to interview none of these for the position now and only Sherwood for the position in Feb. Really is that correct way to go about it? As far as Im concerned we just gave the job to Chris for small bright glimpses that had shone in the 14 games that was given to him. Of which we gained only one home win. Personally, my opinion only would have thought a few more candidates might be checked out, thats all. Just in case, we were making a bit of a mistake. Allardyce would put the club another step backwards, he is the most Redknapp like manager out there without actually being Redknapp. As for Clement, it was reported everywhere that he was on our shortlist so I'm sure we contacted him back then. I fail to see how now he has anything over Ramsey. As for McClaren I think his spell at Derby has proved what has always been said about him, he's better as a number 2 rather than a manager. |
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Post by timewaster on May 22, 2015 12:09:47 GMT
I'm just watching you've been framed and I thought about my chums on QPR report  I always thought that YBF stood for You Be Fat  |
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Post by nomar on May 22, 2015 15:38:05 GMT
I'm just watching you've been framed and I thought about my chums on QPR report I always thought that YBF stood for You Be Fat No need. |
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Post by timewaster on May 22, 2015 23:03:09 GMT
I always thought that YBF stood for You Be Fat No need. boring fart |
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Post by maude on May 22, 2015 23:45:06 GMT
Hello Andy. You still causing shenanigans whilst working |
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Post by timewaster on May 23, 2015 0:05:40 GMT
Hi Maude, great to see you back |
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Post by FloridaR on May 23, 2015 13:27:57 GMT
. I'm still not convinced Ramsey was the best man even though the players love him whoopee do, most of them are going anyway and its not always great to a Manager thats one of the gang. The way I see it is . When Harry wasnt performing Les and Tony decided who they might want. Les decided his two buddies Tim and Chris were the best two options . They were the only two people we interviewed and we took Chris on. Chris failed to keep us up, yet four other Managers where taken on at other clubs around us and they all kept them up ok. Then Chris was given the job full time without any more interviews because he won 3 games in 14 and one home win. Clement, McClaren , Allardyce , Adkins not even considered to my knowledge? Still Tony and Les think hes the man, proofs in the pudding. Already failed keeping us up , how will he do in the Championship is another story. Guess time will tell. Not happy we didnt consider other options and just because Les thinks Ramseys the man doesnt mean that all QPR fans will see it this way. He's a nice guy CR, comes across pretty good at press interviews and the players seem to be performing better under him so all good signs . However that doesn't make him an instant manager and the next 12 months will show us if TF screwed up again listening just to Les or it was a masterstroke If we retain some good players and add a couple of decent signings, I would expect us to finish in the top ten of the Championship next year. Obviously with FFP, this might not be the case , so we can judge better in August where our expections for 15-16 are? Really hope that Ramsey can have great success at QPR but long way to go. but he said he wasn't willing to leave Madrid half way through the season. McClaren turned down Newcastle as well for that exact reason. Adkins I didn't even view as a genuine contender, not for me. I would rather have a 10 year old manage QPR than Sam Allardyce, I know too many West Ham fans to ever want him near us. He is on par with Redknapp for old boys club signings and you can forget having youth anywhere near the team for several more years. The guy is a nightmare. You could guarantee the first signing would be Kevin Nolan...    |
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Post by FloridaR on May 23, 2015 13:37:06 GMT
I'm not sure if we interviewed Clement, I did hear a comment from about the time we were looking saying he was staying Real M until the end if the year, nothing more. So I take that as he may have been available from this week if we waited. Yeah Sam would bring that donkey Nolan no question but it was another option if he leaves Monday. McClaren did well at his short spell with us and does have good Championship experience unlike Ramsey, as does Adkins as did Warburton but we chose to my knowledge to interview none of these for the position now and only Sherwood for the position in Feb. Really is that correct way to go about it? As far as Im concerned we just gave the job to Chris for small bright glimpses that had shone in the 14 games that was given to him. Of which we gained only one home win. Personally, my opinion only would have thought a few more candidates might be checked out, thats all. Just in case, we were making a bit of a mistake. Allardyce would put the club another step backwards, he is the most Redknapp like manager out there without actually being Redknapp. As for Clement, it was reported everywhere that he was on our shortlist so I'm sure we contacted him back then. I fail to see how now he has anything over Ramsey. As for McClaren I think his spell at Derby has proved what has always been said about him, he's better as a number 2 rather than a manager.Interesting as a lot of QPR fans are saying that about Ramsey. Rumour has it that McClarens available which would make CR's appointment a hasty one on Fernandes part. |
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Post by Macmoish on May 23, 2015 14:24:24 GMT
Im not sure it was hasty.
Fernandes has set up a system:
Les Ferdinand...
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But once he has this all -influential/all powerful Director of FOotball, then certain managers may not fit.
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