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Post by harr on May 9, 2015 9:57:27 GMT
Barton ......On the whole, the dressing room has turned up and given everything. One or two bad eggs have spoiled it. If it had been done my way, they would have been out of the building straight away.
Taarabt ?? Mutch ??
A season barely passes without us getting bad eggs at QPR
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Post by Macmoish on May 9, 2015 10:09:12 GMT
Adel is definitely "Sui Generis!"
but has to be more than that...
But I don't believe "bad eggs" has really been our problem
I'd like to see Joey Barton "take on" his Chairman - but he obviously won't do that
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Post by Lonegunmen on May 9, 2015 21:59:34 GMT
Bad eggs or just non performers? King of the pile has to be SWP although Ferdinand and Caulker could come into contention.
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Post by harr on May 9, 2015 22:59:11 GMT
Well Barton said there has been bad eggs in background all season. He wouldnt name them, just say he would have got rid of them earlier.
I guess we will never know but it come into the spotlight when they move on ?
Adel for sure will be one.
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Post by Macmoish on May 10, 2015 6:43:49 GMT
How much disruption or problems have Barton's tweets causes for the club?
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Post by harr on May 10, 2015 9:30:58 GMT
I have no real problem with Bartons revelation. If its true then no harm with people knowing.
He had a really good season, would have been a perfect season had he not slapped Huddlestone in the privates.
If a couple more put in his effort maybe we would have done little better.
Hopefully the clearout in June wil get rid of these eggs.
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Post by hitmanrangers on May 10, 2015 9:33:03 GMT
Taarabt definitely one of the bad eggs. I expect Isla and Vargas too for the period they weren't in the side - was always odd why Ramsey didn't fancy him initially but seemed to improve his attitude only to get injured. Isla's half time warm up v West Ham with Taarabt was a joke, so unprofessional. They both know they will be back to their parent clubs at end of season - they've just not cut it consistently if I am honest. Vargas had promise early in season under Redknapp but seems to be one of those professionals who looks fantastic for their country, but not the same for club (e.g. - Podolski, Klose, etc..)
I don't like loan signings but I expect we will need many in the Championship just hope it is the right sort.
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Post by harr on May 10, 2015 9:39:16 GMT
Taarabt definitely one of the bad eggs. I expect Isla and Vargas too for the period they weren't in the side - was always odd why Ramsey didn't fancy him initially but seemed to improve his attitude only to get injured. Isla's half time warm up v West Ham with Taarabt was a joke, so unprofessional. They both know they will be back to their parent clubs at end of season - they've just not cut it consistently if I am honest. Vargas had promise early in season under Redknapp but seems to be one of those professionals who looks fantastic for their country, but not the same for club (e.g. - Podolski, Klose, etc..) I don't like loan signings but I expect we will need many in the Championship just hope it is the right sort. What like Doyle, Maiga And Will Keane
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Post by paulmason on May 10, 2015 11:06:36 GMT
The owners, players and fans got what they derserved this year.
I just hope the Ferdinand/Ramsey partnership, which IMO is the worst thing Fernandes has done since he has been at the club, is not continued next season. They should be kept at the club in some capacity, just not in their current roles.
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Post by blueeyedcptcook on May 10, 2015 11:27:20 GMT
The owners, players and fans got what they derserved this year. I just hope the Ferdinand/Ramsey partnership, which IMO is the worst thing Fernandes has done since he has been at the club, is not continued next season. They should be kept at the club in some capacity, just not in their current roles. Paul, as a observer from afar, I agree with all the accolades, for Ferdinand, as one of the clubs greatest players. But I,m not sure if his background, warrants his promotion,to the position, that he now holds in the club. I maybe wrong.!
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Post by terryb on May 10, 2015 11:34:31 GMT
Barton ......On the whole, the dressing room has turned up and given everything. One or two bad eggs have spoiled it. If it had been done my way, they would have been out of the building straight away. Taarabt ?? Mutch ?? A season barely passes without us getting bad eggs at QPR Perhaps it was Harold & Joseph?
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Post by Macmoish on May 10, 2015 11:48:21 GMT
Unless there's a major change at the top, I don't see how it won't be Les Ferdinand remaining...and a coach under him
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Post by harr on May 10, 2015 12:04:34 GMT
Barton ......On the whole, the dressing room has turned up and given everything. One or two bad eggs have spoiled it. If it had been done my way, they would have been out of the building straight away. Taarabt ?? Mutch ?? A season barely passes without us getting bad eggs at QPR Perhaps it was Harold & Joseph? I guess it could have been a coach ? Just assumed he meant teammates
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Post by simonr on May 11, 2015 21:50:43 GMT
Those 'Bad eggs' named by the Daily Mirror, but it looks like guesswork to me.
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Post by RoryTheRanger on May 11, 2015 22:58:02 GMT
Those 'Bad eggs' named by the Daily Mirror, but it looks like guesswork to me. Several local journo's also said they've heard Isla and Vargas have been troublesome. Interesting that Vargas is supposedly out for months yet is in Chile's Copa America squad......
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Post by paulmason on May 11, 2015 23:48:36 GMT
Those 'Bad eggs' named by the Daily Mirror, but it looks like guesswork to me. Several local journo's also said they've heard Isla and Vargas have been troublesome. Interesting that Vargas is supposedly out for months yet is in Chile's Copa America squad...... Every time he is injured or unfit for us, he plays for Chile. It's utter bollocks and could not make it up.
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Post by nomar on May 12, 2015 5:55:31 GMT
Isla, Vargas and Zarate will be gone back to their parent clubs this summer so we don't need to worry about them next season.
Its just Taarabt and Traore that we have to try and shift. I don't see any takers out there but maybe if we offer them as a pair, kind of on a buy one get one free basis...........?
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Post by harr on May 12, 2015 6:22:24 GMT
Five bad eggs , thought it might at least be half a dozen Get rid Traore and Taarabt, we dont need that crap in the Championship. Basically players that couldnt get into the team apart from Tarbs who is just lazy.
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Post by steveb66 on May 12, 2015 6:28:35 GMT
None of the names in the Mirror article surprise me. I thought Caulker might be included as I heard rumours he was on the verge of leaving in January?
Guesswork or not I would contend its spot on.
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Post by nomar on May 12, 2015 6:52:47 GMT
Five bad eggs , thought it might at least be half a dozen Get rid Traore and Taarabt, we dont need that crap in the Championship. Basically players that couldnt get into the team apart from Tarbs who is just lazy. Problem is, who will take them? Palace wanted Traore on loan and he refused to go there. (Silly really because if had he would have a chance to still be a Premier league player). Taarabt hasn't played for a season and refuses to give up his £55k a week salary as he won't get that from anywhere else. We may have to just pay them both off and let them walk off into the sunset together hand in hand.
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Post by marshbowles10 on May 12, 2015 6:56:35 GMT
What a crazy situation football faces, its not just us, but we are probably the worst.
In any other industry (I'm retried now and saw HR from afar but I remember there was some procedure) you'd pull an employee (cos that's what they are) aside and issue them with a verbal warning about their performance. This would be followed with a written warning, if that didn't work and then if their performances didn't improve then you could start the procedure to get them off your books. Seems like the salary bubble that footballers live also applies to the employers ability to get rid if their performance is unacceptable or is causing a rift with other employees. They are effectively untouchable.
How we can have players that do not play and yet still earn £2.5 million a year is beyond a joke and yet we have done it time and time and time again. A lesson I fear was never learned from the first Beard signing, a man who I hold responsible for many of the day to day disasters that this club experienced. Ultimately the buck stopped with TF and he should had someone on the board with football commercial experience as it was obvious then and became more obvious as each end of season meant that no one was ever transferred because
1 They weren't very good
2 They were on contracts that no one could ever match.
So we had the situation of SWP warming a bench or not even doing that for 4 seasons because of a ridiculous contract that protected the player but never the Club, his employer.
IF Barton knew there were 'bad eggs' at QPR then everyone else knew from the management down but there was no mechanism ,until contracts were finished to get rid of them and that is the nub of the problem.
Burnley have gone down too and they don't seem to have had bad eggs or manager issues and although they went down 'with style and aggression' at the end of the day that won't be remembered. What will be remembered as it will handicap us for years, is that we went down having spent a kings ransom on players transfers such as Sandro who now appears not to have the correct papers to play here and salaries that wouldn't look out of place in the teams of the Champions League.
Sorry went a bit off topic there!
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Post by nomar on May 12, 2015 7:50:22 GMT
What a crazy situation football faces, its not just us, but we are probably the worst. In any other industry (I'm retried now and saw HR from afar but I remember there was some procedure) you'd pull an employee (cos that's what they are) aside and issue them with a verbal warning about their performance. This would be followed with a written warning, if that didn't work and then if their performances didn't improve then you could start the procedure to get them off your books. Seems like the salary bubble that footballers live also applies to the employers ability to get rid if their performance is unacceptable or is causing a rift with other employees. They are effectively untouchable. How we can have players that do not play and yet still earn £2.5 million a year is beyond a joke and yet we have done it time and time and time again. A lesson I fear was never learned from the first Beard signing, a man who I hold responsible for many of the day to day disasters that this club experienced. Ultimately the buck stopped with TF and he should had someone on the board with football commercial experience as it was obvious then and became more obvious as each end of season meant that no one was ever transferred because 1 They weren't very good 2 They were on contracts that no one could ever match. So we had the situation of SWP warming a bench or not even doing that for 4 seasons because of a ridiculous contract that protected the player but never the Club, his employer. IF Barton knew there were 'bad eggs' at QPR then everyone else knew from the management down but there was no mechanism ,until contracts were finished to get rid of them and that is the nub of the problem. Burnley have gone down too and they don't seem to have had bad eggs or manager issues and although they went down 'with style and aggression' at the end of the day that won't be remembered. What will be remembered as it will handicap us for years, is that we went down having spent a kings ransom on players transfers such as Sandro who now appears not to have the correct papers to play here and salaries that wouldn't look out of place in the teams of the Champions League. Sorry went a bit off topic there! Fantastic post, mate. Agree with every word.
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Post by spanishal on May 12, 2015 8:10:21 GMT
Barton ......On the whole, the dressing room has turned up and given everything. One or two bad eggs have spoiled it. If it had been done my way, they would have been out of the building straight away. Taarabt ?? Mutch ?? A season barely passes without us getting bad eggs at QPR According to the mirror, Tarrabt, Traore, Zarate, Vargas and Isla. No surprise there then.
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Post by Marc on May 12, 2015 8:25:21 GMT
Wasn't Traore one of Warnock's signings when TF took over? Thought his contract would have been up this y8ear like Barton & SWP.
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Post by Markqpr on May 12, 2015 8:31:26 GMT
Wasn't Traore one of Warnock's signings when TF took over? Thought his contract would have been up this y8ear like Barton & SWP. We gave him a two year contract last summer.
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Post by Marc on May 12, 2015 8:37:04 GMT
Wasn't Traore one of Warnock's signings when TF took over? Thought his contract would have been up this y8ear like Barton & SWP. We gave him a two year contract last summer.
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Post by wrenboy61 on May 12, 2015 9:38:11 GMT
Surprised if true about Vargas and Isla as always seemed to put it in on the pitch. Isla made some mistakes this season but effort I never questioned.
Others not surprised at all.
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Post by paulmason on May 12, 2015 10:52:47 GMT
Wasn't Traore one of Warnock's signings when TF took over? Thought his contract would have been up this y8ear like Barton & SWP. Quick question, seeing as you made such a big issue of it on Saturday, do you stil think Isla was not playing because he was injured?
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Post by FloridaR on May 12, 2015 11:06:36 GMT
Blows my mind that people get side tracked with trying to find out 1 / 2 people responsible for the squads failures this season
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Post by harr on May 12, 2015 11:23:00 GMT
Wasn't Traore one of Warnock's signings when TF took over? Thought his contract would have been up this y8ear like Barton & SWP. We gave him a two year contract last summer. Ha ha ha .... it gets better . Your favourite player got another two year deal Mark
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