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Post by marshbowles10 on Mar 15, 2015 9:17:41 GMT
The trip to Dubai, the great bonding session guaranteed to give the players a welcome break and come back refreshed and ready to take on the challenges of the final run in.
3 games. 0 points. Well that was a waste of money then.
18 hours after albeit watching on TV I remain confused as to why professional players on a global stage appear to be disinterested in the team, the supporters and perhaps more telling 'themselves'. With the odd exception they don't appear to give a toss.
Even the co-commentator Micheal Owen, not one known for saying anything mildly critical was using words like 'appalling'.
The BT team that had questioned Ian Wright about SWP before the game and he was looking forward to it, never questioned about his son afterwards. It would have been interesting for McManaman, normally the joker in the pack to have asked 'Well Ian, what did you think of Sean's performance today?'
The manager in his post match interview gave the players praise for their second half performance. I got to thinking that perhaps Chris has been to the Harry school of interviews.
I'd like a manager to tell it as it is, pointless hiding the truth, we'd all seen it. I'd like him to have said we put in a totally unacceptable performance. The players day off has been cancelledβ¦.andβ¦.and what?
What can you do or say to a bunch of millionaires on ridiculous contracts that make even bankers look paupers to motivate them?
You can't fine them so what can you do if on a world stage they look like a bunch of Sunday afternoon players who meet each other once a week after a few beers?
Surely they have pride in themselves? But as they pick up another bank roll of money, the equivalent to what I earn in 18 months every weekβ¦.why should they bother?
There is no passion, no commitment, noβ¦β¦.let's roll our sleeves up and compete and get us out of the mess we have put ourselves in.
Why?
Answers please.
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Post by Macmoish on Mar 15, 2015 9:27:38 GMT
I guess that's one of the things that makes an effective manager - somehow accomplishing that...
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Post by kenthoop on Mar 15, 2015 9:37:59 GMT
Saw it the same way ,we might as well have forfeited the match ,given Palace the points ,because that in effect what we did ,absolutely shambolic display ,I don't mind losing but I like to see some fight but there was nothing about this performance to encourage me ,what has happened to the qualities that the players first displayed after CR took over ,is it the fact that because it was a new manager they were keen to impress and now they have gone back to the same old crap that wssnserved up by the previous manager , I can't answer that one only the manager ,coaching staff ,and the players can ,after that display they should not get paid and be done under the trades description act for masquerading as professional footballers
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Post by Macmoish on Mar 15, 2015 9:51:21 GMT
Put various CP Players in the QPR Team and they would probably play like QPR.
Put various QPR Players in the Palace Team (ok not SWP!) and they'd probably play like Palace
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Post by nomar on Mar 15, 2015 10:08:13 GMT
When your Chairman is only in it for the money then you're going to get a team that are only in it for the money too.
Hard to motivate people when the message you've already "told" them is that this club is about money and big name signings and not about hard work and playing for pride.
The sad and painful fact is that TF is riding QPR because he wants his hands on Old Oak and all the billions he can see it making him. Once you come from that starting point its hard to change club philosophy mid stream and suddenly turn into an owner whose a passionate fan and only wants to make the best decisions for the club.
The culture of not caring and refusing to put a shift in has been here for years now. This is what it gets you in return.
If we go down this time, sorry, when we go down this time, we may have a proper chance to blow this team up and try again to undo the damage these last few years have inflicted on us.
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Post by nadera78 on Mar 15, 2015 10:46:15 GMT
It is absolutely about the culture within the organisation - and ultimately that comes from the top and feeds into everything else.
Does the club value hardwork or does it seek short cuts? Does the club public ally promote teamwork or the individual? Does the club address failure or shrug its collective shoulders and move on? Does the club give a firm commitment to something and then forget that when it no longer suits?
The answers to those, and other, questions give us all a very big clue as to the culture within QPR. And that culture does not support or enhance the concept of pride in the club, the team, the fans, or even their own performances. There are very low standards being set within QPR so it should be no surprise that we see that play out on the pitch.
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Post by stylecouncillor on Mar 15, 2015 11:30:41 GMT
When your Chairman is only in it for the money then you're going to get a team that are only in it for the money too. Hard to motivate people when the message you've already "told" them is that this club is about money and big name signings and not about hard work and playing for pride. The sad and painful fact is that TF is riding QPR because he wants his hands on Old Oak and all the billions he can see it making him. Once you come from that starting point its hard to change club philosophy mid stream and suddenly turn into an owner whose a passionate fan and only wants to make the best decisions for the club. The culture of not caring and refusing to put a shift in has been here for years now. This is what it gets you in return. If we go down this time, sorry, when we go down this time, we may have a proper chance to blow this team up and try again to undo the damage these last few years have inflicted on us. Blame the chairman??? all he has done is sink a small fortune into the club backing managers he gets moaned at for spending then moaned at for not spending now he is only in it for old oak. He appointed Ramsey after the win against Sunderland who quite frankly (as yesterdays thrashing shows) are probably a worse side than we are. Still your not satisfied Ramsey plays the Youngsters so many screamed for still its not good enough. TF Stopped the mad spending got rid of Redknapp appointed Ramsey As Half this Messageboard cried out for at least you could have the decency to Not blame him for doing as so many of you asked.
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Post by harr on Mar 15, 2015 12:39:45 GMT
Some coaches get a response after a Manager goes. Pulis did like for WBA he did last year when he saved Palace. Pardew Did at Palace this year . Sherwood is now at 4 wins from six if you count cup wins against WBA and Leicester. Ramsey is at one win from six.
Not exactly the reaponse you expected from a New Manager but some signs have been good , others havnt . This line about a player trained well , so what . Is that why SWP played yesterday ?
All in all Redknapp and Ramsey neither of them will keep us up, blame who you like. Fernandes , Redknapp, Ramsey , preseason, fitness, coaching, the players desire, still too many big egos in the dressing room, not replacing Remy, not freshening things up in January.
Whats that now, one win in fourteen away games , pathetic. Have only taken 1 point off any team in the top Seven in 11 matches, dreadful.
Whatever way Tony tweets and however he bigs it up, the season has been a shambles, full stop.
I fully expect a crap Everton to win at Loftus rd Sunday and wouldnt be surprised if we dont pick up a further away point up until last game of the season at Leicester.
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Post by Macmoish on Mar 15, 2015 12:44:28 GMT
I can only say back in May after the playoffs, I didn't think we'd go down again this season
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2015 13:28:58 GMT
This lot don't care , end of , desperate team selections , playing youngsters just for the sake of it , mult million pound players sitting on the bench , can't understand why a player like Vargas isn't playing surely he could offer something playing in his favoured role as he does for Chile . Why is SWP anywhere near the squad let alone starting . We're down and we won't be coming back anytime soon , wasted opportunity this season to consolidate ourselves . Should've got Sherwood or Pullis when they were available and should've sacked Redknapp 5 months ago .
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Post by auntyjack on Mar 15, 2015 13:40:46 GMT
This is how i reckon it's played out. TF realized that once Arry left we could not stay up because things were too much of a mess. He then appoints CR and his task is to audition players for next season. Hence we see some younger faces in the team. Of course the collateral damage in all of this is non use of loan players i.e. Vargas.
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Post by sharky on Mar 15, 2015 14:09:30 GMT
I can only say back in May after the playoffs, I didn't think we'd go down again this season You might not have Mac but all the talk from the club was that our goal was just Prem survival. How soon some of us forget!
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Post by corndog on Mar 15, 2015 16:05:20 GMT
This is how i reckon it's played out. TF realized that once Arry left we could not stay up because things were too much of a mess. He then appoints CR and his task is to audition players for next season. Hence we see some younger faces in the team. Of course the collateral damage in all of this is non use of loan players i.e. Vargas. That would be the one thing that actually makes sense. Judging from interviews he didn't seem as desperate to stay up as in previous seasons. Some of that is good, because the club didn't spend a fortune in the transfer window and they won't be stuck with nearly as many big contracts as last time, but at the same time it's sad that the great day at Wembley was all for nothing.
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Post by nomar on Mar 15, 2015 19:41:37 GMT
When your Chairman is only in it for the money then you're going to get a team that are only in it for the money too. Hard to motivate people when the message you've already "told" them is that this club is about money and big name signings and not about hard work and playing for pride. The sad and painful fact is that TF is riding QPR because he wants his hands on Old Oak and all the billions he can see it making him. Once you come from that starting point its hard to change club philosophy mid stream and suddenly turn into an owner whose a passionate fan and only wants to make the best decisions for the club. The culture of not caring and refusing to put a shift in has been here for years now. This is what it gets you in return. If we go down this time, sorry, when we go down this time, we may have a proper chance to blow this team up and try again to undo the damage these last few years have inflicted on us. Blame the chairman??? all he has done is sink a small fortune into the club backing managers he gets moaned at for spending then moaned at for not spending now he is only in it for old oak. He appointed Ramsey after the win against Sunderland who quite frankly (as yesterdays thrashing shows) are probably a worse side than we are. Still your not satisfied Ramsey plays the Youngsters so many screamed for still its not good enough. TF Stopped the mad spending got rid of Redknapp appointed Ramsey As Half this Messageboard cried out for at least you could have the decency to Not blame him for doing as so many of you asked. TF is part of the problem, yes.
I was happy they got Ramsey in because it shows a shift away from the big name culture that the club has manifested for too long, to its detriment. A culture encouraged by TF.
I haven't said a single thing about his team selections either. My gripe is with the attitude, effort and commitment levels of the majority of the players we have. Any honest hearted QPR fan who watched Burnley give every last drop of sweat to beat Man City last night was depressed when they compared Burnley's approach to ours.
I watched George Boyd last night in complete admiration for the way he covered every blade of grass in trying to stop City players scoring and then trying to change defence into attack. I watched the 'highlights' of our stinkfest on Match of The Day and spent most of it shaking my head in utter disgust.
I also wondered who at QPR we have who'd give a heart and soul performance like that.
The fact is that TF really doesn't have a clue.
He had no realistic vision of what he wanted QPR to be because he's here for Old Oak and the millions he wanted to make out of it. I have no problem with him wanting to make money or using QPR as a vehicle for that, but his decisions have been driven by agendas and not what was in the best interests of QPR.
His decisions are more swayed by comments he reads on his beloved twitter rather than him sitting down with 'QPR people' and discussing what really worked best in the past for a club of our size and how that translates to the future.
Applaud him for sure for seemingly now pushing QPR in the direction we should have been going in a long time ago, but if he'd have had the right motives from the start he would have been making those kind of decisions from day one anyway.
The culture of any club starts at the very top. That's a fact of life in any organisation you work for. What you see on the pitch on a Saturday afternoon is a direct result of that.
You used an interesting phrase in your comments, that he's "sunk a small fortune" into the club. Unfortunately that's been one of the biggest parts of the problem. Its been more about money than about character, hard work and standards.
As much as it pains me to say it, Burnley deserve to stay up far more than we do. Unless I see players putting in shifts like Boyd did yesterday we certainly won't be staying up.
I'm beginning to believe that, maybe, that's really no bad thing after all.
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