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Post by harr on Jan 22, 2015 21:28:16 GMT
Surely we don't want to be selling players to other teams in the bottom eight, makes no sense at all, whoever we are selling.
CRYSTAL Palace bidding for Mutch around 4 Million etc, don't sell him to them and why are we selling a Player that the Club only bought five months, probably for less than we paid for him?
Also WBA and Pulis after Phillips, again why sell a Player to them. Even if it's one I don't rate or maybe Harry realises he don't rate either, don't sell to them .
If we sell Mutch and Phillips to these two Clubs and make a loss we aren't learning much . Hows about our Coaches getting more out of them .
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Post by Hogan on Jan 22, 2015 21:51:00 GMT
Agreed Harlow, don't sell to rivals, make them work with the coaches to improve them. Especially selling for a loss is just not on selling to any club, the prices are always inflated in January window, its a sellers market when desperate clubs come calling.
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Post by Macmoish on Jan 22, 2015 23:22:56 GMT
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Post by harr on Jan 23, 2015 7:51:52 GMT
To buy a 22 yr old for 6 Million and 5 months consider selling him to a rival is nonsense. I think he has been injured for about 10 of the 22 games .. So in 12 games we have decided he's not good enough farcical. Sorry our four coaches aren't doing enough. I suppose we think we'll Sandro is back fit so that's ok to sell Mutch, how long before he breaks down again though .. Undoubtedly the cash will be to buy Lennon , Sinclair or Morison .
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Post by Dufster on Jan 23, 2015 10:44:29 GMT
Let him go...only a Prem side will pay anything close to what we got him for. Thought he's looked very week and never really got going! Rather spend the money elsewhere! Nonsense to think we cant sell to a lower Prem club...good luck to him and Palace if it can work for them, rather have the cash!
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Post by paulmason on Jan 23, 2015 11:12:23 GMT
Anyone remember Jason Puncheon?
IMO, Jordan Mutch is a very good player who has not had a run in the team because of injury and form.
When he is fit and his chance comes along, play Mutch behind one or two strikers and he might just be ok. He scored 7 goals last season in a struggling team, so he is hardly a bad player.
I am quite sure that if Charlie Austin played left wing, there would be loads on here saying sell him as he's shiteee...... done nothing since he has been here...... blah, blah, blah.
Its the same for Matty Philips. The only place he has been poor is W12. Give him a run of games on the wing, instead of playing a box to box central midfielder and I think he would be ok as well.
For me it speaks volumes that Pullis and Pardew are interested in both of them.
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Post by harr on Jan 23, 2015 13:05:12 GMT
Puncheon has worked out well at Palace fair play to him .
Apparently Redknapp told Sky Pato was offered to us be not what we needed haha .
We need Osvaldo and a trialist like Blackman ffs .
If the spirit of the team is affected by bringing in a hothead and we have players sent off , I hold Harry responsible as he is accountable for the players he brings in . Would that be fair ? Likewise if Phillips / Mutch end up being sold and turn out into decent players in Prem teams like Puncheon at Palace etc, can we say our coaches never got the best out of them And didn't give them a fair chance . I'm not just talking Harry here re the players being coached properly but all four of them .
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Post by nomar on Jan 23, 2015 16:30:28 GMT
Not sure why people are up in arms about the possibility of selling Mutch? He's always injured!
Good news if you can get money for a guy who's always on the treatment table.
Phillips isn't being used so, again, if you can make some money out of it and you think you can get a better player in return then common sense says you sell him, no?
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Post by corndog on Jan 23, 2015 19:23:19 GMT
Not sure why people are up in arms about the possibility of selling Mutch? He's always injured! Good news if you can get money for a guy who's always on the treatment table. Phillips isn't being used so, again, if you can make some money out of it and you think you can get a better player in return then common sense says you sell him, no? Both of their values are low right now, so you shouldn't sell them. Send Phillips on loan to find his form again and keep Mutch around since we very well could need him. Phillips has a good run of form on loan, it will get his value up and either we sell him or see if he can be useful for this team. Players the team should sell, Traore, Hoilett and Adel.
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Post by harr on Jan 23, 2015 20:09:50 GMT
Phillips , yes sell him ideally not to one of our rivals , how much we gonna lose though.
Really can't believe we should Mutch yet, he's young surely should be giving him longer than four months. Ok saying his injured all the time but then Sandro has been out for as long, so is he for sale ?
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Post by steeleyranger on Jan 23, 2015 20:56:56 GMT
I don't think we should be selling Mutch or Phillips. I still believe they both have potential which has not been brought out by the coaching staff. Phillips has lost confidence but was highly rated before we signed him. Most supporters believed he was the type of player that we should be signing when he signed-he has been unlucky with injuries setting him back but I can't believe the coaches are unable to assist him to reach his true potential!From the times I have seen him play I can see the ability-the power,pace,skill-but not great on his final cross-like many British players!!( oh for a Dave Thomas) Others on this board may not agree with my assessment but others seem to agree that the coaching staff should be doing more. Which players have actually become better as a result of coaching received? How many have regressed ? Seems to me that more fall into the latter category !! Keep Mutch and Phillips and work with them,encourage them -coach them into better players-or as they were before we signed them !
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Post by harr on Jan 23, 2015 21:08:47 GMT
I don't think we should be selling Mutch or Phillips. I still believe they both have potential which has not been brought out by the coaching staff. Phillips has lost confidence but was highly rated before we signed him. Most supporters believed he was the type of player that we should be signing when he signed-he has been unlucky with injuries setting him back but I can't believe the coaches are unable to assist him to reach his true potential!From the times I have seen him play I can see the ability-the power,pace,skill-but not great on his final cross-like many British players!!( oh for a Dave Thomas) Others on this board may not agree with my assessment but others seem to agree that the coaching staff should be doing more. Which players have actually become better as a result of coaching received? How many have regressed ? Seems to me that more fall into the latter category !! Keep Mutch and Phillips and work with them,encourage them -coach them into better players-or as they were before we signed them ! Dave Thomas, what a player, one of my all tim favourites with Stan . I think Karl Henry has been transformed at QPR but so many others are not reaching full potential In this group I put Nedum hasn't developed into what I hoped. Phillips did well in Championship but hasn't done anything at this level. . Hoillett should be doing better . Caulker maybe too and Mutch . Whats going on with these Players, they don't go bad overnight . I would want to persevere with all of them apart from Phillips but I guess If TF says he has got to shift some before we buy, we have to get rid of ones where we have extra cover and Redknapp feels are not good enough. Taarabt will go ,Traore maybe but we lack cover there.
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Post by wrenboy61 on Jan 24, 2015 16:22:37 GMT
I may well be wrong here but get the impression players struggling with confidence and in need of improvement are dealt with by Hoddle other coaches just do everyday stuff such as tactics and game formations. They have other fitness coaches that just deal with players returning from injury who need to get up to scratch.
Agree with others who say we shouldn't be selling to other teams who are down there with us fighting for survival. Mutch may well have been injured or out of form since being with us but this is no excuse for forgetting what to do when your on the pitch. He looks totally lost when coming on as sub ok so he might be out of his usual position but he has been a massive disappointment to me.
Phillips as others have said looks like he has lost confidence and this is shown in his decision making when the ball comes to him. He just doesn't know whether to stick or bust and while he's making his mind up he either loses the ball or runs it off the pitch. Feel if he was to get his confidence back could be another Jamie Mackie for us not technically great but somebody who makes thing happen but at the moment a long way off Jamie Mackie. If we were to sell Phillips which at the moment I wouldn't do it could open up a space for Petrasso???
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Post by kenthoop on Jan 25, 2015 9:26:01 GMT
I can't believe some of the players being mentioned up for grabs ,does not make any sense to me to sell players to rivals who could also be in a relegation scrap , also the players being touted about are in my view no better than what we currently have , not only that some are players that their team wants shot of them , Aaron Lennon best days behind him , Dani Osvaldo fought with Freddie Guari n on the pitch ,also had problems with Icardi ,attacked players on subs bench ,banned from training ground only this week ,M,Vila another one with an attitude ,done want these players at loftus Rd I would say no ,that's just my thoughts on it anyway just paper talk again ,maybe ,but I think that we do sign any of these then I think quite frankly Arry has lost the plot
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Post by Macmoish on Jan 25, 2015 9:33:39 GMT
Our Club Chairman has spoken a lot about Stability and Lessons Learned...
Buying Youngish Players in July and August and selling them in January - seemingly at a loss...And then bringing in aging players in January....
I don't see Mr. Redknapp having had a "Lesson Learned" in many, many years.
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Post by harr on Jan 25, 2015 9:41:08 GMT
Our Club Chairman has spoken a lot about Stability and Lessons Learned... Buying Youngish Players in July and August and selling them in January - seemingly at a loss...And then bringing in aging players in January.... I don't see Mr. Redknapp having had a "Lesson Learned" in many, many years. If we sell Fer and Hoillett and bring in Aaron Lennon No lessons still being learnt .
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Post by kenthoop on Jan 25, 2015 15:01:04 GMT
I see Sandro not being mentioned ,one of Arrys favourites ?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2015 15:20:51 GMT
Matt Phillips can definitely go he will never make it here , Mutch can go for the right price too ,not fussed about Hoillett stay or go depending what we get , Taraabt can go , SWP ? Who'd take him ? Try and bring in a decent championship striker , Deeney , Rhodes someone in a bit of form , depending on how much money we can recoup on the above .
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Post by corndog on Jan 25, 2015 17:36:22 GMT
I can't believe Fer, I think he has done fairly well this season and is a regular starter. The rest are not big surprises, although I don't like the idea of selling Mutch just after buying him and when his value is low. Phillips is another player I rather send out on loan and hope he plays well. But Hoilett and the others can go, hopefully he can bring some good money in.
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Post by Lonegunmen on Jan 25, 2015 20:29:21 GMT
Can we off load Ferdinand too?
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Post by nomar on Jan 28, 2015 7:43:16 GMT
Been a dead market so far.
Any business left is mainly going to be done on Monday afternoon/evening, it would seem.
Clubs deliberately leave it to the last minute which suits the agents perfectly.
I'd be surprised if anything happens before the Stoke game.
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Post by marshbowles10 on Jan 28, 2015 8:05:32 GMT
It's all so depressing. Apart from Charlie and remember he was going to Hull until he failed a medical, when have we signed ANYONE that shows potential?
Given all the signings at this club over the past 2-3 seasons surely more than 1 should have made more of an impact?
The wages we are paying out for under-performing players must be astronomic. It still makes me cringe that we pay SWP £3 million a year.
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Post by Macmoish on Jan 28, 2015 8:13:55 GMT
The thing is we THOUGHT we'd gotten great buys in Hoilett, Phillips and then later Caulker, Mutch, Fer - Expensive, but Youngish players who had done well elsewhere. So either they werent quite as good as we thought. Or it's us...
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Post by harr on Jan 28, 2015 9:10:11 GMT
The thing is we THOUGHT we'd gotten great buys in Hoilett, Phillips and then later Caulker, Mutch, Fer - Expensive, but Youngish players who had done well elsewhere. So either they werent quite as good as we thought. Or it's us... (Or it's us...) I 'll take a hunch on this one ....
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Post by Dufster on Jan 29, 2015 11:05:46 GMT
IMO Fer and Caulker have proven to be of value to date and I don't think we have looked as strong in mid field since Sandro has been injured. Ferdinand and Mutch haven't had a good game between them all season!
We need to invest upfront and at the back.
Doesn't look like HR has been given a pot to spend.....needs must he's got to go and find it.
Let Hoilett, Adel, Mutch and Phillips go as long as we get the right offer and spend it where its most needed, because I don't think we'll get what we need just on loan contracts!
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Post by harr on Jan 29, 2015 12:49:29 GMT
Hoiletts got a good player in there somewhere , just getting someone to use it and find . Same for Mutch , they will be great players for other teams .
We have Barton, getting on a bit , then we have Henry played exceptional but getting on a bit. Then we have Mutch, young talent , been injured should give him a bit more time maybe ..... No let's keep the old uns get rid of our youngsters Ffs . We don't learn full stop ...... I bet the ages of the players we bring will be higher by far than the ones we sell on permanents . Is it any wonder some of our younger players get frustrated and want out .
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