NO1QPRNZ
Dave Sexton
"Remember sometimes you have to go backwards to go forwards"UuuRrrSsssss.
Posts: 1,786
|
Post by NO1QPRNZ on Dec 20, 2014 23:24:45 GMT
I think it will all come down to the Money we have to spend for the class of Players we need in certain positions.If its Ravel and he does a shift for us to keep us up so be it. Harry, Hoddle, Bond, and Jordan,know the Ropes.
|
|
paulmason
Neil Warnock
Enter your message here...
Posts: 711
|
Post by paulmason on Dec 21, 2014 7:29:29 GMT
I cant see why anyone would want that hand grenade anywhere near W12. He is the exact same brand of rotten apple Adel is, who like Adel was last season, has been kicked out of two clubs this season, due to his attitude.
We don't need those big headed, egotistical, me, me, me, players anywhere near the team, as their look at me attitude, moaning and bitching will spread like a Cancer.
|
|
|
Post by alfaranger on Dec 21, 2014 9:39:41 GMT
There was a piece in the guardian some time ago (and been mentioned here before I think) that said Allardyce and Noble had pressurised Ravel into signing up with a particular agent. According to the article this wasn't just a straight 'why don't you give it a go', but more of a daily pressure. Apparently Ravel lost it one time with them. This is merely a football report and has no bearing on any other activities he may have got up to before or since.
|
|
|
Post by harr on Dec 21, 2014 10:01:26 GMT
There was a piece in the guardian some time ago (and been mentioned here before I think) that said Allardyce and Noble had pressurised Ravel into signing up with a particular agent. According to the article this wasn't just a straight 'why don't you give it a go', but more of a daily pressure. Apparently Ravel lost it one time with them. This is merely a football report and has no bearing on any other activities he may have got up to before or since. He's probably trouble Alfa. Maybe best to avoid him if we can but we know we won't be spending much and Ravel would be a bargain price . If we can get rid of Adel , ie sell him that will free up a little cash but we owe Spurs about 40 % of what we get . Not sure what Adels worth now, not too much at this minute of time . Would rather get in Townsend on loan . If Phillips didn't play another game for us I wouldn't lose sleep . Not sure anyone will pay near to what we were mugged off for though .
|
|
|
Post by Ashdown_Ranger on Dec 21, 2014 15:44:41 GMT
No to Ravel. His impact when he first joined us last year certainly won us vital points, but he drifted off and didn't really contribute in the final run-in.
For me, cover for Suk-Young (Asian Cup duty, surely?), a bit of pace (Townsend?) and a striker (Defoe) - probably all loans by the sound of things?
|
|
|
Post by RoryTheRanger on Dec 21, 2014 19:58:38 GMT
Saying Sir Alex chuck him out doesn't really show anything, he chucked out Pogba too and he's now one of the best midfielders in the world at Juventus.
|
|
|
Post by wrenboy61 on Dec 21, 2014 22:09:52 GMT
Saying Sir Alex chuck him out doesn't really show anything, he chucked out Pogba too and he's now one of the best midfielders in the world at Juventus. Agreed Rory that Pogba playing well in Italy but over the years Fergie didn't get that many wrong. The odd one every now and then!!!
|
|
|
Post by Macmoish on Jan 15, 2015 12:55:40 GMT
|
|
|
Post by sharky on Jan 15, 2015 13:11:39 GMT
Will all those who criticised him and didn't want him because of this accusation now change their minds. I doubt it. Nowadays just an accusation seems to be good enough for some to condemn. Sad
|
|
|
Post by Macmoish on Jan 15, 2015 13:25:23 GMT
I didnt want him because of the charges (and his past)
And no I'm not sure I'd want him even now.
But at least I posted he was cleared
|
|
|
Post by Macmoish on Jan 28, 2017 10:23:50 GMT
|
|
|
Post by harr on Jan 28, 2017 10:31:31 GMT
He's a cheap replacement for Chery that can do the same or better job. Under these FFP constraints we have at the minute we need to be picking up relatively cheap signings. Morison is one. Lets not forget he is only 23. He probably knows Goss well and they might have a good football relationship.
It a YES I back them on this one from me.
|
|
|
Post by Marc on Jan 28, 2017 11:04:03 GMT
He's a cheap replacement for Chery that can do the same or better job. Under these FFP constraints we have at the minute we need to be picking up relatively cheap signings. Morison is one. Lets not forget he is only 23. He probably knows Goss well and they might have a good football relationship. It a YES I back them on this one from me. Agreed. It's certainly a strange one, especially given neither Les or Ollie were at the club when we had him on loan the last time but he didn't do much wrong when he was here (quite the opposite in fact) so, like you, I'll back their judgement if it should happen. All ifs at the moment, not seen anything other than rumour so it all may be moot. He's been linked with us during every window for the last 3 years so I'll not get excited either way yet.
|
|
|
Post by kenthoop on Jan 28, 2017 11:13:22 GMT
for me i would have him back in a heartbeat ,disappointed hé went to Italy when hé was available ,so much talent ,à game changer ,love to see him back in a hoops shirt again. a big yes ,but at the moment it is all ,ifs ,buts ,and maybe ,so will just have to wait and see ,
|
|
|
Post by nomar on Jan 28, 2017 16:29:28 GMT
Not a great fan and have never seen the fascination in him, but then I've never really paid much attention to him even when he was playing for us last time around.
He appears to be exactly the kind of player QPR fans love to watch at Loftus Road, though, so it may well be a shrewd move by IH and Sir Les to buy them some more time with QPR fans who will be pretty peed off at the way this season has gone after such a bright start.
If he returns I hope he delivers because if he does he will have QPR fans eating out of his hands and it's been a long time since we've had a midfield talent able to do that.
|
|
|
Post by sharky on Jan 28, 2017 16:59:01 GMT
Wouldn't touch him with a barge pole. That man is trouble with a capital T IMO
|
|
|
Post by terryb on Jan 28, 2017 20:08:56 GMT
He's a cheap replacement for Chery that can do the same or better job. Under these FFP constraints we have at the minute we need to be picking up relatively cheap signings. Morison is one. Lets not forget he is only 23. He probably knows Goss well and they might have a good football relationship. It a YES I back them on this one from me. "He probably knows Goss well and they might have a good football relationship." Can I ask why he would know Goss at all, never mind well? I would have thought that Morrison left United while Goss was still at Exeter. I'm fairly sure they would not have played in the same team. EDIT Goss joined United in 2012 so they might hase met, but the chances that Goss would have played higher than the Under 18's at that time weould be on the low side. Morrison was too old at that time for that age range. BTW -a NO from me!
|
|
|
Post by bowranger on Jan 29, 2017 12:09:36 GMT
Definite no from me. Not denying he's talented or that there's a chance that he could come good on/off the pitch. But he's been a dick everywhere he's been, gets shipped off to Lazio which is a hell of a second chance for a player like him and by all accounts doesn't take advantage of that either. New country, good standard, huge club - still doesn't turn it around - I don't know why that would change here.
Even if it was on some kinda short term contract to prove himself, who's to say he turns if he's granted a long term one? It's not the kind of risk I think we should be taking, let alone with our dressing room. On a more 'selfish' note, I feel he's done enough for me to think he's a nasty piece of work and simply don't want him on our payroll.
|
|
|
Post by harr on Jan 29, 2017 12:17:24 GMT
Definite no from me. Not denying he's talented or that there's a chance that he could come good on/off the pitch. But he's been a dick everywhere he's been, gets shipped off to Lazio which is a hell of a second chance for a player like him and by all accounts doesn't take advantage of that either. New country, good standard, huge club - still doesn't turn it around - I don't know why that would change here. Even if it was on some kinda short term contract to prove himself, who's to say he turns if he's granted a long term one? It's not the kind of risk I think we should be taking, let alone with our dressing room. On a more 'selfish' note, I feel he's done enough for me to think he's a nasty piece of work and simply don't want him on our payroll. What about an initial contract to the end of the season and see how he performs. With the option of a roll on for a year or two. If we had no option and he was a success he could easily slide somewhere else.
|
|
|
Post by harr on Jan 29, 2017 20:06:27 GMT
|
|
|
Post by nomar on Jan 29, 2017 21:15:18 GMT
I honestly don't really know much about the lad so I can't really say yay or nay.
But the tweet above from Trevor Sinclair kind of sums it up. People that know of him, to a man, all say that the kid is blessed with an insane amount of ability. Players like that genuinely don't come to struggling Championship clubs in the prime years of their careers unless they have serious baggage and have effed up at far bigger clubs first.
This was the reason why we got Adel.
If Ravel Morrison is anywhere near as talented as Adel was and actually is prepared to apply himself, learn from his mistakes and start to fulfil the talent that he obviously has then he's the kind of player that, next season, can turn the club from mid table mediocrity to promotion contenders.
Players like that are a gamble, but those are the kinds of gambles teams under FFP constraints sometimes have to take.
|
|
|
Post by harr on Jan 29, 2017 22:16:54 GMT
I honestly don't really know much about the lad so I can't really say yay or nay. But the tweet above from Trevor Sinclair kind of sums it up. People that know of him, to a man, all say that the kid is blessed with an insane amount of ability. Players like that genuinely don't come to struggling Championship clubs in the prime years of their careers unless they have serious baggage and have effed up at far bigger clubs first. This was the reason why we got Adel. If Ravel Morrison is anywhere near as talented as Adel was and actually is prepared to apply himself, learn from his mistakes and start to fulfil the talent that he obviously has then he's the kind of player that, next season, can turn the club from mid table mediocrity to promotion contenders. Players like that are a gamble, but those are the kinds of gambles teams under FFP constraints sometimes have to take. Very well put Nomar
|
|
|
Post by Macmoish on Jan 30, 2017 8:02:09 GMT
It sure looks like he's coming. And I don't want him Because I do care about who's playing for QPR. Not just what they bring to the club on the field. But to the kind of person someone is. And Yes I know this is a perennial debate re various players: Do we expect Saints. Should someone's off the field affect our view on the field? Is it "one mistake" or one of a series? Have people changed and won't act similarly again. All fair questions. But bottom line for me - I didnt want him last time (and yes I acknowledge he did well especially beginning months). I don't want him this time en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ravel_Morrison
|
|
|
Post by bowranger on Jan 30, 2017 14:54:01 GMT
Definite no from me. Not denying he's talented or that there's a chance that he could come good on/off the pitch. But he's been a dick everywhere he's been, gets shipped off to Lazio which is a hell of a second chance for a player like him and by all accounts doesn't take advantage of that either. New country, good standard, huge club - still doesn't turn it around - I don't know why that would change here. Even if it was on some kinda short term contract to prove himself, who's to say he turns if he's granted a long term one? It's not the kind of risk I think we should be taking, let alone with our dressing room. On a more 'selfish' note, I feel he's done enough for me to think he's a nasty piece of work and simply don't want him on our payroll. What about an initial contract to the end of the season and see how he performs. With the option of a roll on for a year or two. If we had no option and he was a success he could easily slide somewhere else. Maybe but again, it's two-fold for me. Yeah, a deal like that limits risk but I still feel like dangling a performance-based contract in front of him is not as much security as people think. Behaves himself til the end of May, signs a new contract - who's to say what happens next? Personally I'm with Mac on this. I think he could very well end up a success if he knuckles down - it's a risk but a risk clubs like ours may well take. But personally, everyone has lines in terms of who they would and would not tolerate at their football club and his conduct goes far beyond mine in terms of giving him a footballing platform. Taarabt was a very talented player who was essentially a spoilt brat. I lament how he's now wasted his undoubted talent and whilst he gave me ridiculous amounts of joy, his attitude and strops bugged me - but no more than that. A mixed bag. People making the comparison with Taarabt in terms of them both being rough gems not making the most of their talent doesn't even come close in terms of their character though. Taarabt is a very talented egotist who's spoilt and lazy. I still love him. Ravel Morrison is a domestic abuser. He's a homophobe. I don't want him anywhere near our club. No different to Marlon King (who are fans were very passionately against even training with us and rightly so.
|
|
|
Post by harr on Jan 30, 2017 15:26:13 GMT
What about an initial contract to the end of the season and see how he performs. With the option of a roll on for a year or two. If we had no option and he was a success he could easily slide somewhere else. Maybe but again, it's two-fold for me. Yeah, a deal like that limits risk but I still feel like dangling a performance-based contract in front of him is not as much security as people think. Behaves himself til the end of May, signs a new contract - who's to say what happens next? Personally I'm with Mac on this. I think he could very well end up a success if he knuckles down - it's a risk but a risk clubs like ours may well take. But personally, everyone has lines in terms of who they would and would not tolerate at their football club and his conduct goes far beyond mine in terms of giving him a footballing platform. Taarabt was a very talented player who was essentially a spoilt brat. I lament how he's now wasted his undoubted talent and whilst he gave me ridiculous amounts of joy, his attitude and strops bugged me - but no more than that. A mixed bag. People making the comparison with Taarabt in terms of them both being rough gems not making the most of their talent doesn't even come close in terms of their character though. Taarabt is a very talented egotist who's spoilt and lazy. I still love him. Ravel Morrison is a domestic abuser. He's a homophobe. I don't want him anywhere near our club. No different to Marlon King (who are fans were very passionately against even training with us and rightly so. I think Ravel is already a done deal to the end of the season. My betting is we will have first option to buy him in the summer. Its not the ideal situation, I fully agree and maybe years gone by I would have had the same opinion as you, Mac, Terry, Sharky and others but I feel the guy deserves a final chance. Its probably wrong of me but I was just the same with Adel, slightly different scenarios of course.
|
|
Dufster
Neil Warnock
I say!
Posts: 548
|
Post by Dufster on Jan 30, 2017 15:47:38 GMT
Must agree, I think we are a good option for him as he is for us.
Having role models like Ramsey and Ferdinand at the club are just what he needs to help him reach his potential!
|
|
|
Post by dorsetqpr on Jan 30, 2017 15:53:55 GMT
Looking at the Trevor Sinclair tweet, i'm prepared to give him one last chance. If anybody can keep him in line it'll be Holloway.
|
|
|
Post by bowranger on Jan 30, 2017 15:57:59 GMT
Maybe but again, it's two-fold for me. Yeah, a deal like that limits risk but I still feel like dangling a performance-based contract in front of him is not as much security as people think. Behaves himself til the end of May, signs a new contract - who's to say what happens next? Personally I'm with Mac on this. I think he could very well end up a success if he knuckles down - it's a risk but a risk clubs like ours may well take. But personally, everyone has lines in terms of who they would and would not tolerate at their football club and his conduct goes far beyond mine in terms of giving him a footballing platform. Taarabt was a very talented player who was essentially a spoilt brat. I lament how he's now wasted his undoubted talent and whilst he gave me ridiculous amounts of joy, his attitude and strops bugged me - but no more than that. A mixed bag. People making the comparison with Taarabt in terms of them both being rough gems not making the most of their talent doesn't even come close in terms of their character though. Taarabt is a very talented egotist who's spoilt and lazy. I still love him. Ravel Morrison is a domestic abuser. He's a homophobe. I don't want him anywhere near our club. No different to Marlon King (who are fans were very passionately against even training with us and rightly so. I think Ravel is already a done deal to the end of the season. My betting is we will have first option to buy him in the summer. Its not the ideal situation, I fully agree and maybe years gone by I would have had the same opinion as you, Mac, Terry, Sharky and others but I feel the guy deserves a final chance. Its probably wrong of me but I was just the same with Adel, slightly different scenarios of course. Come on man, slightly different scenarios? One of these people eats too much and likes a strop, the other is violent, homophobic and attacks women. Night and day.
|
|
|
Post by harr on Jan 30, 2017 16:14:45 GMT
I think Ravel is already a done deal to the end of the season. My betting is we will have first option to buy him in the summer. Its not the ideal situation, I fully agree and maybe years gone by I would have had the same opinion as you, Mac, Terry, Sharky and others but I feel the guy deserves a final chance. Its probably wrong of me but I was just the same with Adel, slightly different scenarios of course. Come on man, slightly different scenarios? One of these people eats too much and likes a strop, the other is violent, homophobic and attacks women. Night and day. Ok, very different scenarios, fully get that. Still give the guy one final chance. Assess in May if not fully focused and fit get rid, if puts in 100 % no question has ability by the shedload.
|
|
|
Post by sharky on Jan 30, 2017 16:18:53 GMT
Come on man, slightly different scenarios? One of these people eats too much and likes a strop, the other is violent, homophobic and attacks women. Night and day. Ok, very different scenarios, fully get that. Still give the guy one final chance. Assess in May if not fully focused and fit get rid, if puts in 100 % no question has ability by the shedload. Some reports saying he's unfit currently. If that's the case he won't last long as a trialist for the U23s v Coventry and will only be fit in April/May!
|
|