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Post by harr on Oct 6, 2014 8:41:02 GMT
38 Games in Charge
6 wins in 37 games dDDWLLLWdDddLLWWLLDLLdLLL. This year. LLWLDLLLWLDL
6 Wins 20 Losses 11 Draws. ( 5 goalless draws)
TWO wins in last 21 matches , as Premier League Games as our Manager.
29 Points in 37 games.
Average of 0.78 points per game . Equivalent to 29 points in a season.
Think this goes to show he is out of his depth ? You can only blame others so much, you have to be accountable some time.
These figures don't make good reading.
TF has backed him, yet results are still poor.
In those last sixteen games lost to Villa , Fulham, Stoke,Newcastle,Hull,West Ham Failed to beat Wigan, Reading, Stoke to name but a few . Some average teams there, our leaders can not be leading.
HARRY REDKNAPP WIN RATIO IN THE PREMIER LEAGUE WITH QPR @ APPROX 15%
How does REDKNAPP compare?? The answer worse than Warnock and Hughes as a Premier League Manager for QPR
REDKNAPP 37 Games, 29 points, 6 wins, 0.78 pts per game, win ratio 16 % app WARNOCK 20 Games, 17 points, 4 wins, 0.85 pts per game, win ratio 20 % HUGHES. 30 Games, 24 points, 6 wins , 0.80 pts per game, win ratio 20 %
So who is accountable Redknapp? Bond? Jordan? The fitness coach ? Hoddle (don't think so)
Oh and for those that say HR got us promoted, yes he did with 80 pts Warnock did the same same with 88 points .
Redknapp in the Championship 1.74 points per game - 46 games Warnock in the Championship 1.80 points per game - 60 games . Neil wins that one too on points per game average.
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Post by timewaster on Oct 6, 2014 15:03:57 GMT
Harry has been poor and this proves it The only time we were hard to beat was with McClaren coaching. We were not the third best team last season and got lucky to get promoted. I said before this season started that I thought we would struggle to win one away game and I still think that. We can all see that we have a far stronger squad than teams like Burnley and Palace but they still look better teams. This shows that Harry Jordan and Bond are not the answer and they have been here for nearly two years. Give Hoddle a chance before he walks away.
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Post by FloridaR on Oct 6, 2014 19:50:56 GMT
Can someone post up a comparison with Hughes record ?
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Post by harr on Oct 6, 2014 20:47:49 GMT
Can someone post up a comparison with Hughes record ? Hughes is up there Floridar, see bold with his win % at 20% same as Warnock and a points per game better than REDKNAPP too. Did you need more ?
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Post by FloridaR on Oct 6, 2014 23:42:38 GMT
Blows my mind away, these days business's rely on stats to determine success and above shows Harrys out of a job.
But I have had a longterm feeling that Tony doesn't care if the side wins or loses as he has already been paid for this season and next. The premier money is the only thing he cares about as he's already won but for Harry and his Team its a decision of quietening the noise and making change when things get to loud in the media. Fernandes is so fake its unreal...
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Post by londonranger on Oct 7, 2014 1:04:16 GMT
This is not a team. A collection of wandering around the pitch, watching the other team play, expecting to lose. Too sad for words. Never seen anything like it.
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Post by londonranger on Oct 7, 2014 1:10:03 GMT
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Post by londonranger on Oct 7, 2014 1:11:30 GMT
We agree.
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Post by harr on Oct 8, 2014 8:50:35 GMT
Just thought I would add the results at Palace pre and once Pulis Joined
LLWLLLLLLLd
11 games before he joined 4 points . So Palace had a similar start to us under Hughes (4 pts 12 games)
Difference was Rednapp only managed 21 points in 26 games. 4 Wins
Pulis at Palace 27 games WLWWLLWLDLWWLWLDLdLWWWWWLDD. 41 points 27 games. (REDKNAPP 21 pts 26 games)
PULIS 12 wins from 27. Points per game 1.52 , Win Ratio 44 % Redkapp 4 wins from 26 Points per game 0.80 Win Ratio 15 %
QPR 20th 25 pts , Palace 11th 45 pts We're Palace really any different to us when we replaced Hughes Sure it wasn't all rosy when Pulis walked in the door .
A Huge difference in what Pulis and REDKNAPP achieved in those seasons .
I don't think Tony Fernandes can wait much further than the Newcastle Game before he has to make a big decision.
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Post by harr on Nov 23, 2014 12:26:38 GMT
Was interesting to find that having updated the original post which was done at game 7 this season.... Harrys Win ratio as QPR Manager in the Prem 38 games hasn't changed from 5 games ago . Still at 15% against that of 20 % of Warnock and Hughes.
Harrys overall points per game as a Prem Manager at 0.76 this season so far in the Prem 0.66 , make of that what you will but after giving him this long we have seven games to get to the half way stage .
Our Away form is dire . Our Home games in 2014 Hull Sunderland Stoke Liverpool Man City Villa Leicester Burnley WBA Palace Ten home games and 8 of our relegation rivals at home .
Next years Home games Swansea Man U southampton Spurs Arsenal Everton Chelsea West Ham Newcastle Only nine games at home 2015 and as things stand pretty much the nine teams at the top of the table .
Unless Rednapp gets big points on board in these next 6-7 games we are truely screwed in my opinion. I know teams have turned around only having 15 or 17 points at Christmas and stayed up . But they probably weren't as goal shy as us away from home and they wouldn't have had 9 games at home like we have into the new year.
Time Redknapp really stepped up, it's ok playing good stuff but at the end of the day just wins count now nothing else.
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Post by Macmoish on Nov 23, 2014 12:44:52 GMT
Redknapp's "Solution" Buy , Buy , Buy
Notably Defoe - A High paid Defoe Loan for 6 months, would be a reasonable, high cost gamble
But Defoe signed for multi-millions and paid multi-millions on a multi-year deal - would be just repeated insanity and another big gamble contrary to "Lessons Learned"
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Post by harr on Nov 23, 2014 12:54:40 GMT
Redknapp's "Solution" Buy , Buy , Buy Notably Defoe - A High paid Defoe Loan for 6 months, would be a reasonable, high cost gamble But Defoe signed for multi-millions and paid multi-millions on a multi-year deal - would be just repeated insanity and another big gamble contrary to "Lessons Learned" Sadly Fernandes will always give in to him like he did with Ferdinand . How we spend 7,8,9 Million on Sandro I never know . Not seen him do a lot really and seems an injury about to happen every time he plays.
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Post by Macmoish on Nov 23, 2014 13:11:08 GMT
And Sandro Injuries are not the "bad Luck" sign a player and he breaks his leg or gets ACL That's what Sandro was at Tottenham as well
But Redknapp can shrug his shoulders and complain and ultimately move on or retire - avoiding all blame
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Post by harr on Nov 23, 2014 14:50:07 GMT
And Sandro Injuries are not the "bad Luck" sign a player and he breaks his leg or gets ACL That's what Sandro was at Tottenham as well But Redknapp can shrug his shoulders and complain and ultimately move on or retire - avoiding all blame Yes I fully expect a statement to come out soon after the a Redknapp reign ends. "That I did the best anyone could have done under the certain circumstances and budget available" which in my mind won't be the truth . i didn't expect this season to be easy but did expect us to have more than eight points at the end of November. Was I being over confident? Quite possibly .
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Post by sharky on Nov 23, 2014 16:05:26 GMT
There are lies, damned lies and statistics.
The facts are that we have played some of the currently strongest teams in the league over the last month or so and haven't been disgraced.
Sure we need to start picking up points but to say that we are no hopers or similar is a distortion of the facts IMO.
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Post by harr on Nov 23, 2014 16:42:25 GMT
There are lies, damned lies and statistics. The facts are that we have played some of the currently strongest teams in the league over the last month or so and haven't been disgraced. Sure we need to start picking up points but to say that we are no hopers or similar is a distortion of the facts IMO. Who said No Hopers ? Not sure where that came from, certainly not from me. Whilst we might not be disgraced , other teams are actually believe it or not beating them, shock horror. Fact is we have played some of the top teams yes , like Liverpool you mean the Liverpool that just got beat by Palace and Man City the ones that lost at Home to Stoke. All big teams are there to be beaten , Spurs have lost to everyone , Man U have lost to Leicester and others so have Arsenal. Fact is we have played 6 away games and have been very poor in nearly all of them bar Chelsea.
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Post by sharky on Nov 23, 2014 16:50:29 GMT
There are lies, damned lies and statistics. The facts are that we have played some of the currently strongest teams in the league over the last month or so and haven't been disgraced. Sure we need to start picking up points but to say that we are no hopers or similar is a distortion of the facts IMO. Who said No Hopers ? Not sure where that came from, certainly not from me. Whilst we might not be disgraced , other teams are actually believe it or not beating them, shock horror. Fact is we have played some of the top teams yes , like Liverpool you mean the Liverpool that just got beat by Palace and Man City the ones that lost at Home to Stoke. All big teams are there to be beaten , Spurs have lost to everyone , Man U have lost to Leicester and others so have Arsenal. Fact is we have played 6 away games and have been very poor in nearly all of them bar Chelsea. We all have our own opinions. Mine is that we have played well in the last month and a half or so. Sure we had a horrible start but we should have beaten Liverpool (but for 2 own goals), we drew with the current EPL Champions, lost 1-0 to Newcastle, with the best current win ratio (bar Chelscum). IMO it's not all doom and gloom as some would have us believe quoting stats.
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Post by timewaster on Nov 23, 2014 23:41:57 GMT
Who said No Hopers ? Not sure where that came from, certainly not from me. Whilst we might not be disgraced , other teams are actually believe it or not beating them, shock horror. Fact is we have played some of the top teams yes , like Liverpool you mean the Liverpool that just got beat by Palace and Man City the ones that lost at Home to Stoke. All big teams are there to be beaten , Spurs have lost to everyone , Man U have lost to Leicester and others so have Arsenal. Fact is we have played 6 away games and have been very poor in nearly all of them bar Chelsea. We all have our own opinions. Mine is that we have played well in the last month and a half or so. Sure we had a horrible start but we should have beaten Liverpool (but for 2 own goals), we drew with the current EPL Champions, lost 1-0 to Newcastle, with the best current win ratio (bar Chelscum). IMO it's not all doom and gloom as some would have us believe quoting stats. I agree with you sharky. We are playing much better than at any time previous with Harry. I would of been happy to see a change in manager before the season started but not now. We have to back him and I think results will pick up over the next few weeks.
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Post by superckat on Nov 24, 2014 0:31:28 GMT
Who said No Hopers ? Not sure where that came from, certainly not from me. Whilst we might not be disgraced , other teams are actually believe it or not beating them, shock horror. Fact is we have played some of the top teams yes , like Liverpool you mean the Liverpool that just got beat by Palace and Man City the ones that lost at Home to Stoke. All big teams are there to be beaten , Spurs have lost to everyone , Man U have lost to Leicester and others so have Arsenal. Fact is we have played 6 away games and have been very poor in nearly all of them bar Chelsea. We all have our own opinions. Mine is that we have played well in the last month and a half or so. Sure we had a horrible start but we should have beaten Liverpool (but for 2 own goals), we drew with the current EPL Champions, lost 1-0 to Newcastle, with the best current win ratio (bar Chelscum). IMO it's not all doom and gloom as some would have us believe quoting stats. The key points to note in the argument about how well we played, is that we have only won 1 out of 5 games. We're still coming up short. It's not good enough.
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Post by harr on Nov 24, 2014 11:04:27 GMT
Exactly Superc . One thing we seem to be is consistent . First 6 games - 1 win, 1 draw and four defeats - Last 6 games ditto . Let's hope the next 6 games rewards more than four points or we are down without question. I doubt you won't get an easier block of six than these that's for sure, with these those home games.
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Post by kilburnhoop on Nov 24, 2014 11:25:32 GMT
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Post by Jon Doeman on Nov 24, 2014 11:41:49 GMT
38 Games in Charge 6 wins in 38 games LdDDWLLLWdDddLLWWLLDLLdLLL. This year. LLWLDLLLWLDL 6 Wins 21 Losses 11 Draws. ( 5 goalless draws) TWO wins in last 21 matches , as Premier League Games as our Manager. 29 Points in 38 games. Average of 0.76 points per game . Equivalent to 29 points in a season. Think this goes to show he is out of his depth ? You can only blame others so much, you have to be accountable some time. These figures don't make good reading. TF has backed him, yet results are still poor. In those last sixteen games lost to Villa , Fulham, Stoke,Newcastle,Hull,West Ham Failed to beat Wigan, Reading, Stoke to name but a few . Some average teams there, our leaders can not be leading. HARRY REDKNAPP WIN RATIO IN THE PREMIER LEAGUE WITH QPR @ APPROX 15% How does REDKNAPP compare?? The answer worse than Warnock and Hughes as a Premier League Manager for QPR REDKNAPP 38 Games, 29 points, 6 wins, 0.76 pts per game, win ratio 15 % app WARNOCK 20 Games, 17 points, 4 wins, 0.85 pts per game, win ratio 20 % HUGHES. 30 Games, 24 points, 6 wins , 0.80 pts per game, win ratio 20 %So who is accountable Redknapp? Bond? Jordan? The fitness coach ? Hoddle (don't think so) Oh and for those that say HR got us promoted, yes he did with 80 pts Warnock did the same same with 88 points . Redknapp in the Championship 1.74 points per game - 46 games Warnock in the Championship 1.80 points per game - 60 games . Neil wins that one too on points per game average. First game in charge was the draw at Sunderland statman!!
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Post by harr on Nov 24, 2014 12:32:25 GMT
38 Games in Charge 6 wins in 38 games LdDDWLLLWdDddLLWWLLDLLdLLL. This year. LLWLDLLLWLDL 6 Wins 21 Losses 11 Draws. ( 5 goalless draws) TWO wins in last 21 matches , as Premier League Games as our Manager. 29 Points in 38 games. Average of 0.76 points per game . Equivalent to 29 points in a season. Think this goes to show he is out of his depth ? You can only blame others so much, you have to be accountable some time. These figures don't make good reading. TF has backed him, yet results are still poor. In those last sixteen games lost to Villa , Fulham, Stoke,Newcastle,Hull,West Ham Failed to beat Wigan, Reading, Stoke to name but a few . Some average teams there, our leaders can not be leading. HARRY REDKNAPP WIN RATIO IN THE PREMIER LEAGUE WITH QPR @ APPROX 15% How does REDKNAPP compare?? The answer worse than Warnock and Hughes as a Premier League Manager for QPR REDKNAPP 38 Games, 29 points, 6 wins, 0.76 pts per game, win ratio 15 % app WARNOCK 20 Games, 17 points, 4 wins, 0.85 pts per game, win ratio 20 % HUGHES. 30 Games, 24 points, 6 wins , 0.80 pts per game, win ratio 20 %So who is accountable Redknapp? Bond? Jordan? The fitness coach ? Hoddle (don't think so) Oh and for those that say HR got us promoted, yes he did with 80 pts Warnock did the same same with 88 points . Redknapp in the Championship 1.74 points per game - 46 games Warnock in the Championship 1.80 points per game - 60 games . Neil wins that one too on points per game average. First game in charge was the draw at Sunderland statman!! Hi Jon , hope your well. Well I'm not the statman anymore, I lost that job on here and the salary that went with it. Wheres Sirpie , he was a true statman . Apologies yes your right, I was somehow thinking Harry was in Charge of Manure but it was Bowen for that game , was Harry there in the stands though. Sure if he was in the stands can count it as one of his games in charge . Did he have a phone with him ? I will ammend his winning ratio and points per game as its only 37 Prem games. Gonna make a big difference Jon, close to 40 % win ratio now I reckon I don't see you post on here much these days , shame. I must get on Twitter and be one of your thousands of followers. Always fully respect your comments, incidentally what do you make of Harrys first 12 games this season and would you give him the whole season even if we stay down in the bottom two.
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Post by harr on Nov 24, 2014 12:44:04 GMT
There you go Jon the original post has been ammended to 37 games in the Prem Win ratio goes up from 15 to 16 % His points per game as a Prem Manager at QPR up from 0.76 to 0.78 pts per game This year running at 0.66 Still doesn't get me excited, me and my two lads are of the opinion it's pretty much too late to consider changing now anyway, let things turn out how they will. Fernandes seems happy that's all that matters. We quite like the two games a week of the champs Cheers for letting me know, don't go checking my other stuff though
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Post by Jon Doeman on Nov 24, 2014 13:27:09 GMT
what do you make of Harrys first 12 games this season and would you give him the whole season even if we stay down in the bottom two. Very disappointing H, after that last prem season I thought it vital to hit the ground running! Not all doom & gloom though, I've thought we've looked quite a good side at home & should have more points for those games. Keep that up & hopefully the away form will improve & we should just about be able to stay up!
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Post by harr on Nov 24, 2014 13:43:09 GMT
what do you make of Harrys first 12 games this season and would you give him the whole season even if we stay down in the bottom two. Very disappointing H, after that last prem season I thought it vital to hit the ground running! Not all doom & gloom though, I've thought we've looked quite a good side at home & should have more points for those games. Keep that up & hopefully the away form will improve & we should just about be able to stay up! Let's hope we stay up Jon ! its impossible for the away form not to improve
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Post by corndog on Nov 24, 2014 19:38:32 GMT
It all depends how we do in the next month. We played well against top in form teams, but now it comes down to getting the job done against the teams on the lower part of the table. If this team can play at the same level it did against Liverpool, Man City and Chelsea they should get enough points. But these games aren't as easy as they look, the opposition feels the same way, that these are winnable games that will be important to keep them up. If it's like Redknapp's last run with QPR in this league, the team had good performances against top teams, but couldn't get the wins off the bottom teams which ultimately led to relegation. Hopefully history doesn't repeat itself, but it's looking likely. I guess we can check back on this next month and see where we stand.
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Post by londonranger on Nov 25, 2014 0:47:29 GMT
Who will score, and how, all these critical games. Austin looked knackered throughout second half. Which defenders will fill holes, keep their legs together
and help Rob in goal who was playing goal and defenders in flying way off goal to challenge brilliantly. Has made most saves in Prem.
I feel let down as a fan by this whole administration and brains trust ,to have to again endure a bottom place club. We don't deserve it. Fernandes
saying we must have a 40,000 stadium to be Premmer safe. Bollox. Do your job and build a team that are winners.
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Post by londonranger on Nov 25, 2014 1:10:03 GMT
I will not waste my time watching anymore away games. I will watch the second half of home games only. My time is too valuable to watch rubbish week after week.
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Post by harr on Nov 25, 2014 8:05:26 GMT
I must agree London most of the away game performances have been dreadful , nothing really has improved from away performances in the Prem going back to Hughes and Redknapp in 2012-13 Six defeats , make that seven with that pathetic loss at Burton . Still Fernades seems happy with things, seeing we have four points more than what Hughes did . Still Hughes had to play Hill,Derry,SWP,Diakite,Mbia and others. When you look at the two teams , it makes you wonder how many points Hughes or Warnock might have had with Redknapps team . Hughes more than four, without doubt. Warnock already had 15 pts at this stage, so might have had nearer twenty. We have to beat Leicester and Burnley now, home draws wouldn't be enough.
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