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Post by Macmoish on Jul 25, 2014 7:51:56 GMT
PLEASE DO NOT POST YOUR VIEWS On the Middle East Conflict - or on anything Political
I'm posting what he said - and what Benayoun posted.
Feel free to offer views on Players posting political views and opinons.
But I do not want posters on this board getting into merits of conflict...
Thanks
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Post by Macmoish on Jul 25, 2014 7:52:57 GMT
twitter.com/joey7bartonJoseph Barton @joey7barton · 3m This is not war. These are not combatants. They are just innocent children. This is ethnic cleansing. pic.twitter.com/Qf9JabG79Y Embedded image permalink View more photos and videos Joseph Barton @joey7barton · 12m The UN attempting to evacuate the school when the bombing took place? Asked IDF for window to evacuate. Not given. Children die as a result. Joseph Barton @joey7barton · 18m How can a God stand by and watch this? Or even condone this? Is this all part of his master plan? Joseph Barton @joey7barton · 22m If this was anybody else but Israel the West would intervene. It cannot continue. Innocent children being slaughtered. This must stop. Joseph Barton @joey7barton · 28m The attack on the school in Beit Hanoun is deplorable. #StopKillingChildrenInGaza
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Post by Macmoish on Jul 25, 2014 7:53:51 GMT
Ex-QPR man Yossi Benayoun says Joey Barton “will stay stupid all your life” for anti-Israel tweet By benjamin Updated: July 25, 2014 Feeds: Joey BartonMaccabi HaifaQPRYossi Benayoun 897355 20006302 1600 900 Ex QPR man Yossi Benayoun says Joey Barton will stay stupid all your life for anti Israel tweet A war of words has broken out on Twitter early on Friday morning between former QPR teammates Joey Barton and Yossi Benayoun. Barton woke up on Friday morning to tweet out his thoughts on the current war between Israel and Hamas. Barton wrote on the social network: If this was anybody else but Israel the West would intervene. It cannot continue. Innocent children being slaughtered. This must stop. Benayoun, the former Israeli national captain, almost immediately hit back at his ex-QPR teammate, writing: @joey7barton mate things can never changed you have been stupid and you will stay stupid all your life… embarrassing. It’s worth noting that Yossi Benayoun now plays for Maccabi Haifa, who were this week attacked on the pitch by a group of pro-Palestinians who deplorably ran onto the pitch during the Greens pre-season friendly with Lille. Screen Shot 2014 07 25 at 10.41.48 AM Ex QPR man Yossi Benayoun says Joey Barton will stay stupid all your life for anti Israel tweet www.101greatgoals.com/blog/ex-qpr-man-yossi-benayoun-says-joey-barton-will-stay-stupid-all-your-life-for-anti-israel-tweet/
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Post by Macmoish on Jul 25, 2014 8:16:30 GMT
And theologian
Joseph BartonVerified account @joey7barton
Joseph Barton @joey7barton · 9m
Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?
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Joseph Barton @joey7barton · 9m
Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is impotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent.
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Joseph Barton @joey7barton · 14m
@yossibenayoun15 Last but not least, I hope you and your family are safe and well and remain so through this terrible time. xx View conversation
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Joseph Barton @joey7barton · 15m
@yossibenayoun15 Thirdly, you cannot remove people from their land because a fictional book from thousands of years ago tells you can. View conversation
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Joseph Barton @joey7barton · 17m
@yossibenayoun15 Firstly, you cannot call somebody stupid with such bad grammar. Secondly, you cannot and should not kill innocent children.
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Post by RoryTheRanger on Jul 25, 2014 8:19:32 GMT
I'm guessing I won't have too many people agree with me here but I see no problem whatsoever with players talking about politics and world events such as this and find the view that they should stick to just tweeting simple little football related tweets to be ridiculous.
Barton is a human being, he has an opinion just like everyone else does, censoring it is just not the way to go. Some will say "but it effects the club".... I say that's rubbish, it's his personal opinion, if we're not letting players air their opinions on people dying then I really don't know what we've come to
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Post by Macmoish on Jul 25, 2014 8:36:30 GMT
Well Pre-twitter, players had to get permission before talking to the press. And there were always FA disciplinary actions about "Bringing the game into disrepute"
I've previously expressed my views about Barton and his tweets. I think it's divisive and distractive (and possibly contrary to the club's best interests)
Should there be any limits?
I had a problem with Di Canio and his Fascist salutes. Suppose he just tweets his fascist views?
Or suppose tweeting views about Scottish or Irish independence or view of Politics or any hot button issue?
In many jobs you give up some "rights" about what you can say publicly as long as you're employed
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Post by RoryTheRanger on Jul 25, 2014 8:47:01 GMT
So why does football have to be one of those jobs Mac??
Obviously there has to be some kind of limit, we can't have players saying things that will offend a majority of people like your example of Di Canio but I don't see how players airing their views on world news comes anywhere close to that.
It's the year 2014, people have opinions and a place to air them, we have to deal with the fact we can't like all of them
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Post by Macmoish on Jul 25, 2014 9:06:13 GMT
So why does football have to be one of those jobs Mac?? Obviously there has to be some kind of limit, we can't have players saying things that will offend a majority of people like your example of Di Canio but I don't see how players airing their views on world news comes anywhere close to that. It's the year 2014, people have opinions and a place to air them, we have to deal with the fact we can't like all of them If you're going to allow "free speech" why limit it to stuff that won't "offend a majority of people"? What percentage is it ok to offend?
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Post by RoryTheRanger on Jul 25, 2014 9:31:55 GMT
So why does football have to be one of those jobs Mac?? Obviously there has to be some kind of limit, we can't have players saying things that will offend a majority of people like your example of Di Canio but I don't see how players airing their views on world news comes anywhere close to that. It's the year 2014, people have opinions and a place to air them, we have to deal with the fact we can't like all of them If you're going to allow "free speech" why limit it to stuff that won't "offend a majority of people"? What percentage is it ok to offend? Obviously there has to be a limit because there is a point where it becomes a problem for the club, like if for example a player was expressing openly racist opinions for example, which would involve the club having to get involved and potentially ban/fine a player or even sack them. The point here is that Barton has done nothing in expressing his views on a subject that everyone else is talking about. I don't see a single sane or good reason for any player to have to keep quiet about the senseless killing that is currently going on in that part of the world. That's the last I'm saying on the subject.
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Post by oldman on Jul 25, 2014 9:38:16 GMT
I do not think that any contract for a footballer, or FA Sanction pre social media could prevent individuals talking about world events? As for bringing the game into disrepute although that was (and is) a wide catch all used (or sometimes misused) to prevent individuals from linking football with undesirable issues or movements - there is nothing being said in these extracts that many people are saying - including Radio 4 on the Today programme this morning. You can argue the views expressed are simplistic, you can argue they may not be accurate, but why should this person not be able to express a view about something that is across every media outlet in the world?
I am not a fan of twitter but cannot see in this era of instant comment but Mac I have to say that you come over as ever so slightly hypocritical here! You are critical of Barton and his tweets and express concern about the views being aired but then replicate them in full together with a commentary from someone who has a particular perspective. You put a bold warning to posters not to comment on the conflict or express political views (which as it happens I support your standpoint) and then copy and paste a series of views about the conflict and religion! Putting a rider on it by saying 'I am just saying what they said' really will not do - would be okay to put up sexual or violent images and then say - "please do not put any more up I am just saying what 'x' put on twitter/facebook/instagram or whatever!"
I think this will be my last post on this site, mac I do not know you and I admired your blog - particularly for the breadth of information and history and thought the message board was head and shoulders above anything else for the tolerance and informed contributions but just recently I think this board has lost its way.
Your recent post about the member of the media team blocking you without disclosing the context and then never responding to questions yet this is a criticism that you level at the club, the almost constant negative description of anything the club say - 'spin' 'hype' etc and almost begrudging praise for anything that is vaguely positive has got to the point where it is not even subtle.
This latest thread is the straw that has broken the proverbial camels back - there are numerous ways you could have made a comment on the rights or wrongs of Barton's tweets - if you thought it was so important - without highlighting the content - instead you chose to have the best of both worlds - raise a political and religious issue, repeat word for word what was said - get a dig in at Barton and put controls on what anyone else says.
If your intention was something more laudable then so be it I have got it wrong but I do not feel comfortable with the direction of travel that you seem to be taking so will bow out.
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Post by sharky on Jul 25, 2014 9:42:34 GMT
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Post by Ashdown_Ranger on Jul 25, 2014 10:02:41 GMT
I'm with Rory on this. I don't mind Yossi or Joey having views on issues outside football. In fact I would encourage more footballers to be more rounded human beings. More power to them. Have to agree. Rather a player with an idea on the bigger picture, than some tw*t spending £17,500 on a bottle of bubbly for the publicity value... goo.gl/EUce7i
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Post by Macmoish on Jul 25, 2014 10:43:02 GMT
To respond to Oldman (even if yo'ure leaving, which of course I regret)
Re Joey Barton tweets: I'm sorry you find it hypocritical. He said it, I posted it and another EC QPR Benayoun response. It was noted in the media.
If you look at the history of this messageboard, I have Strenuously (perhaps even excessively) sought to keep this board away for politics and current events. Because I believe it is divisive.
But as in the past, when a QPR player has tweeted something political or otherwise of note! I believe it has been noted here.
And the issue of players tweeting - especially Barton - has been something we've discussed before; and will again.
Re the @qpr " controversy" - You're right I haven't commented/responded. Perhaps at some point I will. But at the time I thought overall It was preferrable not to.
I did receive apologies from the two QPR officials for their tweets.
As for the "negativity" assertion re my posts/tweets. Well I acknowledge you're not the first to say that about me - and those characterizations about me precede Fernandes, Briatore and even pre-Paladini.
For better or worse, that's me.
The only charge I ever find truly inane: Am I a QPR fan?!
Anyway I regret the conclusions you've come to - and of course certainly appreciate your comments about how QPR report blog and board used to be.
(And if you want to discuss more and in private, just contact me)
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Post by blueeyedcptcook on Jul 25, 2014 11:10:42 GMT
IMO, the discussion, is a waste of time. The United Nations, cannot bring an end to a conflict, which has been going on since Adam was a boy.
Peace in our time, Never.
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Post by superckat on Jul 25, 2014 12:28:49 GMT
I'm not saying Barton's opinions are right or wrong. He is entitled to it. I just wish he would shut the f**k up. He's just a guy that likes the sound of his own voice. Twitter has given him another platform to play the big I am. Nowhere near as intelligent as he thinks he is. Also not as good a player as he thinks he is either.
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Post by canadaranger on Jul 25, 2014 14:57:25 GMT
Yossi should invite Joey to Israel and lend him his boots... because once you've walked a mile in another man's shoes...
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Post by corndog on Jul 25, 2014 16:00:28 GMT
IMO, the discussion, is a waste of time. The United Nations, cannot bring an end to a conflict, which has been going on since Adam was a boy. Peace in our time, Never. Sadly this is the truth, the only thing the UN can really do at this point is help evacuate innocent people that live in both parts. As far as Joey's opinion this is just an issue I wouldn't chose sides on. If he wants to say religious war is stupid, that's fine, but don't say one side is better than the other. There are plenty of Muslim and Jewish QPR fans that Joey could easily offend.
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Post by londonranger on Jul 25, 2014 19:56:30 GMT
Im staying out of this. Easy to upset people on twitter, especially if one discusses Religion or Politics.
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Post by timewaster on Jul 25, 2014 20:16:17 GMT
I try to avoid posting on which is a really terrible situation. Eventually a peace deal will be reached and so many people would of died for no reason. I do feel Israel should try to make more of an effort now for peace though.
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Post by camel on Jul 25, 2014 21:07:46 GMT
Macmoish tweets pro Jewish stuff quite regularly on the qprreport twitter account.
A bit much to ban any talk of the conflict if he is going to do that.
I have no concrete opinions on the dispute, but it does seem a lot of Jews call people who are against Zionism anti Semites.
Which is not the case imo.
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Post by peterg on Jul 25, 2014 22:01:05 GMT
I think Barton and Yossi are entitled to their opinions and entitled to air them providing in Barton's case as a QPR player they don't bring the club into disrepute.
There is debate, argument and abuse. Provided the line between argument and abuse isn't crossed I suppose it's ok although if I had my way I would simply kick the power leads out of the twitter servers for good or simply point the DNS records at a non existent IP address permenantly
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2014 0:04:35 GMT
My dad always said never discuss politics or religion amongst friends as if its able to start wars between country's , it will start arguments and lose said friends!
My only point i will say is if you draw a line across any country and people lose there homes , history and belonging , left with nothing then you create the conflict and it usually isn't the line drawers left fighting!
Ireland, Cyprus , Germany or Timor ... Just take your pick!
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Post by sharky on Jul 26, 2014 0:17:18 GMT
As long as the Aussies keep beating the Poms at cricket I'm happy and it's not religion or politics!
Mind you, what I've just said may not be cricket!
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Post by timewaster on Jul 26, 2014 0:30:53 GMT
As long as the Aussies keep beating the Poms at cricket I'm happy and it's not religion or politics! Mind you, what I've just said may not be cricket! Would you like Captain Cook leading your team Sharky. Ricky Ponting was a poor captain but had great players around him.
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Post by powerpump on Jul 26, 2014 0:43:36 GMT
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Post by manta on Jul 26, 2014 5:48:50 GMT
PLEASE DO NOT POST YOUR VIEWS On the Middle East Conflict - or on anything PoliticalI'm posting what he said - and what Benayoun posted. Feel free to offer views on Players posting political views and opinons. But I do not want posters on this board getting into merits of conflict... Thanks If we can't post our feelings what's the point creating this thread? You treat us like children.
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Post by Roller on Jul 26, 2014 6:55:55 GMT
The scope of this forum is made very clear on the Welcome Page. The focus of this messageboard is ENTIRELY on football and QPR matters, on and off the field.. Playing, mangerial, boardoom matters and "Sister" QPR messageboard, QPR nostalgia etc. And matters of general/generic football interest.
This messageboard does not want - and it will not accept - posts on non-Football Matters. This is in no way to disparage these subjects: Just that they're not wanted on this board. Thus: No views about concerts and rock bands and films and old and new TV shows; - "Babes of the Day" - Jokes - How to spend time at work or on weekends or parties - Not about World Events/Crises/Tragedies and politics - - Not about messageboard cliques and Friendships and animosities.As a mod on a forum which does not restrict itself to solely football matters I can thoroughly understand why. Off topics debates, especially those on politics or religion, can get very heated very quickly and regularly descend into the mire. Although this creates a lot of unnecessary work for the mods in trying to calm the situation down, I personally find the biggest frustration is people's lack of tolerance towards someone else's opinions, a situation which then gets exasperated by some posters deliberately winding up others for their own entertainment. If Macmoish wants to avoid all that, and the long term antagonism that it causes, on his forum his wishes should be respected, but would add that if Camel's comment about the qprreport twitter account, which is inextricably linked to this forum, being used for pro-Jewish purposes maybe that should be reconsidered.
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Post by Macmoish on Jul 26, 2014 8:07:42 GMT
Thanks Roller. That's the approach of this board. And it is one that will be kept to. I would disagree with Camel's description of the activities of the QPR Report Twitter feed (although I will try to be extra conscious). Now of course the only stopping me from doing so was that I try to keep my political/ideological views seperate from my QPR & football views. (As likewise I keep QPR seperate from my preferences in "Wine, women and song" (rf books or films or music or food, etc) Even with Barton: I noted what he was silent about. I did Not at all get into responding to what Barton was saying. Nor have I in the past, to the best of my recollection. I did link last week to an on the field incursion/attack against Israeli players in Austria, I absolutely HAVE on more than one occasion linked to articles on anti-Semitism in football. (As I have done also re Racism in football; and homophobia in football - and even sexism in football) And I absolutely did a couple of years ago, I did post on QPR Report Blog - and presumably on this board and tweeted as well re our Chairman's own involvement with what to my eye worthy of note. qprreportblog.blogspot.com/2012/03/premiership-chairman-qpr-chairman-tony.htmlSO I stand by that. You obviously can't go through 20,000 tweets of mine (and numerous thousand more retweets). But if you just look back at the last couple of weeks of tweets, you'll see. As far as I can recall, except for Joey Barton latest, I haven't even referred to the latest "Conflict"
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Post by Macmoish on Jul 26, 2014 8:28:40 GMT
Sorry and to get to Manta's other point:
I think discussing whether Barton should be "allowed" to tweet on anything is something that can be discussed - if people want - without getting into specifics. Certainly done it before.
It's certainly a news item when two QPR Teammates from last season are in a twitter spat
[/quote]If we can't post our feelings what's the point creating this thread? You treat us like children. [/quote]
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Post by camel on Jul 26, 2014 9:18:14 GMT
Likewise, I'm not going to trawl through all your tweets.
But on at least 3 or 4 occasions I've seen something which emphasises a Jewish standpoint.
Possibly stuff about Anelka/quennelle.
I didn't necessarily disagree with your tweets, just thought they were inappropriate from a supposedly neutral and non political account
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