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Post by Macmoish on Apr 16, 2014 9:36:12 GMT
Noooooo! TALKSPORT Rodney Marsh on why likes of Luis Suarez should be encouraged to 'cheat Rodney Marsh insists footballers should be encouraged to dive and not criticised for doing so. Liverpool hitman Luis Suarez is among those to have been blasted this season for supposedly going to ground too easily, but Marsh insists players deserve praise for doing all they can to win. Speaking on The Sports Bar, the former England striker said: "You don't dive, you don't get. It's as simple as that. "Cheating is part of sport. I'd rather be the one punching the ball in the net than losing." talksport.com/football/rodney-marsh-why-likes-luis-suarez-should-be-encouraged-cheat-14041687558
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Post by terryb on Apr 16, 2014 10:01:08 GMT
It would be hypocritical of Rodney to say differently.
He won us many a penalty & we all rejoiced that he did. How times have changed, it wasn't considered as cheating then & was just as prevalent as it is now.
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Post by oldman on Apr 16, 2014 11:18:37 GMT
I loved watching Rodney but I agree with Terryb he had no compunction about diving and had a specific way of going down. He was up there with Francis 'Lee one pen' Lee at Man City. I was quite surprised that referees were so frequently taken in! I do disagree with Terryb on one point though and that is the frequency and nature of diving in the modern game. I never remember Rodney Marsh going down when he had a clear goal scoring chance. His penalties tended to be in a crowded box when he would do his close dribble thing often just inside the area. In the modern game even where players have a better than 50% chance of scoring they often go down, which drives to distraction, personally as the last defender faces a red card penalty if an attacker is brought down, I think the same level of sanction should apply to the attacker if the referee deems that he has dived in the penalty box. I suspect that would have a dramatic impact on behaviour.
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Post by Macmoish on Apr 16, 2014 11:29:10 GMT
Let's start with "Fisting" the ball in the goal (which Marsh also defends). It's wrong when Maradonna did it. It was wrong when Baidoo did it.
It's cheating
When Cardiff "Fan" set off the firealarm. It was wrong. It was cheating
If you're tackled and make a "bid deal" of it, then I'd say it becomes a shade of grey...
If no one touches you and you just dive: It's wrong. It' cheating.
When one of my sons was being taught "Gamesmanship" by his coach, feigning injury, I think it was. That was wrong.
I don't want to win games based on cheating. At some point this is a game
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Post by wrenboy61 on Apr 16, 2014 13:17:43 GMT
I'm sorry to say it's coached at all the academies. They call it "Exaggerating the tackle".
CHEATING!!!!!!!!
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Post by terryb on Apr 16, 2014 15:39:38 GMT
Mac,
I wouldn't disagree with one single word of what your last post stated. Where I do take issue is that "cheating" is a releatively recent thing or was introduced to us by "foreigners". As I said, then it was called "winning a decision for your team, now it is often referred to as cheating.
Back in the '60's & '70's every club was made up of all British players (prior to Tottenham & Ipswich in approx.78). Every club had at least one player who "went down easily" as a regular occurance & most clubs had a whole range of players that did. Leeds had all eleven players doing it (yes, including Sprake/Harvey). Look at the team sheets from those days & you will see this to be true. Everyone that was there for the Arsenal match on Easter Monday 1976 will recall we won because Stan deliberately tripped himself up to earn the winning penalty. Without that The Leeds & Wolves- Liverpool matches wouldn't have mattered.
Punching the ball into the net was commonplace & was always celebreated with laughter by the players & supporters of the guilty club. Greaves reaction to his "goal" at the Loft was a perfect example of this. Defenders these days, do not "cheat" as they did in the day of Smith, Hunter, Storey, Harris etc. Then you would often see an opponent writhing on the ground in agony as he had "been done" off the ball & normally behind the referee's back. We had a centre half, known as Bobby, who carried this out in nearly every game. Also the players then thought nothing of ending another players career with their "robust tackling".
Of course it is not right but it certainlt ain't new & occurs in all walks of life, not just football.
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Post by Macmoish on Apr 16, 2014 16:12:23 GMT
Thanks terryb
That's right: The Jimmy Greaves "Goal!" I remember debating with a West Ham school boy friend at the time - How'd he feel if the leading goalscorer was Greaves rather than Hurst - because of that non-goal...
I always thought of the Punched goal into the net (including by Marsh) as a good natured effort - ok to do as long as the Ref knew it was happening and didnt count it.
Perhaps it was the blatant way Marsh condoned the cheating...
Obviously having seen Marsh and Bowles tripping, I know what you mean. There might be slight mitigation - given all the thuggery going on accept them - by Hunter and Harris, Storey, Tommy Smith, Southampton used to have thugs in midfield, etc.
And obviously I'm aware if one side does it and the other doesnt, puts us at the disadvantage
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Post by Jon Doeman on Apr 16, 2014 16:23:04 GMT
I assume Rodney was referring to Jarvis incident? He should've gone down, & it wouldn't have been 'diving'. I remember Mackie doing the same for us v City.
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Post by superckat on Apr 16, 2014 17:50:01 GMT
What's all the fuss about. A little cheating never hurt anyone.
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