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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2014 22:05:06 GMT
It seems want Redknapp out with gramps and kenthoop,marshbowles10 and others being the most vocal on this matter, but i havent seen anyone come up with a credible name apart from rory with Macky, who i dont believe would come to us anyway with his legal wrangle going on with Cardiff.
So can any of you who hate Redknapp, come up with the manager who will take the club on to the next level, and dont say it aint my job, as you want him out but come up with no real alternative, and no manager's like the Cardiff fella who's name i cant spell he was managing in a second rate league and people thought he was brilliant for winning the league there. not many Norwegian clubs would do well in the Championship.
Someone up and coming who has done a good job in a league of a decent standard not a second rate league with teams no one has heard of, can you think of one, and are you willing to give this manager the time to get a team together before demanding his head on a silver platter.
There has been a lot of anti Redknapp, i feel there should be a thread on who this manager that everyone seems to want but doesn't know who they are. names please people.
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Post by kenthoop on Feb 17, 2014 7:11:31 GMT
first of all you say I have been quite vocal in my dislike for Redknapp a fact of which I have never made a secret of and I make no apologies for that, I come from a world where a spade is a spade, I call it how I see it ad if people don't like m comments then all I can say is "tough" as for names to put forward, Mark Robins, Karl Robinson, Malky Mackay, and here's one to throw into the mix our own Gareth Ainsworth, Redknapp has clearly lost the ability to motivate the players and maybe a change would benefit us
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Post by marshbowles10 on Feb 17, 2014 7:30:08 GMT
I really DONT hate Rednapp!
I am QPR fan through and through that cannot see what the plan is. If the Club weren't spending millions and millions on players salaries or the transfer market I would accept the performances. If the kids had lost 3-1 yesterday and we had learned something new and importantly the players and management had learned something...ok we learn by our mistakes.
My issue with Harry and also the Board is that they are NOT learning by their mistakes. How surprising that we can't defend against a mobile attack given the average age of the defenders...we didn't learn anything there. How surprising that we are over run in midfield where Barton misplaces half of his passes and Kranjar doesn't track. How surprising we don;t score more than the opposition when our only scoring forward gets injured and we have a bench full of forwards that are always injury. Where is the planning?
There appears to be no grand plan. Forget the name Harry Rednapp and his troop of'what do they do's' that cost this club apparently the best part of £4million a year in salary. I would be calling for any pensionable aged manager to call it day and bring in some young fresh talent. Who is available is one thing...who would come is another. Leicester and Burnley seem to be doing OK with young managers and Spurs are on the up too. They are out there. Would ex players work at QPR? Would a Bircham/Ferdinand ticket with a senior director of football work?
The club are building for the future with the academy and the new ground....yet seem to have forgotten we need to have a team that has a legacy that can be built upon and doesn't change 80% of its squad every 12 months.
I don't hate Harry, I HATE writing about the garbage that comes out of LR.
Why? Because I care, just as you do.
We all want our club to succeed but I just don;t think the current management is doing it correctly and I'd like the line to be drawn sooner rather than later so we can plan for the future.
Mate I truly hope I'm wrong and somehow Harry turns it around........but for anyone that has seen this side play regularly they know that the performances have at times been shocking.
Perhaps I'll forgive Sky for once for showing our games because for those that don;t go every week you can now see pretty typical team performance.
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Post by scubahoop on Feb 17, 2014 10:52:47 GMT
Totally agree with everything you say Marshbowles. For those of us that attend regularly, the football has been dire. Redknapp has got away with it because results have generally been positive and we've sat 2nd in the League for most of the season. The writing is on the wall now. We will struggle to make the play-offs. I just can't see where enough goals and victories are going to come from.
In fairness to Redknapp we have been very unlucky with injuries to Austin, Phillips and Simpson who have all been good signings. Getting Dunne in has also been a good move and Redknapp deserves some credit for getting Barton back to his best. However, Redknapp has failed to sort out our striker problem and has made several very poor signings in BAE, Krancjar, Carroll, Benayoun, Henry, Jenas. These players couldn't give a toss about QPRand it shows in their body language and performances. We still have a large group mercenaries at Loftus Road and we won't move forwards until they and the management team are gone.
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Post by Macmoish on Feb 17, 2014 11:03:12 GMT
Table...We can still do it...
1 Leicester 30 24 67 2 Burnley 31 22 60 3 QPR 30 13 56 4 Derby 30 18 55 5 Nottm Forest 30 20 54 6 Reading 31 14 50 7 Brighton 30 7 46 8 Ipswich 31 9 45 9 Wigan 29 5 43 10 Blackburn 30 2 43 11 Leeds 30 4 42 12 Watford 30 7 41 13 Huddersfield 31 -2 40 14 Middlesbrough 31 5 39 15 Bournemouth 30 -13 36 16 Blackpool 31 -14 35 17 Sheff Wed 29 -1 33 18 Birmingham 31 -3 33 19 Bolton 31 -14 30 20 Doncaster 31 -19 30 21 Millwall 31 -28 28 22 Charlton 28 -15 24 23 Barnsley 29 -20 23 24 Yeovil 29 -21 21
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2014 11:39:53 GMT
What I cannot understand is 1. Seeing so many peoples comments that they do not want promotion as we are not ready for it and would struggle next season.......but then complaining that we are "only" third and need to change managers to get promoted. Make up you minds! 2. The comments about us still spending millions on transfers - how much did we spend in January transfer fees? 3. How much has the wage bill been reduced by getting high earners out and bringing in lower earners who know the Championship?. I do not know and I doubt anyone on this board really knows but they still write about it. 3. Continuing comments about our "striker" problem. The problem is not just the strikers but not having anyone to consistently create good chances. Maybe Ravel will help. And our aging captain is being shown up for bad positioning and poor pace so why not get Onuoha back along side Dunn. That is the partnership that produced so many clean sheets early season 4. The anti Harry campaign for freezing out the wonderful Adel. It takes two to tango and Adel made it very clear in words and actions that he had no intention of playing in the Championship so however much his followers want him back it is not going to happen, and it is not Harry's fault. Even though Adel got kicked out of Fulham he is still telling the Italians that he cannot understand why he did not play more at Fulham because he is so good! Proves he still has not learnt his lesson.
So if Burnley lose 3 in a row and if we win 5 in row it will be interesting to see the posts - maybe it will be keep Harry to make sure we stay down? I for one would prefer to see a local derby with Arsenal than one with Brentford or Orient.
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Post by scubahoop on Feb 17, 2014 11:44:45 GMT
That 10 point gap between us and Brighton is going to be occupying a lot of attention between now and the end of the season I fear!
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Post by scarletpimple on Feb 17, 2014 12:58:08 GMT
To be honest i'am not sure that i want the club to go up this season, another new squad millions would have to be spent and more and likely another truly embarissing one season in the prem, rather we took a little time and build the team around CA MP and co, get rid of most older loans and bring in young talent and encourage some of out talented youth players.
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Post by Jon Doeman on Feb 17, 2014 13:05:38 GMT
Table...We can still do it... 1 Leicester 30 24 67 2 Burnley 31 22 60 3 QPR 30 13 56 4 Derby 30 18 55 5 Nottm Forest 30 20 54 6 Reading 31 14 50 7 Brighton 30 7 46 8 Ipswich 31 9 45 9 Wigan 29 5 43 10 Blackburn 30 2 43 11 Leeds 30 4 42 12 Watford 30 7 41 13 Huddersfield 31 -2 40 14 Middlesbrough 31 5 39 15 Bournemouth 30 -13 36 16 Blackpool 31 -14 35 17 Sheff Wed 29 -1 33 18 Birmingham 31 -3 33 19 Bolton 31 -14 30 20 Doncaster 31 -19 30 21 Millwall 31 -28 28 22 Charlton 28 -15 24 23 Barnsley 29 -20 23 24 Yeovil 29 -21 21 What's this? 4 points off automatic, with a game in hand & a top class loan coming in to kick start our season ? Booooooooooooooooooooooooooo
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Post by scubahoop on Feb 17, 2014 13:35:37 GMT
Yes, but before Christmas, we were top of the League. Now, we're looking at the possibility of finishing 5th, 6th or even lower. Look forward to seeing Morrison in a Rangers shirt, but he's young, relatively untested and it's a lot of eggs in one basket if we're hoping he's going to turn our season around. As people were saying on Twitter yesterday, it's the last throw of the dice for Harry.
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Post by Macmoish on Feb 17, 2014 13:38:36 GMT
I fully agree that we may not make automatic promotion...and we may flop in the playoffs (or at Wembley)...and that Redknapp's signings and performance hasnt been too inspiring.
On the bright side, almost every team has its slump in a season...Hopefully ours has happened; and Burnley's will....
Not Sure we're going up
Not ever that hopeful
But we're still very much in it
And the cons of Axing Redknapp mid-season seem so much greater than the possibility that the new man (Malky maybe - but not many I would want who'd come)
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Post by Macmoish on Feb 17, 2014 14:24:42 GMT
Notice how quiet the Tweeters from Loftus Road are today
Tony meanwhile is off doing his thing (Fighting the Malaysian Government?)
And Amit, last tweets I saw he was partying off somewhere in the USA
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Post by scubahoop on Feb 17, 2014 14:29:56 GMT
I see axing Redknapp now as a win-win. Whoever comes in could certainly do no worse than Redknapp has. The new manager would bring energy, passion, enthusiasm and a welcome kick up the back-side for a lot of our current crop. Proper planning for the future and re-building could begin at once. By keeping Redknapp we are delaying the inevitable until the Summer. Even if Redknapp miraculously does get us up, do you seriously think he can put together a decent Premiership side? It will be 70-80K contracts all round for all his old mates (Scott Parker and the like) and in two years we will be in an even worse position than now with another load of ageing, mercenary, over-paid, has-beens clogging up our squad. We need to start from scratch with a new man at the helm and that might as well happen immediately.
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Post by nomar on Feb 17, 2014 15:03:42 GMT
Do we really want to go down the sacking managers road again?
As I said in previous posts we are a team of flat track bullies. All the teams that can be bullied are coming up on our schedule. The other teams in the top 6 have loads of games against each other still. Its still entirely feasible that we pick up enough points from those games to end up 2nd.
At this stage an auto promotion place would be harsh and unfair on Burnley but life ain't always fair.
Unless these lesser teams grow a spine QPR have enough to scrape 3 pts off most of them without the dear things having to break too much of a sweat.
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Post by scubahoop on Feb 17, 2014 15:23:12 GMT
I wish I had your confidence Nomar. I can see us struggling to pick up many more points, particularly on the road. As for another managerial change, well Redknapp is not getting any younger, he has less than 18 months left on his contract so we're going to need a new manager sooner or later. The board must have considered this already and surely have some replacement targets in mind? We acted too quickly to get rid of Warnock but too slowly with Hughes and now Redknapp. Redknapp was primarily brought in to keep us up and he failed miserably. There is no reason to hang on to him now, he is not the future of QPR and he has done little to lay down foundations for the future. He gives the impression he doesn't really care and this apathy and lack of spark, pervades all areas of the club. I've never known Loftus Road to be so quiet and downbeat and this with a high average crowd of 16,000+.
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Post by jjqpr on Feb 17, 2014 15:23:35 GMT
I don't hate harry and i don't think he should or will be sacked, but he needs to buck his ideas up and get the players to up their games somehow...McClaren seemed to do that but he's gone and Harrys not been able to keep the spirit or belief up...our record breaking defence now looks as vulnerable as the worst in the league. We relied on so many scrappy 1-0 wins but we could do that when out defence looked solid..now it feels like every attack we'll ship a goal. Whatever McClaren was doing is sorely lacking now!
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Post by sharky on Feb 17, 2014 15:53:27 GMT
I don't hate harry and i don't think he should or will be sacked, but he needs to buck his ideas up and get the players to up their games somehow...McClaren seemed to do that but he's gone and Harrys not been able to keep the spirit or belief up...our record breaking defence now looks as vulnerable as the worst in the league. We relied on so many scrappy 1-0 wins but we could do that when out defence looked solid..now it feels like every attack we'll ship a goal. Whatever McClaren was doing is sorely lacking now! So logically if 'Arry goes, I would want McClaren
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Post by scubahoop on Feb 17, 2014 15:59:08 GMT
I don't hate Redknapp either, in fact I have nothing against him personally. I just think his heart's not really in it anymore and he would have been a decent manager for us 10 or 15 years,ago when he was still making a name for himself, but not anymore. The QPR manager's job is one of the best jobs in football. Good salary, wealthy owners, relatively small in number, but loyal and largely forgiving and knowledgeable set of supporters, a ground that can be worth a goal start when it's packed to the rafters, etc. So, why don't we have a manager that seems to appreciate, enjoy or care about these things? Football is mostly about results but it's not only about that. Each club has it's own traditions and culture. Holloway and Warnock both understood that and did well because of it. Neither Hughes nor Redknapp seem to be even aware of it, let alone use it to further the fortunes of our club. That is why the place seems so soulless these days. I thought Redknapp would have brought more charisma, entertainment and excitement to the club. He hasn't brought any of those things, so let's give the job to someone who can and who would be excited about the prospect of managing the club.
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Post by scarletpimple on Feb 17, 2014 16:03:48 GMT
Give arry till the summer then get rid.
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Post by gramps on Feb 17, 2014 16:16:32 GMT
My first choice would be McClaren but that ain't gonna happen. He would be daft to leave what he has now. Malky MacKay would certainly be my option from what is or is likely to be available.
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Post by Macmoish on Feb 17, 2014 17:04:05 GMT
Ah but do you think Fernandes has "Learned" enough to not go for another NAME Manager if and when Redknapp does go?
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Post by kenthoop on Feb 17, 2014 17:44:03 GMT
I am afraid that our club is fast losing its identity ,a lot of the people who were connected with our club have now gone the last being birch who had blue and white blood in his veins and knew the passion and history behind us ,they have been replaced by people who quite frankly do not understand the passion and enthusiasm that the fans have for this great club ,soon another piece of history will be gone with the new club badge and all because fernandes wants it we have another owner who despite what he has been tweeting etc about listening to what us fans have to say ,to me it is the Fernandes way or not at all ,there you go Maud your turn now
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Post by Marc on Feb 17, 2014 17:52:56 GMT
.......soon another piece of history will be gone with the new club badge and all because fernandes wants it...... So, the fans have been going on for the last few years about getting rid of the flavio badge. He decides to do so and you think it's because HE wants it? I don't know about "piece of history" but plenty of Rangers fans would like to see it consigned to history.
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Post by terryb on Feb 17, 2014 18:09:09 GMT
Back to the OP.
I don't HATE Harry. that is much to strong, especially as I've never met him.. I dislike him intensly for leaving nearly all of the clubs he has managed with financial problems, but hate? No.
Who would I like to replace him with in the summer? Sorry, I can't give you an answer at the moment as I don't know who will be available or receptive to joining us.
When Hughes was appointed Karl Robinson would have been my choice & after Southampton dismissed Adkins he moved to the top of my list with Uwe Rossler as a second choice. If I had to give a name (although I can't remember what it is!) the gentleman currently at Coventry would be worth looking at.
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Post by nomar on Feb 17, 2014 18:13:29 GMT
Ah but do you think Fernandes has "Learned" enough to not go for another NAME Manager if and when Redknapp does go? This in a nutshell. He'd want another big name. You can forget the likes of Karl Robinson or Rossler. I even doubt Mackay has enough 'star name' power for Fernandes.
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Post by terryb on Feb 17, 2014 18:18:18 GMT
Ah but do you think Fernandes has "Learned" enough to not go for another NAME Manager if and when Redknapp does go? This in a nutshell. He'd want another big name. You can forget the likes of Karl Robinson or Rossler. I even doubt Mackay has enough 'star name' power for Fernandes. I do fear that you may be right nomar, but the OP asked for names & options that we thought could do the job. Not whether TF would employ them.
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Post by nomar on Feb 17, 2014 18:23:18 GMT
I wish I had your confidence Nomar. I can see us struggling to pick up many more points, particularly on the road. As for another managerial change, well Redknapp is not getting any younger, he has less than 18 months left on his contract so we're going to need a new manager sooner or later. The board must have considered this already and surely have some replacement targets in mind? We acted too quickly to get rid of Warnock but too slowly with Hughes and now Redknapp. Redknapp was primarily brought in to keep us up and he failed miserably. There is no reason to hang on to him now, he is not the future of QPR and he has done little to lay down foundations for the future. He gives the impression he doesn't really care and this apathy and lack of spark, pervades all areas of the club. I've never known Loftus Road to be so quiet and downbeat and this with a high average crowd of 16,000+. QPR have not suddenly become a bad team overnight. They've still beaten Derby and drawn against Burnley. Outplayed Leicester for most of the game and got caught with a sucker punch. Lost to Derby to a fluke header that was never intended to actually be a 'shot' on goal. Perspective is a good thing and its hard to have that after a crushing loss. But the truth is that they should be more than capable of beating most of the teams left on the schedule who, frankly, really aren't very good. If Morrison is up for it he can pretty much destroy most of the rest of the defences we will face on his own. Doyle is more than capable of scoring goals at this level and, defensively, if Harry reverts back to 4-5-1 (and I told people months ago that 4-4-2 would expose the weaknesses in our defence) they'll keep clean sheets again. The top six are there because they are the 6 best teams in this league and QPR fit that description even without Phillips and Austin. Redknapp's probably enjoyed better managerial stints but, lets face it, after what he inherited it's hardly been a picnic for him. One of the most dysfunctional clubs the Prem has ever seen and full of wasters on fat contracts and an owner who appoints a man who knows eff all about football and signs those godawful players to millstone like contracts around the clubs neck. Crumbs, I'd hardly be leaping around singing if I had to come into that every day.....
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Post by scubahoop on Feb 17, 2014 18:34:23 GMT
Good points Nomar but I would certainly come in leaping about everday if I had Redknapp' s job and salary!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2014 19:27:46 GMT
I really DONT hate Rednapp! I am QPR fan through and through that cannot see what the plan is. If the Club weren't spending millions and millions on players salaries or the transfer market I would accept the performances. If the kids had lost 3-1 yesterday and we had learned something new and importantly the players and management had learned something...ok we learn by our mistakes. My issue with Harry and also the Board is that they are NOT learning by their mistakes. How surprising that we can't defend against a mobile attack given the average age of the defenders...we didn't learn anything there. How surprising that we are over run in midfield where Barton misplaces half of his passes and Kranjar doesn't track. How surprising we don;t score more than the opposition when our only scoring forward gets injured and we have a bench full of forwards that are always injury. Where is the planning? There appears to be no grand plan. Forget the name Harry Rednapp and his troop of'what do they do's' that cost this club apparently the best part of £4million a year in salary. I would be calling for any pensionable aged manager to call it day and bring in some young fresh talent. Who is available is one thing...who would come is another. Leicester and Burnley seem to be doing OK with young managers and Spurs are on the up too. They are out there. Would ex players work at QPR? Would a Bircham/Ferdinand ticket with a senior director of football work? The club are building for the future with the academy and the new ground....yet seem to have forgotten we need to have a team that has a legacy that can be built upon and doesn't change 80% of its squad every 12 months. I don't hate Harry, I HATE writing about the garbage that comes out of LR. Why? Because I care, just as you do. We all want our club to succeed but I just don;t think the current management is doing it correctly and I'd like the line to be drawn sooner rather than later so we can plan for the future. Mate I truly hope I'm wrong and somehow Harry turns it around........but for anyone that has seen this side play regularly they know that the performances have at times been shocking. Perhaps I'll forgive Sky for once for showing our games because for those that don;t go every week you can now see pretty typical team performance. I understand where you are coming from marshbowles10, the football we are playing isn't a good watch, but we can still achieve something this season, and no way am i doubting your love for the club i know your rangers through and through, that is a 100 per cent certainty. but i think with the current crop of players they were the only players he could sign who wanted to come, its been proven before that trying to get a team to gel straight off is almost impossible. so for me even though the football isn't the best watch he has done a decent job to get us were we are in the league. Sacking Redknapp now does not make sense, what are we to say to the new young manager, we dont want to go up this season can you just play some youngsters so we finish outside the playoffs, then in the summer do we then say i will give you five years to build a team with a style of play that everyone likes. and dont worry if we have a couple of bad season's whilst rebuilding you wont lose your job no matter how much the fans boo? If this is the future plan what most want, then we must give the new young manager the time he deserves to build the team everyone wants. will you pledge and all the others who want Redknapp out, that if we get the a new young up and coming manager the time, and i mean real time not 6 months, to build this team, will you plegde that if we go on a iffy patch you wont boo and call for his head? If we are to go to a new stadium, like you say we need a team that befits this new stadium, are you patient enough to wait for this team to be put together, because that is what we will all need patience and there isn't any patience at LR these days, everyone thinks we should win every game by a country mile. Even in the prem most thought like that. Time will tell, when we have our new young ambitious manager, i expect you all to give him full support and time, otherwise we will forever be going back to square one, if managers heads are forever called for. looks like flav left a legacy with the clubs fans. fans wanted warnock out, wanted hughes out, want Redknapp out and no doubt will be calling for the new managers head flav stlye after a couple of bad results when he comes in whenever that will be. Who ever he is i feel for him. few bad results he will soon be out, this club is a sacking club, from board to fans, flavs legacy is alive and well. build a team for the future what a joke. no manager will ever be given time to build for the future at QPR with the mindset of the club at present. your all be calling for the new managers head. i know you all will, like i say time will tell, and i shall hold you to this build for the future mantra if you call for the new managers head after a bad patch.
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Post by scubahoop on Feb 17, 2014 19:57:22 GMT
This is more than a 'bad patch' we are going through. The football has been dire all season, but at least we had Austin's goals to keep us on a winning streak. Now, we not only look toothless in front of goal, but we're shipping goals aplenty too. It's also just the sheer lack of imagination with which Redknapp sends the team out with every week and the lack of optimism for the future whether we go up or not. There's a deep malaise at the club. A new manager would be given time by the fans, if they could see progress being made and some more exciting football being played. It has stopped being fun watching QPR, in fact I still enjoy my matchday routine, cafe, meeting up with people, beers, etc., but have actually started to dread the games which have been mostly turgid and dispiriting. The only two decent matches so far this year have been Ipswich away and Burnley at home. The rest, instantly forgettable.
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