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Post by marshbowles10 on Feb 11, 2014 9:25:04 GMT
Whilst I know i face the wrath of this message board, surely the time has come to decide if Harry is the right man for the job.
This is not based upon the knee-jerk reaction of the Derby result, it is the fact that Harry and his merry men seem to have lost the plot. Have no Plan A let alone a Plan B.
Those that have been 'lucky' enough to see games at Loftus Road this season will have at times been bored out of their brains. Whilst as the Sky Sports stats revealed last night we are the team that has the most possession in the entire division yet we are the team that is 12th in scoring. Something isn't right. What is the point of playing 'tippy tappy' football for 30 passes and then giving it back to Green to hoof up the pitch? It is not only mindless, it boringly stupid.
For months, normal fans have been saying we need a striker to go alongside Austin as Zamora and Johnson are liabilities. We wait to the last minute to secure loan signings that haven't made it with their current clubs. Where is the planning? Where is the value in the £3-5 million we are paying Harry and his Hangers On? Given the performance last night, just what do they do?
If I were Tony I'd press the nuclear button right now. We've got enough points so we won't be relegated and start to rebuild with a younger manager with new and refreshing ideas that will nurture young talent and give QPR youngsters a chance to prove themselves.
What is the point of getting promoted with this team?
None of them are good enough for the Premiership no matter how good they believe they are. Why are our players never transferred out in the transfer window? Two answers. 1.The contracts they are on are so good that no one else can afford them. 2.They are not as good as they think they are.
The investment of yet another 11 players would need to happen to stand any chance of not coming straight back down and probably be lumbered with yet another set of contracts we cannot afford.
If we make the decision now at least we have 6 months to plan for the start of the 2014'15 season with hopefully a young management team, a lower average age for defenders (was last night a record defensive average age?) We need players that are QPR players and not on loan, we need players that are enthusiastic and not tired has beens looking for a last pay day.
We need to start again.
Tin hat is on!
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Post by jjqpr on Feb 11, 2014 9:48:58 GMT
Have to agree, I just feel like Harry has lost interest, possibly in football in general. I think Steve McClaren injected some much needed coaching skills earlier in the season that saw us playing well and breaking records, but he left, harry hasnt landed all the signings he wanted, we've had numerous season ending injuries and I think Harry just can't be bothered any more. And that rubs off presumably in training and match days on the players. I hope I'm wrong but he just doesn't seem to have the passion for this.
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Post by Macmoish on Feb 11, 2014 9:53:51 GMT
I don't think Fernandes will do anything yet...Too much at stake/to lose...too much of a gamble...Not at all clear who could come in and boost our chances...And still have a reasonable chance with Redknapp + He I'm sure he likes having a Big name...If this was 30 years ago, I'd imagine we'd have "THE DOC" as manager....
I mean it's not like last year when the obvious choice (Redknapp) was available but wouldn't be much longer.
But at the end of the season, if not up, I can't believe either Redknapp or Fernandes would want another year
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Post by RoryTheRanger on Feb 11, 2014 10:55:03 GMT
I'm starting to agree with this view to be honest. A few weeks ago I would have probably strongly disagreed but after that shambles of a transfer window and yet more stupid team selections I'm getting fed up of having no Plan whatsoever in a team full of oldies.
I said it a while ago that we haven't looked anywhere near the team we were at the start of the season when Schteve was here, we've looked far worse since he left.
I just really don't understand what Harry is doing with this team, what he's actually trying to achieve by changing the team every week and playing a midfield full of players who aren't creative in the slightest. No point in playing two strikers if none of the players behind them can give them service.
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Post by alfaranger on Feb 11, 2014 11:16:37 GMT
Whilst I know i face the wrath of this message board, surely the time has come to decide if Harry is the right man for the job. This is not based upon the knee-jerk reaction of the Derby result, it is the fact that Harry and his merry men seem to have lost the plot. Have no Plan A let alone a Plan B. Those that have been 'lucky' enough to see games at Loftus Road this season will have at times been bored out of their brains. Whilst as the Sky Sports stats revealed last night we are the team that has the most possession in the entire division yet we are the team that is 12th in scoring. Something isn't right. What is the point of playing 'tippy tappy' football for 30 passes and then giving it back to Green to hoof up the pitch? It is not only mindless, it boringly stupid. For months, normal fans have been saying we need a striker to go alongside Austin as Zamora and Johnson are liabilities. We wait to the last minute to secure loan signings that haven't made it with their current clubs. Where is the planning? Where is the value in the £3-5 million we are paying Harry and his Hangers On? Given the performance last night, just what do they do? If I were Tony I'd press the nuclear button right now. We've got enough points so we won't be relegated and start to rebuild with a younger manager with new and refreshing ideas that will nurture young talent and give QPR youngsters a chance to prove themselves. What is the point of getting promoted with this team? None of them are good enough for the Premiership no matter how good they believe they are. Why are our players never transferred out in the transfer window? Two answers. 1.The contracts they are on are so good that no one else can afford them. 2.They are not as good as they think they are. The investment of yet another 11 players would need to happen to stand any chance of not coming straight back down and probably be lumbered with yet another set of contracts we cannot afford. If we make the decision now at least we have 6 months to plan for the start of the 2014'15 season with hopefully a young management team, a lower average age for defenders (was last night a record defensive average age?) We need players that are QPR players and not on loan, we need players that are enthusiastic and not tired has beens looking for a last pay day. We need to start again. Tin hat is on! I don't think you face 'wrath' marsh, but by posting on a messageboard you invite comment - that's what it's for. Sometimes you get a lot of agreement, sometimes not. I doesn't matter though because it's all up for debate. In a post such as this where there are a lot of points posters will agree with some, maybe all of them, maybe they won't. I think we were all anxious about last night before the game and our mood hasn't been improved by the result. What I will say to start though is that out of the last six league games we've won four, drawn one and lost one - and there's a Harry Out thread started. Would he have been safe from our ire if he had of drawn two instead of lost one or does it have to be six played and six won before we don't call for his head. I don't know what you mean by 'normal' fans when you say, "For months, normal fans have been saying we need another striker....". I think both normal and abnormal fans have been in agreement there, even Harry has been saying that we need another striker because if Charlie's injured we're stuck, indicating that he had no particular faith in Johnson or Zamora (no one is going to take them, they'll be on their salaries until their contracts expire). I can't speak for forward planning as I'm not privy to the internal goings on but my preference would be that there would have been some thought given to the problem before the evening of December 31st - I might be wrong. We've got people that haven't made it with other clubs because if they had made it they wouldn't be released on loan. The biggest signing in the window was Mata at 35m, but he wasn't prised away against the clubs agreement, they didn't particularly want him. The last two time TF pressed the button we were near the bottom, the last time we were without a win, not four wins and a draw in six. What is the point in getting promoted with this team? Well I agree, I fear we will be humiliated and drop again (I hope not). However, I don't think the current team is the one that Harry is shaping for a tilt at the prem if we get there. There are a lot of loanees and I think they're here for this job only, to get us back into the prem, then I think he'll change it. Loans back to their clubs at no cost, some of the others will be out of contract and to bring in your next point as well, it's not Harry's fault that our squad is full up with Hughes' signings and we cant get rid of them. He has tried wouldn't you agree, considering all those out on loan and wasters like Bosingwa 'eased' out. There are some sticking but I bet that Harry is as frustrated as we all are that they (e.g. Cesar) are still coining it at the expense of players that we could have if they weren't here. Yes we may well need 11 new players to replace the loanees going back, our loans moving on (one hopes) and those that just won't hack it in the prem regardless of the size of their heart e.g. Clint Hill (sorry Clint). If we don't do that then we'll still have the very players we have been complaining about for the last year or so. What should we do? Keep them or get rid of them? HOPEFULLY the contracts we will be lumbered with then will be replacements of the players we don't want for players we do want. Average age of defenders. I don't expect that Simpsons injury would have had Harry rubbing his hands together, glad that we could get someone old in. I think he'd rather play a young Simpson than an old Hughes. That said, Hughes looked ok last night, saved a goal, very solid. Won't hack it in the prem but may get us there. We all want QPR players in the dressing room, 'the right sort' - now who said he wanted that? Just as an aside. As I'm typing this I've looked up to see that it's a f*ck*ng blizzard outside - complete white out - schools out!
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Post by kerrins on Feb 11, 2014 11:25:28 GMT
Very good comment MarshBowles10 Difficult to argue against any of that...although of course we must still remain as positive as we can regarding automatic promotion My view about Harry for what its worth is that he will leave the club if we fail to get promoted....because lets face it at the start of the season everyone's expectations were sky high especially so the Board of directors I bet! We are though I'm sure "bankers " for the play offs whatever happens although in a lot of quarters that would still be regarded as some sort of failure. Could it be that we will get promoted by winning every play off match via a penalty shoot out?
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Post by Jon Doeman on Feb 11, 2014 11:29:37 GMT
"What is the point of getting promoted with this team? "
Money.
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Post by alfaranger on Feb 11, 2014 11:32:32 GMT
"What is the point of getting promoted with this team? " Money. You're such a cynic Jon - they all do it because they love QPR. I've seen them kiss the badge and I believe them.
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Post by steveb66 on Feb 11, 2014 11:51:06 GMT
I cannot see TF sacking the manager of a team that is joint third in the division and has a W4 D1 L1 record in the last six.
I accept in a number of the big games we have under performed and that HR seems to find himself forced in to making changes in both formation and players at HT in more games than not (which does suggest he still hasnt got this group to click or that he picks the wrong starting lineup?).....but yet another change of manager with 12 weeks to go isnt going to help with stability/morale.
In his defence, he has had to completely overhaul the squad and has then had injuries to four key players at a critical time in the season. January was always going to be tough to bring in a Charlie Austin replacement, particularly with Premiership teams also in the hunt for strikers.
Stick with HR until the end of the season and see where we are then. I think he will make the decision himself as, for me, he hasnt really looked happy in the job since he took over.
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Post by Macmoish on Feb 11, 2014 12:23:30 GMT
Who's the Magic Manager out there who will take this team and this season turn it into promotion winners (with a better chance than Redknapp)?
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Post by alfaranger on Feb 11, 2014 12:30:03 GMT
Who's the Magic Manager out there who will take this team and this season turn it into promotion winners (with a better chance than Redknapp)? Steve Keane and Paul Ince are free!
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Post by Macmoish on Feb 11, 2014 12:41:43 GMT
I'm serious. I'm not wedded/have loyalty to Redknapp.
I just don't see who the man who will do it.
Redknapp may not. But he just might end up doing it.
I would NOT take Warnock back...
Holloway's elsewhere, plus not so sure re hm either.
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Post by RoryTheRanger on Feb 11, 2014 12:53:26 GMT
Malky Mackay is available, young manager who did very well to get Cardiff up and does actually use youth.
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Post by wrenboy61 on Feb 11, 2014 13:01:06 GMT
For me we stick with Harry. I'm not one of those who thinks he walks on water and I agree the football at Loftus Road has been very difficult to watch this season only a couple of games have been exciting but most boring. I think it would be suicide to change the manager with only 3 months of the season to go when we're sitting in 3rd place and still have a very good chance of going up and to also take the gamble that a new manager might work not guaranteed and I definitely don't want to go down the line of changing the manager every few months like before. The transfer window was disappointing especially all the loans again but I think as a club we are in a transition period where we are showing agents and players that we will not pay the stupid wages from the past any longer and I think that is why we missed out on some of our targets. If I'm right and that is the case then I'm happy to have another season in the Championship because although as I said earlier the footballs not great I wouldn't want that feeling that I had last season that as a club we were mugged off by players and agents. One good thing about the loans are that if they turn out to be rubbish and not putting it in at least we've only got them till the end of the season.
For those of you who are able to go to games I believe we need to get behind the players and the manager to give them all the support we can. Lets not turn on ourselves and shoot ourselves in the foot we've done that enough in the past.
Good post Marshbowles10 everything should be up for debate!!!!
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Post by Bushman on Feb 11, 2014 13:17:25 GMT
A long way to go yet, and all to play for.
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Post by corndog on Feb 11, 2014 16:46:12 GMT
For now, we have to stick with Harry, as others have said, if not promoted I think he walks. Now is not the time to get a new manager. It would still be Harry's players on the pitch. The good news is promoted or not, only a few of the players will still be on contract and I would keep most of them. At least the board did one good thing and only signed a couple of quality players to long term contracts(Austin, Phillips and Danny Simpson), most of the other signings this season were either on loan or just until the end of this season. To me that says they will give Harry what he wants for now, but won't handicap the future for him. It also makes me believe TF will stick around, as he seems to have become more responsible and didn't handicap us with large contracts going forward. Why would he care if players are still getting paid four years from now if he wasn't here?
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Post by RoryTheRanger on Feb 11, 2014 16:54:48 GMT
I don't think Harry should be sacked, but I certainly wouldn't be gutted if he was..
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Post by terryb on Feb 11, 2014 17:38:35 GMT
I am most definitely in the "anti Harry" camp. I didn't want him appointed as manager when he arrived. I didn't want him kept on last summer & I certainly don't want him as manager next season. In fact, my views on him are similar to maude's views on TF!
BUT, to dismiss him at this point of the season would be a very strange action on the part of our board & I fail to see what it could achieve.
Whoever is in charge for next season will need to make wholesale changes so hopefully the club will make a decision early in the summer.
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Post by gramps on Feb 11, 2014 17:46:23 GMT
I think that if we are not promoted, that decision will be made within a week or so of us knowing that we are not going up. I also think that the decision will come from HR rather than the board. I get the distinct impression that he is not happy he is not allowed a free hand by the board.
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Post by Macmoish on Feb 11, 2014 17:53:59 GMT
Add also that we don't want (or would like to get rid of us) the reputation for super-fast firings... Redknapp leaving in the Summer would be far more rational. AND We do have a reasonable chance of promotion still, this season
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Post by bradfieldhoop on Feb 11, 2014 18:00:20 GMT
Whist I am not blaming HR /KB/JJ for some of the very poor individual performances that are becoming all too regular or the injuries I am becoming increasingly concerned about what we all believed was one of his (if not his only) strengths--Motivation/Player management. It is clear to me the three of them do very little opposition analysis (home or away) as every game appears to be based on not conceding first and hopefully putting away one of the few chances we create--hardly original. We have to thank last night's victorious manager for organising our defensive 5 or 6 players when he was with us so all HR has to do is what he is renowned for--boosting the players,telling them they are all world beaters and getting them to put a shift in. So how come we seem to start every game (Burnley excepted) with as much passion and urgency as a hungover sloth! It's only because the standard of opposition in this league is actually so much poorer than managers would have us believe that we have the lofty position we find ourselves in and God bless him Charlie Austin. Why aren't we coming out and ripping into teams and putting away matches as early as possible--what is being said in the dressing room? Why aren't the players coming out pumped and up for it? Surely HR can at least get that bit right because I am not sure there is a tactical brain cell between the three of them.How much longer is it going to take him to realise the young spurs loanee is not the answer creatively or defensively,Kranjer needs to play in the middle and O Neil is ineffective anywhere--I think last night showed that clearly as Kranjer sulked his way through the match out wide,O Neil added little to nothing and our England U 21 loanee was invisible--get some balance with Traore one side and Hoilett/SWP the other and give the opposition the problems.
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Post by spanishal on Feb 11, 2014 20:58:45 GMT
Yes good debate this. Stay or go, I for one,appreciate what he has done here, turned an utter shambles of a team into a half decent one. However half decent is as good as it gets and promotion might be good for the money men and Harry's self-esteem but would do the club no favours at all.
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Post by eusebio13 on Feb 11, 2014 21:10:40 GMT
Teams 3rd, we've lost our best striker, winger and only rightback. I don't think Harry is god's gift and he aint long term but replacing managers inevitably causes more cost, less stability and should be used much more sparingly than we've gotten used to.
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Post by Hogan on Feb 11, 2014 21:50:05 GMT
Teams 3rd, we've lost our best striker, winger and only rightback. I don't think Harry is god's gift and he aint long term but replacing managers inevitably causes more cost, less stability and should be used much more sparingly than we've gotten used to. This!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2014 22:38:54 GMT
Really good thread this, nice one marshbowles10(i reckon you should change your name to the modfather ), but anyway, for me this club is already a laughing stock up and down the country, our reputation for sacking managers is strong, ask yourself the question would Malky Mackay or another good young manager who has a good reputation want to come to a club who have just sacked a manager for being 3rd in the championship, considering our reputation they would probably wait for a club they feel is more stable and likely to stick by them after a rocky spell. And talking rocky spells i hardly call losing our first league game since boxing day a reason to sack the manager, if we had a rocky spell were we aint won since before Christmas then i would say questions are rightly asked. i agree the football can be stale at times and its about time we played with wide players instead of the shambles we had yesterday of four central midfielders, but i still think Harry as done a good job considering many feared league one come August 2014, and even though the football does not get the blood pumping a lot of the time i have seen a lot worse down Loftus road. We cant blame the current manager for mistakes of the past. he was given a job by the board to assemble a team with the aim of straight promotion, we can still achieve this, and if we do then its up to the board to sign the right players and give them the right contracts with 50 to 75% pay cuts if we get relegated, thats a mistake from the past that the board need to correct not Harry. the team we have now we have for a reason, they are the players we could attract to the club, we cant attract big names and anyway look what happened last time when we did sigh these so called big names. Basically Harry as taken a shambolic football club and turned them in to a steady ship, he knew we knew, that we needed more fire power, but its out of his hands he cant make players sign for us, he gives the board a list of targets then its down to them to secure those deals, the fact they didn't tells me players dont want to come to the club, sacking him would be a joke now, and we must get behind the team even if you dont like Harry, he does not play so giving him stick will transmit down to the players, its self defeating to call now for the managers head and start booing the team, if you do do that, all i will say is be careful what you wish for.
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Post by nomar on Feb 11, 2014 22:43:00 GMT
I can't see Reknapp going anywhere to be honest with you.
He's on a tidy wedge so no need for him to give that up by walking out. Plus he's exactly the high profile manager TF craves.
A few wins against the lesser teams coming up on our schedule and QPR going back in the top 2 in March and all this will be forgotten. There is still so much football to be played and anything can yet happen. Who knows what injuries are going to strike next and which team will suffer them?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2014 23:34:25 GMT
Makes i laugh all this bollox threads.
I'm beginning to think that our shit past has ingrained into the brains of our supporters that it is normal to demand better than we have even though they dont know what that is.
Next.
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Post by Macmoish on Feb 12, 2014 9:21:10 GMT
Maudes for the Defense We have a hodge-podge of players... So which players have been improved by the QPR Coaching staff this season? And which youngsters have been given a chance? And if we don't go up this season, how have the roots been laid for next season?
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Post by jjqpr on Feb 12, 2014 10:05:47 GMT
Makes i laugh all this bollox threads. I'm beginning to think that our shite past has ingrained into the brains of our supporters that it is normal to demand better than we have even though they dont know what that is. Next. Come on mate how's it any different to TF bashing or claiming the death of our club dramas?
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Post by Jon Doeman on Feb 12, 2014 11:00:05 GMT
Just about the only club down there that didn't blink!
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