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Post by Bushman on Jan 2, 2014 19:43:32 GMT
 Played at White City Stadium. Friday 5th April 1912. Report from the Western Times Saturday 6th April 1912. See More on the 1911-12 season Click Here! |
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Post by cpr on Jan 3, 2014 5:41:02 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2014 10:00:46 GMT
players earning peanuts and 62,000 to watch the game
where did it all go wrong
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Post by Macmoish on Jan 3, 2014 10:03:02 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2014 14:07:38 GMT
two world wars
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Post by Lonegunmen on Jan 3, 2014 14:13:36 GMT
And tickets weren't 50+ quid.
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Post by Macmoish on Jan 3, 2014 14:41:50 GMT
Yeah. But would be interesting to compare ticket prices to wages then and now.
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Post by scarletpimple on Jan 3, 2014 16:00:43 GMT
Erm if we had a 62000 home gate, why is our home record crowd quoted as 42000 at the white city stadium in the thirties, or am i reading this wrongly.  |
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Post by Bushman on Jan 3, 2014 16:07:30 GMT
Erm if we had a 62000 home gate, why is our home record crowd quoted as 42000 at the white city stadium in the thirties, or am i reading this wrongly. Several newspapers from then quote the 62,000 home gate. I have always had that game down as 26,000. Obviously a typo by one reporter and the rest followed, Scarlet |
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Post by terryb on Jan 3, 2014 17:54:55 GMT
That makes sense.
62k for a Southern League game would have been quite exceptional for us, even if the Saints were a top draw in those days.
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Post by scarletpimple on Jan 3, 2014 18:51:22 GMT
Erm if we had a 62000 home gate, why is our home record crowd quoted as 42000 at the white city stadium in the thirties, or am i reading this wrongly. Several newspapers from then quote the 62,000 home gate. I have always had that game down as 26,000. Obviously a typo by one reporter and the rest followed, Scarlet Bush any idea what the record gate was for southern league game , even 26k must be close. |
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Post by gramps on Jan 3, 2014 19:37:47 GMT
I am pretty darn positive that my granddad would have been at that game but I am afraid I can't ask him. If he was still alive he would now be 135 and I think his memory would be failing him a bit! |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2014 22:56:51 GMT
Several newspapers from then quote the 62,000 home gate. I have always had that game down as 26,000. Obviously a typo by one reporter and the rest followed, Scarlet Bush any idea what the record gate was for southern league game , even 26k must be close. If you dont mind i had a little look to see if i could answer that question, what i found was on Christmas day 1907 we played Plymouth at home and a gate of 29,786 was recorded, hope bman and your good self didnt mind me having a go at answering. |
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Post by Bushman on Jan 3, 2014 23:52:28 GMT
Bush any idea what the record gate was for southern league game , even 26k must be close. If you dont mind i had a little look to see if i could answer that question, what i found was on Christmas day 1907 we played Plymouth at home and a gate of 29,786 was recorded, hope bman and your good self didnt mind me having a go at answering. Not a problem mate. Thanks for joining in.  The 0-0 with Plymouth did indeeed draw a gate of 29,786. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2014 0:23:32 GMT
If you dont mind i had a little look to see if i could answer that question, what i found was on Christmas day 1907 we played Plymouth at home and a gate of 29,786 was recorded, hope bman and your good self didnt mind me having a go at answering. Not a problem mate. Thanks for joining in. The 0-0 with Plymouth did indeeed draw a gate of 29,786. Many thanks bman I also saw that on boxing day we played West Ham as well, imagine the uproar now if teams were told to play on Christmas day and boxing day. |
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Post by scarletpimple on Jan 4, 2014 0:32:54 GMT
Amazing crowds for s league games......then again don't suppose people had as much going on as there is now, plus more money and better living standards now = more dosh more outlets less go to football.
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Post by ingham on Jan 4, 2014 12:31:41 GMT
I seem to remember them doing that when I was young. We've talked about this, haven't we, Bushman. Fulham scoring 10, was it? But was that over a bank holiday?
Oldham played Tranmere in a double-header on Xmas Day/Boxing Day with Oldham hammering in 4 goals in each game, winning the first 4-1 at home, while Bell, the Tranmere striker, took a while to find his rhythm, even missing a penalty in the 'return' game, before he found his form and scored 3 hat-tricks (himself!) to keep his place in the team, and help Tranmere to a 13-4 win.
What EXACTLY does a manager say after that? Clough would have praised them for that one, and given them a bollocking for the 4-1 victory, on the basis, I suppose, that if you just lost 13-4, you probably guessed it wasn't your best performance, and are pretty fed up already.
I'm sure that 62,000 must have been 26,000. New stadium devotees might point to that and the 42,000 years later, but what is significant is all the ones that weren't.
Wonder if West Ham will play to a full house in the Olympic Stadium? Or will year in and year out of relative mediocrity leave only the diehards? Hard to see why even the biggest Clubs' grounds weren't full in the days of terraces and relatively few seats if 'build it big and they will come' actually worked? Huddersfield had a huge ground, but I bet it was rarely even half full. Stamford Bridge was never full in the 1950s or 1960s despite its vast size, except for the biggest matches (usually attracted by the opposition) or when the Club was doing exceptionally well.
Same at Arsenal, as my gooner friend is quick to point out. Home to Coventry meant 35,000, not 65,000.
The logic is generally flawed. If it is as easy as that, no ground would be big enough. Any potential rival would simply build one that is much bigger. Even a tiny Club could go straight to the top by building a vast structure, and watching the supporters, the money and the trophies come pouring in.
That is why Arsenal's new ground is so interesting. Why so SMALL? If it generates so much money - they go on and on about the revenue from it all the time - then 100,000 would put them in a class of their own.
But we know why they didn't. They don't have the support.
Nor did they have Ferguson. Even now, they're clinging on at the top, despite having a bigger ground than all the others except United, whose 76,000 advantage is now leaving them struggling to say in the top half, let alone effortlessly alone on their own peak.
Having so many rivals marginalises the advantage a given Club can gain over the others. It may be far superior to this Club or that Club, but it is hard to outperform them all often enough to make it worthwhile.
Look at Chelsea. RA has never made his team as dominant as his spending. And no sooner did Arsenal fade as a rival - United were untouchable by Chelsea as long as AF was there - than Man City turned up, pulling the same trick. If another 'United' emerges for the next decade, Chelsea will find themselves squeezed out again. And if they become dominant, where is the advantage of United's or Arsenal's much bigger grounds?
Even Ferguson's achievement is questionable, come to that. If he had done it at Bolton or Derby, that would be another matter. But United raises the question of whether he was in the same class as Chapman or Revie, Ramsey or Clough.
Still less Mr Beard. Some people ARE in a class of their own. Whatever planet they come from.
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Post by terryb on Jan 4, 2014 15:03:29 GMT
Boxing Day 1963?
Fulham scored ten at home to Ipswich while Blackburn won 8-2 at West Ham.
I think both sides lost the return match two days later! No new years day games then unless it fell on a saturday.
You played the same side at Christmas & Easter at those times with another match sandwiched in on easter saturday.
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Post by Macmoish on Jan 4, 2014 15:23:49 GMT
See how soft football has become...
If in the old days of bus and train, they could play home and away over consecutive days, could easily do so now, with jet travel...
Ah this generation: Just woosies!
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Post by Macmoish on Sept 23, 2014 7:58:52 GMT
Bump Erm if we had a 62000 home gate, why is our home record crowd quoted as 42000 at the white city stadium in the thirties, or am i reading this wrongly. Several newspapers from then quote the 62,000 home gate. I have always had that game down as 26,000. Obviously a typo by one reporter and the rest followed, Scarlet Bump: or 26,000 |
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