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Post by Lonegunmen on May 30, 2013 10:30:52 GMT
Instead of Hoilett, let him stake SWP with him to Stoke. I kinda feel for their fans. We might be seeing them in the Championship.
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Post by Bushman on May 30, 2013 10:35:08 GMT
Stokes training ground appears to be a shed..... Not too shabby inside
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2013 10:40:12 GMT
Looking forward to lots of this on deadline days..... Mind you having spent a fair bit of time in Stoke there isn't really very much to do for the other 363 days unless the National Guard are in town....
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Post by sharky on May 30, 2013 10:54:36 GMT
See you in the Championship next year Stoke!
God help them, they'll need it!!
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Post by nomar on May 30, 2013 12:19:52 GMT
Peter Coates clearly has more sense than some on here and other QPR boards.
As he says, you look at a person's whole body of work not just one aspect of it. Overall Hughes has done well wherever he's been. His tenure here was a failure but that happens to most managers at some point in their careers, no matter how good they are.
Club owners like Coates realize that a lot of elements have to be in sync for a manager and club to work and where one person might succeed another person in the same environment will fail.
We also know that Hughes joined a pretty dysfunctional club here that was already showing signs of its inevitable fall out of the Premier League.
Hughes, rightly, has to take his share of the blame for a truly horrendous season and although the players have to stand up and take their sizeable share of responsibility for the utterly p*ss poor crap that was served up in the name of Premier League Football last season Hughes played a significant part in that.
But he has moved on now and we have too. There is no reason why Hughes can't get it right at Stoke. Just a shame it never worked out here but that's the way it goes sometimes.
Time to let the Hughes hate go now and channel that energy into trying to get some positive vibes floating around Loftus Road in time for next season.
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Post by Macmoish on May 30, 2013 12:21:37 GMT
Look in some ways don't disagree: Hughes proved himself at Blackburn and Fulham...even Man City...
He did screw up at QPR and left us bunch terrible players...
But as I've posted/tweeted, I think he'll do ok at Stoke...
But I am unhappy with how he did here.
And I certainly do not absolve Fernandes and his colleagues either
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Post by sharky on May 30, 2013 12:34:42 GMT
Hughes choose a group of players who had the potential to be a mid table team. He let poor team spirit/cohesion turn into a terrible dysfuntional situation. No one else. He was the manager and did a terrible, no a spectacularly terrible job.
To be frank, he let the players do what they wanted to without a consequence. If that makes a good manager, then so be it. In my opinion he's a totally useless manager.
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Post by Macmoish on May 30, 2013 12:41:13 GMT
And that's what so hard to understand: If this had been his first managerial job; or if he'd been a player/player manager here, could understand losing control. But not given who he was.
It's not so much bitterness or hatred: It's just total not understanding HOW and WHY things went so wrong at QPR with Hughes
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Post by sharky on May 30, 2013 14:10:14 GMT
From the BBC
Mark Hughes at Stoke: QPR criticism will motivate me
Mark Hughes says criticism of his time at QPR will help motivate him to ensure he is a success as Stoke manager.
The Welshman, 49, has signed a three-year contract at Stoke just six months after being sacked by Rangers.
He endured a difficult 11-month spell at Loftus Road, winning only eight of 34 games in charge.
"I have listened to what people have said about my managerial ability and I can assure you I will use that as a motivation," he said.
Mark Hughes's managerial career Appointed part-time Wales manager in 1999 Named Blackburn manager in 2004 Took charge at Manchester City in 2008 but sacked after 18 months in December 2009 Led Fulham to eighth place in Premier League in 2010-11 before resigning. Appointed QPR boss in January 2012 but sacked in November. Named Stoke manager in May 2013.
"I've had something like 270 games as a Premier League manager, but people do tend to look at the last year or so.
"But I don't regret moving to QPR. A lot of managers have gone in there and found it difficult."
Hughes signed a dozen players last summer but failed to win any of his opening 12 league games of the season and was sacked in November.
Harry Redknapp took over but was unable to keep QPR in the Premier League.
Hughes conceded the London club had tried to do too much too soon and said he was aiming for steady progress at Stoke. "If I am honest, we all tried to run there before we could walk," he said. "That was the mistake that we made. I made mistakes I will learn from." Hughes, who will be joined at Stoke by coaches Mark Bowen and Eddie Niedzwiecki, said he expects the stable environment at the Staffordshire club - owned by Peter Coates for the last eight years - will prevent a repeat of the errors made at Loftus Road. He said: "There is solid ownership at the club and you need that behind you to give yourself an opportunity to be successful." The former Manchester United, Barcelona, Bayern Munich and Chelsea striker aims to add an attacking edge to a Stoke team that only scored 34 goals in 38 Premier League games last season. "It's not a case of wiping away all the hard work that's been put in place in previous seasons. That would be crazy," said Hughes.
A Stoke City fan stages his own demonstration against Mark Hughes' appointment "But I would like to think I can make them a bit more offensive and maybe that's where the club hasn't helped itself in the past by not scoring enough goals." Coates wants Hughes to promote players from the club's academy as well as bring in new talent. Previous manager Tony Pulis had paid large fees for players with little sell-on value, including the £10m signing of Peter Crouch, then 30, from Spurs in 2011 on a four-year deal. "We want to have a sustainable model," said Coates. "We can do that and still provide funds for the manager." The appointment of Hughes was met with a lukewarm reception by Stoke supporters, with one fan protesting by putting a placard on the back of his van calling for Hughes to go - even before he was confirmed as manager. Bryan Shaw, chairman of Stoke City's Supporters Club, said: "If you ask the majority of Stoke supporters, Mark Hughes would not be their first choice. That said, whoever the chairman appoints we have to get behind. We just have to hope he proves us wrong."
Hughes, who has also managed Wales, Blackburn, Manchester City and Fulham, takes over from Pulis, who left the club on 21 May after seven years in charge. Pulis took Stoke to the 2011 FA Cup final, where they were beaten by Manchester City, earning them a place in the Europa League. Stoke finished 13th in the Premier League last season.
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Post by simonr on May 30, 2013 16:24:30 GMT
And that's what so hard to understand: If this had been his first managerial job; or if he'd been a player/player manager here, could understand losing control. But not given who he was. It's not so much bitterness or hatred: It's just total not understanding HOW and WHY things went so wrong at QPR with Hughes That is the question that bothers me; how could it all have gone so horribly t*ts up? In any other situation there would be an inquest and lessons learned but in football generally and at QPR especially, people are rewarded for failure and the money just keeps sloshing around.
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Post by terryb on May 30, 2013 17:03:59 GMT
I assume that he will now be off our payrole or are we still liable for compensation?
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Post by nomar on May 30, 2013 17:06:19 GMT
Hughes choose a group of players who had the potential to be a mid table team. He let poor team spirit/cohesion turn into a terrible dysfuntional situation. No one else. He was the manager and did a terrible, no a spectacularly terrible job. To be frank, he let the players do what they wanted to without a consequence. If that makes a good manager, then so be it. In my opinion he's a totally useless manager. And how many managers have been successful over the last 6 or 7 years at QPR? They can't all be totally crap can they. Clearly, something is wrong at the club when pretty much every manager selected produces the same sad result. The exception was Warnock for one glorious season before that too reverted back to type. At some point you need to look deeper than just blaming the last incumbent and analyze what exactly is going on behind the scenes that is causing this to keep happening. The idea that all of this was merely Hughes fault is so ridiculous when you stop and think about it logically, yet that is what most QPR fans want to believe because it provides a quick and easy scapegoat. Instead of villifying Hughes we should be looking at why he failed and how we put that right behind the scenes so that it doesn't happen again with another completely different manager who ends up in the same boat as Hughes. Hughes hit the nail on the head when he said it has been a hard place for managers to go to and work. There's a massive clue there if you really want to look for answers.
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Post by corndog on May 30, 2013 17:07:45 GMT
I can't believe he's already back in the Premier League, so many better managers available. Regardless of his resume before QPR, I really expected that he would have to prove himself again in the Championship at the very least or go outside of England for a job. The man must give a great interview.
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Post by manta on May 30, 2013 23:52:52 GMT
Words fail me. How this man can stay the top after failure is beyond me.
I feel sorry for Stoke fans.
Remember this is the man who said after we escaped relegation the season before, "we will never be in this position (relegation) again". Oh how we can laugh. With a full summer to bring in and train players he was sacked with no wins and leaving us the record for the worst start of any Premiership club.
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Post by Macmoish on May 31, 2013 6:43:59 GMT
GUARDIAN Mark Hughes urges Stoke fans: 'Don't judge me on QPR fiasco' • 'My intention is to repair my reputation,' says new manager • Stoke chairman calls Hughes's time at QPR a 'blip' on record Paul Wilson Mark Hughes walked into Stoke City on Thursday with a sideswipe at Queens Park Rangers for the blot left on his managerial CV and claimed that working at a stable, well-run club will help restore his sanity. "I am an experienced Premier League manager and, with all the changes that have been going on, there aren't many with as much experience as me," the former Blackburn Rovers, Manchester City, Fulham and QPR manager said. "At two of my last three clubs the ownership changed shortly after I arrived and I don't want to go through that process again, it's not easy. "So one of the first questions I asked of the Coates family at Stoke was: 'Are you going to stick around?' They said yes and that's a real attraction for me. The stability of the club and the people I know who are involved are reassuring. I work best under those circumstances. My intention, for my own sanity, is to repair my reputation at Stoke City and stay here for as long as I can." The 49-year-old former Manchester United striker is aware he will have to win over a section of his new public first – some Stoke supporters made their dissatisfaction known when Hughes' name began to be linked with the position left vacant by Tony Pulis – but is confident he can achieve the sort of results to change their minds. "I can understand it if some fans are set against me; for the last six months they have been told that my ability as a manager is in question," he said. "When you lose a job in the circumstances in which I left QPR there is always a worry you might not get another chance but I have always had faith in my ability to manage at this level. I have been in charge of around 280 Premier League games. I know what it's about. "I understand it if people want to judge me on the last 12 at QPR because that's the recent thing but thankfully the people in charge of Stoke looked beyond that and deemed me the right fit. They made the decision that I was the best guy for their club and the supporters can take comfort, like I do, from the fact they didn't go down the populist route or pick someone who is fashionable or in vogue. They did the due diligence and actually looked at my record as a Premier League manager, spoke to people I have worked with, and I am grateful for that," the former Manchester United striker said. "Now I have what I wanted, the opportunity to work hard and show that what people said about me when I left QPR was incorrect. Once the fans understand we are all working with the same aims, to move the club forward on all levels, I think they will get behind what we are trying to achieve. But initially we have to win matches. It's very simple. That's the nature of the business." Winning matches proved far from simple at QPR, where Hughes admits he made mistakes, though points out that the problems Harry Redknapp identified when the club was relegated last month were in evidence when he first walked into Loftus Road. "A lot of the things Harry has said have resonance with me; I faced the same problems too," he said. "There was disaffection within the dressing room which was very difficult to sort out.
"With hindsight it was probably a mistake leaving Fulham in the first place, though I didn't feel I wanted to tie myself to the club for another three years. It seemed to be pitched that a lot of the problems at QPR came about as a consequence of what I did last summer but I didn't feel the squad was strong enough to stay in the Premier League and so I had to try to strengthen it. Mark Hughes Stoke City Mark Hughes, 49, will take over at Stoke City after spells at Blackburn Rovers, Manchester City, Fulham and Queens Park Rangers. Photograph: Andrew Yates/AFP/Getty Images
"Players were brought in but to have a really strong club it's not just about the team on the field but the team off it and everything else that goes into it. If you don't have strong pillars underpinning what you do it is very difficult to be successful. QPR did really well to stay in the Premier League in the first season, though that seems to have been airbrushed out of history now. I think maybe one of the failings was the lack of a collective, winning mentality. You can bring in players from top clubs but you still have to form a team that knows how to win Premier League matches, which is really difficult. Stoke have that already. That's why I am really pleased to be here. This is a strong squad in every sense. This is a group that is used to being in the Premier League, they have the mentality and the knowhow to win games, without a shadow of a doubt."Peter Coates, the Stoke chairman, described the QPR experience as a "blip" on his new manager's career, but one he was willing to overlook in offering a three-year contract. "He's been pretty successful everywhere else," Coates said. "You possibly have to look at the experience of the people behind QPR. After all, three pretty solid managers worked at the club in the past two seasons and they all found it difficult." Coates was able to confirm that Kia Joorabchian, the agent who loomed large over Hughes' time at Manchester City, was never involved in negotiations, and neither is he expected to be. "His name has never been mentioned, he has had no dealings with the transaction," Coates said. "We don't see him being an issue for this club." www.guardian.co.uk/football/2013/may/30/mark-hughes-stoke-city-qpr
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Post by simonr on May 31, 2013 7:28:59 GMT
I'm sorry, but isn't instilling 'a winning mentality' and stopping 'dressing room unrest' the manager's job. They are paid their massive wages partially to carry the can for their team's failure. To say he kept us up in the previous season (lucky for us that Bolton drew) shows how managers are all too eager to claim success is down to them and failure is the fault of the players. I am dumbfounded that Hughes has been given any appointment.
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Post by Lonegunmen on May 31, 2013 8:38:56 GMT
I just lost a mouthful of beer over the keyboard. Hughes was on TV here saying how he likes a team to play attacking football. What a load of bollox he spoke. I just can't believe he kept a straight face during that interview. I hope he fails miserably.
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Post by sharky on May 31, 2013 13:15:06 GMT
I'm sorry, but isn't instilling 'a winning mentality' and stopping 'dressing room unrest' the manager's job. They are paid their massive wages partially to carry the can for their team's failure. To say he kept us up in the previous season (lucky for us that Bolton drew) shows how managers are all too eager to claim success is down to them and failure is the fault of the players. I am dumbfounded that Hughes has been given any appointment.
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2013 13:37:06 GMT
I'm sorry, but isn't instilling 'a winning mentality' and stopping 'dressing room unrest' the manager's job. They are paid their massive wages partially to carry the can for their team's failure. To say he kept us up in the previous season (lucky for us that Bolton drew) shows how managers are all too eager to claim success is down to them and failure is the fault of the players. I am dumbfounded that Hughes has been given any appointment. So what is 'Arrys excuse? Really am sick of all this anti Hughes crap, get over it people....
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Post by sharky on May 31, 2013 13:48:50 GMT
I'm sorry, but isn't instilling 'a winning mentality' and stopping 'dressing room unrest' the manager's job. They are paid their massive wages partially to carry the can for their team's failure. To say he kept us up in the previous season (lucky for us that Bolton drew) shows how managers are all too eager to claim success is down to them and failure is the fault of the players. I am dumbfounded that Hughes has been given any appointment. So what is 'Arrys excuse? Really am sick of all this anti Hughes crap, get over it people.... 'arry has no excuse and neither had Hughes!
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2013 13:52:54 GMT
Hughes at least did what he was brought in for. Arry was supposed to be a great man manager, haven't seen any sign of that....
Should have stuck with Hughes, would have saved a fortune....
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Post by saphilip on May 31, 2013 17:44:39 GMT
Maybe the situation at QPR contributed to MH's epic failure as a coach at Loftus R but let me tell you this;
The cracks were already starting to appear on his CV when he was approached by the QPR board to take over from Neil Warnock.
Consider the facts; His away record - it now stands at just 7 wins in his last 67 away matches. For sure it didn't help that he didn't win any of his away games at QPR but it was already an appalling enough record when he was hired. That loing streak had already started to surface during the latter stages of his Blackburn days and both Man City and Fulham fans had already commented about the fact when he was their coach.
Disciplinary record At QPR his red average was one every 4 matches, while the yellow card was in the 3 to 4 per match region. And it was like that at Blackburn, Fulham & City.
Dealings in the transfer market His record at Man City was proof enough that he had to be held onto a tight leash when it came to the transfer market. QPR proved it beyond a doubt.
Add in his sudden departure from Fulham and the manner in which happened and the stories about his man management skills and you cannot say that TF and co weren't warned when they hired him. A savvy board would have taken one look at his CV and realised that behind all the propaganda and stories they had on their hands a coach whose reputation far exceeded his abilities & achievements.
It is TF's handling of Hughes from the moment ther Clueless One was hired all the way to his (far too belated) sacking that has drawn the most criticism form me.
Yes hindsight is a wonderful thing - I feel that he was already tainted goods when he arrived at LR and that the board should have picked it up. At the very least they should have put him on a leash when he undertook his suicidal dive into the Summer Transfer market.
What is even more amazing is how just about every site has all but skirted Hughe's recod at QPR. As one fan put it on facebook - this is his Bobby Ewing moment when he woke up in the shower.
Except it isn't - it happened and for Stoke and for everybody else to ignore that record is either a sign of sheer stupidity, sheer guts or sheer hatred for all that is QPR. Maybe it is all 3 but all I can say is Good Luck Stoke. I don't like your club and you finally get what you deserve but good luck all the same - and don't say you weren't warned.
See it as our revenge for Mike Sheron.
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Post by Lonegunmen on May 31, 2013 21:13:31 GMT
No Phillip, sending them Bosingwa AND the headless Chicken would be pay back for Mike Sheron.
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Post by Macmoish on May 31, 2013 21:48:26 GMT
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Post by londonranger on May 31, 2013 22:01:00 GMT
Stoke. Have your place reserved for you in our new league. ;D
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Post by qprreport on Jun 1, 2013 23:59:33 GMT
Independent The work's already done for Mark Hughes at Stoke The Potters have stayed up and the new manager is not under pressure from wild ambition STEVE TONGUE SUNDAY 02 JUNE 2013 Managers, like players, eventually find their level. Neil Warnock and, before him, Dave Bassett were expert at taking teams into the top flight but found it harder keeping them there; less heralded colleagues such as Gary Johnson, Russell Slade and John Still do outstanding work in the lower divisions. Now Mark Hughes has moved in at Stoke City to confirm he is the man to keep overachieving clubs in the middle of the Premier League. It is a feat he performed admirably at Blackburn and Fulham. At Manchester City and Queens Park Rangers he found clubs wanting to move faster than was comfortable for any manager, and admits to becoming caught up in all the excitement. To have Blackburn sixth, 10th and seventh while reaching three cup semi-finals and to take Fulham to eighth place, however, was the mark of a man who knows what he is doing, and it is the Fulham parallel he has chosen to invoke. "This is very similar to the situation when I took over at Fulham," he said. "Roy Hodgson had done a fantastic job, it is difficult to follow someone who has been successful, but it gives you a real opportunity, because things are in place and working and it gives you a chance to work well yourself. "That is what I found at Fulham and it is what I expect here. If you go into a situation where it is difficult, there are a lot of things that take your energy away from you." At Blackburn and QPR the initial difficulty was a relegation battle, successfully won each time; at Fulham, Hodgson had won that struggle already, while Tony Pulis has claimed to be leaving Stoke after "probably the most successful seven years in the club's history". But for all the admirable consistency – 12th, 11th, 13th, 14th and 13th in the League – the Potters' wheel was functioning less smoothly and paying customers were finding cracks. Pulis's direct, physical style was acceptable while it worked, and Jon Walters, signed from Ipswich three seasons ago, was one of the players who appreciated what he did for the club: "Tony's done a magnificent job from a mid-table Championship team to staying up in the Premier League and pushing on, a few good cup runs, a European run, and he'll be a hard act to follow. Once you achieve something, there are certain expectations you have to fulfil and if we weren't doing that, then there were a few moans and groans. "We did go on a bad run after the Liverpool game on Boxing Day. But we stayed in the Premier League and that's magnificent for the club, and hopefully we can push forward next year under the new manager." As a Republic of Ireland international, Walters is one of few players at Stoke with genuine resale value, which is something Hughes must address, along with a shortage of local players graduating from the club's academy. "The intention is to have a close look at what is coming through the academy and the development teams and see if we can bring more players through," Hughes said. "That is always important, it is good for the club, because fans want to see local lads coming through the ranks. "We will try to make that happen if the quality is there, but it is not a case of trying to bring a number of players in, because the group is good enough. We want to add a bit of quality where it is needed." Jack Butland, the highly regarded England Under-21 goalkeeper, has already been secured from Birmingham, which may mean allowing Asmir Begovic to leave. Hughes will try to insist that others such as Ryan Shawcross stay where they are. "It is not sustainable if you come in and sell your better players because that just undermines what you are trying to do. If you have a recruitment strategy that is correct and you can see two or three years ahead, that enables you to have a plan. So if you do get to a point where a player is agitating to leave, then you have had two years of working with the player who might replace him. That is what we will create in the future." Looking "two or three years ahead" has become a precarious strategy in a League where the average tenure for managers is now much lower. Changing the style of football at the same time as achieving results makes life more difficult, but Hughes has always believed in himself. "It's understandable at times that you have self-doubt," he admitted. "That comes and goes, but you have to be strong in your own mind and remind yourself sometimes what you have achieved." www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/premier-league/the-works-already-done-for-mark-hughes-at-stoke-8640907.html
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2013 17:39:40 GMT
Interesting to see what one player had to say on Twitter (amazed nobody else mentioned it) Frankie Sutherland @frankiejay_ 30 May Good luck to Mark Hughes and all his back room staff.. Top manager!Frankie Sutherland @frankiejay_ 30 May superckat @maljacqpr he kept us up last year.. And was brilliant with me! Had 1 bad season but I honestly think he's a good manager
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Post by nomar on Jun 2, 2013 18:10:43 GMT
Interesting to see what one player had to say on Twitter (amazed nobody else mentioned it) Frankie Sutherland @frankiejay_ 30 May Good luck to Mark Hughes and all his back room staff.. Top manager!Frankie Sutherland @frankiejay_ 30 May superckat @maljacqpr he kept us up last year.. And was brilliant with me! Had 1 bad season but I honestly think he's a good managerThis doesn't fit in with the 'it's all Hughes' fault' mantra that is popular with many QPR fans on a universal basis. Hughes has admitted he made mistakes in his time here. So has Fernandes. Both paid the ultimate price, professionally speaking, for those mistakes. Like Clive Whittingham says in the last line of his piece that is linked, QPR fans are hoping Hughes fails at Stoke because it justifies the 'blame everything that went wrong on Hughes' stance most are determined to maintain. Personally, I hope Hughes succeeds and that we are crossing swords with him back in the Premier League next summer.
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Post by Macmoish on Jun 2, 2013 19:29:53 GMT
If I had seen the tweet would have course posted it...
Look someone - or a number of people are to blame including Fernandes and Redknapp and Briatore...
And Hughes...
And I don'tt understand what went wrong or who was responsible. Wasn't the fans.
I do hope that when not tweeting and doing interviews that Fernandes are themselves aware of what went wrong so can fix things
(Also admire players who praise ex boss...when they gain nothing by doing so...Notbthe norm!)
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Post by manta on Jun 2, 2013 21:06:49 GMT
I hope Hughes fails, sadly I think he might do well.
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