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Post by Macmoish on Oct 5, 2012 12:45:28 GMT
Way to go! London 24 Chelsea star in angry Twitter attack at FA Friday, October 5, 2012 1:12 PM Ashley Cole has taken to Twitter to voice his outrage after the Football Association questioned his integrity. Related search results guardian.co.uk Ashley Cole's outburst at the FA on his Twitter page The England full back gave a statement in court defending Chelsea team-mate John Terry during his trial for using a racial slur towards QPR’s Anton Ferdinand – the Blues skipper was found guilty by Westminster Magistrates Court. However, the FA found Terry guilty in a second hearing, banning him for four games and fining him £220,000. And after the independent Football Association regulatory commission published reasons for their guilty verdict, Cole became angered at claims that his statement was unreliable. “Hahahahaa, well done #fa I lied did I,#BUNCHOFtwatS,” Cole tweeted. Chelsea manager Roberto Di Matteo was informed of Cole’s tweet during his pre-match press conference. When asked if his players were out of control, he said: “We’ll look at the tweet and then we’ll see. “I don’t think the players are out of control. I need to see the reasoning behind it.” The independent FA regulatory commission’s statement read: “These highly material issues relating to Mr Cole’s evidence were not addressed by the Chief Magistrate - he clearly did not have the interview notes of the FA’s interviewers, or Mr Barnard’s statement before him - and they do not appear in his judgment. “Accordingly, that material can and should properly be regarded as cogent new evidence. “Had it been before him, the commission has no doubt that the Chief Magistrate would have examined Mr Cole’s evidence as to what he claims he heard Mr Ferdinand say to Mr Terry on the pitch very carefully indeed, or scrutinised it even more closely than he may have done.” It adds: “All of this causes the commission to have very real concerns about the accuracy of Mr Barnard’s recollections, and the motivation for the assertions that he makes in his witness statement about what Mr Cole said during the FA interview of him, particularly his alleged use of the word ‘black’.” www.london24.com/sport/chelsea/chelsea_star_in_angry_twitter_attack_at_fa_1_1572908?
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Post by cpr on Oct 5, 2012 13:04:38 GMT
"the Blues skipper was found guilty by Westminster Magistrates Court." If only...
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Post by bowranger on Oct 5, 2012 13:16:00 GMT
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Post by Macmoish on Oct 5, 2012 13:16:52 GMT
Many thanks Bowranger, you're doing G-d's Work
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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2012 13:31:47 GMT
did not see you had put Cole's tweet on here Mike, opened a new thread
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Post by Zamoraaaah on Oct 5, 2012 14:13:02 GMT
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Post by haqpr1963 on Oct 5, 2012 14:20:36 GMT
His brief does speak some sense :
Mr. Carter-Stephenson urged upon the Commission the hazards of relying upon unattributed, and untested newspaper reports, particularly those that are based on hearsay, and perhaps multiple hearsay.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2012 16:08:20 GMT
Just the sort of considered response I would expect from Cashley. Does that constitute a breach of the FA rules? It does indeed, a fine on it's way to Cashley Ole!!!! Squeaky voiced, mobile porn touting little turd!!!
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Post by sharky on Oct 5, 2012 17:00:38 GMT
So the T-shirt will be changed to JOHN TERRY WE & THE FA KNOW WHAT YOU SAID!!!!!
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Post by Bushman on Oct 5, 2012 17:25:41 GMT
Ashley Cole sorry for outburst over FA's John Terry ruling England and Chelsea defender Ashley Cole has apologised "unreservedly" for criticising the Football Association after his evidence in the John Terry racism case was questioned. Cole's statement supporting Terry was queried by an independent FA commission after it found Terry guilty of racially insulting Anton Ferdinand during a match between Chelsea and QPR last season. Analysis Phil McNulty Chief football writer, BBC Sport "Ashley Cole's profanity aimed at the FA presents another headache for England boss Roy Hodgson. "Having been forced to apologise to Rio Ferdinand after details of a private conversation on the Tube in which he revealed the Manchester United defender would not be selected for forthcoming World Cup qualifiers was made public, the future of one of England's most enduring and finest players must now be in serious question. "Whatever Cole's feelings about the findings of an independent FA commission, his abusive tweet is at best ill-advised and at worst potentially enough to bring about the end of his England career. "After so many headlines about pre-match handshakes, it would be another awkward moment should Cole be confronted by a line of FA dignitaries before next Friday's meeting with San Marino at Wembley after denouncing the organisation in such colourful terms. "It is also an incident that threatens to overshadow the magnificent contribution Chelsea's left-back has made in an England career spanning 98 caps." Cole, 31, responded on his official Twitter account: "Hahahahaa, well done #fa I lied did I, #BUNCHOFT***S". He later deleted the tweet and issued a statement apologising for his outburst. "I had just finished training and saw the captions on the TV screens in the treatment rooms about what was said in the FA commission ruling about me," it read. "I was really upset and tweeted my feelings in the heat of the moment. I apologise unreservedly for my comment about the FA." England manager Roy Hodgson spoke to Cole by phone on Friday afternoon and the player is expected to report as normal on Monday with the rest of the squad for two forthcoming World Cup qualifiers. Chelsea captain Terry was banned for four matches and fined £220,000 after the FA's independent commission found parts of his defence were "improbable, implausible and contrived", adding that, while the defender was "not a racist", it was "satisfied" his comments were used as an insult. The commission also cast doubt on the evidence of Cole, who had played in the game against QPR and given a statement in support of Terry to the criminal trial at which his team-mate was cleared. One of the chapters contained within the report is entitled the 'evolution of Ashley Cole's evidence' and claimed he amended his witness statement by adding the word "black" to help Terry's defence. Cole tweeted his anger at the FA at 12:51 BST on Friday, about three hours after the commission's 63-page report was released and during Chelsea manager's Roberto Di Matteo scheduled news conference ahead of their Premier League match against Norwich City. The player, who has been capped 98 times by England, has more than 400,000 followers on Twitter. His tweet was deleted after 90 minutes but not before it had been retweeted more than 20,000 times. Di Matteo was asked if it was an appropriate comment to make, but Chelsea press officer Steve Atkins intervened. "I would say not, but again I think we should reserve any comment on that until the more appropriate time," said Atkins. Di Matteo added: "I judge the players on what I see when they train and play. I try and select a team that will hopefully be able to win against Norwich. That is my job. "I always said about the social networks that it is a good vehicle if used appropriately. Players need to realise that tweets can be viewed by anybody and they have to be responsible. I do not think the players, apart from this, are out of control." Former England striker Gary Lineker called Cole's tweet "astonishing". "I suggest a rapid apology Ashley. Been a great England player, don't tarnish it," Lineker wrote on Twitter. "Whether you think he is right is not the issue. It is the manner of the tweet that is ill-advised in my view." An FA spokesman said his organisation was aware of the Cole tweet but declined to comment. On Thursday, Cole was selected in Hodgson's England squad for the World Cup qualifiers against San Marino and Poland. England play San Marino at Wembley on Friday 12 October at Wembley, before travelling to Warsaw to face Poland four days later. If Cole played in both matches, he would hit the 100-cap mark. Asked if he should now feature in those games, Di Matteo added: "I think it is for Roy Hodgson to decide." www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/19847790
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Post by eusebio13 on Oct 5, 2012 17:38:08 GMT
Is it me or does the Cole tweet seem to be obscuring what is a very damning verdict...Five live only seem to be reporting Cashley's embarrassing stupidity
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Post by cpr on Oct 5, 2012 17:41:13 GMT
Is it me or does the Cole tweet seem to be obscuring what is a very damning verdict...Five live only seem to be reporting Cashley's embarrassing stupidity Could be a deliberate deflection ploy! No,it's not you.
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Post by terryb on Oct 5, 2012 17:55:22 GMT
Just read through the full report!
This is very damning on Terry, Cole & Barnard.
My reading of it is that they believe that Terry & Chelsea FC (at least their secretary) conspired in his defence. Why am I not surprised!
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Post by Zamoraaaah on Oct 5, 2012 19:09:42 GMT
Is it me or does the Cole tweet seem to be obscuring what is a very damning verdict...Five live only seem to be reporting Cashley's embarrassing stupidity Crossed my mind too. From the very start Chels*** FC, Terry's lawyers and his bitches have used every trick in the book to delay, discredit and deflect his shitty behaviour. They are all scum.
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Post by Bushman on Oct 5, 2012 20:39:36 GMT
By METRO NEWS REPORTER - 3rd May, 2012 Racist Chelsea fan Stephen Fitzwater banned for abusing Didier Drogba A Chelsea fan has been banned from football matches for three years after he racially abused his team’s striker Didier Drogba. Stephen Fitzwater was watching the FA Cup semi-final against Tottenham on April 15 when he was heard aiming a racist slur at the player. Other supporters took offence and reported him to a steward and Mr Fitzwater was subsequently arrested by Scotland Yard's football intelligence unit. The 55-year-old from Isleworth, west London, admitted racially aggravated abuse at Hendon magistrates' court. He was given a three-year football banning order preventing him from attending any regulated football match in the UK or abroad and was also banned for life by Chelsea. A Chelsea Football Club spokesman said: 'Chelsea Football Club and the overwhelming majority of our fans abhor all forms of discrimination and believe they have no place in our club or our communities. 'We will be taking the strongest possible action against this individual, who has received a football banning order along with a lifetime ban from Chelsea Football Club. 'We would like to thank Chelsea fans for reporting this incident and others which occurred during the semi-final, as a result of which a number of persons have been banned for using racial and abusive language.' Read more: www.metro.co.uk/news/898045-racist-chelsea-fan-banned-for-abusing-didier-drogba#ixzz28SWKGUPK
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Post by mfnc on Oct 5, 2012 21:16:11 GMT
keep it going lads.
bow, great work on your blog and here. . i hope this thread runs and runs until the fa, courts realise they cant push sh1t under a carpet.
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Post by Macmoish on Oct 5, 2012 21:17:38 GMT
Kick It Out [UK] Kick It Out statement on independent FA commission findings Friday 5 Oct 2012 Kick It Out has released the following statement after the findings by an independent FA commission on the John Terry case were released today: “The written reasons are welcomed and acknowledge some important consequences of this episode, namely the trauma caused to the Ferdinand family. It’s a period that has polarised the game, undermined the good work being done at all levels, and it must never be allowed to happen again. “We note the rationale for the outcome and there is still a right to appeal, which we respect. In addition, any sanction by Chelsea, as Mr Terry’s employer, is subject to the club’s own internal disciplinary procedures. “The words used are completely unacceptable, irrespective of how many times they were levelled. As campaigners we remain committed to the strongest action being taken against discrimination and supporting victims of it.†www.kickitout.org/news.php/news_id/5623
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Post by mfnc on Oct 5, 2012 21:21:08 GMT
Kick It Out [UK] Kick It Out statement on independent FA commission findings Friday 5 Oct 2012 Kick It Out has released the following statement after the findings by an independent FA commission on the John Terry case were released today: “The written reasons are welcomed and acknowledge some important consequences of this episode, namely the trauma caused to the Ferdinand family. It’s a period that has polarised the game, undermined the good work being done at all levels, and it must never be allowed to happen again. “We note the rationale for the outcome and there is still a right to appeal, which we respect. In addition, any sanction by Chelsea, as Mr Terry’s employer, is subject to the club’s own internal disciplinary procedures. “The words used are completely unacceptable, irrespective of how many times they were levelled. As campaigners we remain committed to the strongest action being taken against discrimination and supporting victims of it.†www.kickitout.org/news.php/news_id/5623and chelsea are a patron of kick it out are they not?
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Post by Macmoish on Oct 5, 2012 21:24:22 GMT
David Conn/The Guardian\ John Terry verdict has left Chelsea with pressing questions to answer The FA's three-man commission criticised the 'unreliable evidence' of Ashley Cole and the club secretary in trying to support their captain Share 15 The judgment of the Football Association's commission into John Terry's racial abuse of Anton Ferdinand amounts to a damning indictment of the Chelsea and, at the time, England captain himself, of his team-mate Ashley Cole and of Chelsea's handling of the whole ugly affair. The three-man commission, chaired by a barrister, Craig Moore, examined the defence Terry has advanced, throughout his criminal trial and the FA's investigation into his use of racist words to Ferdinand, and said directly they did not believe him. They found Cole, who changed his witness statement after the FA first interviewed him about the incident, to have been unreliable and to have amended the statement only to give Terry a stronger defence. Cole's reaction on Twitter, which many immediately assumed self-destructed his England career two international caps short of 100, could not have been further from remorse or apology. "Hahahahaa, well done #fa I lied did I," Cole tweeted defiantly. Referring to the FA, he added: "#BUNCHOFtwatS." Cole apologised two hours later – not for advancing unreliable evidence to a hearing into racial abuse but for insulting the FA. He said he had tweeted "in the heat of the moment". Chelsea's secretary, the vastly experienced administrator David Barnard, was also disbelieved. The commission found he had asked the FA to amend Cole's statement, not because it better reflected the truth, but that his "clear purpose" was simply to strengthen Terry's defence. Many in the wider public, including black footballers and anti-racism campaigners, will see a bewildering discrepancy between the commission's devastating findings, that Terry's story about his insulting of Ferdinand was untrue, and the four-match ban they imposed, the minimum for racial abuse. The panel accepted mitigation for Terry against imposing a longer ban, which included the Premier League chairman, Sir Dave Richards, providing a good character reference detailing Terry's charity work. There is also a puzzle about the FA's insistence that it was not alleging Terry is racist, and the panel's complete acceptance of that view, when it found him guilty of calling Ferdinand a "F***ing black c**t". This time, unlike at Westminster magistrates court, where Terry was acquitted in July of committing a racially aggravated public order offence for the same incident, it was found that he said those words as an insult. In court, throughout one of the most dispiriting chapters in English football's modern history, Terry and his barrister, George Carter-Stephenson QC, had maintained a defence that the chief magistrate, Howard Riddle, described as "unlikely" even when acquitting Terry. Terry's defence after he realised he had been caught on camera clearly mouthing those words to Ferdinand, was tortuous. But it was supported by Cole, with the help of Barnard and Chelsea football club, the current champions of Europe. Terry claimed that in their dismal, posturing confrontation during Chelsea's match at Queens Park Rangers on 23 October last year, he believed Ferdinand had accused him of calling Ferdinand a "F***ing black c**t". So Terry claimed that, when filmed saying those words, he was just repeating them back in a way that rejected Ferdinand's accusation. Cole gave evidence, in court on oath and in a statement to the commission, to support that defence. Riddle ruled that, though it was "highly unlikely" Ferdinand had accused Terry in such terms, nevertheless it was "possible" Terry believed he had. Therefore there was sufficient doubt about whether Terry used the words as a racist insult, so necessitating a not guilty verdict. The commission, whose other two members were Maurice Armstrong, head of the Huntingdonshire FA, and the former Blackburn Rovers winger turned lawyer Stuart Ripley, did not believe Terry. Nor did they believe Cole or Barnard. Such disciplinary proceedings under the FA's rules require not a criminal standard of proof of beyond reasonable doubt, but the measure in civil legal actions, the balance of probabilities. On that basis the commission were more forthright than expected. Essentially they decided that ever since Terry was caught on camera mouthing those words he has been lying about how he said them. "The commission is quite satisfied," the judgment said, "that there is no credible basis for Mr Terry's defence that his use of the words 'F***ing black c**t' were directed at Ferdinand by way of forceful rejection and/or inquiry. Instead, we are quite satisfied, and find on the balance of probabilities, that the offending words were said by way of insult." So there it finally was, after all. Cole's role in this story was as sidekick to Terry in presenting that defence. He found himself damagingly discredited. Cole had stated in court that he had seen Ferdinand mouth a word beginning with B, which could have been "Bridge" or "black". Although Riddle described Cole's evidence as "far from compelling" he did say it added to the doubt that required a not guilty verdict. The commission not only disbelieved Cole, they found that he and Barnard together had "retrospectively" asked the FA to amend Cole's witness statement, to insert that he thought Ferdinand might have used the word "black". This was "highly material" new evidence, the commission said, which Riddle had not had before reaching his verdict. It emerged that, when Cole was interviewed by the FA's head of off-field regulation, Jenni Kennedy, and her then colleague, Adam Sanhaie, on 28 October last year, Cole had not mentioned that Ferdinand may have used the word "black" during the altercation, only the word "Bridge". That did not support Terry's defence, that Ferdinand had accused Terry of calling him a "F***ing black c**t" and Terry was only repeating it back. The FA sent Cole his witness statement on 2 November. The following day Barnard wrote to the FA, saying he had talked to Cole, who wished to add the word "black". Barnard made his own statement on 13 September this year, shortly before the commission hearing. He stated that he had heard Cole, in his original interview, mentioning the word "black" and that the FA had failed to include that reference in Cole's first draft statement. The commission were seriously unimpressed by that, and by Barnard's and Cole's efforts after the player's interview to get the word "black" into his evidence about what Ferdinand had said. The judgment says the commission had "considerable doubts" over the reliability of Cole's evidence. Even more woundingly they stated they believe Riddle may also have had more doubts had he seen the FA's notes and that Barnard had provided a similar explanation. The commission stated it had "significant doubts" about the evidence of Barnard, the long-serving Chelsea secretary who was formerly secretary at Wimbledon. They concluded the "clear purpose" of Barnard seeking to get the word "black" into Cole's statement was because it would "provide direct support" for Terry. So this most ugly of episodes ended with a damning 63-page judgment, concluding that John Terry, captain of Chelsea and 78 times capped by England, racially abused another footballer, then consistently lied about it. And his club, throughout it all, has always supported him and kept him as their captain. www.guardian.co.uk/football/2012/oct/05/john-terry-verdict-chelsea
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Post by mfnc on Oct 5, 2012 21:35:53 GMT
he has to be a goner
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Post by eusebio13 on Oct 5, 2012 21:45:23 GMT
David Conn/The Guardian\ So this most ugly of episodes ended with a damning 63-page judgment, concluding that John Terry, captain of Chelsea and 78 times capped by England, racially abused another footballer, then consistently lied about it. And his club, throughout it all, has always supported him and kept him as their captain.www.guardian.co.uk/football/2012/oct/05/john-terry-verdict-chelseaThere you have it..no more no less.
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Post by eusebio13 on Oct 5, 2012 22:06:52 GMT
Matt Lawton: 63 pages that should make Chelsea chief Abramovich squirm By MATT LAWTON PUBLISHED: 22:30, 5 October 2012 | UPDATED: 22:30, 5 October 2012 Comments (0) Share Captain, leader, legend, liar. Over the 63 pages of the independent commission’s report into what happened at Loftus Road last October, and the clumsily orchestrated attempt at a cover-up that appears to have followed, John George Terry’s reputation has been dismantled and destroyed. The reputation of Chelsea has also taken a battering, and it will be interesting to see how Roman Abramovich reacts given his sensitivity to such issues in the past. He was most unhappy when Jose Mourinho’s antics turned his club into the pariahs of European football, and the petulant Portuguese did not remain the manager for much longer. In the spotlight: John Terry's reputation has been hit hard by the 63 pages of the independent commission's report FA reveal Terry hearing details Click HERE for the full 63-page FA report on the John Terry racism case Heads rolled at Anfield in the wake of Liverpool’s Luis Suarez fiasco last season and, while the Football Association have no intention of pursuing the matter further with Chelsea, Abramovich may not feel that Friday is the end of the matter. How can he when the long-serving club secretary is so heavily implicated in something that seems to have been cooked up to keep Terry on the football pitch? When another senior player, in Ashley Cole, also appears to have played a part in a deception that brings shame and embarrassment on the champions of Europe. They were not just bending the rules here, say the commission. They were trying to protect a player who has been found guilty of racially abusing an opponent. On Friday Terry's defence was described by the commission as ‘improbable, implausible and contrived’, the conclusion being that when the already disgraced former England captain had addressed Anton Ferdinand with the words ‘f*****g black c**t’ they were indeed meant as an insult. ‘There is no credible basis for Mr Terry’s defence,’ the three-man commission said in their report, having also explained that the FA had to satisfy the commission that the ‘holy trinity’ of words had been used as an insult for Terry to be found guilty. Controversy: Terry was banned and fine for racial abuse at Anton Ferdinand at Loftus Road last season The commission also noted that the Chief Magistrate had expressed his concerns about Terry’s defence at Westminster Magistrates Court in July. Judge Howard Riddle also described his version of events as ‘implausible’. ‘Mr Terry’s credibility in the eyes of the CM appears to have had its limitations,’ said the commission. Terry, it is clear, attempted to wriggle his way out of trouble the moment he realised there was an issue at Loftus Road. But that was not at the end of the match, when, according to him, Ferdinand had already accused him of a racial slur, but ‘an hour’ after the final whistle. By then the video evidence had appeared on YouTube, and by then people were becoming aware that the then England captain could be in real bother. When it came to Terry’s version, and it was interesting to read that he declined the opportunity to give evidence before the commission, the three-man panel did not believe a word of it. They expressed their ‘surprise’ that Terry waited an hour before attempting to defuse the row with Ferdinand, and they saw no indication in the video evidence of a footballer affronted by the accusation that he had racially abused someone. ‘At no point is his demeanour and facial expression that of someone who is imploring, injured, or even quizzical in the face of an unfounded allegation by Mr Ferdinand that he had just been racially abusive towards him,’ said the report. The commission was keen to stress they do not believe Terry to be a racist, their opinion based on the testimonies of witnesses. Dammed: Ashley Cole is also affected by what was published by the commission investigating the row Terry can, of course, issue the obvious response. He can point to the fact that he was acquitted in the summer, just as he can highlight a subtle change in the FA disciplinary rulebook and the fact that he was informed, in January, that if a court reached a not guilty verdict the FA would do the same. But Cole’s evidence was key to Terry’s acquittal and, as the commission have now been able to reveal, that evidence was hugely undermined by a disclosure of amendments. This is not Hillsborough but it is the implied cover-up that kills Chelsea here. It is the devil in the detail that leaves the stain on a fine football club. As club secretary and an FA councillor, Dave Barnard must have been left feeling distinctly uncomfortable by the report. He was central, say the commission, to the ‘evolution of Cole’s evidence’. In particular the insertion of the word ‘black’, 10 months after his original testimony to FA disciplinary officials, in what Cole claims he heard Ferdinand say. The commission said there were very real concerns about the accuracy of Mr Barnard’s recollections. ‘If there is a satisfactory explanation for discrepancies in Mr Barnard’s evidence the commission was not provided with one,’ said the report. ‘His recollections are “materially defective”. All of this caused the commission to have very real concerns about the accuracy of Mr Barnard’s recollections and the motivation for the assertions he makes in (Cole’s) statements.’ The commission said it had considerable doubt over Cole’s claim that Ferdinand used the word ‘black’, adding that ‘the word “black” was retrospectively introduced with a view to bolstering Mr Terry’s claim’. How do you feel? Roman Abramovich has not taken kindly to those who paint the club in a bad light For some reason Cole’s original interview with the FA was not recorded. Cole claimed he had said that Ferdinand used the word ‘black’ in his original interview. But the FA’s Jenni Kennedy remains adamant that was not the case. In responding in the manner he did yesterday, with that ludicrous tweet he then deleted and apologised for, Cole again proved he is a classless individual. A wonderful player for club and country, there can be no doubt, but a disaster in almost every other respect. Cole, like Terry, just doesn’t get it. He doesn’t recognise the responsibility that comes with being in a high-profile position and Terry is no different. Cole embarrassed the FA as well yesterday. He reports for international duty on Monday and on Tuesday he is expected to join his England colleagues in welcoming the Duke and Duchess of Cambridge to St George’s Park. The same Duke of Cambridge who is also the president of ‘the bunch of t****’. Barnard’s reputation is also damaged by the report but it is inconceivable that he was not pulling the strings; that he was not following the orders of more senior club officials in asking for amendments to Cole’s evidence. That is certainly something Abramovich needs to consider, and whether it is time the club stopped indulging a captain who — for all his ability on the pitch — gives Chelsea a bad name. Read more: www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2213591/John-Terry-comment--63-pages-make-Roman-Abramovich-squirm-MATT-LAWTON.html#ixzz28St2iBHu Follow us: @mailonline on Twitter | DailyMail on Facebook
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Post by Macmoish on Oct 5, 2012 22:14:48 GMT
As they say in Politics: It's not the Crime that Kills you. It's the Cover-up...
And here we've seen over the past year....
All Terry had to do was step forward, acknowledge he said something he shouldn't in the heat of the moment; apologize; take his punishment. And then move on.
And all others had to do was not be "Enablers" of JT Chelsea and England Captain
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Post by mfnc on Oct 5, 2012 22:39:24 GMT
pretty poor show that we go this far to get true facts out about terry and his racist comment,
also bad that cole felt the need to protect terry.
but disgusting that the club (chelsea) try to cover it up to keep players on the pitch and not address the issue that they employ a racist and a collaborator.
i can see no other outcome than both those players being forced into retirement.
although at times it pleases me to gloat, all be it a tad selfish, i feel sad that it came to this.
hope hodgson, wilkins and all others retract previous statements and apologize for their ignorance.
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Post by eusebio13 on Oct 5, 2012 22:48:58 GMT
It seems Hodgson intends to continue to pick Cole as he would Terry if given the chance....he is proving to be an apologist for these scumbags
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Post by Bushman on Oct 5, 2012 22:56:50 GMT
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Post by sharky on Oct 6, 2012 1:29:44 GMT
As they say in Politics: It's not the Crime that Kills you. It's the Cover-up... And here we've seen over the past year.... All Terry had to do was step forward, acknowledge he said something he shouldn't in the heat of the moment; apologize; take his punishment. And then move on. And all others had to do was not be "Enablers" of JT Chelsea and England Captain Spot on Mac. A person without ego, with a conscience, and true to themselves, their team mates and their club, ie a normal person would have done exactly that. That is, admit what they had done to Anton, explained that it was said in the heat of the moment and apologise to him unreservedly. He would then have had Anton testifying on his behalf, not against him, would have copped a 4 game ban and everyone would have moved on. But not John Terry. He thinks he's bigger than the game, gets caught up in a web of lies and drags Anton, Rio, Cashly and others into this seemingly never ending saga. He will in the eyes of many (including me) be forever defined by this unseemly episode.
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Post by sharky on Oct 6, 2012 3:08:28 GMT
Interesting take on Daily Mail online
Matt Lawton: Captain, leader, legend, liar. 63 pages that should make Abramovich squirm
By MATT LAWTON
PUBLISHED: 21:30 GMT, 5 October 2012 | UPDATED: 22:48 GMT, 5 October 2012
Captain, leader, legend, liar. Over the 63 pages of the independent commission’s report into what happened at Loftus Road last October, and the clumsily orchestrated attempt at a cover-up that appears to have followed, John George Terry’s reputation has been dismantled and destroyed.
The reputation of Chelsea has also taken a battering, and it will be interesting to see how Roman Abramovich reacts given his sensitivity to such issues in the past.
He was most unhappy when Jose Mourinho’s antics turned his club into the pariahs of European football, and the petulant Portuguese did not remain the manager for much longer.
Heads rolled at Anfield in the wake of Liverpool’s Luis Suarez fiasco last season and, while the Football Association have no intention of pursuing the matter further with Chelsea, Abramovich may not feel that Friday is the end of the matter.
How can he when the long-serving club secretary is so heavily implicated in something that seems to have been cooked up to keep Terry on the football pitch?
When another senior player, in Ashley Cole, also appears to have played a part in a deception that brings shame and embarrassment on the champions of Europe.
They were not just bending the rules here, say the commission. They were trying to protect a player who has been found guilty of racially abusing an opponent.
On Friday Terry's defence was described by the commission as ‘improbable, implausible and contrived’, the conclusion being that when the already disgraced former England captain had addressed Anton Ferdinand with the words ‘f*****g black c**t’ they were indeed meant as an insult.
‘There is no credible basis for Mr Terry’s defence,’ the three-man commission said in their report, having also explained that the FA had to satisfy the commission that the ‘holy trinity’ of words had been used as an insult for Terry to be found guilty.
The commission also noted that the Chief Magistrate had expressed his concerns about Terry’s defence at Westminster Magistrates Court in July. Judge Howard Riddle also described his version of events as ‘implausible’. ‘Mr Terry’s credibility in the eyes of the CM appears to have had its limitations,’ said the commission.
Terry, it is clear, attempted to wriggle his way out of trouble the moment he realised there was an issue at Loftus Road. But that was not at the end of the match, when, according to him, Ferdinand had already accused him of a racial slur, but ‘an hour’ after the final whistle.
By then the video evidence had appeared on YouTube, and by then people were becoming aware that the then England captain could be in real bother.
When it came to Terry’s version, and it was interesting to read that he declined the opportunity to give evidence before the commission, the three-man panel did not believe a word of it.
They expressed their ‘surprise’ that Terry waited an hour before attempting to defuse the row with Ferdinand, and they saw no indication in the video evidence of a footballer affronted by the accusation that he had racially abused someone.
‘At no point is his demeanour and facial expression that of someone who is imploring, injured, or even quizzical in the face of an unfounded allegation by Mr Ferdinand that he had just been racially abusive towards him,’ said the report.
The commission was keen to stress they do not believe Terry to be a racist, their opinion based on the testimonies of witnesses.
Terry can, of course, issue the obvious response. He can point to the fact that he was acquitted in the summer, just as he can highlight a subtle change in the FA disciplinary rulebook and the fact that he was informed, in January, that if a court reached a not guilty verdict the FA would do the same.
But Cole’s evidence was key to Terry’s acquittal and, as the commission have now been able to reveal, that evidence was hugely undermined by a disclosure of amendments.
This is not Hillsborough but it is the implied cover-up that kills Chelsea here. It is the devil in the detail that leaves the stain on a fine football club.
As club secretary and an FA councillor, Dave Barnard must have been left feeling distinctly uncomfortable by the report.
He was central, say the commission, to the ‘evolution of Cole’s evidence’. In particular the insertion of the word ‘black’, 10 months after his original testimony to FA disciplinary officials, in what Cole claims he heard Ferdinand say. The commission said there were very real concerns about the accuracy of Mr Barnard’s recollections.
‘If there is a satisfactory explanation for discrepancies in Mr Barnard’s evidence the commission was not provided with one,’ said the report. ‘His recollections are “materially defective”. All of this caused the commission to have very real concerns about the accuracy of Mr Barnard’s recollections and the motivation for the assertions he makes in (Cole’s) statements.’
The commission said it had considerable doubt over Cole’s claim that Ferdinand used the word ‘black’, adding that ‘the word “black” was retrospectively introduced with a view to bolstering Mr Terry’s claim’.
For some reason Cole’s original interview with the FA was not recorded. Cole claimed he had said that Ferdinand used the word ‘black’ in his original interview. But the FA’s Jenni Kennedy remains adamant that was not the case.
In responding in the manner he did yesterday, with that ludicrous tweet he then deleted and apologised for, Cole again proved he is a classless individual.
A wonderful player for club and country, there can be no doubt, but a disaster in almost every other respect. Cole, like Terry, just doesn’t get it. He doesn’t recognise the responsibility that comes with being in a high-profile position and Terry is no different.
Cole embarrassed the FA as well yesterday. He reports for international duty on Monday and on Tuesday he is expected to join his England colleagues in welcoming the Duke and Duchess of Cambridge to St George’s Park. The same Duke of Cambridge who is also the president of ‘the bunch of t****’.
Barnard’s reputation is also damaged by the report but it is inconceivable that he was not pulling the strings; that he was not following the orders of more senior club officials in asking for amendments to Cole’s evidence.
That is certainly something Abramovich needs to consider, and whether it is time the club stopped indulging a captain who — for all his ability on the pitch — gives Chelsea a bad name.
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Post by cpr on Oct 6, 2012 3:55:15 GMT
Lawton has stuck to his guns over this.
I look forward to seeing if the fat bearded west ham blogger, Lawton's colleague, starts changing his tune, an apologist and defender of the lying racist.
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Post by cpr on Oct 6, 2012 7:55:10 GMT
Is it me or does the Cole tweet seem to be obscuring what is a very damning verdict...Five live only seem to be reporting Cashley's embarrassing stupidity Could be a deliberate deflection ploy! No,it's not you. It's clearly worked. Four time on BBC Breakfast sports news, Cole's tweet and subsequent deletion followed by an apology but nothing on the actual FA report whatsoever. Is Mike Bushell a Chels*** fan I wonder? Could be as he's shyte at any sport he tries!
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