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Post by FloridaR on Jul 9, 2012 11:33:14 GMT
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Post by cpr on Jul 9, 2012 11:37:56 GMT
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Post by FloridaR on Jul 9, 2012 12:18:38 GMT
I think the fist pumping gesture was way out of order. This is starting to look like a bad 30 minute show from VH1 - Mob Wives come to mind lol.
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Post by Macmoish on Jul 9, 2012 12:35:36 GMT
PFA's Give Me Football Explained: John Terry's court case All the questions surrounding John Terry's court case answered By Pete South July 09, 2012 John Terry will stand trial today, accused of racially abusing Anton Ferdinand when Chelsea met QPR back in October. The incident cost Terry the England captain’s armband at Euro 2012 and Fabio Capello his job as Three Lions boss after the case was pushed back until after the tournament in Poland and Ukraine. With a media storm brewing as one of the most high-profile footballers in England faces up to a criminal conviction, what are the facts surrounding the case? Where is the case taking place? The case will be heard in Westminster Magistrates’ Court, with Chief Magistrate Howard Riddle overseeing proceedings. The Prosecuting counsel is Duncan Penny and the Defence counsel is George Carter-Stephenson QC So what has Terry actually be charged with? The charge facing the Chelsea defender, a racially aggravated public order offence, is as follows: "On 23rd October 2011 at Loftus Road football ground you (Terry) used threatening, abusive or insulting words or behaviour, or disorderly behaviour within the hearing or sight of a person likely to be caused harassment, alarm or distress thereby and at the time of doing so, or immediately before doing so, demonstrated hostility towards that person based on his membership or presumed membership of a particular racial group contrary to section 31 (1) (c) of the Crime and Disorder Act 1998." So what is the evidence being used by the prosecution? During the game in question at Loftus Road back in October, Terry seemingly hurled a volley of racial abuse aimed at Ferdinand. The Chelsea defender was captured on camera shouting at Ferdinand, with the footage suggesting he said: “f*** off, f*** off.....f***ing black c***, f***ing nobhead” having allegedly been provoked by the QPR man, who bought up Terry’s affair with former colleague Wayne Bridge’s fiancé, Vanessa Perroncel. Expert lip readers later confirmed Terry's words and in court this morning the England defender did not deny what he has been accused of saying. Does Terry deny the charge? This morning his defence team confirmed his not guilty plea issued last month. Terry’s team will claim that he used the comments (above) as a way of questioning an unfounded accusation leveled at him by Ferdinand, saying this morning that he: ‘Uttered by way of sarcastic exclamation or enquiry in relation to a perceived accusation by Mr Ferdinand”. The two initially clashed after Ferdinand felt Terry had gone down cheaply for a penalty. What is Ferdinand’s evidence? Ferdinand gave evidence this morning and said he did not hear Terry racially abuse him on the pitch, and admitted that he tried to antagonise the Chelsea defender over his affair with Veronica Perroncel. The QPR man also said that he spoke to Terry after the game and said that he hadn’t made any allegation of racial abuse during the 90 minutes, throwing into doubt Terry’s defence that he was repeating what Ferdinand had already said. The prosecution claimed earlier that Ferdinand had only been made aware of the alleged racial abuse by his girlfriend, who showed him the TV footage which had gone viral having been posted on YouTube, later on. His evidence is ongoing. What can we expect to see over the course of the trial? The trial is listed to last around five days until July 13. The trial will hinge on whether it can be proved beyond reasonable doubt that Terry’s remarks captured on film and those captured by cameras which were not broadcast were racially motivated having been provoked by insults over his private life or if he genuinely was repeating an accusation made by Ferdinand. Terry’s Chelsea team-mates Ashley Cole and John Obi-Mikel, who were nearby at the time of the incident, will not be called to stand trial. Cole spoke to Ferdinand after the game and suggested he was out of line for bringing up Terry's affair with Perroncel. Ferdinand will give evidence as will four police officers and a lip reading expert. Numerous statements from other witnesses will be read out. Terry is not required to give evidence but may do so if called upon by his defence team. The case is being heard in a magistrates court, so there is no jury. How comes Luis Suarez was charged and banned by the FA for racially abusing Patrice Evra, and John Terry is in court? John Terry will still likely face a ban next season if he is found guilty, and one longer than the eight game suspension Luis Suarez received for racially abusing Patrice Evra, but as soon as it became a criminal matter then it was in the hands of the courts. The key difference is that a member of the public made a complaint to the police about Terry’s on-field comments which prompted a Metropolitan police investigation into the matter. Suarez's case was dealt exclusively with by the FA, who will continue with their own investigation into the incident when the Crown Prosecution Case is over. What if Terry is found guilty? The maximum sentence for the offence is a fine of £2,500. The reputational damage suffered would be far greater than that. www.givemefootball.com/premier-league/explained-john-terrys-court-case
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Post by Macmoish on Jul 9, 2012 12:36:40 GMT
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Post by Macmoish on Jul 9, 2012 12:47:19 GMT
AP Get AP Mobile for your phone at GetAPMobile.com Chelsea captain John Terry's racism trial begins ROB HARRIS Published: 50 minutes ago Former England football captain and current Chelsea player John Terry arrives at Westminster Magistrates Court, London, Monday, July 9, 2012. The 31-year-old is charged with a racially aggravated public order offence for allegedly racially abusing Anton Ferdinand during a Premier League match in October 23, 2011. (AP Photo/Tim Hales) LONDON (AP) - The racism trial of John Terry began Monday with prosecutors claiming the Chelsea captain acknowledges using offensive language as a "sarcastic exclamation" during an on-pitch confrontation. The England defender came face to face in court with Queens Park Rangers defender Anton Ferdinand, whom he is accused of racially abusing during a Premier League match in October. Terry's defense is that he was only repeating racially abusive words that he was accused of using against Ferdinand during an on-pitch confrontation that started over a disputed penalty claim. The 31-year-old Terry faces a maximum fine of 2,500 pounds ($3,900) if he becomes the first top footballer in England to be convicted of racial abuse during a game. Ferdinand, who is black, gave evidence that he had not initially heard Terry use racist language during the match at Loftus Road. Ferdinand said he only became aware that Terry had apparently directed the racial slur at him when footage appeared on the YouTube website afterward. Ferdinand said he would have reported the incident to officials if he had realized what had been said during the game. "When someone brings your color into (abuse), it takes it to another level and it's very hurtful," Ferdinand said. Terry sat in the dock at Westminster Magistrates' Court behind a screen opposite Ferdinand, only occasionally looking up, spending most of the time making notes. Prosecutors opened the trial by outlining Terry's case that his comments "were uttered by way of sarcastic exclamation or enquiry in relation to a perceived false accusation made by Mr. Ferdinand to the effect that he, the defendant, had used the term 'black (expletive)." "The term '(expletive) black (expletive)' was uttered as an abusive insult demonstrating hostility based on Mr. Ferdinand's membership of a racial group," prosecutor Duncan Penny said. Penny said that Terry's remarks were made in response to "goading by Mr. Ferdinand on the issue of his extra-marital affair, rather than by way of exaggerated and instant querying of a perceived false allegation." Terry was stripped of the England captaincy before the 2010 World Cup following allegations he had an affair with teammate Wayne Bridge's former girlfriend. Terry regained the captaincy but lost it again in February with this trial pending ahead of the European Championship, at which he played in all four of England's games last month. Two weeks after playing in the quarterfinal loss to Italy, the court only heard from Terry via statements read out from interviews last year with the police and Football Association. Terry claimed Ferdinand had shouted a "number of abusive comments" toward him and made "at least one obscene gesture with his hand, a pumping action clearly directed at me and no other Chelsea player." "My use of these words were intended to make it plain I had not called him a black (expletive)," Terry said in police interviews read out to the court. "I felt he was accusing me of making a racist remark, which is simply not true." Terry's defense questioned Ferdinand on "why he was so angry" in the match after the Chelsea player tried to win a penalty. Ferdinand said that made him angry because "I'm a winner" but added he is usually a "calm and collected player." ___ Rob Harris can be reached at www.twitter.com/RobHarris© 2012 The Associated Press. All Rights Reserved. m.apnews.com/ap/db_15881/contentdetail.htm?contentguid=4qKe1Mdg
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Post by cpr on Jul 9, 2012 13:00:10 GMT
Man is suit, hands in pockets, walking quickly, great footage.
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Post by Zamoraaaah on Jul 9, 2012 13:15:50 GMT
Man is suit, hands in pockets, walking quickly, great footage. He's got a magistrates outfit underneath so he can strip off and celebrate the win whichever way it goes.
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Post by eusebio13 on Jul 9, 2012 14:03:22 GMT
Those of a sensitive disposition may want to stop here. 38s Matt Dickinson @dickinsontimes Anton Ferdinand has finished giving evidence. Quick break before next witness Expand Reply Retweet Favorite 3m Matt Dickinson @dickinsontimes Ferdinand did not make complaint to police "because the pitch is where we work, it should be dealt with by the FA", court hears Expand Reply Retweeted Favorite 6m Matt Dickinson @dickinsontimes "Were you so angry you don't recall what abuse you gave to Terry?" defence claim. "You added deliberate racial element to provoke Terry." Expand Reply Retweeted Favorite 8m Matt Dickinson @dickinsontimes Repeatedly raised, angry voice from Carter-Stephenson, Terry's lawyer, as grills Ferdinand Expand Reply Retweet Favorite 12m Matt Dickinson @dickinsontimes Ferdinand says he changed his mind about making statement to police - but it had nothing to do with involvement of PR adviser Justin Rigby Expand Reply Retweet Favorite 19m David Brown @davidhbrown #Ferdinand says did not go to police about #Terry racist comment as "it was a football matter that happened on the football pitch". Retweeted by Matt Dickinson Expand Reply Retweet Favorite 26m Matt Dickinson @dickinsontimes "'F***ing nobhead' is something I suspect you've been called on the pitch on a number of occasions", defence lawyer tells Ferdinand Expand Reply Retweeted Favorite 28m Matt Dickinson @dickinsontimes Ferdinand back in witness stand being quizzed about when he first heard FBC Expand Reply Retweeted Favorite 2h Matt Dickinson @dickinsontimes Defence lawyer accusing Ferdinand of feeling guilty after the game because of an "unfounded allegation" Expand Reply Retweeted Favorite 2h Matt Dickinson @dickinsontimes Terry lawyer asks Ferdinand if he "upped the level" and accused Terry of racism because he had failed to wind him up with shagging gestures Expand Reply Retweet Favorite 2h Matt Dickinson @dickinsontimes Ferdinand tells court he will do hand gestures in front of a referee "as long as it ain't swearing" Expand Reply Retweeted Favorite 2h Matt Dickinson @dickinsontimes For clarity, "shagging gesture" demonstrated by Ferdinand in court was fist clenched, right arm across midriff, arm pumped to and fro Expand Reply Retweeted Favorite 2h Rio Ferdinand @rioferdy5 Film of the day: Liar Liar....starring Jim Carey. what a film!! Retweeted by Matt Dickinson Expand Reply Retweet Favorite 6h Rio Ferdinand @rioferdy5 Morning all! Frazzled head this morning, school run done! @anton_ferdinand head high bruv. Retweeted by Matt Dickinson Expand Reply Retweet Favorite 2h Matt Dickinson @dickinsontimes @geoffthomasgtf he is saying he wasn't aware of any alleged racial abuse until his girlfriend showed him youtube View conversation Reply Retweet Favorite 2h Matt Dickinson @dickinsontimes "why did Terry's penalty appeal make you angry?" Ferdinand is asked. He tells court: "i'm a winner" Expand Reply Retweet Favorite 2h Matt Dickinson @dickinsontimes Defence barrister cross-examining and asking if Ferdinand deliberately used forearm and elbow to challenge Terry in back of the head Expand Reply Retweet Favorite 3h Matt Dickinson @dickinsontimes Ferdinand says if he had heard racist abuse, there "would have been an altercation...not on the pitch but somewhere." Expand Reply Retweet Favorite 3h Matt Dickinson @dickinsontimes Ferdinand tells court that he can't understand why Ashley Cole brings up racial abuse at post-match meeting. Insists he didn't hear any Expand Reply Retweet Favorite 3h Matt Dickinson @dickinsontimes At post-match meeting, Terry allegedly said "what happened out there, geez?" ferdinand says he replied:"i don't know, you tell me." Expand Reply Retweet Favorite 3h Matt Dickinson @dickinsontimes Ferdinand says Ashley Cole said to him: "you can't talk to JT like that" Expand Reply Retweeted Favorite 3h Matt Dickinson @dickinsontimes Ferdinand tells court he had no reason to accuse Terry of racist language Expand Reply Retweet Favorite 3h Matt Dickinson @dickinsontimes Ferdinand now asked to show the court what a "shagging gesture" looks like Expand Reply Retweet Favorite 3h Matt Dickinson @dickinsontimes Prosecutor to Ferdinand: "How many times did you call him a c**t and he call you a c**t?" Expand Reply Retweeted Favorite 3h Matt Dickinson @dickinsontimes Anton Ferdinand called to give evidence. First witness Expand Reply Retweet Favorite 3h David Brown @davidhbrown #Terry to police "I felt he was accusing me of making a racist remark which is simply not true and that is why I told him to f*** off" Retweeted by Matt Dickinson Expand Reply Retweet Favorite 3h Matt Dickinson @dickinsontimes @filipevans reporting prosecution statement. Will report defence too. It's how it works View conversation Reply Retweet Favorite 3h Matt Dickinson @dickinsontimes Terry told police he only used the words 'F*** off, F*** off, yeah, yeah, a black c**t, you nob head', court told Expand Reply Retweet Favorite 3h Matt Dickinson @dickinsontimes Terry claims he heard Ferdinand's 'calling me a black c**t' remark clearly because Loftus Road only holds 20000 not 80000 like OT Expand Reply Retweet Favorite 3h Matt Dickinson @dickinsontimes Ferdinand later showed footage by girlfriend and believes "f black c**t" was said. Claims he would have been 'livid' if heard it, court told Expand Reply Retweet Favorite 3h Matt Dickinson @dickinsontimes Ferdinand called to a meeting with Cole, Terry, Chelsea staff post-game. Terry, Ferdinand shook hands, court hears Expand Reply Retweet Favorite 4h Matt Dickinson @dickinsontimes Terry told FA: "you can quite easily say that (video) doen't look good" but no intention to cause offence, court hears Expand Reply Retweet Favorite 4h Matt Dickinson @dickinsontimes In fa interview,Terry admitted raising hand to his nose to pretend Anton had bad breath following "normal football verbals", court hears Expand Reply Retweet Favorite 4h Matt Dickinson @dickinsontimes Chelsea operated a camera at Loftus Road filming for training purposes (AVB's attention to detail?) Expand Reply Retweet Favorite 4h Matt Dickinson @dickinsontimes @markchapman my asterisk key not working View conversation Reply Retweet Favorite 4h Matt Dickinson @dickinsontimes Ferdinand alleged on lip-reading evidence to have shouted at Terry 'oi you, shagging ya mate's missus' Expand Reply Retweet Favorite 4h Matt Dickinson @dickinsontimes Prosecution say that Terry accepts using "F*** off, F*** off", "f black c**t" and "f nobhead" but defence will be "sarcastic exclamation" Expand Reply Retweet Favorite 4h Matt Dickinson @dickinsontimes Underway at Westminster Mags where Terry sits alone in the dock at court one. Not guilty plea confirmed
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Post by cpr on Jul 9, 2012 17:20:31 GMT
Terry's defence doing precisely what they said, try to discredit him. However, he is not on trial. Where is the compainant? Surely the person reporting the "crime" should be giving evidence!!!! I also cannot see why the prosecution are allowing the defence to try and shred Ferninand. Bang out of order if they are not protecting their "witness". Bit like a rape trial innit!!!
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Post by terryb on Jul 9, 2012 17:36:49 GMT
Seems a strange defence to me.
"Yes I said it, but only sarcastically"
Also according to the report I have just heard on Sky the lip reader for the defence tried to play down this part of the evidence but did not deny the supposed comments.
I assume that Anton is now looking forward to training tomorrow. That should be far more enjoyable for him.
Loved the comment, if I had heard racist remarks from him their would have been an altercation. Not on the pitch, but somewhere!
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Post by FloridaR on Jul 9, 2012 17:41:59 GMT
So sick of this playground bs...Let him go elsewhere with Barton.
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Post by eusebio13 on Jul 9, 2012 18:00:42 GMT
So sick of this playground bs...Let him go elsewhere with Barton. are you talking about Ferdinand?
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Post by Macmoish on Jul 9, 2012 19:38:36 GMT
We all must do what we can As just tweeted (Sorry CPR who detests tweeting! ) July 25 #MLS All Star Game V #Chelsea whose Captain #JohnTerry today went on Trial re alleged racial slurs goo.gl/O83eG #MLSAllStar Well obviously before that July 25 date, one way or the other, there will be a verdict.
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Post by cpr on Jul 9, 2012 21:06:41 GMT
So sick of this playground bs...Let him go elsewhere with Barton. are you talking about Ferdinand? Seconded! Who do you mean?
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Post by eusebio13 on Jul 9, 2012 21:31:58 GMT
lets get this straight, are we saying because you wind up JT he gets to racially abuse you?
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Post by Perivale_R on Jul 9, 2012 21:38:37 GMT
Terry's defence in court seems worse than when he was playing a high line for AVB.
Can't wait for the verdict. The FA will sanction him about one second later with the over/under on suspension time starting at Luis Suarez's ban.
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Post by fraserinbc on Jul 9, 2012 21:38:44 GMT
lets get this straight, are we saying because you wind up JT he gets to racially abuse you? It seems like that is JT's offence (which would be very odd), but they are claiming that AF asked JT if he called him a black c**t as part of the handbags they were having. The transcript of the trial does make the professional football pitch seem like a highly-paid school ground.
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Post by superckat on Jul 9, 2012 23:59:11 GMT
"However he said he was angered by any accusation that he might have used a racist insult. After the match, which took place at QPR's ground Loftus Road, Terry asked a steward to get Ferdinand from the QPR dressing room.
Terry said in his statement: 'It's myself, Anton and Ash (Ashley Cole), nobody else, and I said to Anton, "was you accusing me of calling you a black c***?"
'That was my exact words to him, and he said "No, not at all"
I think that statement could be why it could be difficult to find Terry guilty. Terry is a low life and obviously knew what he said and was probably looking at how to cover himself. Him arranging a meeting after the game with Anton, and Cole as a witness could give Terry the get out clause he is after.
The footage can confirm what he said, but can't confirm Terry's intentions. But his lawers will try and prove his intentions by claiming that the meeting with Cole as witness proves that Terry felt he was being accused by Anton.
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Post by fraserinbc on Jul 10, 2012 1:41:21 GMT
at the moment, in the public arena, it is very much a he said/he said situation. I'm guessing it all depends on what the SKY and Chelsea training cameras picked up, if anything.
For example, in the Daily Mail's reporting (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2171179/John-Terry-racism-trial-Footballs-ugly-laid-bare.html) it is stated:
"From other hidden angles at Sky’s disposal, the Crown alleges that Terry is seen using the words ‘f*** off, f*** off … f****** black c***, f****** knobhead.’
If that is the context before the usage of the racial epithet, then I can't see how Terry can argue that he was responding to something AF said.
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Post by Macmoish on Jul 10, 2012 6:45:18 GMT
The fact that Terry arranged the post-match meeting - something I'm sure he doesnt do after every match "encounter"...
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Post by Macmoish on Jul 10, 2012 6:47:03 GMT
Guardian/Caroline Davis John Terry case: racist abuse or sarcastic banter? Chelsea defender denies racially aggravated offence while Ferdinand tells court remarks were 'hurtful' , Monday 9 July 2012 15.54 EDT The Chelsea captain, John Terry, has denied racially abusing Queens Park Rangers's Anton Ferdinand, admitting that he used racist and offensive language but arguing that he only did so "sarcastically". Terry, 31, shouted "F*** off, F*** off ... F***ing black c**t, F***ing knobhead", at Ferdinand, 27, after being "goaded" by the QPR defender over an alleged affair with a "team-mate's missus", during the heated incident at Loftus Road, Westminster magistrates court heard. Terry did not deny using the racist language during the match on 23 October 2011, which was shown on television pictures broadcast to millions worldwide. Terry's case is the words were "uttered by way of sarcastic exclamation" in relation to a "perceived false accusation made by Mr Ferdinand to the effect that he, the defendant, had used the term 'black c**t'," said Duncan Perry, prosecuting. Terry denies a racially aggravated public order offence. The prosecution claimed that far from Terry repeating the insult with "exaggerated sarcasm", Terry's words were uttered as "an abusive insult demonstrating hostility based on Mr Ferdinand's membership of a racial group". Ferdinand, giving evidence, said he had not realised what Terry had said until after the match when the QPR centre-half's then girlfriend showed him YouTube footage on her BlackBerry. "It was very hurtful," and had he heard it at the time, he would have told officials, he said. He added being called "a c**t" was fine, "but when someone brings your colour into it, it takes it to another level and it's very hurtful". The court heard Chelsea were down to nine men when Terry and Ferdinand began trading insults over a penalty claim. As Terry sat in the glass-panelled dock, Ferdinand, stood in the witness box opposite, said: "He called me a c**t, and I called him a c**t back and he gave me a gesture as if to say my breath smelled." "I said to him 'How can you call me a c**t? You shagged your team-mates missus, you're a c**t," he added, a reference to Terry's alleged affair with Wayne Bridge's ex-girlfriend Vanessa Perroncel. As he jogged away, Ferdinand said he made a gesture – described in court as a "slow fist pump" and indicating sex. After the match, Ferdinand said Ashley Cole, Chelsea left back, told him he could not "talk to JT like that". Ferdinand said Terry asked him to go to the Chelsea dressing room. He said Terry asked him: "Do you think I racially abused you? I was like 'No. That never came out of my mouth'". Cole popped his head round and said: "Yeah, didn't you say that to me?", said Ferdinand. "I said 'I didn't say that at all". Ferdinand added he and Terry agreed it was "just handbags" – or banter – and shook hands. But later, at about 7pm, he saw the video footage on his girlfriend's BlackBerry. Cross examining Ferdinand, George Carter-Stephenson QC, for Terry, asked if he was "trying to get a rise out of Mr Terry" to get him to react on the pitch. Ferdinand replied: "Probably, yes." But he denied suggestions he decided to "up it" and add the racial allegations because Terry was not responding to his taunts. He also denied he had gone into the dressing room because he "felt guilty" about the allegations he had made. Examining footage, some of it broadcast on the day and some unbroadcast, Carter-Stephenson said Ferdinand must have been sworn at and "been called a F***ing knobhead" many times on the pitch. "Yes," replied Ferdinand. Asked why he was "reluctant" to involve police, Ferdinand said he had wanted it to be "dealt with by the FA" as it happened on the pitch. He had "no reason" to make up the allegation or add a racial element to provoke Terry, he said. Carter-Stephenson claimed Ferdinand's agent Justin Rigby said there was a fear that if no further action was taken, black footballers would see it as "a white man's word against a black man's word". He alleged Ferdinand decided to go to the police only when Rigby persuaded him to, a claim denied by the player. In a statement made to police last November, Terry said he was offended by the accusation that he had used racist language. It read: "While footballers are used to industrial language, using racist terms is completely unacceptable whatever [the] situation. "I was completely taken aback by this remark as I have never been accused of something like that and I did not take this remark lightly at all, and took strong offence to his suggestion." Susan Whitewood, a lip reader, told the court she examined footage and thought Ferdinand said "Oi, you," then his head was obscured by the referee, followed by "shagging your mate's missus", and then another word she could not make out. She said she believed she could see Terry saying: "Yeah, I [missing word and face obstructed] you F***ing black c**t [pause] F***ing knobhead", she said. Challenged by the defence over whether "you" could be "a", she agreed it was possible, but she was of the opinion it was the word "you". The case continues. www.guardian.co.uk/football/2012/jul/09/john-terry-case-racist-language
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Post by Macmoish on Jul 10, 2012 6:58:45 GMT
Guardian/Daniel Taylor John Terry case: football, racism and a four-letter word Chelsea player finally comes face-to-face with Anton Ferdinand over the incident that led to England losing their manager On the pavement outside Westminster magistrates court, a lone Chelsea fan in a replica shirt and baseball cap held up a life-size cardboard cut-out of John Terry and tried to attract the attention of the small army of photographers jostling for position behind the metal fences. Inside – up the stairs, turn right past the security guys and through the two sets of double doors – Terry sat behind the glass-walled dock of courtroom one. Wearing a pale grey suit, salmon-pink tie and polished shoes he could have been dressed for a summer wedding. Instead, he was face-to-face with Anton Ferdinand, the opponent he called a "F***ing black c**t" while playing for Chelsea in a Premier League match against QPR last October. It was the row, ultimately, that led to Terry losing the England captaincy – although he still played in Euro 2012 – which, in turn, brought about the dispute between Fabio Capello and the Football Association that saw the Italian resign as national team manager. And it all started from a dispute over a penalty-kick that was never given. Ferdinand was angry that Terry thought he should have been awarded one; Terry barged into him. The two players swapped insults. Terry waved his hand in front of his nose, as if to indicate that Ferdinand had bad breath. "Handbags," they agreed after the match. Banter, football stuff, shake hands and keep it on the pitch. But then it got serious. Ferdinand was shown some YouTube footage and told he was trending on Twitter. It had become "global news," as he put it. By the time court case 1103985595, listed as "John George Terry 07/12/80", had finished for its first day, it was difficult to recollect how many times, even roughly, the word "c**t" had been used. Forty? Fifty? One hundred? More? The only certainty was that it was going to be a difficult day for newspapers, radio and television when it came to their asterisk and bleeping policy. Early in his evidence, Ferdinand was unsure about whether or not he could swear in court. "It's a serious issue," the prosecutor Duncan Penny told him. "Please do not worry about the language, what did you call Mr Terry?" Ferdinand replied: "A c**t." And so it began. At times Ferdinand could be seen looking to his mother, Janice, and other relatives in the front row of the public gallery. Along from them sat Chelsea's chairman, Bruce Buck. Representatives from the football anti-racism and discrimination organisation Kick It Out, and the Football Association were also among the assorted media. The court had doled out tickets in the manner of a football club distributing press passes, and the queue of reporters turned away at the door was substantial. They missed an extraordinary day in which Ferdinand was asked at one point to demonstrate to the court precisely how he had gestured towards Terry on the pitch. He did so with a clenched fist, bending his elbow and delivering a pumping action. Asked what it was supposed to signify, Ferdinand replied: "A shag." And whose alleged shagging? That was covered, too. Terry's relationship with the partner of Wayne Bridge, his then Chelsea team-mate, provided the backdrop. "How can you call me a c**t?", Ferdinand said he had shouted at Terry. "You shagged your team-mate's missus, you're the c**t." That word again. "When someone calls you a c**t, that's fine," Ferdinand said. "When someone brings your colour into it, it takes it to another level." Terry could be seen taking down notes. At the end, he left with a large file of his legal team's paperwork under his arm. It was only a couple of weeks since he was being acclaimed as one of England's more impressive performers at Euro 2012. Before that, he had lifted the Champions League trophy with Chelsea, despite not playing in the final. Now he stands in a criminal court charged with using racially insulting words. His defence, we learned, was that while he did use the offending words, they were merely a "sarcastic exclamation", and he was responding indignantly to Ferdinand wrongly accusing him of racism on the pitch. Terry said he was angry at Ferdinand "questioning me being a racist." Outside, as the rush-hour traffic went past on Marylebone Road, the cardboard cut-out of "JT", as he was often referred to, had been badly propped against the court building's wall. It looked worn out. www.guardian.co.uk/football/2012/jul/09/john-terry-football-racism-word
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Post by superckat on Jul 10, 2012 7:52:07 GMT
at the moment, in the public arena, it is very much a he said/he said situation. I'm guessing it all depends on what the SKY and Chelsea training cameras picked up, if anything. For example, in the Daily Mail's reporting (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2171179/John-Terry-racism-trial-Footballs-ugly-laid-bare.html) it is stated: "From other hidden angles at Sky’s disposal, the Crown alleges that Terry is seen using the words ‘f*** off, f*** off … f****** black c***, f****** knobhead.’ If that is the context before the usage of the racial epithet, then I can't see how Terry can argue that he was responding to something AF said. Terry's defence is that he says this. f*** off! f*** off! f****** black c*** f****** knobhead. Is there enough evidence to prove that he didn't mean it like that. He knew exactly what he was doing when he got stewards to drag Anton out of the changing room. The guy is as guilty as hell. But can they prove he wasn't asking a question. They would probably need some body language expert to give evidence.
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Post by cpr on Jul 10, 2012 8:00:20 GMT
Daily Mail has five pages devoted to this story with numerous pictures yet no mention of signing Park. In fact, looking from the back page backwards, you'd think it was a Chels*** paper.
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Post by cpr on Jul 10, 2012 8:02:36 GMT
I would still like to know why the complainant isn't in court and not even mentioned anywhere.
This would have been "dealt with" by the FA yonks ago without the police becoming involved.
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Post by superckat on Jul 10, 2012 11:22:00 GMT
I would still like to know why the complainant isn't in court and not even mentioned anywhere. This would have been "dealt with" by the FA yonks ago without the police becoming involved. According to Sky reporter. The complainant was an off duty policeman watching the game on TV. Also Anton didn't want to get involved in the case. The police found it hard to get hold of him. When they managed to speak to him on 5th Nov he told the police. It's all on video let a jury decide.
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Post by eusebio13 on Jul 10, 2012 11:23:01 GMT
Latest Matt Dickinson tweets especially for CPR 6m Piara Powar @piarapowar Side development to the Terry case. LFC fans getting self-righteous in defence of Suarez. Again. Same old story. Retweeted by Matt Dickinson Expand Reply Retweet Favorite 9m Matt Dickinson @dickinsontimes Rigby told police that if the CPS did not pursue a charge, he would advise Ferdinand to take out civil case, court hears Expand Reply Retweet Favorite 11m Matt Dickinson @dickinsontimes Defence lawyer suggesting that Justin Rigby, Ferdinand's pr, played "active part" in police inquiries Expand Reply Retweet Favorite 20m the Inner Ring @inrng Cofidis's hotel is far away from all the others. A lot of journos will be dashing there. Radio says rider arrested is Rémi di Gregorio. Retweeted by Matt Dickinson Expand Reply Retweet Favorite 27m the Inner Ring @inrng Police raid the Cofidis team hotel at Tour de France after one rider arrested, two others in custody away from race in Marseille. Retweeted by Matt Dickinson Expand Reply Retweet Favorite 20m Matt Dickinson @dickinsontimes Ferdinand initially told police that "you don't need me... It's on tape... A jury can make up their mind." Expand Reply Retweet Favorite 27m David Brown @davidhbrown Anton #Ferdinand was reluctant to be in contact with police over John #Terry race investigation, court hears Retweeted by Matt Dickinson Expand Reply Retweet Favorite 29m Matt Dickinson @dickinsontimes Initial complaint re Terry came from an off-duty police officer Expand Reply Retweet Favorite 42m Matt Dickinson @dickinsontimes Terry told police the support he has given to Desailly and Drogba projects in Africa demonstrate he is not a racist Expand Reply Retweet Favorite 45m Matt Dickinson @dickinsontimes Terry told police he had become "somewhat immune" to abuse about his private life Expand Reply Retweet Favorite 46m Matt Dickinson @dickinsontimes Terry to police: "while footballers are used to industrial language, using racist terms is completely unacceptable whatever the situation" Expand Reply Retweet Favorite 51m Matt Dickinson @dickinsontimes Terry statement to police: "i am very much aware of my public obligations as England and Chelsea captain" Expand Reply Retweet Favorite 53m Matt Dickinson @dickinsontimes Tape finished, now to hear evidence from a DS Gibson about Terry's police interview Expand Reply Retweet Favorite 1h Matt Dickinson @dickinsontimes Terry says he could get 2000 character witnesses (to say he is not racist) Expand Reply Retweet Favorite 1h Matt Dickinson @dickinsontimes FA inquisitor says it is "not the most sensible" to repeat the FBC words. Terry says "i understand that" and would go to ref in future Expand Reply Retweet Favorite 1h Matt Dickinson @dickinsontimes Terry to FA: "i know i am being filmed when i say those words...you can say it doesn't look good but in the context..." Expand Reply Retweet Favorite 1h Matt Dickinson @dickinsontimes Terry to FA: "i am not here to make stuff up". Still going through taped interview Expand Reply Retweet Favorite 1h Matt Dickinson @dickinsontimes Terry told FA that separate tunnel fracas was caused by a QPR player giving him stick "about my mum" Expand Reply Retweet Favorite 1h Matt Dickinson @dickinsontimes Terry to FA: "i said to Ferdinand (at meeting the game) 'i didn't want you thinking of me in that way'" Expand Reply Retweet Favorite 1h Matt Dickinson @dickinsontimes Terry: "i said to Ash shortly after 'he's accused me of being a racist'" Expand Reply Retweet Favorite 1h Matt Dickinson @dickinsontimes Terry: "if i wanted to, i could whisper something in someone's ear. I have nothing to hide." Expand Reply Retweet Favorite 1h Matt Dickinson @dickinsontimes Terry: "i just heard 'calling me a black c**t' (from Ferdinand). I was quite taken aback by that." Expand Reply Retweet Favorite 1h Matt Dickinson @dickinsontimes Terry to FA: "i have been called a lot of things in my career but being racist is not one i am prepared to take at all." Expand Reply Retweet Favorite 1h Matt Dickinson @dickinsontimes Terry told FA: "he didn't smell or anything but i pretended" Expand Reply Retweet Favorite 1h Matt Dickinson @dickinsontimes Court being played FA interview with Terry from last October talking through the FBC, nobhead exchange Expand Reply Retweet Favorite 1h Matt Dickinson @dickinsontimes Court hears that Prozone was used to work out the distance between Terry and Ferdinand during altercation Expand Reply Retweet Favorite 2h Matt Dickinson @dickinsontimes Court being shown last 15 mins of that QPR-Chelsea match Expand Reply Retweet Favorite 2h David Brown @davidhbrown John #Terry has swapped grey suit with pink tie for traditional dark suit with black tie for his expected appearance in the witness box. Retweeted by Matt Dickinson Expand Reply Retweet Favorite 4h Matt Dickinson @dickinsontimes This is a serious trial but, as coverage reflects, it also features grown men squabbling over bad breath, shagging and who said 'c**t' first Expand Reply Retweet Favorite 4h Matt Dickinson @dickinsontimes Back at Westminster Mags wondering if we will have to send out for more emergency supplies of asterisks Collapse Reply Retweet Favorite
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Post by cpr on Jul 10, 2012 11:32:06 GMT
Thanks for that Eus, now about this geezer picked up in the bike racing thing...... Ferdinand signed his statement in Soho, lol, leads a nomadic life outside football.
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Post by cpr on Jul 10, 2012 11:33:00 GMT
His "then girlfriend" showed him the youtube footage.
"then girlfriend"
Anything to do with Terry?
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