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Post by Macmoish on Jul 3, 2012 19:21:26 GMT
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Post by obk on Jul 3, 2012 20:48:11 GMT
Disgusting, media companies are just disgusting.
Why don't they try to promote other teams while Rangers climb their way back? Give Aberdeen, the Edinburgh clubs etc. more time on tv, let them try to build their brands. Try making the scottish league MORE interesting and not less. Perhaps in time it could be a blessing, perhaps one or two other clubs could rise and be a worthy challenger once Rangers are back and there would be 3-4 clubs fighting instead of two...
Unlikely I know, but this is still disgusting.
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Post by Macmoish on Jul 4, 2012 7:20:31 GMT
GUARDIAN/David Conn Fate of new Rangers uncertain as Scottish League clubs delay decision • Hampden meeting told of potential 'financial meltdown' • Participants decide to hold definitive vote on 12 July A stormy seven-hour meeting of the Scottish Football League at Hampden Park concluded with no clear view about whether the clubs will accept a newly formed Rangers into the SFL First Division next season, or insist that it starts life in the third. In a day of fierce politicking, SFL clubs were warned of financial meltdown if the SFL does not allow Rangers into the First Division. Neil Doncaster, chief executive of the SPL, presented the prospect of BSkyB and ESPN unravelling the £80m five-year TV deal, due to begin this season, if Rangers are in the Third Division. After a meeting described by the SFL itself as "full and forthright", the clubs agreed they will take a definitive vote on Rangers on 12 July. Rangers' financial collapse, then the acquisition of its assets – Ibrox and the training ground – by a new company with the businessman Charles Green as chief executive, has brought the Scottish game close to tearing itself apart. A majority of SPL clubs, due to meet on Wednesday, have stated their opposition to accepting Green's newly formed Rangers next season. The SPL and the SFA executive then formed the view that having a new Rangers in the First Division would be an appropriate sanction for the club's financial implosion, which led to its administration in February and liquidation last month. Doncaster told the SFL clubs that the TV companies and sponsors could live with no Old Firm matches, by far the most viewed, for a probable one season, but not for a minimum of three, which would be the case if Rangers were to start in the Third Division. However a number of SFL clubs have stated their opposition to allowing Rangers into the First Division and said they must apply as a new club to the third. They argue that no special case should be made for Rangers, particularly given the scandals and bad debt in the club's collapse. Before the meeting, Raith Rovers' chairman, Turnbull Hutton, described Scottish football as "corrupt", saying the SFL clubs were being threatened into accepting Rangers in the First Division. Last week the SFL chief executive, David Longmuir, sent a proposal arguing strongly that clubs should allow Rangers into the First Division. He warned that if they did not, to avoid "financial collapse", the SPL would colonise the First Division itself, form an SPL2, and have the new Rangers in it. Longmuir's document stated that if the new Rangers were to begin in the Third Division, £16m, one year's TV money, would be lost, and the agreement by which the SPL pays the SFL £2m a season would be at "major risk." After the meeting, the SFL said in a statement that its clubs were "fully briefed on a number of scenarios," and: "We are now allowing clubs time to reflect on the information before asking them to make any formal decision." www.guardian.co.uk/football/2012/jul/04/rangers-first-third-division-scottish-league
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Post by Macmoish on Jul 4, 2012 7:21:13 GMT
The Guardian Stranraer and Stirling against newco Rangers joining First Division • Two clubs say Rangers must apply for Third Division • SFL clubs meet on Tuesday, SPL on Wednesday Two more Scottish Football League clubs, Stranraer and Stirling, have come out against the idea of a newco Rangers joining the First Division amid speculation that some Premier League clubs are on the verge of a u-turn. Stranraer and Stirling said Charles Green's club should have to apply for membership of the Third Division, ahead of Tuesday morning's Hampden meeting of SFL clubs. Six others have already stated their opposition while Airdrie have said they will abstain from any vote as they would be promoted should the Ibrox club be denied SPL and First Division status. No vote will be taken at Tuesday's meeting but the SPL clubs will be hugely interested in any feedback 24 hours ahead of their vote on Green's SPL application. Seven SPL clubs have already publicly confirmed their opposition but Green says he is confident chairmen will listen to his pleas to consider the impact on Scottish football if Rangers are removed. Reports on Tuesday morning claim Green, who met several SPL clubs over the weekend, has offered a six-point plan to secure top-flight football including a points deduction and making a public apology on behalf of the oldco club. A document presented to SFL clubs includes a claim that the Third Division option could cost Scottish football £16m and Green hopes SPL clubs will now balk at the consequences of rejecting his bid. Green told the Rangers website: "I know the chairmen will listen. The problem some of them have to a lesser degree than I have here is fan pressure. "We think the important thing is Scottish football and we need to draw a line and move forward. There are some big decisions and none are more material than Rangers being excluded from the league and the financial incomes this club drives for the benefit of all Scottish clubs." www.guardian.co.uk/football/2012/jul/03/stranraer-stirling-rangers-first-division-spl
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Post by obk on Jul 4, 2012 8:02:42 GMT
You would think Rangers as a club would have some dignity and pride. If they get to start in division 1, they will always be remembered as cheats.
It's refreshing though that they speak openly about this, it's no question about it. It is all about money first should they agree to this, so then we all know it - money comes first and big clubs are more important and treated in a special way.
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Post by nzhoop on Jul 4, 2012 9:22:00 GMT
Stranraer and Stirling and Berwick Rangers are a few of the clubs that Rangers , some years ago suggested should "fold' due to NOT having big enough home gates . So it looks like a case of what goes around comes around . I have been to many a Rangers game , and feel they should be punished , but there so big , other clubs will be punished to . Motherwell get 37% of there income from TV rights , then add on there gate receipts from Rangers games , thats a lot of money they will loose as , SKY TV have said if Rangers are not in the SPL , they will reconsider there investment . So my Celtic mate tells me . Also , who would invest in a league where teams are playing for "Second place " . If Rangers get kicked out , Celtic will win the league for many years to come .
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Post by bp on Jul 4, 2012 10:34:25 GMT
Stranraer and Stirling and Berwick Rangers are a few of the clubs that Rangers , some years ago suggested should "fold' due to NOT having big enough home gates . So it looks like a case of what goes around comes around . I have been to many a Rangers game , and feel they should be punished , but there so big , other clubs will be punished to . Motherwell get 37% of there income from TV rights , then add on there gate receipts from Rangers games , thats a lot of money they will loose as , SKY TV have said if Rangers are not in the SPL , they will reconsider there investment . So my Celtic mate tells me . Also , who would invest in a league where teams are playing for "Second place " . If Rangers get kicked out , Celtic will win the league for many years to come . So because Rangers FC acted corruptly for years SkyTV can just tear up their contract with the SPL??? They should be put in the Highland league, nevermind SFL3. That club have stolen from you and me never mind their own fans and suppliers and if it was an individual who had done so, they would be serving time. Green bleats on about how unfair it all is, what downright effrontery. He has just bought a massive club with no debts for relative peanuts. Rangers will be no worse off bar TV money, in fact as they wont be funding debts via interest they will probably be better off. The true state of finances in the Scottish game means that even Celtic can't compete financially with a single Prem side or half the Championship. The only thing Rangers will miss out on is European money and it doesn't matter how much they winge, they know EUFA will not let them play for 3 years. They should come in at the bottom and should be made to give a % of their home gates to the clubs they play in Div 3 and then Div 2 as it is just a formality that they will rise back again. I can't believe they are so stupid to be carrying on this attempt to get back in as high as possible up the Scottish league ladder. They should and could be screaming about how they are regretting their previous actions and how they are now going to start at the bottom and help the smaller clubs by offering a small % of their home gate monies to help fund the SFL at the lower levels. They should be announcing how they are, without wishing to denigrate the lower league clubs, going to attempt to remain unbeaten until they return to the Premier league. That alone would create interest for the TV watchers, because who would not want to see Elgin, Peterhead, Annan or whoever take points off them. Rangers are missing a golden chance to become one of the most liked clubs in football and they are doing it for what?
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Post by rangerray on Jul 4, 2012 10:39:13 GMT
How will Rangers get a team together, given that so many players have walked? I would have thought that 10 suitable replacements have to cost at least £5 million in fees (even free players exect a sign on fee) which is as much as Green paid to buy the club.
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Post by bp on Jul 4, 2012 10:42:04 GMT
How will Rangers get a team together, given that so many players have walked? I would have thought that 10 suitable replacements have to cost at least £5 million in fees (even free players exect a sign on fee) which is as much as Green paid to buy the club. Season ticket money. And then pay what you can afford inc' tax. He was willing to pay 9 or 10 mil if they went thru a CVA.
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Post by Macmoish on Jul 4, 2012 11:24:16 GMT
The Courier ''Suddenly 'diddy clubs' rule'' — Raith chief says SFL clubs are being forced to fix SPL's problems Raith Rovers director Turnbull Hutton reckons SFL clubs have been ''lied to, bullied and threatened'' as attempts by the SFA and SPL to parachute a newco Rangers into the First Division gathered pace. www.thecourier.co.uk/Sport/Football/article/23678/suddenly-diddy-clubs-rule-raith-chief-says-sfl-clubs-are-being-forced-to-fix-spl-s-problems.html?Scottish football continues to wrestle with the fall-out from Rangers' collapse. By Craig Smith The Stark's Park supremo is leading the criticism of the ''bizarre'' situation SFL clubs have suddenly found themselves in. Turnbull Hutton. SPL clubs are due to vote on the top-flight application at a meeting today, but it is thought they may defer and wait for the outcome of a vote by SFL clubs on the issue is due to be held next Thursday. Whatever happens, Hutton reckons it should never have come to this. He said: ''I could have spent seven or eight hours more profitably than spending it at Hampden today. I don't think we're any further forward and the pressure is building on the SFL clubs to vote on a problem that has absolutely nothing to do with SFL clubs. ''The SPL are the ones who 14 years ago broke away to the promised land and left us 'diddy clubs' to flounder. Now that the great experiment has crashed around their ears on the back of the Rangers demise, they are incapable of reaching a decision themselves. ''Suddenly the only people who can save Scottish football are the SFL clubs and it is a bizarre situation. It is a situation that is not of our making, we have been ignored for years and suddenly 'diddy clubs' rule.'' Both Dunfermline and Dundee are anxiously waiting to discover what league they will be playing in next term but decisions made in the coming days will have huge ramifications for all member clubs. SFL clubs have been told that dumping Rangers into the Third Division would take £16 million out of the Scottish game, while a document outlining the various options open to lower league chairmen suggested ''financial meltdown'' would occur if Gers were refused entry into the SFL at any level. However, after talks at Hampden on Tuesday, Hutton said: ''I think there's a certain scepticism about that doomsday scenario, the meltdown of Scottish football and the threat of liquidation to clubs. ''It was made clear at the start of the meeting that it was an information-giving exercise, but then there was a move to get clubs to give an indication as to the way they would vote. It's tail wagging dog.'' Prior to the Hampden meeting, newco Rangers chairman Malcolm Murray had issued an ''unreserved'' apology for the ''distress, disruption and difficulty'' inflicted on Scottish football as a result of the current mess. However, the apparent sweetener did not go down well with SFL representatives, as Courier Sport understands the proposal outlined was ''badly received'' by chairmen. Clubs have been warned that if they fail to vote the newco into the First Division, a breakaway SPL2 will be created. First Division newcomers Cowdenbeath have arranged a meeting with their fans at Central Park tonight to get their views on the SFL proposal to allow newco Rangers to start in the First Division. The Fife club — whose chairman is Donald Findlay QC, a former vice-chairman of Rangers — wants to hear what its own fans are saying before reaching a decision on how to vote. Cowden secretary Alex Anderson said: ''We will be meeting our supporters' club representatives on Wednesday night, by which time we will know the official decision of the Premier League clubs.'' East Fife have stated their strong opposition to a Rangers newco entering at First Division level, while Second Division Brechin have remained tight-lipped on which way they plan to vote, although the Glebe Park side will discuss the proposals in full at their next management committee meeting on Thursday and at the members' AGM on July 11. www.thecourier.co.uk/Sport/Football/article/23678/suddenly-diddy-clubs-rule-raith-chief-says-sfl-clubs-are-being-forced-to-fix-spl-s-problems.html?
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Post by nzhoop on Jul 4, 2012 11:27:46 GMT
, because who would not want to see Elgin, Peterhead, Annan or whoever take points off them.
Rangers are missing a golden chance to become one of the most liked clubs in football and they are doing it for what?
I dont thinK Rangers really care who likes them or not mate . And if a TV company was to invest in Div 3 , they would not just have to show Rangers v Elgin , but have to show Peterhead v Annan , and that is not going to be a audience puller is it ??..They couldnt just show Rangers games .
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Post by Macmoish on Jul 4, 2012 11:29:54 GMT
Glasgow Rangers Official Site We're Sorry Tue, Jul 3, 2012 Tweet By Andrew Dickson RANGERS chairman Malcolm Murray has apologised to Scottish football on behalf of the club for the problems the Light Blues' financial crisis has caused in recent months. Even though the current regime at Ibrox has nothing to say sorry for, he feels it is only right to do so and he spoke with humility at the training ground today. Appointed into his new position towards the end of last month, Murray has moved to express regret at the way things have unfolded in one of his first acts at the helm. He spoke at Murray Park this morning and you can see David Melvin's interview with him now on RangersTV.tv for free if you register on the website first. Murray said: "The last few months have been extremely difficult for everyone at Rangers - staff, players and, most importantly, the supporters of the club who have been magnificent in the face of adversity. "That said, all of us within the Rangers family are acutely aware that events at our club, brought about by people who are no longer here, have triggered a crisis in Scottish football. "Ally McCoist, the staff and players have nothing to apologise for but the club needs to make an apology. It is only right that someone at Rangers expresses our sorrow and regret. "On behalf of the new board of directors, I apologise unreservedly to all for the distress, disruption and difficulty inflicted on the football community, caused entirely by the actions of people who failed miserably to act responsibly during their stewardship of Rangers. "All of Scottish football is now having to live with the consequences of that behaviour and every true Rangers fan will consider it a matter of deep regret that events at our club in the past have been the root cause of an extremely difficult time for Scottish football. "The people who are now running Rangers Football Club want the club to move forward but we cannot do so until we have recognised how damaging to football the crisis at our club has been. "We want to rebuild Rangers but we also want to ensure the club plays a role that is beneficial to Scottish football, the Scottish economy and Scottish life in general." www.rangers.co.uk/news/football-news/article/2830556
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Post by Macmoish on Jul 4, 2012 11:32:22 GMT
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Post by Macmoish on Jul 4, 2012 13:56:18 GMT
Rejected... AP Scottish Premier League clubs vote to reject bid by reformed Rangers to play in division GLASGOW, Scotland — Glasgow Rangers will not be playing in the Scottish Premier League next season as a result of the club’s financial meltdown, a move that likely ensures rival Celtic will win the title. The SPL says clubs on Wednesday “voted overwhelmingly” to reject a bid by a reformed Rangers to stay in the division The 140-year-old club has won a record 54 domestic league titles but has tax debts of 21 million pounds ($32.7 million) and entered bankruptcy protection in February. Failure to secure agreement with tax authorities led to Rangers chairman Charles Green purchasing the club’s assets in a 5.5 million pound ($8.6 million) deal and establishing a new company. Celtic and Rangers have won every league title since Aberdeen in 1985 and no other club has finished as high as second since Hearts in 2006. www.washingtonpost.com/sports/dcunited/scottish-premier-league-clubs-vote-to-reject-bid-by-reformed-rangers-to-play-in-division/2012/07/04/gJQA7i68MW_story.htmlBBC
Rangers newco refused SPL entry after chairmen voteRangers will not play in the Scottish Premier League this season. SPL chairmen met at Hampden to vote on the club's application to replace the old Rangers in the top flight. A league spokesman said: "Clubs voted overwhelmingly to reject the application from Rangers newco to join the SPL." The reformed Ibrox club are now expected to play in the Scottish Football League but it is not clear which division they will enter. Use accessible player and disable flyout menus Interview - SPL chief executive Neil Doncaster Rangers FC plc entered administration in February owing up to £134m to unsecured creditors. The company will eventually be liquidated and has been replaced by a new company. There is uncertainty about who will replace Rangers in the SPL. Dunfermline, who were relegated last season, or First Division runners-up Dundee. SFL clubs met on Tuesday to discuss a proposal for Rangers to enter Division One but the Glasgow giants could begin season 2012-13 in Division Three if that idea does not gain the support of a majority of clubs. Eleven out of the 30 clubs have already indicated their opposition to Rangers entering Division One, with a vote scheduled to take place on 12 July. Eight SPL clubs had already gone public with their opposition to a Rangers newco entering the top flight ahead of Wednesday's vote, with an 8-4 majority required for the application to be successful. Rangers crisis explained Rangers went into administration owing up to £134m to unsecured creditors and will eventually be liquidated As a result its registrations with the Scottish FA and Scottish Premier League were terminated Charles Green led a consortium which bought Rangers' assets for £5.5m The former Sheffield United chief executive is reforming Rangers as a new company But the 'newco' did not get the required votes for re-admittance to the SPL Instead the new Rangers could start life in Scottish Division One The ballot came amid warnings about the future of Scottish football should Rangers drop to Division Three. SPL chief executive Neil Doncaster said prior to Wednesday's meeting that three options were available regarding where Rangers should play next season. He said: "The three viable options are effectively: bringing 'newco' Rangers back into the SPL with a range of appropriate sanctions; putting Rangers into the second tier of Scottish football; or Rangers going into the bottom of the pyramid into Division Three. "The third option, I was keen to stress yesterday, would inflict massive damage on the whole of the game in Scotland and effectively punish 41 innocent clubs for the misdeeds of one." Regarding the possibility of Rangers heading down to the First Division next season, Doncaster added: "There's lots of things that need to happen before that might take place. "The SFL clubs will be meeting again next Thursday and will be voting on that. It remains to be seen how that plays out." www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/18703183
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Post by Jon Doeman on Jul 4, 2012 14:37:49 GMT
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Post by Macmoish on Jul 4, 2012 14:45:31 GMT
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Post by Macmoish on Jul 4, 2012 18:34:45 GMT
NOOOOO! ITV Rangers fans accuse others of malicePublished: Wed Jul 4 2012, 7.29PM Rangers fans accuse others of malice The Rangers Supporters' Trust have accused other Clydesdale Bank Premier League clubs of acting out of "malice" by refusing the application from the newco club to play in the SPL next season. A meeting of all 12 SPL clubs took place on Wednesday and it was decided Charles Green's new Rangers would not be allowed to compete in the top flight. Mark Dingwall, as spokesman for the Trust, now believes entering the club in the Irn-Bru Third Division is the only option. He said: "We are disappointed but not surprised by this decision which has been taken out of malice rather than for the greater good of the Scottish game. This decision is also a massive social blow as refusing entry to the SPL will likely result in job cuts at the club as well as damage the local Glasgow economy. "The decision has absolutely nothing to do with sporting integrity as if it was the club would be joining the SFL in the third division rather than being parachuted into the first division. "If Steven Thomson, Rod Petrie, Stuart Milne and the other SPL chairman who voted to refuse Rangers entry into the SPL are serious about sporting integrity then they too will insist on the club starting again from the bottom of the football league. "If Rangers are to enter the football league then we must do so with integrity by joining the third division and working our way up." Dingwall was scathing in his views on the decision taken by the SPL and feels the club has now been punished enough for previous wrongdoing. "The SPL in one hand claims to be protecting sporting integrity yet in the other is trying to enforce a shameful solution that is solely designed to protect their self-interest," he said. "Given that new-found desire of most SPL chairmen to listen to fans they will surely take on board the findings of the recent survey of Rangers season-ticket holders which shows that 80% of fans think Rangers should join Division Three. "When the club does enter the SFL the ridiculous and Draconian transfer embargo must be lifted. The club currently has only 13 first-team squad players and if it is to be able to properly compete next season and move on from this saga then it needs to be able to sign players." www.itv.com/sport/football/news/rangers-fans-accuse-others-of-malice-15174/
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Post by bp on Jul 5, 2012 5:18:10 GMT
I dont thinK Rangers really care who likes them or not mate . And if a TV company was to invest in Div 3 , they would not just have to show Rangers v Elgin , but have to show Peterhead v Annan , and that is not going to be a audience puller is it ??..They couldnt just show Rangers games . I am certain Rangers FC don't give a toss who likes them, I was just suggesting they are missing an opportunity to be liked and respected. I also never suggested Peterhead v Annan was a mass TV audience puller. SkyTV already has the rights to show that game if they decided to. This morning a poll of Rangers FC season ticket holders showed that 80% want to to start again in SFL3. But once again you also get Jock McNobody bleating on about how unfair it is that players have unilaterally upped sticks and abandoned the bastion of integrity that is Rangers FC. Costing the club maybe £10 mil. Ignoring the fact that any time in the last 5 years while they were accepting goods from suppliers and not paying for them and illegally withholding tax they could have sold any number of players to pay their debts. Now, having officially been voted out of the SPL. They have the audacity to say that keeping Rangers FC out of the SPL will cost the Scottish game and local community in jobs £20 mil , choosing to ignore the £150 mil that Rangers FC have, for want of a better word, stolen from the local community in unpaid bills and taxes. I don't have a problem with Rangers FC other than the completely unjustifiable way that the club has been run over the last so many years. It has been corrupt and again I say if it was in any other form of finance, other than banking in which corruption is the name of the game, you would be in the dock expecting a long custodial sentence. God, I am sounding more like 'Ingham' every day.
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Post by obk on Jul 5, 2012 5:28:26 GMT
BP, that is because Ingham usually has very valid points and I completely agree with you on the Rangers issue. Especially regarding how the broadcasting companies react and that Rangers are missing out on an opportunity.
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Post by Macmoish on Jul 5, 2012 5:28:29 GMT
David Conn/The Guardian Rangers' future now in the voting hands of Scottish Football League Dire warnings have been delivered about the damage to Scottish football's finances if Rangers were three divisions below the SPL The future of the Rangers name rests with a vote of the Scottish Football League after the Scottish Premier League's 11 clubs voted "overwhelmingly" not to accept a newly-formed Rangers club into the SPL next season. The issue of what to do next about Rangers, who have collapsed into liquidation and whose assets – Ibrox and a training ground – have been bought for £5.5m by a company with the businessman Charles Green as its chief executive, is tearing Scottish football apart. Rangers dominated the SPL since the top league was formed as a financially-driven breakaway from the SFL in 1998, and Rangers, Celtic and the Old Firm matches between the Glasgow giants are the financial mainstays of the SPL's TV and sponsorship deals. However, the clubs' rejection of Green's application came after the Scottish Football Association stated it would not sanction the inclusion in the SPL of a Rangers newly formed by Green's company next season. In a statement following the meeting at Hampden Park, the SPL said: "SPL clubs today voted overwhelmingly to reject the application from Rangers newco to join the SPL." Several clubs in the SFL's three divisions have argued that on principle, any new club should apply to join the Third Division, and many fans, outraged at Rangers' failure to pay up to £140m of creditors, have strongly expressed that same view. However, the SPL's chief executive, Neil Doncaster, has delivered dire warnings about the damage to Scottish football's finances if a Rangers club were to be three divisions below the SPL. At an SFL meeting on Tuesday, Doncaster told clubs that the Sky and ESPN TV deals, worth £80m for five years from this coming season, depend on Old Firm matches, and sponsors also have the right to walk away if one of the Old Firm is not in the SPL. That prospect underlies Doncaster's insistence that the SPL would lose £16m and, with players' wages and other bills to pay, suffer financial collapse if Rangers are in the Third Divison. He warned that the SPL would then struggle to meet the settlement payment it makes to the SFL, by agreement after the top clubs broke away, now £2m a season. Doncaster argues that the integrity of competition is recognised by not allowing a re-formed Rangers into the SPL, but pragmatically one of the two Glasgow great names cannot be in the Third Division. The compromise he has been seeking is for the SFL to accept Green's newco Rangers into the First Division; Doncaster believes Sky, ESPN and sponsors could accommodate a league without Rangers for a minimum of one season, but not three. It has, however, enraged some SFL clubs that the SPL has talked of inviting the First Division to join it in a breakaway, as SPL2, if a majority of SFL clubs do not accept Rangers into the First Division. The SFL clubs, among whom feelings are running high, will meet on 12 July to take a vote. Its decision will have a profound impact on Rangers and Scottish football, which, three weeks before the start of the SFL season, is in a state of infighting close to paralysis. www.guardian.co.uk/football/2012/jul/04/rangers-future-scottish-vote
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Post by bp on Jul 5, 2012 5:43:15 GMT
Ahh, just reading thru' I see that Rangers FC have a transfer embargo still in place. As obscene as it would be for them to ignore the debts they owe, they have to have a team to play where ever they finally end up. Even I would let them bring in players on 'Frees' of which there will many available and that is not only including the our batch of surplus to requirements bench warmers.
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Post by Lonegunmen on Jul 5, 2012 5:49:23 GMT
I'm with Bill on this one. Rangers should be in the highland league. The owners knew what they were doing, they just got caught with their hands in the cookie jar.
Mind you the SPL was always a two team league anyway. What makes me laugh is every year they appear in the Champions League and almost every year fail at the first hurdle. Showing that money and large attendances against weak SPL teams week in and week out, cannot substitute for the hard games they need for a serious European campaign
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Post by ingham on Jul 5, 2012 8:52:10 GMT
Even starting in the Highland League, Rangers would generate a perfectly satisfactory income - and a legitimate one for a change - and would increase takings for the smaller Clubs.
I think bp is right that they might make friends for showing that some things are more important than the next slice of TV money.
And what good has this slavish adoration of other people's money done them?
Once they reached the semi-final (maybe more than once) of the European Cup, with Jim Baxter et al - but now?
Once, Scotland produced fine teams, with marvellous players, who impressed in the Scottish League and seemed almost omnipresent in England.
Now they don't make a ripple in international tournaments. The same is happening to England, with a vast chasm opening up between the national team and Spain.
Perhaps they would be obliged to find or develop BETTER PLAYERS, instead of simply signing overpaid and undperforming nonentities, if the quality of the football was what mattered.
They were about the equal of Spain, perhaps better, in the 1950s and 1960s, as England were. Now we all know the gap between Scotland and England and Spain is about as big as that between Highland League attendances and those at Ibrox.
In the 1950s and early 1960s, the other Scottish clubs frequently dislodged the Old Firm, with Hibs, Aberdeen, Hearts, Dundee and Kilmarnock winning the title, I think. Now, it seems impossible.
Who loses if Rangers are demoted? Green, yes. Officials riding the gravy train of debt, probably. I doubt that anyone else does. Certainly not in the long run. All the talk about how much money they will lose, but with all their unpaid debts, they couldn't compete, so what's the difference?
It will make them look like cheats, like the bankers and politicians who simply brush away their own misdeeds on the basis that they must be permitted to do as they please, we must pay for it, and they'll screw things up even more if anyone dares to call them to account.
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Post by qprvancouver on Jul 7, 2012 5:22:59 GMT
Rangers will be fine. All of these numb nutted club chairmen in Scotland have got give their heads a shake. All of this bleating from their moral high ground about sporting integrity makes me want to barf. There is damn little sporting integrity in football. They are going to regret getting what they think they wanted as we see supposedly viable clubs start sucking wind without the Rangers revenue. Put Rangers in the 3rd Division and let the Alloas, Annans and Elgins of the league enjoy some good revenue opportunities while St Mirren, Inverness and the rest start dying by a thousand cuts. The Rangers brand will recover and the faithful should remember the extraordinary level of punishment imposed on Rangers when they are back in the SPL. The Bluenoses should stay away from every away game 4 years from now. and see how that suits them all. Revenge is truly a dish best served cold.
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Post by fraserinbc on Jul 7, 2012 6:53:38 GMT
the extraordinary level of punishment imposed on Rangers when they are back in the SPL. Is it an extraordinary punishment? They are essentially a new team, from what I can gather, and us such being able to play in the SPL would have been reprehensible. The English leagues have plenty of examples of new teams, born out of old teams, starting on the bottom rung.
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Post by blueeyedcptcook on Jul 7, 2012 8:05:19 GMT
If the "new" Rangers, should start in the 3rd division, their first match may be!! Queens Park v Rangers.
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Post by terryb on Jul 7, 2012 20:05:04 GMT
"Meet the new Gers, same as the old Gers."
I can't believe the arrogance of this "new" club. Believing that they could start at the highest level in their country!
Do they not understand how important the rules that they broke are to football? Or to most forms of life?
They expected to be forgiven & not punished for the most blatant cheating that I have come across in our sport.
Glasgow Rangers need Scottish football a lot more than Scottish football needs them & it is about time that the admisistrators north of the border realised this.
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Post by Macmoish on Jul 8, 2012 6:57:37 GMT
Guardian -Ewan Murray
Rangers dilemma piles pressure on Scottish league clubs in toxic saga
Fans are against the Glasgow club being readmitted to the top tier, leaving SFL members with a terrible dilemmaThe scale of the crisis engulfing Scottish football is such that it would be bold to assert the new season will actually get under way as scheduled. Lost in the melee of the never-ending and routinely toxic Rangers affair is the imminent scrap between Dundee and Dunfermline over who will replace the fallen Glasgow giants in the Scottish Premier League, which could become a legal battle. There have been various culpable parties in Rangers' slump into liquidation, the overwhelming majority of them having had a previous connection to the Ibrox club. Last week Malcolm Murray, the new chairman, issued an extensive apology on behalf of Rangers for a string of damaging events. There is no doubt Rangers' previous attempts to shift blame for their troubles has been detrimental to their hopes of garnering external support. What also cannot be disputed is that those in charge of some Scottish Football League clubs are guilty of no wrongdoing whatsoever in this sorry saga. Yet it is towards these clubs that focus, pressure and in some cases intimidation will shift at the end of this week. It should not concern Peterhead, Forfar Athletic or Albion Rovers what league Rangers will begin the new campaign in but because of weak leadership higher up Scottish football that is the reality. The Scottish Premier League's decision on Wednesday to reject an application from a newco Rangers to be included among the elite represented a rare modern-day case of supporters influencing boardroom policy. Fans had made clear their vehement objection to Rangers being readmitted to the SPL, leaving their chairmen with a terrible dilemma. They decided that offending, and possibly losing, their own customers was not worth risking just to retain the commercial clout of Rangers – that is, Sky's influence in the SPL's TV income. Sky seek four Old Firm games per season as part of their agreed but as yet unsigned extension to an SPL agreement. Amid page after page of emotive language, the upshot is that those in the SFL are in the unenviable position of voting on whether or not Rangers should start at the bottom of their setup, Division Three, or be parachuted into the First Division. The latter option is touted as preferable to SPL clubs and their broadcasting partners, whose own silence on the topic is one of countless disappointing issues. Sky would object to the claim that they can dictate terms to Scottish clubs, but with so many of them in a perilous financial position, it is a fair inference. The odds are just in favour of Rangers appearing in the tier immediately below the elite, however a deal can be cut to achieve that. It appears a simple case of calling Ally McCoist's bluff now that the Rangers manager has said the Third Division may be the most reasonable stage to restart Ibrox life. Cue panic from some of those further up Scottish football's food chain. Unsurprisingly, there are anomalies and ironies within this tale. It seems curious that so many teams should make noises about financial Armageddon for their business without Rangers or TV money. Given the recently compact, competitive nature of the SPL outside the Glasgow clubs, it would only be sensible if the others had a worst-case financial plan in the event of suffering relegation and failing to instantly return to the top flight. If the upshot of such a scenario would be pushing clubs towards the brink of closure then bad management has occurred somewhere along the line. The former manager of Rangers, Walter Smith, said Scottish football would benefit without the Ibrox club, which he wanted to play in a European league. It must also be remembered that the SPL showed little regard for the rest of Scottish football when breaking away to form their own self-interested clique in 1998. The SPL's failure to operate a reasonable promotion and relegation system has blunted competition and damaged footballing standards lower down the scale; some will raise a smile, then, given that the top clubs now need support from those they have done precious little to engage with previously. The collective inability to settle on Rangers' fate has only illustrated a lack of suitable governance within the Scottish game. Not one body has taken responsibility. Should financial meltdown have happened to a smaller club, its fate would have been settled long ago. It would be folly to ignore the commercial issues and pressures attached to the affair. Yet a fine opportunity for much-needed restructuring, redistribution of wealth and attracting people back to matches is in serious danger of being passed up as Rangers' carcass is picked over. This includes those who have no interest whatsoever in the long-term health of Scottish football but want Rangers battered around the head simply for reasons of spite. Stewart Regan, the Scottish FA's chief executive, was criticised after bizarrely stating there could be "civil unrest" if Scottish society proceeded without Rangers. There has been no such bother. Restless night after restless night for those in charge of Scottish football clubs? Another matter entirely. THE THREE OPTIONS 1. Start in First Division The option favoured by SPL clubs and, it is thought, Sky Television, which would retain their broadcast agreement in the hope Rangers return to the top flight after just one season in the second tier of Scottish football. Despite opposition from First Division sides, this is still the most likely outcome. 2. Drop to third tier The Scottish FA have estimated a cost of around £16m to the game if Rangers were to start the season in the bottom tier of the professional game north of the border. Yet the Rangers manager Ally McCoist has now spoken out in support of the plan and there would be an obvious short-term financial boost to third division clubs. 3. Delay start to the season The planned SPL start date of 4 August is looming ever closer, meaning a delayed or disrupted start to the campaign cannot be ruled out with the Rangers saga continuing. There must also be a remote possibility that the Rangers situation remains unresolved in time for them to compete at any level in the new season. www.guardian.co.uk/football/blog/2012/jul/07/rangers-scottish-football-league
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2012 7:03:25 GMT
One thing for sure with only 4 weeks to the start of the scottish season they need to sort this out a bit sharpish
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Post by Macmoish on Jul 8, 2012 18:35:15 GMT
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