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Post by harbo on Feb 12, 2012 3:38:08 GMT
What has it achieved so far? A win against the worst team in the league, throwing away leads and humiliating performances against the likes of F***ing Blackburn. Hughes has NOT improved the defence it is as shit if not worse than before just look at the goals we are conceding. Hughes has NOT improved team morale, they look as flat and lacking confidence as they did 2 months ago. Hughes has NOT done anything Warnock couldn't have done. I am not blaming Hughes alone, the players are letting him down just like they let down NW. But Hughes appointment and more importantly warnocks sacking shows me that Fernandes is not a football man. He hasn't got a clue. His heart is in the right place but in times where chairman show faith in their managers like wolves have, like Blackburn have, like Bolton have, it shows me that Fernandes just doesn't understand football. Realistically with the squad he had and the few weeks he gave Hughes to bring in new players did he and more importantly did we really expect a dramatic turnaround? Warnock was used as a scapegoat for mistakes made. Mistakes such as Joey Barton, who from the fallout with him since his sacking, was clearly not a warnock signing. Warnock may have agreed to take him, but I have no doubt it was Fernandes who orchestrated it. he then buckled under the pressure of certain players (Barton) saying they didn't want warnock there anymore. Again a proper football minded chairman would've stood strong and backed his manager, the same manager he promised to back when he bought the club. Instead he chopped and changed and caused even more chaos, uncertainty and pressure to the club. These decisions may work for his airline but at a football club that needs stability it was not the right action. Hughes is finding out the hard way that the players that Warnock had are mostly primadonnas or just not very good. Look at akos buszacky today. After the Wigan game he was spouting shit about being left out of the squad and nearly leaving etc and today's game proves to me exactly why. Warnock had Faurlin, does buzz or anyone really think he was going to get in ahead of him? When buzz came on and warnock gave him chances he was as useful as a sack of shit. Today he was worse than a sack of shit. Warnock simply did the best he could with a god awful squad and if Fernandes was a man of his word and a football savvy man, he would've backed warnock to bring in new players in January and do the best he could to keep us up. Instead he shipped warnock out got Hughes in gave him a couple of weeks to bring in anyone he could and is probably surprised that we have only beaten Wigan in the league since Hughes joined. It doesn't surprise me. Fernandes is a good guy and a great business man but he knows F*** all about running a football club. This is a problem. I have no doubt that if we did go down with warnock, warnock would've stayed and gave his all to get us back up. I also have that same confidence that if we and when we go down under Hughes now, Hughes and Fernandes will jump ship and leave us in a worse position than if we had just shown some faith, support and loyalty to the man that turned our club around. On a side note those that mentioned Hughes amazing signings. Taiwo has been a sack of shit, onouha has been average and was at fault for blackburns 3rd goal today, cisse has cost us dearly being banned for 3 must win games is the worst thing he couldve done, Zamora is an average player made to look good be Johnson, Dempsey and dembele. The players who coincidentally have shown heart and pride and done ok have been Mackie, Traore and taarabt coincidentally all warnock players.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2012 4:48:27 GMT
When a new manager comes in sometimes the players all raise their game straight away and sometimes it takes a while to happen. I want to give Mark Hughes some credit because whatever he said to them at half time against Blackburn we saw an excellent effort in the second half. All we can do is support the manager to the end of the season and then judge him on whether he keeps us up or not. I believe he is a good manager and he will turn it round.
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Post by qprian on Feb 12, 2012 5:56:09 GMT
Good piece harbo. Some very good points made.
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Post by mm2h on Feb 12, 2012 6:57:15 GMT
Yes some very valid points but had Warnock stayed we would probably be bottom now. Warnock was out of his depth in the Premiership
Hughes has the unenviable task of trying to stop a sinking ship. He's trying and we should give him the rest of the season before we make any judgement.
Had Warnock stayed we would be relegated for sure. With Hughes we have a chance, albeit a slim one.
The improvement in the 2nd half shows what the team is capable of. MH just needs to find the way to make them play like that for 90 mins.
It doesnt matter that Tony F is not a football man. Hes a very succesful business man and QPR (and all clubs for that matter) is just a business after all.
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Post by harbo on Feb 12, 2012 7:32:32 GMT
See that's where we differ. QPR is a football club. It may be a business to others like Fernandes but to me it's a football club. I don't pay my money for games, shirts, away trips etc to support a business I do it to support the club I have supported all my life, the club my uncle and grandad have supported all their lives, they didn't follow a business and neither do I. If the players would stop thinking it's a business, we might see some pride and passion when wearing the hoops. You can't say warnock would've had us bottom of the league becUse we are in the exact same league position he left us in. And yes the 2nd half was better from us today but anything would've been better than the abomination we saw 1st half. Remember Stoke away? Man city at home? 2nd half against spurs? All were fantastic performances and all were under warnock. Because Fernandes didn't realise that luck had a huge part in us not being mid table, warnock got axed. West brom SWP had a great goal disallowed when it should've stood (who knows what SWP could've done had he got the confidence of that goal?), the penalty given against Traore against Villa at home which was never a penalty, the Barton sending off which changed the game against Norwich those games in themselves could have put us 12th when NW got sacked. Then would Fernandes have sacked him? I doubt it, which then shows he doesn't understand football and that but for bad luck Warnock had actually done a good job with a shit squad.
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Post by mm2h on Feb 12, 2012 7:49:06 GMT
I think we shall agree to disagree on most of the points
But I agree that its has been a Sh1t squad - old and new.
And the table never lies.
Football clubs are an enigma. A business but also a way of life for many of its supporters. Many clubs ie Chelsea, Man U and Man City would be bankrupt and out of business if they were 'normal' businesses.
A successful business gets more customers and makes more money than an unsuccessful one. Success breeds success and that in turn should breed profits (£s or cross product awareness etc). For QPR that means Premiership football and top 6 finishes at the very least
Tony F is no mug. He runs successful businesses and he will make sure QPR become another of his succesful businesses. It will just takle longer than he, you or I thought it will take.
When the business succeds it means the club will be a success. Isnt that what we , as supporters, want?
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Post by RoryTheRanger on Feb 12, 2012 8:49:35 GMT
Ok a few things. I agree with you that nothing has really changed. The players still don't care (except from one or two) and the midfield and defence are still crap.
I don't think we can have a go at Tony here. We were in the bottom 3 and under Warnock I couldn't see where the next points were coming from. He made a decision, a tough one at that, it was also a big gamble he was willing to take to try and ensure our safety. Wether that gamble will pay off is up to the players now.
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Post by Macmoish on Feb 12, 2012 9:01:19 GMT
Three parts:
Should we have gotten rid of Warnock when we did? (Me: Probably Not..But tough judgement call)
Given that we did get rid of Warnock, was Hughes the right appointment (Me: Yes)
If we do go down, should we keep Hughes/hope he stays (Me: Yes)
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Post by marshbowles10 on Feb 12, 2012 13:31:24 GMT
I'm afraid I think that events conspired against Warnock as well as the results. My concern thus far with Mark is that we still play Hall who is a liability at this level and the complete and utter waste of space Hulse was getting a game until yesterday. Unfortunately and I'll now string a few threads together, what we are suffering from is the lack of investment in the infrastructure of the club for many years. The lack of proper planning of the youth set up so that we bring players through and the waste of money on paying off managers and players that were never up to any standard in the first place
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Post by maudesfishnchips on Feb 12, 2012 13:35:57 GMT
warnocks sacking i lay at the feet of barton,
i honestly believe if barton was not in our team warnock would still be with us today.
tf had a choice, he chose barton.
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Post by harlowranger on Feb 12, 2012 13:37:35 GMT
Agree fully with Mac !
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Post by kilburnhoop on Feb 12, 2012 13:53:52 GMT
The decision to sack warnock right or wrong? We will find out in may. IMO it was the right decision.
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Post by RoryTheRanger on Feb 12, 2012 14:00:43 GMT
warnocks sacking i lay at the feet of barton, i honestly believe if barton was not in our team warnock would still be with us today. tf had a choice, he chose barton. I agree with that Maude.
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Post by oliverjames on Feb 12, 2012 14:04:57 GMT
This is all ifs, buts and conjecture. Nw isn't around due to his off field antics, to be fair his on wasn't helping the cause. He lost the dressing room and lost some of his very loyal players. All smiles when the cameras on is Mr warnock. They stopped playing for him and don't blame Barton for this one. Nw is another manager who never looks at his own shortcomings and either deflects critism or awkward questions or BLAMES others.
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Post by maudesfishnchips on Feb 12, 2012 14:10:10 GMT
This is all ifs, buts and conjecture. Nw isn't around due to his off field antics, to be fair his on wasn't helping the cause. He lost the dressing room and lost some of his very loyal players. All smiles when the cameras on is Mr warnock. They stopped playing for him and don't blame Barton for this one. Nw is another manager who never looks at his own shortcomings and either deflects critism or awkward questions or BLAMES others. do you have a list of the players he lost?
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Post by harlowranger on Feb 12, 2012 14:13:00 GMT
Barton , BARTON , barton and Ratnob
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Post by maudesfishnchips on Feb 12, 2012 14:14:09 GMT
Barton , BARTON , barton and Ratnob ;D
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Post by eusebio13 on Feb 12, 2012 14:16:44 GMT
Harbo an excellent post....not sure I fully buy into the "this is a crap squad" theory (i think its better than many in the Prem) but its clearly not gelled together in the way a very workmanlike championship squad did. Now I don't think there would have been any difference in our league position if Warnock had stayed and as many will know I wanted us to back him, saying that we are where we are and I think Mac post is spot on about how I feel.
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Post by harbo on Feb 12, 2012 19:24:34 GMT
Just to correct you Rory when warnock was sacked we were 17th.
Some good posts, I just feel that had Warnock been backed the way TF had promised be would back him, then he would've done as good a job as Hughes has done/will do, plus if we did go down under Warnock he is the only man I'd want to get us back up as he knows how to do it. I don't even think Hughes would stick around but if he did he has no experience of that level and would struggle with no budget available to him and a likely exodus of players in the current squad.
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Post by harlowranger on Feb 12, 2012 19:29:26 GMT
But 18th before Hughes took over ?
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Post by andygg on Feb 12, 2012 19:46:17 GMT
Warnock had run out of ideas, and would have taken us down.
Hughes has a big job on his hands, but IMHO is more likely to keep us up and take us forward.
At the very least the players look fitter now. We are creating a lot more chances in the games. Only time will tell if he is a success, but to say you wish we still had Warnock, that is just mis-guided.
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Post by Macmoish on Feb 12, 2012 19:48:49 GMT
I just wish we hadn't gotten rid of Gianni ;D
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Post by andygg on Feb 12, 2012 19:51:19 GMT
I just wish we hadn't gotten rid of Gianni ;D Yeh bring back Flabio as well.
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Post by maudesfishnchips on Feb 12, 2012 19:51:50 GMT
Warnock had run out of ideas, and would have taken us down. maybe, but he knew this, and was awaiting the transfer window. do you think it would of been different with warnock signings?
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Post by andygg on Feb 12, 2012 19:54:04 GMT
Warnock had run out of ideas, and would have taken us down. maybe, but he knew this, and was awaiting the transfer window. do you think it would of been different with warnock signings? No, he would probably have spunked the money on crocks and past it donkeys.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2012 19:54:59 GMT
I actually think we would have lost the Villa game under Warnock (With new signings) & only drawn against Wigan!!! I don't think Warnock would have been able to attract some of the players we needed..........But thats just my opinon!!!
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Post by maudesfishnchips on Feb 12, 2012 19:57:22 GMT
maybe, but he knew this, and was awaiting the transfer window. do you think it would of been different with warnock signings? No, he would probably have spunked the money on crocks and past it donkeys. like yakubu
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Post by andygg on Feb 12, 2012 20:00:50 GMT
No, he would probably have spunked the money on crocks and past it donkeys. like yakubu No like Kieron Dyer
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Post by Macmoish on Feb 12, 2012 20:02:25 GMT
Well he WANTED Graham in the summer....So that wouldnt have been too bad. And he got Taarabt...So he wasnt too bad
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2012 20:05:14 GMT
Yeah but got Bothroyd, Barton, SWP, Dyer & Campbell!!! swings & roundabouts & I don't want to nitpick!!.....But I think anyone coming in while Warnock was still manager would have noticed somethng wasn't right............!!!!
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