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Post by superckat on Apr 14, 2009 15:46:54 GMT
The general theme seems to be that he would not be welcomed. Personally, I wouldn't have a problem with him. So I was wondering why people don't want him at QPR. Other reasons, than he's a ****. If that is you reason, then why is he?
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Post by QPR Report on Apr 14, 2009 15:48:59 GMT
Breaking a player's jaw Dumped Swindon and Leeds...Highly paid/did little at Newcastle...For starters
But what WON"T sway my opininion either way: "He's a boyhood QPR supporter" or he "ex-Chelsea/Ex-Wimbledon)
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Post by ingham on Apr 14, 2009 16:20:59 GMT
I'm not sure the choice of manager matters all that much, superckat, unless our expectations of the manager are based on reality, not fantasy.
As things stand, we expect only one thing of any manager. To win.
We are a struggling mid-table second tier side, paying inflationary wages to mediocre, mid-table, second tier players. Like every other club, even the top ones, all we can attract are the players none of the Clubs above us want.
On top of that, the players, their agents, people in Paladini's position and the boardroom boys were running up £3-£4 million a year losses - at the Club's expense - BEFORE this lot took over.
I'd like to think they've turned it all round, although there are some who say that they're losing even MORE of the Club's money, spending it on much needed improvements like redesigning the badge to look like cat sick, hiring a cat from Hull City to provide the sick, installing desperately needed chandeliers where nobody can see them, and as many empty seats as they could fit into an area once occupied solidly by supporters.
So I'm tempted to feel sorry for any manager, although I try to bear in mind that they're probably being paid sackfuls of money for a few months' work, so they may be even more 'philosophical' about their position than we are, dizzy from watching one after other spin in and out of the revolving door.
And if a manager only needs to know how to win, then his choices are simple. Win, and he's laughing, lose, and he''ll soon be put out of his misery, until he finds some other bunch of losers prepared to to let him loose on its supporters' nerves.
Tell me, superckat, don't you think that we're rather committed to hiring and firing them now? If we stick with one, it begs the question why we didn't stick with the others. And if we sacked one for not winning, and we've sacked a few more than that, then we might go on doing that - sacking them, as well as not winning - almost indefinitely.
Until the next Brian Clough walks through the doors, but that doesn't seem to happen these days.
A further reason for being somewhat evasive is that I don't know what Wise is like as a manager ;D.
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Post by dreamr on Apr 14, 2009 16:31:09 GMT
My main problem with Wise is that when we lose 2 games in a row, or have a couple of 0-0 draws, Briatore will suddenly realise that we're not playing attacking and attractive football and start thinking about how to get Wise out. With Wise, you know what you're going to get. High intensity hoofing. Briatore thinks that he can say to Wise, 'play attacking football' and Wise will know how to make this happen. He thought that Dowie would do this, but Dowie was fundamentally unable because he doesn't know how. Briatore doesn't realise that, if he wants this, he must get a manager with a proven record of this, such as Martinez. Problem with Martinez and most other similiar managers, is that they have a mind of their own and would not accept being told what to do. So back to square one. I don't see a solution to this myself, but I think hiring Wise would be a regressive step. Whatever about other managers, this will never work, as far as I can see. If we're going to get a manager with some experience(such as Wise or Martinez), I would prefer one with at least some kind of reputation of being able to instill attacking/passing football into a team.
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Post by dreamr on Apr 14, 2009 16:33:47 GMT
I'd like to think they've turned it all round, although there are some who say that they're losing even MORE of the Club's money, spending it on much needed improvements like redesigning the badge to look like cat sick, hiring a cat from Hull City to provide the sick, installing desperately needed chandeliers where nobody can see them, and as many empty seats as they could fit into an area once occupied solidly by supporters. ;D
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Post by Markqpr on Apr 14, 2009 16:46:40 GMT
1. Without Poyet he's not anywhere near effective a motivator of players. 2. Got Millwall to a cup final but did not achieve enough in the league to warrant the reputation he carries as a potential manager. Tactically he does not impress me and I think he is out of his depth in that area of management. 3. Does not have the experience at this level we need. 4. The squad needs a leader they can follow. Wise does not strike me as having the qualities the senior pros will look up to. 5. Was good at Leeds and was building for the future there. Then he turned his back on the club for a higher wage packet and demonstrated all the loyalty of a modern day football mercenary. 6. Has made some terrible purchases at Newcastle, squandering millions of pounds and surely must take partial responsibility for their current league position*. 7. He is Dennis Wise.
*Sidenote - If Newcastle do come down I do not see them getting automatic promotion. Their homegrown stars will all leave for other premiership clubs and their foreign ones will leave too. It's probably in their contracts that they can go if Newcastle lose premiership status. One or two youngsters coming thru but they will need a period of stability and would not be surprised if they took two seasons to get back up. I expect St James Park will be sold out next season respective of what division they are in, though.
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Post by superckat on Apr 14, 2009 16:51:41 GMT
I'm not sure the choice of manager matters all that much, superckat, unless our expectations of the manager are based on reality, not fantasy. As things stand, we expect only one thing of any manager. To win. We are a struggling mid-table second tier side, paying inflationary wages to mediocre, mid-table, second tier players. Like every other club, even the top ones, all we can attract are the players none of the Clubs above us want. On top of that, the players, their agents, people in Paladini's position and the boardroom boys were running up £3-£4 million a year losses - at the Club's expense - BEFORE this lot took over. I'd like to think they've turned it all round, although there are some who say that they're losing even MORE of the Club's money, spending it on much needed improvements like redesigning the badge to look like cat sick, hiring a cat from Hull City to provide the sick, installing desperately needed chandeliers where nobody can see them, and as many empty seats as they could fit into an area once occupied solidly by supporters. So I'm tempted to feel sorry for any manager, although I try to bear in mind that they're probably being paid sackfuls of money for a few months' work, so they may be even more 'philosophical' about their position than we are, dizzy from watching one after other spin in and out of the revolving door. And if a manager only needs to know how to win, then his choices are simple. Win, and he's laughing, lose, and he''ll soon be put out of his misery, until he finds some other bunch of losers prepared to to let him loose on its supporters' nerves. Tell me, superckat, don't you think that we're rather committed to hiring and firing them now? If we stick with one, it begs the question why we didn't stick with the others. And if we sacked one for not winning, and we've sacked a few more than that, then we might go on doing that - sacking them, as well as not winning - almost indefinitely. Until the next Brian Clough walks through the doors, but that doesn't seem to happen these days. A further reason for being somewhat evasive is that I don't know what Wise is like as a manager ;D. That's a very good point. How many games do you now give each manager. Talk was of a 4 year plan. But they meant immediate. The money spent on the ground, instead of proper investment of quality managers, (I thought getting Dowie and Sousa were bad ideas) and players meant that expectations were far too high and targets unattainable. Unfortunately the club is being looked at in a bad light and they will never get the calibre of manager to achieve what they want, as long as FB wants so much control. I think we're going to be in this division for a long time yet and will go through several managers. Just to Clarify. When I said I don't have a problem with Wise coming here. I don't mean I want him as our next manager. Just meant I'm not on a downer on him like some. My personal preference would have been to have kept Mick Harford in charge. I honestly believe if he was our manager that we would be in a better position than we are now.
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Post by QPR Report on Apr 14, 2009 16:52:49 GMT
Saw Superckat that you posed this question on the various sites: It would be interesting if you compiled all the answers/or general themes - NOT by which board the comment was posted; but just en masse: The probs with Wise
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Post by superckat on Apr 14, 2009 17:00:22 GMT
Saw Superckat that you posed this question on the various sites: It would be interesting if you compiled all the answers/or general themes - NOT by which board the comment was posted; but just en masse: The probs with Wise Will try and do that. Must admit that was kind of the reason I posed it on various boards. 1 to get a general feeling. 2 to a lesser extent to see how thoughts vary on the different forums
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