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Post by RoryTheRanger on Dec 21, 2011 11:37:58 GMT
Surprised I haven't seen this already posted up on here.
The CPS to announce decision on John Terry case today.
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Post by cpr on Dec 21, 2011 11:47:21 GMT
To me, that means, nothing will happen. If there was a charge there would not be an announcement.
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Post by Doudou on Dec 21, 2011 12:18:38 GMT
Agree CPR, this will be a wet blanket. Feels like no charge. More interested in what the FA will do following the Suarez precedent.
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Post by Macmoish on Dec 21, 2011 12:31:42 GMT
I'm not so sure you're right re this
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Post by Macmoish on Dec 21, 2011 12:37:30 GMT
Should also be one yardstick for behaviour and hooliganism and reactions to it. And I'm not at all sure if it was some other player from another club who was so accused, whether all of our fans would be so ardent. And I'm certainly not convinced that if the shoe was on the other foot and one of our players was accused of such conduct, whether - even if guilty - some of our fans would be so condemning.
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Post by Macmoish on Dec 21, 2011 13:46:18 GMT
AVB still supporting him SKY SPORTS AVB reiterates Terry support Blues boss to stand by skipper, no matter what the outcome Last Updated: December 21, 2011 1:39pm . 0.0..RSS FeedBookmark with del.icio.usSave to iGoogleSave to My Yahoo!Submit to redditShare on StumpleUpon.... Andre Villas-Boas: Standing by captain John Terry .Sky BetChelsea's Next Match Tottenham8/5Draw23/10Chelsea17/10..Barclays Premier League Without Manchester 11/12 Chelsea13/8Tottenham13/8Arsenal7/2.. £10 Free Bet Sky Bet are offering all new customers a £10 Completely Free Bet .Claim your free bet now ....Chelsea manager Andre Villas-Boas has vowed that he and the club will give John Terry their full support if prosecutors decide to charge him with racially abusing Anton Ferdinand. The Crown Prosecution Service (CPS) will confirm on Wednesday whether Terry will face legal action over his altercation with fellow defender Ferdinand during October's west London derby at QPR. "We know exactly his human values and personality. They are never in doubt." Andre Villas-Boas on John Terry Quotes of the week England skipper Terry has categorically denied racially abusing Ferdinand and Villas-Boas will continue to back the 31-year-old, regardless of any charge. "The only thing I know is that I will be fully supportive of John Terry, whatever the outcome," Villas-Boas said. "He has my full support, he has the club's full support. "We know exactly his human values and personality. They are never in doubt." Timing The CPS decision will come barely 24 hours before Chelsea's crunch Premier League game at Tottenham, the start of a run of four games in 11 days, but Villas-Boas was philosophical about the outcome. "This is legal proceedings and I'm not in the right to say something done by justice is wrong," he said. "If this is the timing they chose, this is the timing they thought was correct." Villas-Boas also confirmed Terry would start at White Hart Lane on Thursday night, a match which can be seen live on Sky Sports HD1. Shortly after the allegations were made, Terry issued a statement saying: "I've seen that there's a lot of comments on the internet with regards to some video footage of me during the game. "I'm disappointed that people have leapt to the wrong conclusions about the context of what I was seen to be saying to Anton Ferdinand. "I would never say such a thing and I'm saddened that people would think so." Live on Sky Sports vs Tottenham v Chelsea December 22, 2011 7:30pm .Remote Record..Example On Tuesday, Liverpool striker Luis Suarez was handed an eight-match ban for racially abusing Manchester United's Patrice Evra during a Premier League match at Anfield on 15th October. The Uruguay international, who is expected to appeal against the Football Association's decision, was also fined 40,000. Villas-Boas admitted the punishment sent out a strong message but was reluctant to comment further on it before seeing the full judgment of the independent disciplinary committee. Terry's altercation with Ferdinand is also the subject of an FA probe and Villas-Boas said of the Suarez verdict: "I'm not sure and I'm not in a position to say whether it's fairly applied or not. "It looks to be setting a firm example." www1.skysports.com/football/news/11668/7390253/AVB-reiterates-Terry-support
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Post by Hogan on Dec 21, 2011 14:17:57 GMT
Sky saying John Terry will be charged. CPS has approved a trial for the scum captain.
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Post by alfaranger on Dec 21, 2011 14:22:09 GMT
Should also be one yardstick for behaviour and hooliganism and reactions to it. And I'm not at all sure if it was some other player from another club who was so accused, whether all of our fans would be so ardent. And I'm certainly not convinced that if the shoe was on the other foot and one of our players was accused of such conduct, whether - even if guilty - some of our fans would be so condemning. Very perceptive and imo totally correct.
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Post by daxvondrac on Dec 21, 2011 14:25:50 GMT
Yeee-haaa! ;D
Macmoish: Sorry. Just merged your comment into existing thread before we have two or more threads
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Post by cpr on Dec 21, 2011 14:26:00 GMT
My word!!! He's been charged and will face prosecution, court appearance on Feb 1st.
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Post by Macmoish on Dec 21, 2011 14:26:32 GMT
BBC
21 December 2011 Last updated at 09:20 ET Share this pageEmail Print Share this page
7ShareFacebookTwitter.John Terry charged over alleged racist Ferdinand comments The allegations centre around a game at Loftus Road in October England captain John Terry will face charges of racism, the Crown Prosecution (CPS) has said.
Terry is alleged to have used racist language towards Queens Park Rangers' Anton Ferdinand, during Chelsea's 1-0 defeat at Loftus Road on 23 October.
The Chelsea captain was questioned under caution by police in November and a file on the matter was sent to the CPS at the beginning of December.
The 30-year-old has always denied making the racist comments.
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Post by cpr on Dec 21, 2011 14:36:32 GMT
SSN showing a different clip of his outburst suddenly, this time Mikel walks in front of him.
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Post by klr on Dec 21, 2011 15:04:17 GMT
It's obvious that he said it, but as for the court case ?
No, that is a sad state of affairs, & we are the only country on the planet where things are going this far, I dont believe there is any public appetite for something like this, its like the reverse of the McCarthy Witch Hunts, something really sinister about it that will obviously achieve nothing & cause a lot more distrust, unease & tension in a society where things are already completely fractured.
& I don't even like John Terry or Suarez.
I wonder when a black player will be charged with making racist comments ? Oh no, how silly of me, of course only white people can be Racist.
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Post by Macmoish on Dec 21, 2011 15:29:00 GMT
Chelsea's Official Response STATEMENT ON TERRY CHARGE Posted on: Wed 21 Dec 2011 Chelsea Football Club today received notification from the Crown Prosecution Service that John Terry has been charged with a racially aggravated public order offence. John has made it clear he denies the charge and is determined to do all he can to prove his innocence. Chelsea FC has always been fully supportive of John in this matter and there is no question that we will continue to be so. www.chelseafc.com/page/LatestNews/0,,10268~2554727,00.html The club finds all forms of discrimination abhorrent and we are proud of the work we undertake campaigning on this important issue. Chelsea will not be commenting further on the subject while the legal process runs its course.
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Post by Macmoish on Dec 21, 2011 15:29:42 GMT
Maybe the guy is 100% innocent. But I don't see how England can possibly continue to have him as the England Captain until and unless he's found not guilty
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Post by Jon Doeman on Dec 21, 2011 15:39:20 GMT
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Post by Macmoish on Dec 21, 2011 16:30:46 GMT
Can't beat having it on the Premiership Official Site ! Premiership Official Site The Crown Prosecution Service has today confirmed that John Terry will be prosecuted over allegations that he made a racist comment towards QPR defender Anton Ferdinand. The 30-year-old will appear in court on 1 February 2012. Alison Saunders, chief crown prosecutor for London, said: "I have today advised the Metropolitan Police that John Terry should be prosecuted for a racially aggravated public order offence. "After careful consideration of all the evidence, I am satisfied there is sufficient evidence for a realistic prospect of conviction and it is in the public interest to prosecute this case." A Chelsea statement said: "John has made it clear he denies the charge and is determined to do all he can to prove his innocence. "Chelsea FC has always been fully supportive of John in this matter and will continue to be so. "The club finds all forms of discrimination abhorrent and we are proud of the work we undertake campaigning on this important issue." www.premierleague.com/en-gb/news/news/terry-to-face-criminal-charges.html
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Post by daxvondrac on Dec 21, 2011 16:32:03 GMT
Andre Villas Boas has stated that he will stand beside John Terry and does not believe he has a prejudiced bone in his body. Terry responded gratefully "I'd like to thank the little Ginger Spic for his support" he said.
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Post by klr on Dec 21, 2011 16:35:46 GMT
Can't beat having it on the Premiership Official Site ! Premiership Official Site The Crown Prosecution Service has today confirmed that John Terry will be prosecuted over allegations that he made a racist comment towards QPR defender Anton Ferdinand. The 30-year-old will appear in court on 1 February 2012. Alison Saunders, chief crown prosecutor for London, said: "I have today advised the Metropolitan Police that John Terry should be prosecuted for a racially aggravated public order offence. "After careful consideration of all the evidence, I am satisfied there is sufficient evidence for a realistic prospect of conviction and it is in the public interest to prosecute this case." A Chelsea statement said: "John has made it clear he denies the charge and is determined to do all he can to prove his innocence. "Chelsea FC has always been fully supportive of John in this matter and will continue to be so. "The club finds all forms of discrimination abhorrent and we are proud of the work we undertake campaigning on this important issue." www.premierleague.com/en-gb/news/news/terry-to-face-criminal-charges.html"and it is in the public interest to prosecute this case" really ?
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Post by Macmoish on Dec 21, 2011 16:37:45 GMT
And Evening Standard John Terry is finished as the skipper of England if found guilty James Olley James Olley 21 Dec 2011 Sponsored links Ads by Google Sensodyne Coupon Save Now On The Dentist Trusted Brand for Tooth Sensitivity. us.sensodyne.com Terrifying Brain Secret You must see this terrifying brain secret before it's too late... www.lumiday.comBP's Work in the Gulf BP continues their work in the Gulf. Visit BP.com to learn how. www.BP.com/GulfOfMexicoResponseOsteoporosis Treatments Learn How To Manage Osteoporosis & Increase Your Bone Density Today! bonebuildclinic.com The repercussions of John Terry's police charge for racially abusing Anton Ferdinand will be examined in exhaustive detail over the coming weeks and months but it seems inconceivable he can survive as England captain if he is found guilty. Terry is a fighter. He has overcome adversity off the field - some of it his own doing - to display admirable durability and leadership qualities in a fine career for club and country. But this is one controversy too many. Fabio Capello's decision to reinstate Terry last March was questionable at the time but at least had the footballing caveat that Rio Ferdinand's injury problems made his staccato captaincy unsustainable. There can be no footballing justification now. Terry has beaten an Achilles injury and was this afternoon passed fit to play for Chelsea at Tottenham tomorrow night but he is no longer fit to lead his country. Controversy has been Terry's career Achilles heel. There are many who felt his alleged affair with Vanessa Perroncel, girlfriend of former team-mate Wayne Bridge, was unforgivable and morally reprehensible. Criminal proceedings take the debate to another level. The Football Association muddled through Terry's appearance as captain against Sweden last month as best they could but the unease on all sides was palpable. England do not play again until February 29 against Holland so there is time to deliberate but with Terry facing a criminal trial the pressure on the FA to take the captaincy away from him will reach fever pitch. If Terry is eventually found guilty then he theoretically faces a lengthy ban in a separate investigation by the FA and his reputation will be tarnished as would the governing body's by association if he is then allowed to lead out the team at Euro 2012. Some would argue that Terry should not even feature at the tournament given the severity of the charge, to which the Chelsea defender's camp would argue personal persecution. Whatever happens in the end, he does deserve a full explanation given the complexity of his case and the emotive issue at hand. And unlike Luis Suarez, banned yesterday by the FA for eight games for racially abusing Patrice Evra, the criminal aspect of the situation has deep ramifications for his career. Chelsea will, of course, stand by him. "The only thing I know is that I will be fully supportive of John Terry whatever the outcome of the situation," said manager Andre Villas-Boas today. "We know exactly his human values and his personality. For me, they are never in doubt." Chelsea now face the awkward alliance of a natural instinct to defend their player against perceived persecution while protecting a player charged with an alleged reprehensible act that cannot be condoned, even by association. Liverpool have the same problem although Suarez has been found guilty by the FA. The governing body are not stupid. They will know that the punishment handed out to Suarez set a precedent that would almost immediately be tested by Terry's case, if he was proven guilty. The FA have shown racism will not be tolerated in English football in a powerful ruling that makes a mockery of the paltry fines handed out by UEFA and FIFA for discrimination. No two cases are ever the same. But fines such as the £34,000 handed to Bulgaria for chanting racist abuse at England players and fans in September or the £12,700 demanded of Celtic following sectarian chanting suggests stamping out such discrimination is not a top priority. English football should be proud its governing body has adopted such a hard line in attempting to stamp out an abhorrent act from the game. If they also find Terry guilty of racism, they must see it through to its obvious conclusion. John Terry is no stranger to controversy... 2001 Fined two weeks' wages by Chelsea for drunkenly shouting abuse at American tourists watching coverage of the 9/11 terrorist attacks. Manager Claudio Ranieri says he showed "no decency or respect". 2002 After a bust-up with a nightclub bouncer, he's charged of wounding with intent to cause grievous bodily harm, unlawful wounding and possessing a bottle as an offensive weapon. He admits throwing a punch but a jury clears him on the grounds of self defence. Also that year he is caught on CCTV in a nightclub apparently urinating into a glass. 2005 Admits being unfaithful to his wife, Toni. He says: "I'm not going to cheat on her ever again." Weeks later, he allegedly has sex in his car with a 17-year-old who had asked for his autograph on the street. 2008 After a relatively monklike spell, the now England captain sparks anger by parking his Bentley in a disabled space while enjoying a long lunch. Surrey councillor Jimmy Cartwright says Terry has shown "blatant disregard for the law and for disabled people". 2009 Is accused of trying to cash in on his captaincy when an e-mail from his representatives is circulated offering his services as an ambassador. He claims they were acting without his authority. In a newspaper sting, a middleman, acting for Terry, accepts £10,000 in exchange for unauthorized tours of Chelsea's training ground. Terry later claims £8,000 was intended for charity. 2010 Terry is again accused of exploiting the England captaincy for commercial gain. According to reports, his box at Wembley Stadium (which he was allowed to hire at thousands of pounds below the market price as a perk of leading the national team) is being touted out for £4,000 in cash. The defender denies knowledge of the proposed transaction. Months later, details emerge of a super-injunction that was lifted by a judge. The injunction relates to allegations that Terry has had an affair with the ex-girlfriend of former team-mate Wayne Bridge, Vanessa Perroncel. He is stripped of the England captaincy. 2011 Is reappointed England skipper in March but six months later, footage appears on YouTube appearing to show Terry racially abusing Queens Park Rangers defender Anton Ferdinand during a derby at Loftus Road. The 31-year-old is charged following an investigation by the Metropolitan Police. www.thisislondon.co.uk/standard-sport/football/article-24023658-john-terry-is-finished-as-the-skipper-of-england-if-found-guilty.do
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Post by klr on Dec 21, 2011 16:43:39 GMT
I've no doubt that he's a nasty piece of work, but what I find worse is people from outside of football, lets call them "social engineers" getting involved in every sphere of public & private life, telling the individual that they can only say or even think what the state tells them to, sinister.
Black & White players have always made racial comments to each other, & its a two way street, probably even a little bit more than that with some of the "cocky" young black footballers around nowadays, is there a problem ? No, & if there is it gets sorted out in the tunnel like it always has done.
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Post by Macmoish on Dec 21, 2011 16:46:27 GMT
I think you can make an argument about it becoming a criminal matter. I don't think there is any question this is something Football authorities should be dealing with.
And I Think it does become a police matter if the Football authorities won't or unable to deal with Racial Fan abuse
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Post by superckat on Dec 21, 2011 17:25:07 GMT
It's obvious that he said it, but as for the court case ? No, that is a sad state of affairs, & we are the only country on the planet where things are going this far, I dont believe there is any public appetite for something like this, its like the reverse of the McCarthy Witch Hunts, something really sinister about it that will obviously achieve nothing & cause a lot more distrust, unease & tension in a society where things are already completely fractured. & I don't even like John Terry or Suarez. I wonder when a black player will be charged with making racist comments ? Oh no, how silly of me, of course only white people can be Racist. "I wonder when a black player will be charged with making racist comments ? Oh no, how silly of me, of course only white people can be Racist."I often wish cases like this can be resolved outside of the public eye. Because the one thing guaranteed about cases like this, is that at some point, somebody will make a comment like that. The issue here is about what Terry said to Ferdinand. If Ferdinand was caught on camera saying the similar to Terry. Then he would also deserve the same treatment.
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Post by superckat on Dec 21, 2011 17:28:03 GMT
I've no doubt that he's a nasty piece of work, but what I find worse is people from outside of football, lets call them "social engineers" getting involved in every sphere of public & private life, telling the individual that they can only say or even think what the state tells them to, sinister. Black & White players have always made racial comments to each other, & its a two way street, probably even a little bit more than that with some of the "cocky" young black footballers around nowadays, is there a problem ? No, & if there is it gets sorted out in the tunnel like it always has done. Do you actually read what you write?
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Post by Sabas on Dec 21, 2011 18:06:13 GMT
I've no doubt that he's a nasty piece of work, but what I find worse is people from outside of football, lets call them "social engineers" getting involved in every sphere of public & private life, telling the individual that they can only say or even think what the state tells them to, sinister. Black & White players have always made racial comments to each other, & its a two way street, probably even a little bit more than that with some of the "cocky" young black footballers around nowadays, is there a problem ? No, & if there is it gets sorted out in the tunnel like it always has done. Give me an example of, let's say, Ferdinand making a racist comment towards Terry (?)
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Post by fraserinbc on Dec 21, 2011 18:37:14 GMT
I've no doubt that he's a nasty piece of work, but what I find worse is people from outside of football, lets call them "social engineers" getting involved in every sphere of public & private life, telling the individual that they can only say or even think what the state tells them to, sinister. Call me a pinko commie liberal (hell, I've been called worse), I just don't understand this kind of comment and have never done. There's nothing that I can say that will get my point of view across, so I won't try, but I'll just sit here condescendingly shaking my head
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Post by klr on Dec 21, 2011 19:58:16 GMT
No point arguing like you say, if you think things are going well in society & things like the John Terry "case" are a sign of "progress" then good luck to you.
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Post by klr on Dec 21, 2011 20:08:44 GMT
I've no doubt that he's a nasty piece of work, but what I find worse is people from outside of football, lets call them "social engineers" getting involved in every sphere of public & private life, telling the individual that they can only say or even think what the state tells them to, sinister. Black & White players have always made racial comments to each other, & its a two way street, probably even a little bit more than that with some of the "cocky" young black footballers around nowadays, is there a problem ? No, & if there is it gets sorted out in the tunnel like it always has done. Give me an example of, let's say, Ferdinand making a racist comment towards Terry (?) Are you joking ? Footballers say all sorts of disgusting things to each other, always have done, always will do, black people also shock horror, have heard of and use bad language as well you know ?
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Post by Zamoraaaah on Dec 21, 2011 20:45:40 GMT
'Ang'im.
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Post by Sabas on Dec 21, 2011 21:06:20 GMT
Give me an example of, let's say, Ferdinand making a racist comment towards Terry (?) Are you joking ? Footballers say all sorts of disgusting things to each other, always have done, always will do, black people also shock horror, have heard of and use bad language as well you know ? There's 'bad' language and there's racism. Apples and oranges. Maybe (maybe!) those remarks are being made in a heat of such an intense moment that one cannot control something so crude, involuntary, instinctively insane, almost sublimed from the subconscious...etc etc. So be it. But one must come out and honestly say, Sorry, I was wrong, I did say it [whatever IT is], I regret it, etc etc... instead of making up stories (like Terry and Suarez do). If Terry says, I'm not a racist! I just made a mistake!...I'm prepared to believe him. The police (and other lovely folks) have investigated it, and do know more than we do.
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