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Post by eusebio13 on Apr 5, 2009 8:35:52 GMT
If this board has no faith in Sousa please just fire him now, this nonsense in the press and with Lord Haw Haw on WATRBs needs to stop. At least then I will know that this club is run by men of conviction and not the guttersnipes they appear to be. Sousa has through all this been the only one who has acted honourably and now we have an attack on his character. Being called a liar by a man who has use lies and deception to draw people onto his board in the past is despicable. There are people who during this period have lost my respect and in my opinion their dignity and I know now that my decision to not post on WATRB has been vindicated by their behaviour.
I now go one further and state that after many years of holding a ST I find it near impossible to see any joy in going to Loftus Road next year knowing that these people are messing with our club. I can afford a ST thank god but....
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Post by Zamoraaaah on Apr 5, 2009 8:52:23 GMT
Completely agree Euse. Just when I thought they could sink no lower they do just that. Despicable behaviour by lowlife who clearly put their own agenda before the well being of our football club.
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Post by QPR Report on Apr 5, 2009 8:57:37 GMT
This is the club that put Ian Holloway on "Gardening Leave" (along with Penrice and Breaker) so you expect "straing out?" Sousa was on a 2 1/2 year contract. So if he's axed they have to pay him off...But if he resigns... As for Paladini, it's reported that he's on a great, long-term contract. (Strange!) So presumably costly to pay him off - even if there's a desire to by Briatore. I'd imagine that in some peoples' eyes, there would appear to be a certain "symbiotic relationship" between WATRB and the club. As for Pete's post: Pete posted on WATRB that "Sousa did know that Blackstock was going to Nottinham Forest "I spoke To Dexters AGENT .... "....So, I spoke to Dexters agent directly... SOUSA DID KNOW THAT BLACKSTOCK WAS GOING TO NOTTINGHAM FOREST. I asked him directly and he said to me the manager dropped him as Dexter wanted first team football. I guess its a little tit for tat, but when you have our best striker going to another club, I wanted to know why. People that know me, would know I work in football and I thought it was important to get this checked out, as I heard this on the radio. I am hoping to prove this some time this week, that Paulo was in Portugal all of the previous week and he himself was responsble for droppping Blackstock completely out of the squad for Bristol City. Blackstock simply wanted first team football. In most games this season Sousa has preferred De Carmine as a lone striker. " www.wearetherangersboys.com/forum/showthread.php?t=5524Maybe I'm missing it: But I don't see how what the agent said proves that in the slightest.
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Post by QPR Report on Apr 5, 2009 8:58:43 GMT
I know people some arehesitant to visit the WATRB site, but this is my QPR Report blog entry that I (currently) have on the WATRB - At least I'm one of the few people regularly blogging there QPR Report/WATRB www.wearetherangersboys.com/forum/blog.php?u=48
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Post by eusebio13 on Apr 5, 2009 9:41:04 GMT
Now this is funny ;D Not my work but....
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Post by sandyhoops on Apr 5, 2009 9:47:47 GMT
I dont think the fact that Dexter has been dropped by the manager (aka Paulo Sousa) has anything to do with the Board/Paladini's decision to loan Blackstock out.
What I mean by that is that these are two separate issues - the manager is entitled to play the players he thinks will perform best on the day &, with Blackstock's appalling attitude of late (we can discuss/debate that separately!!) Sousa clearly felt Blackstock wasn't the man for the job.
For heaven's sake - he may have scored 12 goals for us this season but (a) he hasn't scored since January 20th (I believe that's the correct date but it is mid-January any rate!!) and (b) about 5 or 6 of his goals came against either lower division teams in the Carling Cup or against lower teams in the Championship, i.e. not so many against the better/stronger teams.
So - manager's right to drop him
But surely the manager should be included in the decision to ship Blackstock out - and from the very clear statement that Sousa made on the radio yesterday evening it seems quite obvious to me that Sousa was as much in the dark about this loan move as Blackstock was - until after the arrangements had been finalised.
And that is no way to treat a manager.
I haven't been on the WATRB site - I dont frequent that place so I can't comment on their stance on this matter. But I do not think that Blackstock's agent proves the case against Sousa at all - coz, like I have said here, Sousa dropping Blackstock does not mean he knew about or even green-lighted the loan deal!
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Post by QPR Report on Apr 5, 2009 9:53:15 GMT
Fully agree.
I mean if Pete wants to say "Sousa shouldn't have been surprised that Blackstock was sent on loan." Ok a case could theortically be made. (A case could be made that Sousa should read QPR Report!)
But to categorically claim "SOUSA DID KNOW THAT BLACKSTOCK WAS GOING TO NOTTINGHAM FOREST" - and then not to actually show that. Well that is.... (Fill in the rest of the sentence, as appropriate)
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Post by sandyhoops on Apr 5, 2009 9:54:47 GMT
And that is why I dont bother with the WATRB site!!
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Post by eusebio13 on Apr 5, 2009 9:56:34 GMT
I dont think the fact that Dexter has been dropped by the manager (aka Paulo Sousa) has anything to do with the Board/Paladini's decision to loan Blackstock out. What I mean by that is that these are two separate issues - the manager is entitled to play the players he thinks will perform best on the day &, with Blackstock's appalling attitude of late (we can discuss/debate that separately!!) Sousa clearly felt Blackstock wasn't the man for the job. For heaven's sake - he may have scored 12 goals for us this season but (a) he hasn't scored since January 20th (I believe that's the correct date but it is mid-January any rate!!) and (b) about 5 or 6 of his goals came against either lower division teams in the Carling Cup or against lower teams in the Championship, i.e. not so many against the better/stronger teams. So - manager's right to drop him But surely the manager should be included in the decision to ship Blackstock out - and from the very clear statement that Sousa made on the radio yesterday evening it seems quite obvious to me that Sousa was as much in the dark about this loan move as Blackstock was - until after the arrangements had been finalised. And that is no way to treat a manager. I haven't been on the WATRB site - I dont frequent that place so I can't comment on their stance on this matter. But I do not think that Blackstock's agent proves the case against Sousa at all - coz, like I have said here, Sousa dropping Blackstock does not mean he knew about or even green-lighted the loan deal! totally agree Sandy, Pete has no evidence that PS knew about the loan but is spinning the fact he may have been dropped for games as evidence that PS lied. Now he may not like Sousa's tactics or style of play, he may not like his team selections and he may rightly take issue with the results but calling a man a liar is going too far and I would like some evidence of this perhaps by 4 o'clock.
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Post by sandyhoops on Apr 5, 2009 10:01:06 GMT
Now he may not like Sousa's tactics or style of play, he may not like his team selections and he may rightly take issue with the results but calling a man a liar is going too far and I would like some evidence of this perhaps by 4 o'clock. Euse - dont hold your breath on that! I cant get over how arrogant the WATRB site is at times. You have got to check your facts and understand just what those facts are telling you before you make such damning comments - emotional responses to cut it. Dropping a player from your team does not prove knowledge before the fact of his departure!
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Post by QPR Report on Apr 5, 2009 10:04:18 GMT
Don't hold your breath! I think it's interesting to try and read between the lines and see what the "Theme of the Day" is. And of course the very fact that Pete is "connected' to you know who, it was interesting to see inside information....Although the motivation for it being released to Pete was itself interesting. But re posting on the messageboard: A debate is good; arguing with people you don't agree with is a positive. But it did gets extremely wearisome being the "Ad Hominem Target of the day" - Every Day Anyway this was my latest blog post on WATRB there, given that not everyone wants to read there QPR Report/WATRB Blog -www.wearetherangersboys.com/forum/blog.php?u=48#1 in The The Hall of Shame Posted Today at 08:51 AM by QPR Report -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- First place in The Hall of Shame goes to QblockPete: For an incessant campaign against Sousa; for his seeming willingness to promote the views and agenda of individuals within the club; and for his unyielding and unthinking defense of Paladini; and for his character assassinations of those who hold different views. Pete's "De Canio is prepared to come back" post was revealing. And Pete's attack on Sousa for lying by citing what Blackstock's agent said. When in fact what the very quote from the agent cited by Pete, in no way proved that Sousa was lying. www.wearetherangersboys.com/f...ead.php?t=5524A man who talks about people disagreeing with him having agendas continues to appear to be serving as a "Stalking Horse" for others. Sooner or later, the "chickens will come home to roost." Pete, as always. is of course invited to post here.
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Post by Markqpr on Apr 5, 2009 10:15:23 GMT
There is catergoricaly nothing in what the agent said that even indicates that Sousa definately had prior knowledge of Dexter's loan before the time he stated. To state that Sousa is a liar in such definite terms does imply further knowledge as nothing offered up so far backs up that claim.
I would fully support Sousa taking legal action over this, if this ridiculous accusation cannot be proved.
The ignorance and depths some lowlifes will sink to is stunning.
I expect the club to investigate this fully, on the behalf of Sousa, he should be the priority here. How the club proceeds on this matter next will tell us everything in terms of how much support from the board Sousa really does have.
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Post by sandyhoops on Apr 5, 2009 10:39:24 GMT
And Mark - dont hold your breath, either!
If the Club reacts to the WATRB claims that will show they give credence to messageboards and I've a sneaky suspicion they'll want to distance themselves from that sort of thing - even if it means Sousa's character is besmirched as a result (well, it has been already, hasn't it?!)
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Post by sandyhoops on Apr 5, 2009 10:40:51 GMT
Oh & I decided to go have a look on the WATRB site just to see exactly what Pete has written - good blog, btw - and can't even get on to it.
There's something wrong with their site today - altogether now "aah!!"
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Post by Markqpr on Apr 5, 2009 10:53:40 GMT
And Mark - dont hold your breath, either! If the Club reacts to the WATRB claims that will show they give credence to messageboards and I've a sneaky suspicion they'll want to distance themselves from that sort of thing - even if it means Sousa's character is besmirched as a result (well, it has been already, hasn't it?!) It wouldn't show they give credence to what is posted on messageboards, it would show that the clubs integrity is worth something, I think. They have to aknowledge that the boards do exist and like that Sheff. Wed. chap, we should not stand for any type of slander aimed at the club or it's employees, like most businesses, regardless of it's medium. However it might not be sensible for the club to become involved, given the source. There's something wrong with their site today - altogether now "aah!!" There's something wrong with their site.
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Post by sandyhoops on Apr 5, 2009 11:00:21 GMT
However it might not be sensible for the club to become involved, given the source. Mark - that is probably more the truth than anything else There's something wrong with their site today - altogether now "aah!!" There's something wrong with their site. ;D ;D ;D
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Post by QPR Report on Apr 5, 2009 11:06:39 GMT
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Post by scottjones on Apr 5, 2009 11:10:21 GMT
The site should be fine..theres 70 people on it now. I agree with eusebio - the club should just get on with it. Its unfair on the fans, the players and sousa. That avatar is a tad harsh on me i think! But damned funny all the same
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Post by eusebio13 on Apr 5, 2009 11:32:52 GMT
Hi Scott
In your defense you have never led the campaign to oust Sousa and have reported what you "know", I have found some of what you post difficult because saying "I know its going to happen but can't tell you more" is a bit of a tease but I appreciate you may not be able to share. I'm trying to decide whether to bother getting a season ticket fullstop next year and am leaning toward not.
The avatar is probably unfair on all of you but very very funny.
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Post by sandyhoops on Apr 5, 2009 12:04:00 GMT
It must be the original link you posted in your previous post . . . Anyway, I discuss & debate a great many things QPR-ish with a great many people on many, many messageboards - I'm not about to add WATRB to my list, tho! But thanks anyway ;-)
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Post by QPR Report on Apr 5, 2009 23:42:31 GMT
As I posted on another thread, this subject was debated on the dot.org with posts from me and Pete. Pete: Pete's comments included:qpreport
Okay, i don't really want to do this. But you love to stir. What am I doing? I am doing something that you simply cannot do and give an opinion on what I am having to watch. Its okay to be in the comfort of Washington DC, but since January I have watched six 0-0 draws. Have you? Your anti GP campaigns are notorious, on which you were extremely quiet when we being managed under De Canio? Why was that? Yes, because the club was on the up, something you don't seem to revel in. You feel qualified to tell me what I can and cannot say about the current team and the way we are playing, yet you'd admit that you haven't seen a game since 1969. I suspect the very reason you feel the need to air your views on this board (which has many more hits than yours), is that in some way you can create an anti feeling towards me. I already have anti-feeling towards me, so your underhand tactics don't really work. At the end of the day all of us are passionate QPR fans, if I give an opinion that watching games this year has been like watching paint dry, that is my opinion. You cannot have that opinion, as you read and digest info through the media. let me make one thing clear. If Sousa was playing attractive football, playing a consistent team, win, lose or draw I would be behind him. I am allowed an opinion. I was against the appointment of DOWIE? If your theory is correct then I am simply a YES MAN. No, I am frustrated because I'm having to watch total dross and really believed in February we had half a chance of play-offs. I have also stated that we could consider getting in a manager who has experience of buying his own players, that indicates my loyalty to the club and not one man. If we appointed a darren ferguson, Steve Coppell or a Gary Johnson, then we have no need for a sporting director and in the long run that kind of appointment would be good for the club, but not sure with Flavio that would ever happen. qpr-report, I am sure if you actually had to watch what the majority of fans have been watching, you would feel differently to the way you do now, from the comfort of your base in the US of A. and "...qpr-report. Watch at least one game and give me an opinion, until then don't bother. www.qprdot.org/viewtopic.php?t=35839Anyway to be fair to Pete, he's now said he won't be pushing this any further And this is Pete's Blog post on WATRBGiving It To You Straight On Sousa Posted Today at 06:17 PM by qblockpete One or two posters who jump on the bandwagon, plus one who lives across the water in America, find enormous pleasure in trying to put words into my mouth.I don't care who is in charge of the club, I just want to see my club that we all love, play good football and know before I go to matches, what kind of starting 11 I will see. Paulo Sousa is liked by the players, he talks the talk and if/when he gets the team playing with confidence, I will back him 110%. I suspect supporters think my feelings are that of Gianni Paladini, which could not be further from the truth. I know more than one person at the club, but that is an irrevelance. Paulo and Gianni recently went to Wembley together, play even b.loody football tennis with each other, so whilst papers do there best to find a story, I know that Flavio and Sousa had a big disagreement after the Southampton game. I also know, that despite public opinion Gianni does not want Sousa to go. I have my own opinion, not shared by others that I think the football we play is too negative, we are not exciting to watch and for that reason, I am not happy. That can change and My avaitor indicated at the start, I was more for Paulo Sousa than many. If i cannot question why SDC is the lone man up front, then I must know nothing about football I have a very good friend who lives in Doncaster and he got ridiculed by his mates aftre our defeat. What can I say to him? That, I am really happy with the performances? Fans are really split on Blackstock. For me, it was a mistake to let him go. Does it matter that Sousa does or does not? No, not really he didn't figure in his plans anyway. The agent was very specific and said he wanted to move because of the lack of first team opportunities. Who to believe? I don't know, truth in both stories I suspect. Sousa is planning his pre-season and I hope for one, hope he is given the chance, though to say I am happy with our recent performances would be lying. Flavio can be accused of trying to influence team matters, but not under Sousa. He won't be influenced and if SDC plays up front on his own, thats Sousa's choice. If he drops Blackstock, thats also Sousa's choice. Good to see some passion by Sousa at home to Palace, but none of his players replicated that emotion and must be wishing to go on holiday already, before the season even ends. Bitter disappointment in last few weeks on the field. I am not convinced by Sousa, thats my opinion, to which I am entitled. www.wearetherangersboys.com/forum/blog.php?b=131
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Post by FloridaR on Apr 20, 2009 2:01:40 GMT
One or two posters who jump on the bandwagon, plus one who lives across the water in America, find enormous pleasure in trying to put words into my mouth.
Whatever, watrb's the internet soup kitchen for hungry QPR Supporters ' globally '.
someone's typing greek, must be the ghost of Pete/
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Post by QPR Report on Apr 20, 2009 5:04:48 GMT
What really pisses "some" posters is not when you distort what they said, but when you actually quote what they said!
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Post by eusebio13 on Apr 20, 2009 6:41:36 GMT
Well they got on with it but their actions had little to do with being men
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Post by Lonegunmen on Apr 20, 2009 6:54:50 GMT
One or two posters who jump on the bandwagon, plus one who lives across the water in America, find enormous pleasure in trying to put words into my mouth. Whatever, watrb's the internet soup kitchen for hungry QPR Supporters ' globally '. someone's typing greek, must be the ghost of Pete/ I watch "The Soup" on the E channel. Does that count? Joel has to be one of the funnyest, dryest comedians around at the mo. Where's the Kardashians?
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Post by weavie on Apr 21, 2009 0:16:35 GMT
we wont ever get to the bottom of what really happened
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