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Post by harlowranger on Oct 8, 2011 22:37:55 GMT
Yep , the video footage to go with that one is up above . Thanks bushman , went on that link some good clippetts there , the Luton one was a good picture but a bit frightening.
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Post by Bushman on Oct 8, 2011 22:42:41 GMT
When we last met in the old Division One on 7th April 2001 we lost 3-1 at Loftus Road Blackburn at that time were sitting in 2nd place after 38 games whilst QPR lingered down in 23rd place . Blackburn went on to finish Runner's up to Fulham gaining promotion to the Premiership where they have remained whilst we were relegated to the third tier of football.
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Post by Bushman on Oct 8, 2011 22:47:43 GMT
Yep , the video footage to go with that one is up above . Thanks bushman , went on that link some good clippetts there , the Luton one was a good picture but a bit frightening. My Father and Grandfather were at that game against Luton and they said it was a bit of tight fit crowd wise.
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Post by harlowranger on Oct 8, 2011 22:54:09 GMT
looked like they were crammed in like sardines ! Players that have played for both Clubs. 8A) still needs doing you and Maude must have missed it ? 1)Blackburn>QPR>South Shields>Toronto Clarkes?ROY FAULKNER 2)Blackpool>Blackburn>Brentford>QPR>Middlesborough? 3)Chelsea>Luton>QPR>Blackburn >Coventry?ROY WEGERLE 4)Newport C>Hereford>QPR>Newcastle>Blackburn?DARREN PEACOCK 5)Plymouth>Accrington S>Blackburn >Aston Villa>QPR?MIKE FERGUSON 6)Blackburn >QPR>Port Vale>?SIMON BARKER 7)Tottenham H>Blackburn>QPR>Ft Lauderdale Strikers>Swindon? OSSIE ARDILES 8)Tottenham>Sunderland>Tottenham>Blackburn>QPR>? PASCAL CHIMBONDA 8A)BLACKBURN>LEICESTER>PORTSMOUTH >NOTTINGHAM FOREST>QPR? Loans 9)Millwall>Blackburn>QPR(loan)>WBA(loan)>WBA?STEVEN REID 10)Blackburn>Ipswich>Everton>Charlton>Birmingham>QPR(loan)?MARCUS BENT
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Post by Bushman on Oct 9, 2011 0:08:14 GMT
8a. John Curtis
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Post by Macmoish on Oct 9, 2011 9:06:07 GMT
Could if you wanted add: - Managed Both clubs - Played for one. Coached the other
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Post by harlowranger on Oct 9, 2011 10:18:24 GMT
;D i found that one from the programme you put up on the 2001 game , did you notice ?
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Post by harlowranger on Oct 9, 2011 10:38:27 GMT
Could if you wanted add: - Managed Both clubs - Played for one. Coached the other Ray Harford? Succeeding Houston always on a bit of a hiding to nothing after what he had done to the team . I rate Houston as one of our worst Managers ever .
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Post by Bushman on Oct 9, 2011 10:46:36 GMT
;D i found that one from the programme you put up on the 2001 game , did you notice ?
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Post by Macmoish on Oct 9, 2011 10:49:54 GMT
The first one is Ray Harford... 4 wins in 40 games or something like that. An amazingly bad record for someone who was meant to be a great coach. (Just conjures memories of Dowie and Vinnie Jones - and briefly, Mark Kennedy)
Leaving..."Played for one. Coached the other"
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Post by harlowranger on Oct 9, 2011 12:43:45 GMT
Sorry Mac , misread it thought it was all just one , part 2 would guess at Tim Flowers ??
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Post by Macmoish on Oct 9, 2011 12:54:42 GMT
Correct, Mr. Harlowranger... (One of the myriad of QPR coaches who arrived and departed during the Paladini-Briatore (error) "era"
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Post by gramps on Oct 9, 2011 13:08:34 GMT
First home League meeting. Rangers won 4-1. Goal Scorers : Parkinson 2. Hatton. Hartburn. I saw that game - always went to the Christmas period games at LR in those days even if I missed others. I remember this because my old mate Alfie Parkinson got two goals which was a rarity for him. We ended up 13th in the Second Division that year and Blackburn were 14th. And look at the name of the tailor advertising on the left. Nothing to do with me though even if the name's the same.
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Post by maudesfishnchips on Oct 9, 2011 16:07:52 GMT
sir les had two seasons being pipped by shearer as top goal scorer i think,
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Post by harlowranger on Oct 9, 2011 16:26:50 GMT
sir les had two seasons being pipped by shearer as top goal scorer i think, 95-96 Shearer 31 Fowler 28 Ferdinand 25 94-95 Shearer 34 Fowler 25 Ferdinand 24 93-94 Cole 34 Shearer 31 Ferdinand (12th )16 may have been injured that year. 92-93 Sheringham 22 Ferdinand 20 Shearer (5th)16
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Post by maudesfishnchips on Oct 9, 2011 16:36:06 GMT
not exactly pipped then! i'm rubbish.
still, he came close with teddy
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Post by harlowranger on Oct 9, 2011 16:49:26 GMT
What we could do for a Striker that scores you 20+ goals 3 seasons out of 4 though eh Maude, thats gonna take some doing ? Do you think we will ever have a Striker that can score those goals like that. 4 Seasons 85 goals, average 21 per year.thats some record.
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Post by maudesfishnchips on Oct 9, 2011 18:59:55 GMT
not this season h thats for sure!, maybe if we get one of our youngsters through for next, or even troy hewitt, this is our best chance to get a striker that will emulate what les done for us.
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Post by harlowranger on Oct 9, 2011 19:27:21 GMT
Would much rather Sir Les was coaching our young Strikers rather than Spurs.
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Post by maudesfishnchips on Oct 9, 2011 19:32:35 GMT
Would much rather Sir Les was coaching our young Strikers rather than Spurs. agree with that.
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Post by Macmoish on Oct 9, 2011 19:52:14 GMT
So many of the best coaches were terrible players, so who's to say...
In fact maybe one day we can hope that Pellicori will train our forwards...Tchakounte will train the midfield...Borrowdale will train our defense
And Kevin Dyer will one day challenge Matt Rose in becoming physiotherapist
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Post by harlowranger on Oct 9, 2011 20:12:40 GMT
THE MAN IN THE BOWLER HAT-The lasting legacy of Fred Pentland 10.9.2011
The international break has finally passed and, unsurprisingly, there has been much debate about the inadequacies of the English national team.
The typical unconvincing, disjointed displays have left English fans even more envious as they look at the sheer volume of talent available to Spain.
As the pitying self-reflection continues, the conclusion is always the same. Technique is a mere second to physicality.
It always has been, and should any coach try to implement anything else then they are fighting a losing battle.
This attitude has, unfortunately, robbed England of some of the great coaching talents…
One such visionary is Fred Pentland.
Fred Pentland the England international. A footballer from Wolverhampton, he played for Middlesbrough, QPR and Blackburn amongst other teams, in a fairly unspectacular career from 1903-1913.
As a coach however, he most certainly was spectacular.
He was an advocate of the short-passing game; he made sure his players played the ball to feet. No kick-and-rush, no over-reliance on brute strength, just simple passing and movement.
And did England benefit from a coach with expansive and original ideas? No, of course not.
The country that benefitted from his football philosophy was none other than Spain.
The very same country that England are so desperate to replicate now.
Fred Pentland was your typical eccentric English gentleman; complete with a bowler hat and large cigar.
Certainly not a person you would imagine is responsible for the beginning of Spain’s glorious footballing philosophy.
Before his break into Spanish football, Pentland had already coached both Germany and France to the Olympics as hard as that is to believe nowadays.
Back then however, many British coaches went abroad and achieved great success. There were very few opportunities back home to implement different styles and tactics in football.
England was rooted and stubborn. Their way or nothing.
He joined Racing Santander in 1920 and, after only one year, he was snapped up by Basque giants Athletic Club.
Pentland truly announced himself in Bilbao, becoming one of the most forward-thinking coaches ever to grace the game.
The man known as ‘el mister’ to his players, a term still used for any La Liga coach today, revolutionised the famous club.
He also put his own stamp on the side; from the way they played the game, to making sure his players tied their boot laces correctly.
Spanish football had not seen anything like it, and it soon began to pay off as he led the side to Copa del Rey victory in 1923.
Despite the cup win, two trophy-less seasons followed and a feeling of restlessness grew.
He soon moved on and managed both Atletico Madrid and Real Oviedo at different times from 1925-1929, during which he guided Atletico to victory in the Campeonato del Centro.
He also helped coach the Spanish national side in 1929 and – as if it was planned all along – he inflicted England’s first defeat to a non-British nation as Spain beat them 4-3.
By this time, Pentland’s managerial ability had made him one of the most sought-after coaches in Spain.
Athletic Club persuaded the Englishman to return north soon after, where he went on to guide them through the greatest period of success in their history.
After laying down the foundations in the early 1920’s, the Basque’s had taken his blueprint and mastered it further.
In his first season back, Pentland comfortably delivered the league and cup double.
The success continued into the following season as another league and cup triumph was repeated.
The Copa Del Rey was eventually won four times in a row from 1930-1933, with the side finishing runners-up in the league in 1932 and 1933.
The memorial to the legendary 'el mister' Athletic Club were by far the best team in Spain.
Their attractive possession football and prolific goal scoring ability left its mark on the Spanish game that is still felt today.
Athletic’s 12-1 demolition of Barcelona during Pentland’s reign, remains the heaviest defeat in the famous Catalan club’s history.
Probably the greatest testament to Pentland’s philosophy however, is the fact that the rest of Spain soon followed in his footsteps.
Barcelona and Real Madrid, to name but two, adopted the Englishman’s patient passing style.
They played in much the same way as he had set out his Bilbao side in the early 1920’s.
From this change, they began to regularly deliver trophies and have not looked back since.
Fred Pentland is certainly not remembered in his homeland like he is in Spain, and particularly Bilbao.
It is likely that his ideas were too much for him to settle in English football.
Not that it matters, as he is revered as a true legend in the history of the Basque club.
They accepted his footballing philosophy, and developed it into their own footballing identity.
So next time you hear an English commentator wax lyrical over Barcelona’s imperious style or the sheer class of Spain, it is worth remembering that they all owe something to the maverick Englishman in the bowler hat.
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Post by Bushman on Oct 9, 2011 21:53:41 GMT
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Post by harlowranger on Oct 9, 2011 21:58:29 GMT
:-*Thanks , the Man in the bowler hat ! Found that very interesting .
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Post by terryb on Oct 10, 2011 17:29:05 GMT
Bushman,
The match in 67. Is that the game that gave us the famous photo of Rodney with the caption "Rodney's back"?
I have always thought it was but I could easily be wrong.
Also, did we play them in the first Charity Shield between clubs (previously Professionals v Amateurs)?
My father has been a Blackburn man since 1928 & he had the pleasure of being taken by my brother to Ewood Park to see a Rangers victory on the day that Alan Spratley was attcked on the pitch.
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Post by londonranger on Oct 10, 2011 18:21:09 GMT
Remember talking to Roy Wegerle here playing for US and asked him if he liked playing for us better than blackburn, he was cordial and said that its much colder up there. More than that he kept to himself.
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Post by harlowranger on Oct 10, 2011 19:17:54 GMT
The last two photos bushman i really enjoyed , didnt know much about him last week but know heaps more a week later. nice that he got that testimonial game a couple of years before he died.
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Post by Bushman on Oct 10, 2011 20:31:57 GMT
Bushman, The match in 67. Is that the game that gave us the famous photo of Rodney with the caption "Rodney's back"? I have always thought it was but I could easily be wrong. Also, did we play them in the first Charity Shield between clubs (previously Professionals v Amateurs)? My father has been a Blackburn man since 1928 & he had the pleasure of being taken by my brother to Ewood Park to see a Rangers victory on the day that Alan Spratley was attcked on the pitch. Marsh made his comeback against Southend at Roots Hall 8th Nov 1967 in a London Midweek League match after he had broken a bone in his right foot during pre season. Rangers won 1-0 Marsh scored the winner. In his second comeback game and first at Loftus Rd a week later also against Southend in the Midweek League. The Rodney's Back photo was on the front cover of the programme. Rangers won 3-1 Marsh scored one goal in this game. I was in a crowd of just under 8,000 who watched this reserve game. Marsh made his First team comeback against Middlesbrough 18th Nov 1967 Rangers won 1-0. Marsh scored the winner. Terry. The Charity Shield Match you mention. Click on the link below: qprreport.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=history&thread=25052&page=1
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Post by terryb on Oct 11, 2011 17:52:31 GMT
Bushman,
Thanks for that.
I actually had a different photo in mind for Rodney's back!
I was thinking that this was the photo of him with his back to us & a loo roll streaming past him. I think Mac at some point mentioned this as his favourite Rodney photo.
It was that photo that I think was taken after he had scored against Blackburn in the 67 game. However, you may well know differently!
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Post by Bushman on Oct 11, 2011 23:13:34 GMT
Bushman, Thanks for that. I actually had a different photo in mind for Rodney's back! I was thinking that this was the photo of him with his back to us & a loo roll streaming past him. I think Mac at some point mentioned this as his favourite Rodney photo. It was that photo that I think was taken after he had scored against Blackburn in the 67 game. However, you may well know differently! Your right mate. Check it out on the History Board under Rodney Marsh.
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