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Post by cpr on May 3, 2011 17:40:22 GMT
Paladini having nothing to say except, enjoy the sun, is worrying. Or is it? Maybe he's seen the light. Didn't exactly look chuffed and who was that speeding away from him
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coitparkrangers
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Post by coitparkrangers on May 3, 2011 17:44:02 GMT
Yes I would definitely bring up point 5 myself. Double standards. I say kick them all out if they can't play fair. They want to qualify for Europe? Have their own bloody league.
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Post by blockhead on May 3, 2011 17:44:09 GMT
what? enjoy the sun newspaper?
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Post by cpr on May 3, 2011 17:48:25 GMT
Indeed, I think it might have been Ishan.
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Post by cpr on May 3, 2011 17:50:34 GMT
Ian Mill simply repeated, no comment and got in his car. A bit strange the other two walked down to the street corner rather than zipping away in a speeding vehicle.
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coitparkrangers
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Post by coitparkrangers on May 3, 2011 17:55:38 GMT
I wish I had SSN now. Or maybe not, as I would be glued to it for 72 hours.
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Post by cpr on May 3, 2011 17:57:39 GMT
That is a problem Colt but fortunately there's another Spanish ruck coming up soon! ;D Mourinho in a basket for dinner anyone? ;D
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Post by bowles on May 3, 2011 18:11:35 GMT
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Post by Macmoish on May 3, 2011 18:12:56 GMT
"No comment" from our lawyer doesn't sound good. Would have expected a more expansive expression of confidence in the outcome, etc, etc
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Post by eskey8 on May 3, 2011 18:22:40 GMT
Unless they have argued the media (ie the sun) have had too much input already - therefore wishing to literally make no comment until its over.
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Post by RoryTheRanger on May 3, 2011 18:24:47 GMT
I'm not sure what the 'no comment' means but at the moment I am a little worried.
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Post by Macmoish on May 3, 2011 18:56:53 GMT
I imagine there will be leaks somewhere. If things are going well, you'll read them in ITK comments. If things are going badly, will be in the silence and the caveats and the media stories.
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Post by Macmoish on May 3, 2011 18:58:55 GMT
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Post by harlowranger on May 3, 2011 18:59:46 GMT
QPR verdict not expected until Friday The Football Association hearing which could yet decide whether QPR play Barclays Premier League football next season finally got under way at Wembley today, but news on a potential outcome is not expected until Friday. Neil Warnock's side have won the npower Championship, but their place among the elite remains in the balance as they face a possible points deduction over seven charges relating to the registration of Argentinian midfielder Alejandro Faurlin in 2009. The verdict from an Independent Regulatory Commission is scheduled just a day before the final round of Championship fixtures, meaning any appeal could possibly delay the play-offs. Rangers and chairman Gianni Paladini deny the charges and were represented today by Ian Mill QC, who acted for Sheffield United in the Carlos Tevez affair which saw the rules on third-party ownership clarified. The charges facing QPR concern the alleged existence of an agreement between the club and a third party in respect of Faurlin's economic rights, and the alleged failure by the club to notify the FA of that agreement before the player was registered to play in England in July 2009. The club have also been charged with allegedly using or seeking to pay an unauthorised agent as part of the Faurlin deal, while both the club and Paladini have further been charged with allegedly submitting false information in documents provided to the FA relating to a contract extension signed by Faurlin in October. Sections of the media last week claimed QPR could be hit with a 15-point deduction, which would condemn them to a place in the play-offs, although the FA were swift to distance themselves from those reports. And the Football League declined to comment on reports that they have warned teams in the play-offs that the competition may be delayed pending the outcome of the disciplinary case. Rangers are five points clear of promoted Norwich and nine ahead of third-placed Cardiff with one game remaining, meaning there is room for a points deduction which would not ultimately affect the play-offs. Former Football Association chief executive Mark Palios feels a points deduction is inevitable. Palios told BBC Radio Four: "There is a lot of precedent around playing an ineligible player and that ranges from the clerical errors around the transfer window, when they get small points deductions, to more serious situations. "I think following the Tevez affair it is necessary for a statement to be made. This is more serious than a clerical error, so deserves a points deduction almost certainly. "The second charge with regard to illegal payment to agents, I think there is a precedent when Luton got 10 points deducted for doing that. "Interestingly, the FA said they tried and didn't say they actually did make the payments to unregistered agents." Tevez's goals helped West Ham stay in the Premier League in 2007, before he left for Manchester United. However, Sheffield United, then managed by Warnock, lodged a legal challenge after they were relegated and details of Tevez's complicated third-party ownership came to light. West Ham were not docked any points and instead fined £5.5million and ordered to pay the Blades, who last week were relegated to League One, £20million in compensation. Read more: www.mirrorfootball.co.uk/news/An-outcome-is-not-expected-until-Friday-in-the-FA-hearing-which-could-decide-whether-QPR-play-in-Premier-League-next-season-article731419.html#ixzz1LJjt2Gb9 Sign up for MirrorFootball's Morning Spy newsletter Register here
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Post by londonranger on May 3, 2011 19:04:08 GMT
whats this ssn then mates?
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Post by froggyranger on May 3, 2011 19:21:43 GMT
SKY SPORTS NEWS lONDON
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Post by cpr on May 3, 2011 19:24:49 GMT
Ian Mill would, quite rightly, say, no comment. Read nothing into that, it's his job.
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Post by harlowranger on May 3, 2011 19:25:12 GMT
No Comment
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Post by londonranger on May 3, 2011 19:26:23 GMT
NOW THIS IS THE BEST STORY FOR US MATES IMO
Soccernet.
PR ruling could leave league in limbo May 3, 2011 Email Print By Dale Johnson (Archive) Four years ago Carlos Tevez scored the only goal of the game for West Ham United at Manchester United, a goal that kept the Hammers in the Premier League ultimately at the expense of Neil Warnock's Sheffield United.
GettyImages Alejandro Faurlin's ownership is the key to the case against QPR Tevez, as we are all now well aware, arrived at West Ham essentially on secondment from Kia Joorabchian's MSI investment group, something West Ham decided not to tell the Premier League and which, in many people's eyes, should have resulted in a points deduction.
None more so than Warnock, who spent months accusing the Football Association of lacking bite and fudging the inquiry as the Blades went down on the last day. Today, Warnock is playing a very different tune as his Queens Park Rangers side wait anxiously to find out if they will rejoin English football's elite next season.
QPR sealed the Championship title with victory at Watford on Saturday with celebrations that were, understandably, a little more muted than Norwich's after they confirmed the second automatic slot at Portsmouth on Monday. The QPR fans are well aware that doubts hang over their place back in the Premier League.
QPR's automatic promotion fate may be decided at Wembley this week, and they will be desperate not to be forced to return to the stadium at the end of the month in a possible play-off final.
Newspaper speculation suggests they could lose as many as 15 points - just two weeks after whispers indicated a positive outcome for the Loftus Road club. Warnock may continue to stand firm in his belief that they will be exonerated, but it now appears unlikely they will receive the sort of leniency that saw West Ham escape with a £5.5 million fine.
It's remarkable that the FA has managed to get itself into this position for a second time. West Ham's punishment was handed down on April 28, with a points deduction ruled out by an independent panel as that would have meant certain relegation for the East London club amid fears of ongoing legal battles. As it was, the legal battles did go on but not so that the league calendar was affected. That may not be the case this time.
QPR's fate will be revealed even later, with the decision over the transfer of Alejandro Faurlin from Instituto in 2009 set for Friday, May 6 - 24 hours before the final day of the Championship season. It threatens to throw the end of season into turmoil should QPR be deducted enough points to send them out of the automatic places and into the play-offs.
There are links between the Faurlin and Tevez cases - including Warnock and Ian Mill QC, who represented Sheffield United over Tevez and is now fighting QPR's corner - but nothing to set any precedent. Back in 2007 there was no specific rule to bar clubs from third party ownership, with West Ham's charges based around them entering into an agreement with another party who could influence their use of the player.
That has now changed, but when QPR signed Faurlin in what they claimed was a £3.5 million deal in the summer of 2009 the rules had not been adopted by the Football League, which means they may argue there was no rule to break. The Football League fell into line with the Premier League at the start of this season, when QPR applied to buy the outright ownership of the midfielder. They were directed to the FA to complete the paperwork, which began an investigation into the transfer.
While West Ham pleaded guilty to all charges in a bid for leniency, QPR and chairman Gianni Paladini are fighting it all the way.
PA Photos Neil Warnock celebrates with Alejandro Faurlin and Adel Taarabt The whole case is going to centre on exactly what QPR told the authorities in 2009, both in terms of the player's contract and the intricate details of his transfer.
Although QPR claim to have paid £3.5 million to Instituto, the club actually received no money from Rangers. Faurlin had affectively come to the end of a leasing arrangement from his true owners, three Argentine agents, and as such they had no economic rights. It could be the alleged illegal payments made to an unlicensed agent which are the Rs' biggest downfall, with Luton Town docked 10 points for a similar offence recently.
There is pressure on the FA to right the wrongs of the Tevez case at the first opportunity; by docking QPR points it can set a precedent.
No one wants a disciplinary hearing such as this to take place in the final week of the season - and that goes for players, managers, chairmen, the FA and the Football League. So how has the FA managed to cook up a convoluted disciplinary process which lands them in precisely that position?
Although the charges relating to Faurlin - the QPR fans' and players' Player of the Year in 2009-10 - were only announced in March, the FA had been looking into the deal for six months. And still it will only manage to reach a conclusion on the eve of the season's finale.
It leaves not just the FA, but more notably the Football League, backed into a corner. If QPR are docked enough points to knock them out of the automatic promotion places they are certain to lodge an appeal; they have 10 days to do so.
The Championship play-offs are due to begin on May 12, which will be impossible should an appeal be necessary. The number of points deducted will have a direct bearing on which sides play each other in the play-offs, as well as who has home advantage. And if QPR fail in their appeal they are certain to look at every other avenue to test the ruling.
QPR have worked steadily to achieve a return to the top flight, backed by the millions of Flavio Briatore, Bernie Ecclestone and Lakshmi Mittal and, considering their wealth, it is likely they will investigate every option to ensure their investment obtains its place among the riches of the Premier League.
While it is thought the Football League has already drawn up a new play-off schedule in anticipation of a points deduction, QPR's next move will be crucial and could leave English football in limbo. The situation could have been easily avoidable had the FA not dithered and sorted out the case in a more timely manner. It has had almost eight months to do so.
If the Football League cannot get the play-off final staged on May 30 as planned, a two-week international break follows which could easily rob the finalists of key players. That would make June 12 the next available date for a final - six days before the new season's fixture list should be published.
It's a situation which has infuriated those managers in the play-offs who will be affected by the ruling. Swansea boss Brendan Rodgers and Dave Jones at Cardiff have both expressed their dismay at the timing of the hearing.
If QPR are docked seven points or more Cardiff will be back in the hunt for automatic promotion; nine points and Swansea remarkably come back into contention. If it is as much as 15 points then Cardiff and Swansea will battle it out to join newly-crowned champions Norwich in the Premier League.
But none of those teams want to meet the best side in the division in the play-offs. While it would be a huge task for QPR to recover and win the play-offs, they still have the better players and, arguably, a better manager than any of the four other clubs who could contest the play-offs.
It does not seem beyond the realms of possibility that the FA will hand down a face-saving six-point penalty and a considerable fine.
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Post by Macmoish on May 3, 2011 19:29:43 GMT
Ian Mill would, quite rightly, say, no comment. Read nothing into that, it's his job. If you say so. Maybe that's the English legal way. And that's reassuring. It is certainly not the US way, where they try and spin and sway opinion in their statements. But I'm sure I'm not alone to feel an increasing sense of doom and gloom over what they're going to do.
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Post by londonranger on May 3, 2011 19:30:28 GMT
Like it wasnt a football league rule. Only for prem. Best sense Ive read and thought. Take heart me old mates. I see alight.
Just beat Leeds large on Saturday. Eskey me old China , cheer up..
This is what CP was alluding too wasnt it? when he said no points.
This geezer said 6 which suits us right. Buck up, see a funny film have a cupple pints at the boozer and sleep like a baby.
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Post by RoryTheRanger on May 3, 2011 19:34:35 GMT
That was a great read London
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Post by londonranger on May 3, 2011 19:38:59 GMT
Ta very much Rory.
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Post by harlowranger on May 3, 2011 19:39:38 GMT
Queens Park Rangers' promotion to Premier League hangs in the balance as FA hearing begins The Football Association hearing which will decide whether Queens Park Rangers play Premier League football next season got under way at Wembley on Tuesday, with the club represented by the QC who won Sheffield United £26.5 million in damages over the Carlos Tévez affair. Player in the spotlight: QPR face a possible points deduction over their dealings in relation to Alejandro Faurlin Photo: ACTION IMAGESBy Telegraph staff and agencies 8:04PM BST 03 May 2011 Comment Neil Warnock’s side have won the Championship, but their place among the elite remains in the balance as they face a possible points deduction over seven charges relating to the registration of Argentine midfielder Alejandro Faurlin in 2009.
The verdict from an Independent Regulatory Commission is scheduled for Friday, a day before the final Championship fixtures, meaning any appeal could delay the play-offs.
Rangers and chairman Gianni Paladini deny the charges and were represented by Ian Mill QC, who acted for Sheffield United in the Tévez affair in which the rules on third-party ownership were clarified.
The charges facing QPR concern the alleged existence of an agreement between the club and a third party in respect of Faurlin’s economic rights, and the alleged failure by the club to notify the FA of that agreement before the player was registered to play in England in July 2009.
The club have also been charged with allegedly using or seeking to pay an unauthorised agent as part of the Faurlin deal, while both the club and Paladini have further been charged with allegedly submitting false information in documents provided to the FA relating to a contract extension signed by Faurlin in October.
Related Articles QPR promotion under threat 02 May 2011 Paladini vows to fight for QPR justice 01 May 2011 Warnock 'fearless' ahead of FA hearing 01 May 2011 FA play down QPR 'docked 15 points' report 30 Apr 2011 QPR sound defiant note as promotion threatened 29 Apr 2011 Watford 0 Queens Park Rangers 2 30 Apr 2011 Rangers are five points clear of promoted Norwich and nine ahead of third-placed Cardiff with one game remaining, meaning there is room for a points deduction which would not ultimately affect the play-offs.
Former FA chief executive Mark Palios feels a points deduction is inevitable. He said: “There is a lot of precedent around playing an ineligible player and that ranges from the clerical errors around the transfer window, when they get small points deductions, to more serious situations. This is more serious than a clerical error, so deserves a points deduction almost certainly.
“The second charge with regard to illegal payment to agents, I think there is a precedent when Luton got 10 points deducted for doing that.”
Tévez’s goals helped West Ham stay up in 2007. However, Sheffield United, then managed by Warnock, lodged a legal challenge after they were relegated and details of Tévez’s third-party ownership came to light. West Ham were not docked points but were fined £5.5 million and ordered to pay Sheffield £20 million compensation
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Post by londonranger on May 3, 2011 19:50:41 GMT
dont like this one.
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Post by RoryTheRanger on May 3, 2011 20:01:25 GMT
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Post by harlowranger on May 3, 2011 20:03:55 GMT
Great read London thanks and its possibly the way i think it could go , 6 points.
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Post by Macmoish on May 3, 2011 20:07:46 GMT
I imagine that those ITK people who half way through last season suddenly pronounced that Faurlin was not a Magilton find/choice but a Paladini find/sigining kind of regret their action!
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Post by londonranger on May 3, 2011 20:13:45 GMT
Lots of weird stuff could be floating around Mac, agree. thanks H. rory, that Telegraph piece sounds like them, and they give us the kibosh with the ex FA guy, but of course hes gonna support his old FA club. and I never saw the Tele as just more than a glorifed tabloid, really.
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Post by harlowranger on May 3, 2011 20:17:18 GMT
But we got Simon Jordan
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