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Post by superckat on May 3, 2011 10:06:06 GMT
Nodge has always stated that he thought that we would get points deducted. He has never said how much and from what I recall can never mentioned us being demoted to play off. But from day one of this story has said the same thing and has backed up his opinions a lot more than any of the news stories I've read. Doesn't make him right. But to be fair he is pretty knowledgeable and when he posts. He gets my attention.
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Post by cpr on May 3, 2011 10:13:55 GMT
We can't use another country's FA in our defence. If so, quote Spain and Italy for example, where third party ownership is in continual use for South American players. This gives them unfair trading advantage.
The FA didn't even have the rules when we signed Faurlin. The Football League didn't either, hence it was passed to the FA as the league could make no ruling, the FA had subsequently brought in the rules.
The only iffy charge for me is the falsification of documentation. The charges would imply this is a specific for Paladini's charge. I can't see anything in the charges to warrant a points deduction!
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Post by RoryTheRanger on May 3, 2011 10:18:07 GMT
Just got this from the dot org, yet again not sure if true but is certainly interesting. www.qprdot.org/viewtopic.php?t=52824just been sent the below from a colleague. Read into it what you will. "I have spent 30 minutes on the phone to my friend this evening who is a Council member of a county association of the FA, I attempted to drill him on what he said to me last week about the exact nature of the charges against QPR. Well tonight he has told me he has been told that QPR have admitted the charge of using an unlicensed agent in their written response to the FA. QPR have however put forward the defence that the agent "Peppino Pirri" was used in the discussions leading up to the agreement and this took place before 4th July 2009 when the new FA regulations came into effect. QPR submitted the registration documents on Monday 5th July and received clearance on Wednesday 7th July 2009 and the word is the FA is unsure how the IRC will view this information. Has there been an infringement of the regulations yes but how will the IRC view these mitigating circumstances apparently the FA are concerned the charge may be dismissed. However the 3rd party ownership charges are considered stronger even with the fact the documents were submitted the day after the regulations came into force, QPR are again using the defence that ALL the documents were completed and signed prior to the regulations coming into force and have therefore denied all charges. The story is that the FA are unsure how the IRC will view these almost cross over dates and it may just be possible that these 3rd party ownership charges will be thrown out. That will only leave Mr Paladini and the false documents and apparently he is bang to rights so maybe he will be the only one to feel the barbed stick. Maybe just maybe he has been the target throughout."
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Post by powerpump on May 3, 2011 10:21:14 GMT
I don't think an experienced lawyer like Mr Mill would take on a case like this if he wasn't confident we would win - remember some lawyers are mercenaries and: -it may be that behind the scenes our QC has tried to settle this case without a "trial" but is met with obstinance from his own clients which could make things worse for us.A nightmare to think if the opposition lawyer is a good cross examiner of our "witnesses". -I agree that the longer the case goes on the more ominous it may be. -the good news is that our manager has been told by the QC that worse case scenario is a fine, and a leading lawyer is unlikely to say that unless the chances are high that it will be so.
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Post by cpr on May 3, 2011 10:22:39 GMT
That's very similar to what I've said Rory.
Must be right ;D
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Post by maudesfishnchips on May 3, 2011 10:24:20 GMT
Just got this from the dot org, yet again not sure if true but is certainly interesting. www.qprdot.org/viewtopic.php?t=52824just been sent the below from a colleague. Read into it what you will. "I have spent 30 minutes on the phone to my friend this evening who is a Council member of a county association of the FA, I attempted to drill him on what he said to me last week about the exact nature of the charges against QPR. Well tonight he has told me he has been told that QPR have admitted the charge of using an unlicensed agent in their written response to the FA. QPR have however put forward the defence that the agent "Peppino Pirri" was used in the discussions leading up to the agreement and this took place before 4th July 2009 when the new FA regulations came into effect. QPR submitted the registration documents on Monday 5th July and received clearance on Wednesday 7th July 2009 and the word is the FA is unsure how the IRC will view this information. Has there been an infringement of the regulations yes but how will the IRC view these mitigating circumstances apparently the FA are concerned the charge may be dismissed. However the 3rd party ownership charges are considered stronger even with the fact the documents were submitted the day after the regulations came into force, QPR are again using the defence that ALL the documents were completed and signed prior to the regulations coming into force and have therefore denied all charges. The story is that the FA are unsure how the IRC will view these almost cross over dates and it may just be possible that these 3rd party ownership charges will be thrown out. That will only leave Mr Paladini and the false documents and apparently he is bang to rights so maybe he will be the only one to feel the barbed stick. Maybe just maybe he has been the target throughout." that last sentence made me smile
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Post by RoryTheRanger on May 3, 2011 10:24:44 GMT
Must be cpr, also just seen someone say that we had a parade on sunday but it has now been cancelled. Don't believe that one myself.
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Post by RoryTheRanger on May 3, 2011 10:27:01 GMT
Any thing interesting from outside Wembley on SSN yet?
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Post by Macmoish on May 3, 2011 10:29:14 GMT
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Post by eskey8 on May 3, 2011 10:37:04 GMT
Its only 11.30 on tuesday morning and I already have no nails left - what kind of state am I gonna be in come friday?!!
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Post by RoryTheRanger on May 3, 2011 10:44:21 GMT
Eskey, I think by Friday I will be curled up in a ball on the floor, slowly rocking from side to side
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Post by haqpr1963 on May 3, 2011 10:44:54 GMT
Its only 11.30 on tuesday morning and I already have no nails left - what kind of state am I gonna be in come friday?!! At least you won't have to buy a long sleeve shirt for next season........
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Post by eskey8 on May 3, 2011 10:49:59 GMT
Its only 11.30 on tuesday morning and I already have no nails left - what kind of state am I gonna be in come friday?!! At least you won't have to buy a long sleeve shirt for next season........ ;D
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Post by eskey8 on May 3, 2011 11:01:07 GMT
I have started to follow this Paul Smith chap on twitter - He has just mention any updates he receives he will post via twitter. If anyone else wants to follow him - @smudge1962
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Post by cpr on May 3, 2011 11:06:31 GMT
SSN just keep showing our legal eagle walking in with his box of papers. Unique double on the way. League champions and a Wembley win. ;D
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Post by RoryTheRanger on May 3, 2011 11:12:23 GMT
Just seen Paladini enter FA HQ on SSN, interesting stuff from Swanson talking about the play offs
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Post by sirlesofqpr on May 3, 2011 11:29:55 GMT
just heard palios expects a points deduction, this does not look too promising could only happen to our club. Whatever the end result paladini has to go to avoid any more rubbish like this in the future. I see we are on BBC and not Sky on Saturday.
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Post by cpr on May 3, 2011 11:31:13 GMT
I missed Gianni's arrival Rory! I would like to say, that the media speculation is looking far too orchestrated to me now. Like a softening up process. Hope our legal team ensure this is raised.
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Post by RoryTheRanger on May 3, 2011 11:45:58 GMT
I actually lost sleep last night cause of all this, I just want Friday to come faster so we know where we stand. Its disgusting that the FA don't care what all this is doing to us, the fans.
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Post by Jon Doeman on May 3, 2011 11:47:49 GMT
I actually lost sleep last night cause of all this, I just want Friday to come faster so we know where we stand. Its disgusting that the FA don't care what all this is doing to us, the fans. Same here been up since 5
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Post by powerpump on May 3, 2011 12:06:07 GMT
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Post by RoryTheRanger on May 3, 2011 12:11:56 GMT
Palios knows nothing about this case, listen to Simon Jordan on Talksport, he speaks a lot more sense
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Post by Macmoish on May 3, 2011 12:16:01 GMT
We can point this commentary or that commentary - depending whether we want to be scared/depressed or bolstered/reassured....But of course: It's those "Four Wise Men" who are all that count.
I STILL don't understand. This was supposed to be a Done Deal...and a complete exoneration - except for just possibly some minor slip up and a slap on the wrist.
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Post by RoryTheRanger on May 3, 2011 12:19:42 GMT
Do we know yet who exactly is on the board for the hearing?
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Post by haqpr1963 on May 3, 2011 12:26:24 GMT
The whole thing is doing my head in. This whole season has been without a doubt one of the best I can remember in over 40 years of supporting the R's. Top 2 for the entire season and top for all but 2 games (one of those being alphabetically). Bloody brilliant, brilliant season and brilliant display by NW, the coaching staff and the team. Now I don't think that we are going to be deducted enough points to miss out on promotion. Many seem to be happy with a fine as punishment, but if that happens then it means that we are guilty. And the main thing is that it will taint the whole season, just think how the fans of other clubs will see it (let alone the constant whining from our South Wales bretheren!!!!) So, if we are fined we are still guilty, so someone has to take responsability. As Mark Bright said last night : Brighty : (Talking about the FA thing). The players, the manager, the coaching staff, the fans have all done their bit. They deserve promotion. What's happened is out of their hands, it's in the office, it's the clerical side of things that is where the disappointment is.......Nobody ever said it would be easy being an R.......
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Post by froggyranger on May 3, 2011 12:33:16 GMT
I don't think an experienced lawyer like Mr Mill would take on a case like this if he wasn't confident we would win - remember some lawyers are mercenaries and: -it may be that behind the scenes our QC has tried to settle this case without a "trial" but is met with obstinance from his own clients which could make things worse for us.A nightmare to think if the opposition lawyer is a good cross examiner of our "witnesses". -I agree that the longer the case goes on the more ominous it may be. -the good news is that our manager has been told by the QC that worse case scenario is a fine, and a leading lawyer is unlikely to say that unless the chances are high that it will be so. Just my 2 pennies worth re QC's. I was involved in a huge court arbitration case with 2 QC''s from Blackstone Chambers representing me, my colleaguer and my company. We ended up with huge legal fees and ultimately lost the case resulting in our company being disbanded and 200 people made redundant. Legal fees were over 20 million (i kid you not). A QC is great to have on your side but if the judges don't like what they here you are screwed no matter who you have defending you. One of the QC's we used had the nickname "Pitball" and it didn't do us any good. Not trying to be negative just saying that having a good QC doesn't neccessarily make much difference.
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Post by haqpr1963 on May 3, 2011 12:38:36 GMT
Cheers for that Froggy.......... How is the tadpole? ?
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Post by Macmoish on May 3, 2011 12:42:52 GMT
It's going to be a tough Tuesday...Wednesday...Thursday...Friday
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Post by scarletpimple on May 3, 2011 12:50:52 GMT
Simon jordan was on talksport, and has defended QPR said QPR have nothing to answer for apart from being silly and bigging up the fourlin transfer fee, he said nothing more than a financial slap on the wrist.
He has gone right up in my estimation.
Also think he said club will or is issuing a writ (poss sun).
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Post by eusebio13 on May 3, 2011 13:09:39 GMT
Any thing interesting from outside Wembley on SSN yet? Just been to the Stadium and there are two camera crews and 4 or 5 journos but they said that QPR are still inside.
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