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Post by bowles on Apr 9, 2011 19:13:33 GMT
"H" man can you please please please give me some stats to make me feel better after today!!!! Maybe in a funny way its what rangers need to give them a kick up the arse! they probadly thought they only had to turn up today to beat scunny!
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Post by harlowranger on Apr 9, 2011 19:22:23 GMT
"H" man can you please please please give me some stats to make me feel better after today!!!! Maybe in a funny way its what rangers need to give them a kick up the arse! they probadly thought they only had to turn up today to beat scunny! OK see what i can do , wouldnt have been so bad had Cardiff not nicked it and if we didnt have this FA thing hovering , wouldnt have hurt at all but you cant help thinking sometimes would those points today be the ones we may need! Im making you feel more depressed only bet on the horses once a year , all four of my family picked up nothing , 9 different horses zilch , there im depressed what are the odds on that ? Give me 1/2 hr see what i can do !
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Post by Jon Doeman on Apr 9, 2011 19:22:23 GMT
I bet he points you in the direction of his 86 points thread!
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Post by Jon Doeman on Apr 9, 2011 19:23:32 GMT
Just beat me and no mention of it!
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Post by cpr on Apr 9, 2011 19:33:50 GMT
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Post by bowles on Apr 9, 2011 20:17:34 GMT
nice CPR! now can you tell me the f.a defo will not be deducting any points off us!
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Post by harlowranger on Apr 9, 2011 20:27:53 GMT
Well i dont have much time to do something cause i know your on your 6th bottle of Maners so i keep it very short and sweety ! Newcastle we are very strong team last year getting over 100pts they managed to get 16 points from there last 6 games. Which would mean we need 6 points out of our eighteen and nobody apart from Newcastle will finish like that. OTHER 5 TEAMS MANAGED BELOW WBA managed 12 points Forest managed 7 points Davies finished like this bloody year Cardiff 12 points from last 6 pathetic Leics 15 points from last 6 not bad Blackpool 13 points from last 6 go ollie go Average of 12 points from 18 ,points which puts Cardiff and Swansea near 81 points at the end . Yes i say to get 85 points , like ive bleated since November but if you see the points totals i predicted Cardiff,Swans and Norwich to get weeks ago , you will see none are higher than 82pts . This was how i saw the table finishing a month or so ago ending and whilst the teams might change a bit the points wont be far off Bowles so relax
As posted early March .HOW I SEE IT, Second place Cardiff 82points Third place Norwich 80 points Fourth Swansea 79 points Fifth Leeds 77 points sixth Forest 73 poiints probably overtaken by Burnley 73-76 points
Didnt put QPRs down as i know we will get at least over 85 !Yes we had a bl--dy bad day mate , but still only 5 defeats all season . Neil will have em nearly blubbering all the way back home and by g-d you will see a different team on Tuesday , theyll come out there all guns blazing , Helg will be back maybe Tarbs , by the time weve finished with em Robins will have a red breast . Still top of the League like CP says , stillhave the best manager in the Div , still support a great Club , and best of all still have 30 points now than at this friggin stage last year. Come on man pull yourself together , dont panic ,dont panic , i mean so what this time last year Scunny Bl--dy beat us at Loftus Road ! Still only lost one at home ;D Time to fight back Tuesday Rangers we're banking on a good show, now just do it ! Now have something stronger than a Maners try a JD
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Post by cpr on Apr 9, 2011 20:28:29 GMT
No need mate, unless you can tell me why they would.
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Post by Macmoish on Apr 9, 2011 20:31:01 GMT
Maybe because "we" did something we shouldnt have done that pisses off the FA! And maybe they're not prepared to give a Briatore-Paladini run QPR the benefit of the doubt?
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Post by cpr on Apr 9, 2011 20:38:23 GMT
Nothing there that warrants a points deduction Mac!
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Post by Macmoish on Apr 9, 2011 20:42:52 GMT
I presume you're being deductive and logical (along with optimistic and hopeful), Mr. CPR. But who actually knows what we've done/whether we did it.
And whether the laws prevent them from imposing..
"Who knows what evil lurks in the hearts of men?"
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Post by harlowranger on Apr 9, 2011 20:47:33 GMT
We will have to wait and see , i hope its just a fine but i feel they may want to make a statement with our case and take enough points to make a significant point to the world of football!
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Post by Jon Doeman on Apr 9, 2011 20:48:14 GMT
Mr 1/2 full v Mr 1/2 empty. Who's right? Only one way to find out! WAIT
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Post by Macmoish on Apr 9, 2011 20:52:18 GMT
I guess on the scale of "badness", if we did what we did was it REALLY bad, or was it just more of "technical" mistake/rule breaking..
I just see teams that inadvertantly play a player they shouldnt, get deducted points.
And teams that have really financial bad bookeeping, deducted a lot of points in a couple of occasions
And of course teams in Administration, get 10 point deduction
And the Leeds points deduction couple years back
And then what was done to Luton - But I don't remember why they got such a savage, savage penalty
* We're not Man Ut, so we don't get an automatic + 10 points before the hearing even opens!
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Post by cpr on Apr 9, 2011 20:52:46 GMT
Indeed you are correct Mac, however, simply pissing off the FA does not incur points deductions. Dislike of our owners does not incur a points deduction. Playing an ineligible player does but that's the juridiction of the football league, as recently proven, yet again. Using a non FA registered agent doesn't either, even if he is recognised by FIFA, note, recognised. Incorrect or false paperwork, is that a point deduction? I don't tihnk so. Even if Paladini is found guilty of his particular charge, relating to paper work again. How does that incur a points deduction. A points deduction would mean the FA imposing rules and controlling another league. Is that really likely?
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Post by superckat on Apr 9, 2011 21:43:47 GMT
Indeed you are correct Mac, however, simply pissing off the FA does not incur points deductions. Dislike of our owners does not incur a points deduction. Playing an ineligible player does but that's the juridiction of the football league, as recently proven, yet again. Using a non FA registered agent doesn't either, even if he is recognised by FIFA, note, recognised. Incorrect or false paperwork, is that a point deduction? I don't tihnk so. Even if Paladini is found guilty of his particular charge, relating to paper work again. How does that incur a points deduction. A points deduction would mean the FA imposing rules and controlling another league. Is that really likely?Yeaaahhhh Baby!! CPR That is a very convincing argument.
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Post by londonranger on Apr 9, 2011 22:06:01 GMT
There is something ominous about the FA Calling a club to task on rules and regulations, so late in season
on a team that has lead the league all year. That this signing was such a while ago, that information
was asked for and ignored.
The FA and QPR could very well have issues that are known to them and will never come out.
This regulatory body has frequently made controversial decisions and teams have been selected
to be looked at in an arbitrary way. They have no hesitation in imposing rules that would afffect
any league under their jurisdiction. After all, they are the Football Association. they are the governing
body.
This Faurlein episode is quite old. They strike at their discretion. In this case at the Penultimate end of of the season. Could it be that they might not have filed, if other aspects of QPR had been carried out to their satisfaction. This is not a "read the rules give the penalties, not the points."
There are more things in heaven and earth Horatio.
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Post by Macmoish on Apr 9, 2011 22:06:18 GMT
I'd accept a five Year ban on playing in the FA Cup as punishment...We don't show up anyway
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Post by harlowranger on Apr 9, 2011 22:12:04 GMT
I'd accept a five Year ban on playing in the FA Cup as punishment...We don't show up anyway think on past seasons we could extend that to 10 season ban quite easily enough! if we start in round one we go out in round one ,if we start in round three we go out in round three , maybe we deserve a by to the final .
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Post by londonranger on Apr 9, 2011 22:53:17 GMT
from Indyrs Posted: Sat Apr 09, 2011 8:17 am Joined: Tue Apr 05, 2011 11:54 am Posts: 10 We, and increasing numbers elsewhere, larry david are speaking from the same sheet. Accountability, though, is to the FA and not the Football League over these matters.
I've suggested elsewhere that this is a golden opportunity for the FA to tone up their puny muscles more creatively and effectively than to merely dish out fines and/or points deductions over matters which are NOT the fault of Football 'CLUBS', nor the Supporters of the teams, nor the players because it is entirely the fault of the FA that Football CLUBS barely exist - and mostly do so in name only. They are wholly owned component parts of the 'portfolio' of global organisations(or rich families). Therefore, named individuals within those groups are culpable and the specific individuals should be dealt with accordingly - and any fine should come from his, hers or their pockets and NOT from whatever finance might be in place within the 'Club'. After all, if the driver of a crashed car is convicted, does it mean that the passengers also should be prosecuted?
It is ENTIRELY the FA who are to blame for the death of true football CLUBS when capitulating to the bandits who descended from out of the trees following the Act of Deregulation. All they have left is to arse-lick Sky and The Premiership. West Ham's fine was an example. Banning the brainless Rooney for just TWO matches is another. Currently, they excercise their ego by kicking arse at the defenceless smaller clubs who have become mere novelties in the toy boxes of their owners. Some owners have even been known to allow a grandson to design a new badge and imagery for their toy and stick it on the wall without even asking the people who pay the admission price. They, of course, are the SUPPORTERS. Here at Loftus Road, Paladini has regularly demoted us to 'Fans'. The word Fan, when spoken, does have a sort of 'glow' about it. But, when bearing in mind it is an abbreviation for FANATIC, then i
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Post by 0hwestlondon on Apr 9, 2011 23:24:50 GMT
my thoughts are the same why punish the innocents but it seems that never comes into the fa's minds, and on the car crash lr dont know about the states but over here if your in a car and someone crashes then are found to be over the drink drive limit the passenger/s also get nicked, a passenger in a recent case got 6 years inside for being in the car what was involved in a fatal collision, just thought i would share that with you even though it really has no revalence to the case.
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Post by bowles on Apr 9, 2011 23:35:24 GMT
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Post by Lonegunmen on Apr 10, 2011 7:55:33 GMT
from Indyrs Posted: Sat Apr 09, 2011 8:17 am Joined: Tue Apr 05, 2011 11:54 am Posts: 10 We, and increasing numbers elsewhere, larry david are speaking from the same sheet. Accountability, though, is to the FA and not the Football League over these matters. I've suggested elsewhere that this is a golden opportunity for the FA to tone up their puny muscles more creatively and effectively than to merely dish out fines and/or points deductions over matters which are NOT the fault of Football 'CLUBS', nor the Supporters of the teams, nor the players because it is entirely the fault of the FA that Football CLUBS barely exist - and mostly do so in name only. They are wholly owned component parts of the 'portfolio' of global organisations(or rich families). Therefore, named individuals within those groups are culpable and the specific individuals should be dealt with accordingly - and any fine should come from his, hers or their pockets and NOT from whatever finance might be in place within the 'Club'. After all, if the driver of a crashed car is convicted, does it mean that the passengers also should be prosecuted? It is ENTIRELY the FA who are to blame for the death of true football CLUBS when capitulating to the bandits who descended from out of the trees following the Act of Deregulation. All they have left is to arse-lick Sky and The Premiership. West Ham's fine was an example. Banning the brainless Rooney for just TWO matches is another. Currently, they excercise their ego by kicking arse at the defenceless smaller clubs who have become mere novelties in the toy boxes of their owners. Some owners have even been known to allow a grandson to design a new badge and imagery for their toy and stick it on the wall without even asking the people who pay the admission price. They, of course, are the SUPPORTERS. Here at Loftus Road, Paladini has regularly demoted us to 'Fans'. The word Fan, when spoken, does have a sort of 'glow' about it. But, when bearing in mind it is an abbreviation for FANATIC, then i Well said Vic Gibbons.
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Post by saphilip on Apr 10, 2011 11:46:28 GMT
So that is where Vic hangs out these days - it sure sounded like him when I read the thread.
I still go back to the argument that I had yesterday with regards to the timing. The FA may be stupid and out of touch with reality but even they surely know that with our backers comes some rather heavyweight legal backing - and they would probably use thsoe heavyweights if necessary if the ruling prevents QPR form going up.
So why would they have the hearing at the end of the season - when they knew all about this at the start of the season (and probably earlier) and risk having their play-off plans being disrupted by legal action?
Yes I am worried about the timing - maybe they want to see how much they can deduct from us to deny us promotion and ensure that we finish out the top 6. However they must surely know that the club will appeal and at that very late stage of the season that will disrupt all other plans - and for that reason I do feel that we may get away with a fine and /or minimal points deduction.
Mind you we first still have to complete the task on the pitch and we all know what happened yesterday.
Officially Luton's 10 and then subsequent 30 point penalty were handed out as per follows: Their initial 10 point deduction was because they went into admin and that penalty (which saw them relegated into 4th tier football) was applied as per FL rules (the FA rules for the Premiership is just 9 points - don't ask why this is the case).
At the start of the next season they were given a 20 point penalty for not filling in proper forms and not getting out of admin properly, while I think they were given the other 10 for what the FL deemed as basically going into admin again.
That is the gist of the official reasons for those harsh penalties. Unofficially though, the reason for those penalties was because the FL felt they were getting the p*ss taken out of them and wanted to set an example to all otehr clubs, hence the 30 point punishment that they dished out. You may recall that Bournemouth & Rotherham both picked up 17 point deductions at the same time as well.
None of thoe clubs decided to appeal the sentences which mystified me, especially Luton, because if that had happened to QPR I would have expected the club to take it as far as possible with their appeal.
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Post by londonranger on Apr 10, 2011 16:19:34 GMT
Wonderful thread with great posts.
So we will see if the "Despotic FA" are Benevolent or Cruel.
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