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Post by cpr on Sept 14, 2010 10:08:33 GMT
That's another thing, why pay money to listen to a fan's view, I do that down the pub anyway! ;D
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Post by Lonegunmen on Sept 15, 2010 0:58:16 GMT
Valid point CPR. I'd hate for my money to go to supporting someone I don't have a lot of faith in. Perhaps Brian could instead have a former player such as Keving Gallen as his side kick. Now that would be interesting.
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Post by rootbeer on Sept 15, 2010 9:06:16 GMT
We will be looking at ex players and current players who are not playing that day to be on as well. And again after the game we hope to have Neil Warnock after his general press conf, and one or 2 of the players who took part in the game.Over a period of time we hope also to have a phone facilty for you to call in air your views on the the days game and maybe ask the manager/players questions as well as by email.
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Post by Lonegunmen on Sept 15, 2010 9:10:09 GMT
According to your alleged side kick, foreign fans views account for nothing of value. a point that will be remembered for future use Brian. I believe you would be better served with yourself and either Gallen, Parker or even Paul Furlong as your side kick. Former players respect and come across well on audio.
As a 'foreign' based fan I like the concept, just not a particular persons input and agenda. I pay money for QPR Player and I am not happy.
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Post by toboboly on Sept 15, 2010 10:00:24 GMT
I don't understand. At 2pm you're either travelling to the game or in the pub beforehand. After the game you are again travelling or in the pub.
Also there are enough messageboards to not need yet more "fan-talk". And of course Neil will want to spend the rest of his Saturday fielding calls from fans.
Also QBP is involved which makes it all seem so soiled.
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Post by rootbeer on Sept 15, 2010 10:22:09 GMT
According to your alleged side kick, foreign fans views account for nothing of value. a point that will be remembered for future use Brian. I believe you would be better served with yourself and either Gallen, Parker or even Paul Furlong as your side kick. Former players respect and come across well on audio. As a 'foreign' based fan I like the concept, just not a particular persons input and agenda. I pay money for QPR Player and I am not happy. I thinks all fans opinions are as valued as the next, the fact you are overseas should not make any difference, we want to help though make a difference by making matchday a little more informative and entertaining. I know that not being able to go the the games can be frustrating and hope that in the coming weeks we can just make it a better experience
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Post by Macmoish on Sept 15, 2010 10:30:04 GMT
Ah but that's the point Rootbeer. You may feel that way. But "others" have posted very differently on that matter and on many other matters.
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Post by rootbeer on Sept 15, 2010 10:34:18 GMT
what othrs feel I can not be responsible for, I know what the club are trying to achieve and hope that everyone can help try to make this work And another great win last night, which at the end of the day is what it is all about
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Post by Macmoish on Sept 15, 2010 10:39:27 GMT
Again my point:
Most of the comments have not suggested you shouldn't be doing this broadcast with the club. (May or may not be a success but that's another issue)
Most of the comments have been focused on the other person involvement. I'm sure your show will be at least just as great in his "absence"
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Post by toboboly on Sept 15, 2010 11:09:46 GMT
what othrs feel I can not be responsible for A very poor statement from someone who is broadcasting what they (the others) feel regularly.
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Post by finney on Sept 15, 2010 13:35:00 GMT
toboboly well said.
Brian that quote is F***wallop
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Post by Lonegunmen on Sept 16, 2010 3:54:49 GMT
According to your alleged side kick, foreign fans views account for nothing of value. a point that will be remembered for future use Brian. I believe you would be better served with yourself and either Gallen, Parker or even Paul Furlong as your side kick. Former players respect and come across well on audio. As a 'foreign' based fan I like the concept, just not a particular persons input and agenda. I pay money for QPR Player and I am not happy. I thinks all fans opinions are as valued as the next, the fact you are overseas should not make any difference, we want to help though make a difference by making matchday a little more informative and entertaining. I know that not being able to go the the games can be frustrating and hope that in the coming weeks we can just make it a better experience Tell that to Pete and his few friends, whom have made a consistant campaign of bagging any fans that dont attend any or every game the team plays. In parrticular, fans based outside of the UK. Now that Ramage is out for a season, grab him as your side kick. He comes across very well on the Player interviews.
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Post by dc on Sept 16, 2010 21:41:51 GMT
Sorry to go against the grain here chaps, but reading this, I feel I need to say something.
Only ever posted here once or twice before, so hardly prolific, but a season ticket holder and fan of 40 years if that is at all relevant.
QPR Report, has some fantastic articles which I am sure many posters from all messageboards enjoy. Having a forum of your own obviously compliments that, although threads like this let you down enormously in my view.
Just what is your obsession with Pete ? Because obsession is what it is, borne out quite clearly of jealousy. Yes, jealousy. Why on earth would you feel the need to go on and on about it, or him, if that were not the case?
This is looking like a child's playground, with the big boy saying something and all the little feeble inadequates, jumping in to support him in case they get a slap if they don't.
Only one poster on this thread comes out looking in any way in a good light, so well done Brian. Thanks for being the one to act like an adult, despite the obvious tactics of others to provoke a "different" reaction.
Paul, I do not know you, although did have one brief bit of dialogue with you once on Loft for Words, during which I might add, you were very polite to me, as was I to you. You are clearly a good and loyal fan, run an excellent website yourself and despite this, I suspect you have different views to me on many things Rangers. That is quite healthy as far as I'm concerned, we cannot all hold the same views. At the next home game, I am going to attempt to find you in order to have a little chat, because I cannot believe that someone that comes across so well and is as respected by many other fans as you are, can continue to indulge in these petty arguments as you do. I know you are better than that.
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Post by Macmoish on Sept 16, 2010 22:00:17 GMT
Well thanks DC for your post (and obviously I'd hope you'd post more often). Although while being a fan of 40 years means you have a lot of memories- and a lot to share with us - that in of itself doesn't matter vis-a-vis this board.
Thank you also of course for the nice things you said about my posted articles. I'm going to let others, especially Finney if he comes o
I would disagree in general with your premise: This site - Not every post - but the vast majority. And the vast majority of posters - are not interested in intercine board struggles. And we've been "targeted" by specific individuals who have attempted to stir things up. And I certainly wouldn't say it was just one individual. It's a handful. Most people who are interested enough in such matters know exactly who they are. And even can make educated guess about motivation.
Furthermore: Everything is in context. I presume you are familiar with other boards and are aware of what has been posted and by whom. And that perhaps might explain some posts.
Look obviously one can't PROVE that one is not jealous: But speaking for myself, I have no radio interests (as if that would work from far away!) - I've turned down Phone ins with Pete...(I turned down a supposedly-paid-for free trip to London.) I also told Rootbeer I wasnt interested either there. This is not my interest. Just as I wouldn't seriously go around calling my Blog or this board as the "#1 QPR Site" although I don't think it's too shabby.
And if Pete becomes a superstar on FM or on his podcast, I might not listen. But that's fine. That's why, when others may have referred to his site as "Fantasy Island" I never have. And for the first couple of years of that site's existence, I was one of its leading posters. (Pete did invite me - and announce me - as one of moderators of that site. An offer I declined)
But the issue for me at least, is our club (including mine) having an association with a person who has said things which I don't need to get into right now, and has permitted things to be said on that website. Both regarding QPR and on other issues. And when the club does that, to my mind, the club is then putting an implicit imprimatur on those actions and statements.
I'm happy to discuss further either online or offline. But that's it in a nutshell.
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Post by finney on Sept 16, 2010 22:36:11 GMT
DC take it from me i am in no way jealous of Pete or anyone else for what it is worth i love the fact there is and are so many QPR websites and that is always a good thing in my book.
I have huge issues with both Pete and Funky over the fact they told huge lies and untruths about me and pete was happy to let funky among others post as the rev and bring people's familys into the so called messageboard wars. there is very much in my mind a difference of what we think as fans and people on all things life and QPR but smearing and in my case out right lies and postings about our families. Fecking hell pete even once said in a post that steve russell one of the most honest people i know was ripping off QPR fans.
See that to me is when all bets are off and you look at the soul of someone who would without a moments thought do that based on lies about other fans.
look if i am being honest the worst of that whole jnet thing was the fact that both Pete and Funky two people who have smeared and lied about other fans for years when face to face with Mark Devlin got found out and left a verbel mess on the airwaves. Fact is that is why Brian did not want me on the show as funky told him he would not do it. and that is just down to one thing they themselves know it's lies and its very hard to back that up face to face. DC i will pass on my mobile number and meet you for a chat in the next few weeks.
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Post by Lonegunmen on Sept 17, 2010 4:51:13 GMT
Good to see you posting DC. You make some fair points. School yard behaviour? Perhaps! The whole scenario could have been negated had Brian run with the former player as an assistant. It would give listeners that "inside" perspective, especially with fans ringing in and asking the questions. Or perhaps if Billy Rice, for example, was able to be used with his wealth of experience in this field. It would give the show a polished edge from the word go and not come across as amaturish - despite the best intentions.
Brian's concept is indeed a good one with potential. Some fans from around the world are subscribers, myself included. It's great that the internet has allowed us to remain close to the club we love and have supported for various lengths of time.
Time will tell.
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Post by cpr on Sept 17, 2010 10:27:56 GMT
Sorry to go against the grain here chaps, but reading this, I feel I need to say something. Only ever posted here once or twice before, so hardly prolific, but a season ticket holder and fan of 40 years if that is at all relevant. QPR Report, has some fantastic articles which I am sure many posters from all messageboards enjoy. Having a forum of your own obviously compliments that, although threads like this let you down enormously in my view. Just what is your obsession with Pete ? Because obsession is what it is, borne out quite clearly of jealousy. Yes, jealousy. Why on earth would you feel the need to go on and on about it, or him, if that were not the case? This is looking like a child's playground, with the big boy saying something and all the little feeble inadequates, jumping in to support him in case they get a slap if they don't. Only one poster on this thread comes out looking in any way in a good light, so well done Brian. Thanks for being the one to act like an adult, despite the obvious tactics of others to provoke a "different" reaction. Paul, I do not know you, although did have one brief bit of dialogue with you once on Loft for Words, during which I might add, you were very polite to me, as was I to you. You are clearly a good and loyal fan, run an excellent website yourself and despite this, I suspect you have different views to me on many things Rangers. That is quite healthy as far as I'm concerned, we cannot all hold the same views. At the next home game, I am going to attempt to find you in order to have a little chat, because I cannot believe that someone that comes across so well and is as respected by many other fans as you are, can continue to indulge in these petty arguments as you do. I know you are better than that. "This is looking like a child's playground, with the big boy saying something and all the little feeble inadequates, jumping in to support him in case they get a slap if they don't." Can you give any examples? there are varying opinions on this thread alone. There is no big boy on here. I don't agree with everything report posts but I bet don't everything I do either. I haven't jumped in to suport anyone, simply posted my views. Most of which seem irrelevant anyway! Don't get me wrong, I can see why it would be possible to get that impression from this thread but there is much more water gone under the bridge than a lot of us know so occassionally people like to splash about in it. Probably happens on most boards every now and then I would guess. Anyway, you make some good and valid points dc, keep it up. ;D
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Post by dc on Sept 17, 2010 13:27:26 GMT
To all four of you that have replied, thank you for having the decency to do so in a pleasant manner.
In turn, perhaps I should apologise for coming across so angry in the first place, but if there is one thing that frustrates me, it is when some people, many who have not met each other, have online disagreements that involve such animosity. Particularly when if the truth be known, we all have more in common and things we agree on than those issues that we disagree on.
I have no doubt come across as someone who is here to defend Pete, although that is not the case. I think that sometimes he does things, perhaps quite innocently although sometimes in retaliation, that really could have been avoided. Hopefully, all parties could look to the future and consider how much more productive we could all be, if we were to draw lines under what may have gone on beforehand and look to forge more positive relationships with each other from here onwards. This will of course require some sacrifices from all sides, but although I may be pissing in the wind, I look forward to the day when we can all just get along, as fellow Rangers fans.
I'd best go now as I'm beginning to sound like a preacher.
Cheers guys.
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Post by toboboly on Sept 17, 2010 13:46:09 GMT
I blame CPR!
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Post by cpr on Sept 17, 2010 13:55:27 GMT
Since a young man in one of my earliest working positions I have been known as Captain Blame, so you are correct. ;D
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Post by exonfmbren on Sept 17, 2010 16:00:40 GMT
From what i have read above the two co-presenters are rootbeer aka Brian Melzack and Rob Brennan (same person as OnFM Bren?), are these two the ones who will be presenting? Nah not me, although Im good friends with Rob and have been for years, he does the blind commentary and was featured in the last programme too, know he does post the odd time on watrb, but im onfmbren. I may also be on the odd show though as worked with Rob at OnFM. Have to say that I personally don’t think it matters who the panel is, as long as the show is delivering good content for the listeners. Whether Pete is on it or not will not affect the aims of the show, im sure if anyone here wanted to help out in some way Brian would be more than happy to listen. An individual not wanting a certain person on the show due to history is understandable, but isnt necessarily a massive influence on others, and I kind of think this was what Brian was getting at. Just because you’ve had an argument/differences/history with someone doesn’t mean everyone is of the same opinion. You can never keep everyone happy. The show is official so not a plug for certain forums/sites, the aims are to give a better matchday experience for the fans who cant make it to the games. They want to give them more than just commentary, but make listening as close to being at the game as possible, hence pre and post match shows, its only just starting but the aims will always be the same, to make the show a MUST for anyone who cant actually attend. I am not here to defend Pete, quite frankly Im not really interested in fighting on forums so i know very little about peoples lets say “differences” from foum to forum but after tuning in to the last jnet show (where no one came across well!), i realised to what extend things on a FORUM (THE INTERNET!!!!) get taken. And its nuts!!!!oh and just a bit embarrasing. You’re all QPR fans at the end of the day, so you all want the same thing. The only reason im really posting here is because i was told i was mentioned so hey....im here HI ALL!!!! ;D I want to end on the main point which is the show. And all credit to Brain for setting it up, it may have been a long time coming but its here, so let’s not knock it and get behind it. Its new so their are bound to be a few teething problems. Again just because someone is on who you don’t like, doesn’t mean it should be criticised......I F****ing hate Jamie Redknapp (and most of the sky team), but i still tune in. BEST OF LUCK GUYS HOPEFULLY I CAN MAKE A FEW SHOWS
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Post by finney on Sept 17, 2010 16:23:17 GMT
Am i being stupid which is something i never rule out in life but Pete himself said on a radio that overseas based fans who dont get to games should not talk about QPR. Now for him to be on a show for overseas fans seems well odd,.
Also i have not seen anyone with an issue over the fact that blind fans deserve a show so they can hear the game that is a must i think for all clubs and something the football league and FA should have done years ago.
DC, Even people close to Pete can not say the fella talks himself into a corner half the time even when he said he is more QPR than me as i was born in Ireland and he was at games before i sat foot in this country when you come out with things like that you will piss people off.
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Post by superckat on Sept 18, 2010 2:57:41 GMT
dc. On your original post. I believe you were way off the mark with a lot of your comments. Admittedly feelings have been running high towards Pete and it's not just from this board eitiher. There is a history where Pete and his mates have criticised, threatened, verbally abused and labelled some as not true fans and told others their thoughts on QPR are not welcomed. Pete himself has refused to back up his accusations or answer questions he has been asked. This board has been targetted by Pete and his mates when they have come on here and joined under numerous names, with the sole intentions of stirring things up. Also when stirring things up they have attacked finney, quite personally. When barred they have gone onto another site and continued abusing him. They have also targetted Mark Devlin. One particular comment made re Mark Devlin and Bill Power as far as I'm concerned should get the poster banned for life.
I could go on for days. But will leave it there. There are several other QPR messageboards and perhaps you should be asking why all the others get along fine with the exception of WATRBS. Jealousy definitely isn't the reason.
You may not have been fully aware of the politics that have gone on, which may have been why you made you original post. I notice you made a follow up post also which is appreciated.
I am not posting this to have a go. Just trying to give some balance on what has happened and why the reaction to the show is what it is. So if fans are concerned about Pete being on the show, it could be because the people who the show is aimed at are the same people who Pete does not respect, criticises, accuses of not being real fans and believes shouldn't have an opinion.
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Post by dc on Sept 18, 2010 16:48:50 GMT
superckat,
Thanks for yet another reply, during which you make many fair points.
People going on any mesageboard, being abusive or making threats, is neither called for or welcome. I do feel though, that one cannot necessarily blame one person for the actions of his friends or people that know him.
Similarly, posters on this and other boards should not all be tarred with the same brush as those that have made scurrilous claims about him either.
A good example of what I refer to is the clickable adverts on WATRB. These were originally planned as a way of raising money for various QPR related charitable causes: Tiger Cubs and Kiyan Prince Foundation for example.
I don't know whether you are aware, but this was rather harshly (to put it as politely as possible), described as, for example : ripping off fans, lining his own pockets, being illegal - yes, illegal - and that by one of his so called friends who perhaps may not be everybody's favourite fellow fan.
Some people have their own agendas, possibly fuelled by an unreasonable dislike for someone due to believing what they want to hear. I have no agenda, hence neither criticising your opinions or looking to start arguments or spread untruths.
My goal, if that is what it can be classed as, is to play some part in fans from across all messageboards, irrespective of previous goings on, coming together in unity for the benefit of us all. Particularly now, as we are performing minor miracles on the pitch.
I am very pleasantly surprised by the way, in the manner in which all the responses to my original post have been made, so well done. I may well come on here a little more because of it.
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Post by Zamoraaaah on Sept 18, 2010 16:55:07 GMT
Another win, sitting pretty at the top of the league and you choose to post Re this thread. DC, leave the politics alone and enjoy the ride. Said we are top of the league...U RRRRRRR's
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Post by Markqpr on Sept 19, 2010 8:44:03 GMT
Hello DC and welcome to the board. Good posts but there is a couple of points I'd like to query you on. People going on any mesageboard, being abusive or making threats, is neither called for or welcome. I do feel though, that one cannot necessarily blame one person for the actions of his friends or people that know him. Yes. Obviously. However in the case of QBP our grievances with him are based on actual posts of his on this message board and elsewhere which were simply derogatory lies about this site and it's moderators borne out of no reasonable action that you could think of. I entirely reject your last sentence in the above quote as it implies that we have a problem with QBP for the posts of others and that is entirely an untrue and unfair sweeping implication that is entirely wrong. Hopefully you will post and read here more often to see that that is so. Similarly, posters on this and other boards should not all be tarred with the same brush as those that have made scurrilous claims about him either. A good example of what I refer to is the clickable adverts on WATRB. These were originally planned as a way of raising money for various QPR related charitable causes: Tiger Cubs and Kiyan Prince Foundation for example. I don't know whether you are aware, but this was rather harshly (to put it as politely as possible), described as, for example : ripping off fans, lining his own pockets, being illegal - yes, illegal - and that by one of his so called friends who perhaps may not be everybody's favourite fellow fan. The intentions of raising money for charity was never called into question on this board, despite the false protestations of some in almost a martyr-like fashion verging on cringeworthy ridiculousness, but the original method of collection where there was only one advert to click and all initial revenue generated went to WATRBS first and if a profit was made after the board's running costs were met it would be given to the charities. This was called into question as it did not give people the option to donate to either WATRBS or the charities separately and by putting WATRBS together with the charities in the same donation it aligned WATRBS with the charities, which as a separate entity looking to raise operating costs for themselves firstly before any donation was to be made was wrong. After this was pointed out they have since changed their method of collection to one that is fair and correct, after the point was raised and since then no-one has raised the issue again as there isn't one. When you use examples of other posts from other message boards it unduly reflects on us. The last person you mention is actually banned from this board for such behaviour so his posts elsewhere are entirely irrelevant to us and as you pointed out in your post, it's unfair to tar us with the same brush . If people went too far in their criticisms and a few did borne out of an anger that QBP has generated towards himself then you'll find on this board free speech is allowed and usually un-moderated as that is our ethos and if not we'd rather not have the board. We don't all agree with what everyone posts but hopefully mature heads rule around here and people can have their say exactly how they want it. Thanks for the debate and once again, welcome to the board.
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Post by cpr on Sept 19, 2010 9:55:42 GMT
Very well put Marky Mark, as usual. Can I extend the welcome to Bren, who slipped in almost unnoticed!
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Post by Lonegunmen on Sept 19, 2010 12:47:23 GMT
Couldn't have said it better Mark and valid points made by yourself. Suggestion, one looks in a mirror first before throwing remarks. Why do I get the impression DC is only going on what he may have been told and only one side of the story it appears.
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Post by dc on Sept 19, 2010 14:30:17 GMT
Mark, Thanks for the reply. As already mentioned, I am neither looking for an argument or here specifically to defend Pete.
I was not referring to this board in particular with regard to the adverts, but that some like to make up stories and tell lies to further their own ends.
With regard to Pete's actions in the past, obviously I am not aware of all of the things he may have done in terms of contributing to this ill feeling from various parties. And in fairness, even his staunchest critic may be unaware of some ammunition.
However, I am aware of various irritating campaigns in the past from posters of all boards, not just this, but certainly including it, where incorrect and misleading things have been written about him. Just as I am perfectly well aware that he sometimes over steps the mark when defending himself. This is just as bad of course, whether done in retaliation or not.
What I was hoping to achieve with the previous posts, was a scenario where perhaps we can all move on from what may or may not have gone on in the past and start afresh.
Lonegunman,
Quite why you get that impression, I have no idea. I suppose you will consider it confrontational on my part, to state that :
1) No one has particularly told me anything, and
2) I only know one side of the story.
I would not consider it any moreso, than you stating that it is even a possibility.
I presume what you would be happier for me to say is that I too, like yourself, have considered both sides of the story to such an extent that I have absolutely no doubts that the conclusion that I have arrived at is the same as yours.
Well, I'm sorry, but I feel that there is blame on all sides. As is usually the case in disputes of any kind.
Hope that this reply is taken in the spirit it was given.
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Post by Lonegunmen on Sept 19, 2010 14:55:20 GMT
I suggested that as you came on here pointing out issues with some of the users on here. My way of thinking is if you were aware of both sides of the story, you may be more inclined to have adopted a more neutral point of view. Possibly there is blame on all the various sides. I say that to include the other websites whom have also had issues with some of the core WATRB's personnel. I think what may have kept it going is the references on more than one or two occassions where it has been said that what is in the past should stay there and that it is time to move forward in the best interests of the club and its fan - a good statement I might add, however the person saying such thing then continues to throw cheap lines and insinuartions shortly there after.
Granted football is a game about passion, and other emotions and yes, we all say things in the heat of the moment. But to my knowledge there has been no threats of legal action made by this site to any other site to date. This site and users on several other sites have of course been on the end of threats of legal action by only three or four users whom appear to be friends.
You may agree it is a very sad day when QPR fans start threatening legal action or calling in solicitors when it's a case of he said, she said? Strick and stones and all that??
I dont expect anyone or everyone to agree with various opinions on various MB's - it's human nature. but for an example - myself, I don't go onto WARTB's site and stir the members or moderators up on there. I leave their site alone, it's theirs and good luck to them. But I do get pissed off when the come/came on here with the intention of deliberately winding users of this site and/or the moderators up. I get fed up with the constant cheapshots at QPR Report by persons whom seem to have nothing better to do with their time - such as discussing QPR issues.
It seems they can throw what they like but they do not like the idea of being given a serving back. I hope you understand this. I still will not join their site (Not that they would allow me to join it) and they can happily live amongst themselves.
Should you choose to continue to look around this site, you will find some very interesting discussions about QPR. We have some excell3ent users and their input been a real benefit.
Laslty, (Nearly rant over) I did not take offence to what you have said and appreciate the spirit in which it was said. Onwards and Upwards?
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