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Post by QPR Report on May 20, 2010 12:08:38 GMT
When he was selling us his fantasies, Flavio and his clique were talking about QPR becoming one of the top clubs in Europe and we heard the infantile and inane "We're the Richest Club in the World."
Well we've woken up from that dream (or nightmare). And yes we're owned by rich people; and there MAY be some trickling of "investment" (loans/debt), but we're not going to see Chelsea/Man City type owner investment on the club.
All this by the by...
What would you LIKE to see for QPR?
Attractive and exciting football played by QPR in the Championship and hopefully in the Premiership. OR a higher league placing with worse football (and perhaps with QPR having sold even more of its soul)
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Post by numpty66 on May 20, 2010 13:45:10 GMT
I think all clubs want to play in the Premiership, but, in my own selfish little world, i really would rather not. Now i know thats going to sound strange but do i want to watch a game at lunchtime Saturday or 5 o'clock Saturday. How about a nice 4 o'clock kick off on a Sunday somewhere up north. While we're at it, how about a Thursday night game........all because Sky or ESPN want to show our game live. Nope, give me 3 o'clock on a Saturday afternoon anytime. In all honesty what chance have we got of winning the league without splashing out huge amounts of money. None whatsoever. So, what can we look forward to.....try to survive in there. Then what...lets try for midtable, but hold on, we now have to splash out to get better players just to get there. Europe.....well thats going to cost...... I work with a Reading season ticket holder who openly admits he hated every minute of the Premiership experience. Now, maybe if all the top 6 clubs formed their own little league with some other European clubs, it may give the Premiership a bit of an even feel to it. Just give me some decent football in the Championship and im happy.
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Post by peejaybee on May 20, 2010 17:53:37 GMT
I think all clubs want to play in the Premiership, but, in my own selfish little world, i really would rather not. Now i know thats going to sound strange but do i want to watch a game at lunchtime Saturday or 5 o'clock Saturday. How about a nice 4 o'clock kick off on a Sunday somewhere up north. While we're at it, how about a Thursday night game........all because Sky or ESPN want to show our game live. Nope, give me 3 o'clock on a Saturday afternoon anytime. In all honesty what chance have we got of winning the league without splashing out huge amounts of money. None whatsoever. So, what can we look forward to.....try to survive in there. Then what...lets try for midtable, but hold on, we now have to splash out to get better players just to get there. Europe.....well thats going to cost...... I work with a Reading season ticket holder who openly admits he hated every minute of the Premiership experience. Now, maybe if all the top 6 clubs formed their own little league with some other European clubs, it may give the Premiership a bit of an even feel to it. Just give me some decent football in the Championship and im happy. Totally Agree with that.
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Post by toboboly on May 20, 2010 17:55:37 GMT
I just like it cheap.....
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Post by Lonegunmen on May 20, 2010 22:12:19 GMT
i'd like to see us there so I can watch us "live" every week. If they showed Championship footy here, I could live with that so long as QPR played exciting or attractive football. Hoofball should be made illegal.
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Post by ingham on May 21, 2010 16:44:54 GMT
Yes, I can't stand it.
Tiresome, repetitive, overpriced, uncompetitive, loss-making, debt-ridden corporations instead of Clubs, I'd be quite happy if the bloated 'brands' were set adrift in a dinghy with a hole in it, and the Football League had the courage of its convictions and stood on its own two feet as what it has always been, to me anyway, the 'premier' competition in the football world.
Even more so since the spineless 'Football Association' have disembowellled their own formerly glorious FA Cup to lick the boots of all the losers Ferguson regularly wipes the floor with.
So stuff so-called 'promotion'. We achieved that a few years ago, and the 'Premiership' certainly doesn't amount to it.
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Post by Lonegunmen on May 22, 2010 0:38:29 GMT
It says a lot about how football is going. Teams used to want to go to division one to be top of the whole league and play other top teams. Now it's all about getting there and the land of money and money.
Kill the EPL and give us back 4 divisions!
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Post by Markqpr on May 22, 2010 6:40:38 GMT
I think all clubs want to play in the Premiership, but, in my own selfish little world, i really would rather not. Now i know thats going to sound strange but do i want to watch a game at lunchtime Saturday or 5 o'clock Saturday. How about a nice 4 o'clock kick off on a Sunday somewhere up north. While we're at it, how about a Thursday night game........all because Sky or ESPN want to show our game live. Nope, give me 3 o'clock on a Saturday afternoon anytime. In all honesty what chance have we got of winning the league without splashing out huge amounts of money. None whatsoever. So, what can we look forward to.....try to survive in there. Then what...lets try for midtable, but hold on, we now have to splash out to get better players just to get there. Europe.....well thats going to cost...... I work with a Reading season ticket holder who openly admits he hated every minute of the Premiership experience. Now, maybe if all the top 6 clubs formed their own little league with some other European clubs, it may give the Premiership a bit of an even feel to it. Just give me some decent football in the Championship and im happy. Agree with that. Yes, I can't stand it. Tiresome, repetitive, overpriced, uncompetitive, loss-making, debt-ridden corporations instead of Clubs, I'd be quite happy if the bloated 'brands' were set adrift in a dinghy with a hole in it, and the Football League had the courage of its convictions and stood on its own two feet as what it has always been, to me anyway, the 'premier' competition in the football world. Even more so since the spineless 'Football Association' have disembowellled their own formerly glorious FA Cup to lick the boots of all the losers Ferguson regularly wipes the floor with. So stuff so-called 'promotion'. We achieved that a few years ago, and the 'Premiership' certainly doesn't amount to it. Agree with that as well. For me personally, QPR FC is more than just a football team, the nature of the game focuses our attentions on winning and losing but that is almost incidental to why I love my club. QPR is almost an extension of my-self that I have chosen. I represent my-self as a QPR supporter more than anything else in my life as it is a source of massive pride and belief. We've never been the biggest club or even a modestly successful club so for me that aspect of supporting a football team is obviously not the attraction. Playing good football and revelling in the closeness of the club with it's fans as one big group going forwards together is far more important for me. Developing young players into the first team and watching them excel whilst we punch above our weight playing good honest football week in, week out in whatever league is my idea of football nirvana. The premiership? Nice if you can afford it, devastating to your club if you can't. And certainly not worth it when you end up in massive debt because of it.
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Post by Lonegunmen on May 22, 2010 10:04:20 GMT
Well put Mark !
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Post by ingham on May 23, 2010 16:45:55 GMT
Seconded. Love this:
"the nature of the game focuses our attentions on winning and losing but that is almost incidental to why I love my club".
Quite. The proud parent is delighted if his daughter has a success in life.
But that isn't why he loves her.
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Post by harlowranger on Mar 29, 2011 20:22:32 GMT
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Post by maudesfishnchips on Mar 29, 2011 20:27:06 GMT
i always knew mr bump was a QPR fan
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Post by harlowranger on Mar 29, 2011 20:32:31 GMT
He loves the Blue and white hoops !
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Post by neil on Mar 30, 2011 0:25:43 GMT
No point in you lot being at the Leeds game celebrating playing Liverpool & man utd,Tottenham & Arsenal.
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Post by cpr on Mar 30, 2011 7:41:05 GMT
No point in you lot being at the Leeds game celebrating playing Liverpool & man utd,Tottenham & Arsenal. What a strange comment! It may have escaped your notice that those you mention are just football teams. It may also have excaped your notice that we've played them before. I hope to be at the Leeds game to celebrate winning the Championship, nothing more than that.
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Post by Markqpr on Mar 30, 2011 7:43:14 GMT
No point in you lot being at the Leeds game celebrating playing Liverpool & man utd,Tottenham & Arsenal. Your right and we won't be. We'll be there celebrating QPR FC. We're not glamour fans, we're just fans who'll be there no matter who we play and no matter what league we play in. I guess that doesn't apply to you, as you seem to look at our opposition as a main reason to go to QPR. There is a point to us being there, you just missed it, as it went flying over your head.
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Post by bradfieldhoop on Mar 30, 2011 8:16:09 GMT
Any of you lot fancy going to tell NW and his squad that "heh,you've shown you can do it put but if its all the same could you lose the last eight games as I don't fancy the prem"---quite extraordinary!! Everyone has their own desires/goals in life and I for one believe in trying to achieve the best available where it doesn't hurt others in doing so. So the Prem is the place for footballers/clubs with aspirations and if you don't fancy you can hop off now and join us again if/when we return. We've always tried to play good football at QPR although haven't always achieved it but I for one look forward to see if we can rise to the challenge--to me it's what life is about!
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Post by londonscottish on Mar 30, 2011 8:19:49 GMT
I agree with a lot of the comments above. I go to see QPR play because (a) they are my local club and (b) I get a mid week night out with my mates and (c) I can take the kids on a Saturday.
It's great to see the team succeeding but if QPR go up the demand for tickets for most games will rocket and the prices will go up. So I won't be able to rock up on a Tuesday and know I can get a ticket if I need it and I won't be able to afford to take my boy to as many Saturday matches. Same for all my mates. So less fun all round.
And the financial pressures of the PL will potentially create all manner of instability and we know where that leads....
So I think promotion would be a mixed blessing. As the other posters point out if Rangers were going from the old second to the old first it would be far less risky but that's ancient history.
I'll keep going of course; Prem, Championship, whatever. Just less in the Prem because of cost and ticket availability. And I'll be watching QPR's finances and ownership very closely as everyone else will...
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Post by Macmoish on Mar 30, 2011 8:38:04 GMT
For a fan of this club (or any "Real" club) Some years are good. Some years are bad... Sooner or later, we'll probably get relegated again - and then we'll have promotion to look forward to again And the fans who are really QPR fans will continue to support the club. Whether we're in the Premiership or in League Two (or even G-d forbid, non-league) Also what made QPR's time in the Premiership so "special" - was that for most of those seasons especially for those magic years from 1973/74 and on and sometimes in the mid 1980-1990 period, was that we weren't just there to make up the numbers; cling to survival. We were highly praised for our attractive football, etc. Something to make a QPR fan proud
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Post by Markqpr on Mar 30, 2011 8:50:51 GMT
Any of you lot fancy going to tell NW and his squad that "heh,you've shown you can do it put but if its all the same could you lose the last eight games as I don't fancy the prem"---quite extraordinary!! Where have any of us lot stated we don't fancy the prem? I would tell NW and the squad that I'll support them no matter the results, no matter the opposition and no matter what league they are in. However they and the rest of the club know that already. It's the fans, in my view, that get more excited over bigger opposition than they do lower league teams, that are the ones who went missing in the first half of the season, whilst we sat there supporting our team and now are clamouring for a Leeds ticket as they want a piece of the action, now that we and our opposition are good enough for their support. If you think playing Man Utd. is more special then playing anyone in our present league, who do you go to Loftus Road to see?
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Post by bradfieldhoop on Mar 30, 2011 9:19:00 GMT
please read the comment of numpty 66--his first line. then peejaybee in agreement I've put my support and money behind the club since 1979 but the product of success is that you progress (for a change) and if you are telling me you get just the same buzz going to watch the hoops play the likes of Cambridge and Oldham away (as we all have) as Man Utd,Chelsea and Liverpool then thats your perogative--I for one am very excited to play the big boys no matter of the result (well,with the exception of Chelsea) and so to are my kids--just once they would love a result over Arsenal,Chelsea,West ham,Spurs etc
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Post by Markqpr on Mar 30, 2011 9:32:16 GMT
please read the comment of numpty 66--his first line. My apologies, he wrote that a year ago, so I only skimmed his post this time round. However he is called Numpty and his best mate is a Nutta! ;D I believe that games like the play off semi final against Oldham were greater moments than beating Arsenal away 1-3, due to atmosphere and what it meant. The latter was a top division game against a 'top' side and the former was a 3rd tier match against far more humble opposition. But again, sorry for picking up on your post in a confrontational way when you had a valid argument, bad netiquette on my part.
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Post by bradfieldhoop on Mar 30, 2011 10:04:41 GMT
The Oldham win was a very special night--the cardiff trip a very tough day and it has all contributed to where we are now--unlikely, but what if we were to find success in the prem again--how amazing would that be! All those unrewarding trecks around the country would only enhance our joy as its something the big clubs have forgotten or never needed to do--lets not get caught up in fans returning because times appear brighter--lets not moan that we are sold out and having trouble getting a ticket--if we are lovers of QPR we are surely happy to see them blossom again as we've had enough sh*** days to last a lifetime--and if it brings in a new raft of young supporters for the future then thats a good thing. You dont need to apologise--im not someone that takes comments to heart--we all have opinions thank the lord!!
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Post by londonscottish on Mar 30, 2011 10:12:40 GMT
......of course staying still isn't actually a long term strategy if you think about it, with the current finance, anyway. The club is losing £10m pa or something (am I right?). And has the loan hanging around still. The only way to get more money is to sell out more games/charge more/get better sponsorship. None of which would seem to be achievable in the Championship.
I suspect the owners would walk away at some point if the prospect was many more years of championship. At the least the Prem thing would inject £80m-odd in TV fees and balloon payments in the event of relegation plus sell more games out (at higher prices) and getter better sponsorship deals.
So, as long as the club doesn't go crazy with the wage bill, promotion has got to be good in a business sense and hopefully creates another two years of stability in ownership terms. And hopefully stability with the manager and most of the squad.
Of course Bernie will probably sell, India will run out of steel, Warnock will get fired, someone will go to jail, Taraabt will leave, Derry will retire, someone will get caught taking cold remedies, Routledge will go back, Ephrahaim, Mackie, Gorkss and Smith will all get seriously injured, there will be boardoom coup at gun point and it'll all end in the Blue Square.
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Post by cpr on Mar 30, 2011 10:31:15 GMT
Of course Bernie will probably sell, India will run out of steel, Warnock will get fired, someone will go to jail, Taraabt will leave, Derry will retire, someone will get caught taking cold remedies, Routledge will go back, Ephrahaim, Mackie, Gorkss and Smith will all get seriously injured, there will be boardoom coup at gun point and it'll all end in the Blue Square. Those are the words of a true Rangers fan! ;D
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Post by blueeyedcptcook on Mar 30, 2011 10:35:41 GMT
Well I started lifes journey as a Hoops supporter in the mid 70s when I watched Brian Moores Big Match ?. I was taken by their good open football and being a small club in London. Over the years I have met and spoken to many expat and visiting Brits and they have been amazed that being an Aussie and having never been to the UK that I would support a small "nothing" club like QPR. In fact some and it allways seemed to be Man U fans would look at me in bewilderment and say " But Why QPR" My answer was simply its easy to get on the bandwagon and support a big club, it takes ticker and devotion to support a club like QPR. I will enjoy watching them play the big boys and as Lone said it gives us living downunder the chance of playing each week. I just hope that the club supports our Manager, to that we have the calibre of player who play attractive football and can keep us about midfield or thereabouts.
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Post by klr on Mar 30, 2011 10:36:22 GMT
The Charlton model is what we should aspire to.
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Post by cpr on Mar 30, 2011 10:41:16 GMT
Not the one they have now though!
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Post by cpr on Mar 30, 2011 10:50:52 GMT
In all seriousness, I agree with you, perfect for us, although like them we will have fans wanting more, expecting more and eventually destroying the very foundations that made it a success.
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Post by londonranger on Mar 30, 2011 13:03:23 GMT
I will have no further comments on this matter.
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