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Post by Lonegunmen on Jun 14, 2012 22:54:40 GMT
And to think, they thought themselves worthy of the Premier League in England some years back.
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Post by manta on Jun 14, 2012 23:05:03 GMT
They should adapt to the times and change their name to Glasgow R@ngers.
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Post by Macmoish on Jun 16, 2012 21:09:27 GMT
Football 365
Gers to wait over SPL acceptance Charles Green will have to wait until next month before discovering whether The Rangers Football Club will be granted entry to the SPL. Rangers: Made to wait Green's consortium completed the purchase of the business and assets of Rangers as a newco on Thursday after failure to secure a Company Voluntary Arrangement (CVA) consigned the club to liquidation. The former Sheffield United chief executive now needs the support of other SPL sides before his club will be admitted to the top flight. Regulations require two weeks notice to be given before holding a general meeting, where SPL clubs will vote on the issue. The Rangers crisis is likely to be discussed at Monday's SPL board meeting, however July 2 is the earliest date that a general meeting can be convened for the newco vote. Dundee United and Aberdeen have followed Motherwell and Inverness in pledging to consult fans over Green's application to join the SPL with the Dons citing sporting integrity as the main criteria for their decision. Meanwhile, Ally McCoist will remain as Rangers manager following a constructive meeting with new chief executive Green, Press Association Sport understands. The talks took place yesterday after reports claimed the Light Blues boss was on the verge of resigning after discovering Green planned to replace him. It is believed McCoist has now returned to a family holiday that he cut short earlier in the week when administrators Duff and Phelps were informed of HMRC's plans to reject the CVA proposal. McCoist declined to comment on rumours about his future as he left Ibrox on Thursday, as meetings of creditors and shareholders took place at the stadium, but now appears willing to work as part of the new regime following the productive talks. Earlier, Rangers chairman Malcolm Murray had expressed confidence that McCoist would remain in his position as manager next season. The Ayrshire-born pension fund manager, who was swiftly appointed to the board upon Green's acquisition, told BBC Scotland: "We want Ally to commit, then move forward. "It's our stated policy that he's an integral part of the club and he's been told that. "I believe he will be the manager of Rangers next season and we have to make the effort to make that happen. It's what every fan wants. "We need to get Ally on board as soon as possible to talk to the players, who are away on holiday just now." www.football365.com/spl/7817302/Gers-to-wait-over-SPL-acceptance? SCOTSMAN
Rangers liquidation: Hearts fans say no to ‘newco’Published on Saturday 16 June 2012 01:13 Hearts supporters want their club to vote against a Rangers newco being allowed to start in the SPL. The Tynecastle faithful have been casting their votes on the issue in an online poll on popular fans’ forum hmfckickback.co.uk. And as of yesterday, an overwhelming 98 per cent of the 800-plus fans who voted said their club should reject a newco bid for entry to the SPL. A similar number of fans expressed the view that the newco Rangers should have to start again in Scottish football’s bottom rung. Hearts are yet to officially make their stance clear regarding the Rangers’ situation. Club director Sergejus Fedotovas, however, said last month that the Scottish football authorities should focus more on learning lessons from the Ibrox crisis than punishing the club. Speaking at the time, he said: “Rangers’ situation has shown certain problems and many clubs see punishing Rangers as the most important objective. Scottish football should not be narrow-minded and should not put all focus on the punishment, but address the roots of the problem.” Hibs have already dropped a strong hint that they will vote against a newco being allowed into the SPL. Their fans have also backed that stance in hefty numbers on website polls, while Aberdeen and St Johnstone have suggested they will go the same way. www.scotsman.com/sport/football/spl/rangers-liquidation-hearts-fans-say-no-to-newco-1-2358638
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Post by Lonegunmen on Jun 16, 2012 21:53:53 GMT
I agree. If a "new" Rangers is born, it should start at the bottom and earn it's way up. MC Dons should have had to do the same as AFC Wimbledon has done.
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Post by manta on Jun 17, 2012 1:21:10 GMT
It would be wrong in principle Rangers being allowed to resume their top flight status.
As Lonegunmen mentioned Rangers would have to start right at the bottom of the league in division 3 - and there's not even a guarantee of that happening. I was speaking to a Rangers fan mate of mine and he said it could be that for next season Rangers sit out of league football altogether and just play exhibition matches.
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Post by cpr on Jun 17, 2012 6:30:24 GMT
There is a certain irony that they are being ruined by people called Green and Whyte.
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Post by eusebio13 on Jun 17, 2012 6:34:04 GMT
There is a certain irony that they are being ruined by people called Green and Whyte.
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Post by saphilip on Jun 17, 2012 7:55:21 GMT
Well not so long ago we saw Livingston get demoted all the way to Div 4 when they went into admin and faced financial problems, we saw Gretna getting liquidated and expelled from teh Scottish leagueand we saw Dundee geta 30 point penalty - only for it to be overturned.
In recent years we have even seen a near bankrupt Airdrie reform as .. well Airdrie Utd .. by simply buying out Clydebank and retaining their Div 1 status. Oh and talking of Livingston - anybody ever heard of Meadowbank Utd? And what about Inverness Caledonian Thistle -a merger of 2 clubs in the early 90's to gain Scottish league status.
In short the only consistent thing about Scotland and clubs going into bankruptcy and admin - not to mention merging - is the inconsistency that each incident is handled. In light of the Livingston ruling (fiasco?) - and their fans had a point when they mentioned that there was one rule for them and another rule for the big clubs - then Rangers should be demoted to Div 4 but that is unlikely to happen.
You see Scotland have this problem that they have never even got close to resolving- even if there was some hope during the mid 80's that the status quo might change - and that is the dominance of Celtic and Rangers in all things Scottish football.
While fans of towns and cities throughout the country are more interested in those 2 teams rather than their local clubs then you have a serious problem. When the attendance of one home game of either those 2 teams can be greater than the combined attendence figures of all the other games played that same weekend (as has happened in recent years) then you have a problem. If the outcome of the title - and sometimes cup competitions - is usually decided bu the derby matches involving those 2 teams then you have a problem.
And if there is anything worse than a two horse race then it is a one horse race - because that will kill off football in that country quicker than anything else. For sure Kilmarnock & Hearts have given us some hope last season that Celtic won't have everything going their way all the time, but truth be said those were more freak events than anything to suggest that this will be permanent.
In the end it will also affect Celtic negatively as well - despite all the noises that I keep on hearing from that part of Glasgow that they could live without Rangers. I do believe that Celtic will stand to dominate Scottish football for the next 2 or 3 season in any case but I don't think anybody in the SFA, or Celtic, can afford to allow it to go longer than that.
The SFA have a huge problem on their hands - and my guess is that they will fudge the issue and will give Rangers, what will amount to, a slap on the wrist, because the alternative could be even worse for Scotland. Of course it won't come as any consolation to Livingston fans - and probably any of the other smaller clubs if they go the same way as Rangers (albeit on a much smaller scale). I suppose we can say that at least Livingston are back in Div 1.
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Post by saphilip on Jun 17, 2012 8:02:48 GMT
Oh and can we stop the myth once and for all that all Rangers fans are bigots, while all Celtic fans are loveable and as good as gold. I agree that Rangers have their fair share of bigots - but I have spent enough time with Celtic fans to come to the exact same conclusion about some of them as well. And it does get distasteful when they talk about IRA, Bombs and all that other BS that should be a source of shame not pride.
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Post by Macmoish on Jun 17, 2012 8:07:42 GMT
Re Rangers, I'm scarcely a fan of Graeme Souness, but when he was Rangers' Manager and signed the First Catholic Player for Rangers, did a great thing in breaking a truly bizarre religious bar on players for the team.
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Post by ozzh00p on Jun 17, 2012 8:30:25 GMT
Re Rangers, I'm scarcely a fan of Graeme Souness, but when he was Rangers' Manager and signed the First Catholic Player for Rangers, did a great thing in breaking a truly bizarre religious bar on players for the team. Shamefull that it took till the 80's to overturn a ban that bellongs to the days of Cromwell.Like I say Bigots... Was the Catholic signing John Spencer, Mac??
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Post by Macmoish on Jun 17, 2012 8:34:15 GMT
Mo Johnston. To add a certain additional "spice," he was a former Celtic player and had already agreed to return to Celtic!
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Post by cpr on Jun 17, 2012 8:41:36 GMT
There is no good or bad, right or wrong etc etc, both sets of fans are equally bigotted.
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Post by saphilip on Jun 17, 2012 9:14:42 GMT
And you can guess what happened when Mo Johnston played in his first Old Firm Derby match in a blue shirt? Yip, he scored a last minute winner.
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Post by ozzh00p on Jun 17, 2012 9:25:48 GMT
Mo Johnston. To add a certain additional "spice," he was a former Celtic player and had already agreed to return to Celtic! Sorry Mac our very own Johnny Spencer was before Mo.. He signed as a schoolboy in 1985 .four years before Mo Johnston ( from Wiki) /////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// Spencer started his career at Rangers, signing with the club in 1985. His signature, even as a school boy who had yet to play a competitive senior match, proved controversial; Spencer was Catholic and the club had a strong Protestant culture.[citation needed] Spencer made his debut for Rangers in 1987, appearing 13 times and scoring twice. In 1988, he was loaned by then manager Graeme Souness to Morton, where he made four appearances (scoring once) before returning to Ibrox. Spencer remained a fringe player at Ibrox and after a further loan spell with Lai Sun[2] of Hong Kong was sold in 1992 to Chelsea for a fee of £450,000. ////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// In July 1989, after a financially motivated[4] change of mind, Johnston opted not to return to Celtic (who had recently sold his replacement Frank McAvennie back to West Ham United) and instead joined Graeme Souness' Rangers. Just days before signing for Rangers, Johnston had appeared at a press conference at Celtic Park where he declared that "Celtic are the only club that I want to play for..."[citation needed] The move angered both Celtic and Rangers supporters. Some Rangers fans burned scarves and threatened to hand in season tickets over the signing[5] while Celtic fans referred to Johnston as Judas and le petite merde.[4][6] Rangers' kitman protested by making Johnston arrange his own kit and withholding from him the chocolate bars dispensed to other players.[4] He did however win over a lot of Rangers in November 1989 when he scored an injury time winner for Rangers against former club and bitter rivals Celtic. During his celebration he ran towards the East Enclosure, where he was engulfed by supporters he had won over by virtue of his excellent play and hard work on the pitch. LOL at the Rangers kitman....
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Post by Macmoish on Jun 17, 2012 9:34:56 GMT
Thanks. Good to know. What a slimey Kitman. Rangers should have fired him on the spot.
Although think of the possibilities:
QPR Kitman: Don't like your attitude, Barton: Get your own kit
QPR Receptionist: "Not talking to you Flavio: Get your own Phone"
QPR Groundsman: "Don't like the way our pitch is getting cut up: Cut your own grass."
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Post by cowleyhoop on Jun 17, 2012 11:26:31 GMT
Sky reporting when the SPL fixtures are to be anounced with a TBC replacing Glasgow Rangers sounds very bad for them IMO
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Post by manta on Jun 17, 2012 15:10:44 GMT
Well not so long ago we saw Livingston get demoted all the way to Div 4 when they went into admin and faced financial problems, we saw Gretna getting liquidated and expelled from teh Scottish leagueand we saw Dundee geta 30 point penalty - only for it to be overturned. In recent years we have even seen a near bankrupt Airdrie reform as .. well Airdrie Utd .. by simply buying out Clydebank and retaining their Div 1 status. Oh and talking of Livingston - anybody ever heard of Meadowbank Utd? And what about Inverness Caledonian Thistle -a merger of 2 clubs in the early 90's to gain Scottish league status. In short the only consistent thing about Scotland and clubs going into bankruptcy and admin - not to mention merging - is the inconsistency that each incident is handled. In light of the Livingston ruling (fiasco?) - and their fans had a point when they mentioned that there was one rule for them and another rule for the big clubs - then Rangers should be demoted to Div 4 but that is unlikely to happen. You see Scotland have this problem that they have never even got close to resolving- even if there was some hope during the mid 80's that the status quo might change - and that is the dominance of Celtic and Rangers in all things Scottish football. While fans of towns and cities throughout the country are more interested in those 2 teams rather than their local clubs then you have a serious problem. When the attendance of one home game of either those 2 teams can be greater than the combined attendence figures of all the other games played that same weekend (as has happened in recent years) then you have a problem. If the outcome of the title - and sometimes cup competitions - is usually decided bu the derby matches involving those 2 teams then you have a problem. And if there is anything worse than a two horse race then it is a one horse race - because that will kill off football in that country quicker than anything else. For sure Kilmarnock & Hearts have given us some hope last season that Celtic won't have everything going their way all the time, but truth be said those were more freak events than anything to suggest that this will be permanent. In the end it will also affect Celtic negatively as well - despite all the noises that I keep on hearing from that part of Glasgow that they could live without Rangers. I do believe that Celtic will stand to dominate Scottish football for the next 2 or 3 season in any case but I don't think anybody in the SFA, or Celtic, can afford to allow it to go longer than that. The SFA have a huge problem on their hands - and my guess is that they will fudge the issue and will give Rangers, what will amount to, a slap on the wrist, because the alternative could be even worse for Scotland. Of course it won't come as any consolation to Livingston fans - and probably any of the other smaller clubs if they go the same way as Rangers (albeit on a much smaller scale). I suppose we can say that at least Livingston are back in Div 1. Good post.
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Post by obk on Jun 17, 2012 16:48:19 GMT
Re Rangers, I'm scarcely a fan of Graeme Souness, but when he was Rangers' Manager and signed the First Catholic Player for Rangers, did a great thing in breaking a truly bizarre religious bar on players for the team. www.youtube.com/watch?v=A1zH2x1-7LA
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Post by cowleyhoop on Jun 17, 2012 17:17:51 GMT
Seems rangers place is gonna be replaced in the fixtures by team 12. If the other spl teams vote them back in they should make them keep that as the new club name
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Post by qprvancouver on Jun 17, 2012 19:58:24 GMT
Didnt ever realize the level of anti Glasgow Rangers sentiment amongst the LR faithful even I suspect without the travesty of mismanagement inflicted on this great club. I would have thought with all the mismanagement we have endured over the years we would have empathy for them. The Gers will be back after they have served their penance. All the weeping and wailing about the acquisition is lost on me. Is it any different than the world of business and mergers and acquisitions? And where in all of this mess do HMRC sit? How many of us can go for as long as Rangers went without dealing with their taxes. They are as scummy as anyone in this mess. Football is a tribal pursuit and will remain so, despite governments efforts to sanitize and regulate it. The Green side of Scotland can make hay for a while and they will but in the anals of this historic confrontation it is but a small window of time. Let the SPL et al cut off their noses to spite their faces and see how they fair out. I suspect the Bluenoses will still turn out in droves to watch them against Cowdenbeath or whoever. As the Italians say "there are only two things you cant change in life" .........you mother and your team!
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Post by manta on Jun 18, 2012 3:58:10 GMT
I have empathy for the fans and certainly no anti-Rangers sentiment here. It's criminal what has happened.
Whatever people think in England, the SPL and other Scottish teams seem even more unsympathetic. Even their allies Hearts in Edinburgh want them booted out of the PL. Their fans voted 98% in favour in a poll. I just hope Green sticks by his pledges and they make a comeback but it's going to be a long road back to the top.
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Post by fraserinbc on Jun 18, 2012 4:08:19 GMT
Shamefull that it took till the 80's to overturn a ban that bellongs to the days of Cromwell Did you know that only last year a law was passed allowing a British Monarch to marry a Catholic, and even now a monarch cannot be Catholic themselves. Just saying.
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Post by ozzh00p on Jun 18, 2012 7:30:38 GMT
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Post by andygg on Jun 18, 2012 11:06:10 GMT
Club 12, as they are now called.
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Post by Lonegunmen on Jun 19, 2012 4:21:53 GMT
Should be Club 19, play 18 holes and drinks at the 19th.
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Post by Macmoish on Jun 22, 2012 16:58:33 GMT
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Post by cpr on Jun 25, 2012 15:59:15 GMT
Five clubs now against the newco joing the league, they are now well and truly farked!!!!
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Post by cpr on Jun 26, 2012 18:46:42 GMT
This thread is now unlocked, don't know how it was locked but probably my fault.
Many thanks to the eagle eyed poster. ;D
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Post by QPRAirdrie on Jun 26, 2012 22:54:24 GMT
I was actually at Mo Johnston's début for Rangers, testimonial for Johnnie Martin and Brian McKeowan at Broomfield, Airdrie. We had so much fun watching them burning their scarves, strips and even season tickets. Seems a bit weird now, but that was what it was like then. I still remember us chanting at Mo "Mo, Mo, sing us the sash", you want to have seen the teddy bears faces!
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