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Post by blockhead on Jun 13, 2010 14:30:00 GMT
World Cup organiser mulls vuvuzela ban - google news (AFP) – 52 minutes ago JOHANNESBURG — World Cup organising committee head Danny Jordaan on Sunday did not rule out banning vuvuzelas, the noisy plastic trumpets which have proved a hit with fans in South Africa but threaten to deafen players and viewers alike. Criticism of the vuvuzelas has been almost as loud as the instruments themselves with broadcasting companies complaining the din is almost drowning out commentary. "We've tried to get some order," said Jordaan. "We have asked for no vuvuzelas during national anthems or during stadium announcements. I know it's a difficult question," he added, saying that "we're trying to manage the best we can. "We heard from the broadcasters and individuals and it's something we are evaluating on an on-going base. Jordaan told the BBC in an interview that he had to consider the option of banning the trumpets. "If there are grounds to do so, yes," he said, asked if a ban was an option. France captain Patrice Evra said the incessant noise was a factor in his side's poor display in their draw with Uruguay. According to Evra: "We can't sleep at night because of the vuvuzelas. People start playing them from 6 a.m. We can't hear one another out on the pitch because of them," the Frenchman added. Jordaan said: "I would prefer singing" and called on fans to chant instead. "In the days of the struggle (against apartheid) we were singing, all through our history. It's our ability to sing that inspired and drove the emotions."
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Post by Lonegunmen on Jun 13, 2010 14:40:30 GMT
Bluntly speaking - They're a F***ING annoyance.
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Post by scarletpimple on Jun 13, 2010 14:41:50 GMT
Killing Atmosphere, who need to listen to a swarm of bee's/wasp's drowning out any sort of traditional singing chanting from fans.
World cup ruined by bloody vuvuzelas.
If they blew the bloody things only at their own teams games wouldn't be so bad, but every game so far is ridiculas.
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Post by Lonegunmen on Jun 13, 2010 14:43:44 GMT
They tried to introduce them out here for football and rugby games but fans wised up in about 30 seconds. Anyone caught with one is likely to have it jammed up their arse if they blow it for the first time.
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Post by obk on Jun 13, 2010 15:16:09 GMT
I agree, ban them. They are dreadful and totally kill the atmosphere!
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Post by Macmoish on Jun 13, 2010 15:17:55 GMT
Would have thought that those involved might have considered this and if consider it to be too distracted, would haved acted before the games began!
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Post by cpr on Jun 13, 2010 15:40:08 GMT
Quite it's too late to ban them now.
The slow-mo's, the close ups and the swirling overhead camera are p1ss1ng me off.
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Post by klr on Jun 13, 2010 16:44:22 GMT
I've found that its actually quite bad for you mentally trying to watch a match with all that going on for 90 minutes, also you are less engaged with the match than you usually would be, maybe because there hasnt been a cracking match yet, I'm not a fan of all this carry on though, it does my head in.
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Post by Macmoish on Jun 13, 2010 16:50:19 GMT
Would I prefer not to have it? Absolutely...And there's no up periods and down periods or my team/your team sounds, etc. Only question: Can you/should you ban it? Especialy during the tournament? (And physically can you prevent them being brought into grounds?_
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Post by saphilip on Jun 13, 2010 17:12:09 GMT
Dream on people, dream on. It is unlikely to happen - and it isn't just the locals who are blowing them, it is just as popular with the overseas fans.
The fact is that the more foreign players, commentators & the like have complained about it the more popular it has become - a sort of a "stuff you" message to them.
Yes I think Honest Sepp would dearly love to ban it but he knows all hell will break lose if he did. FIFA have interfered enough with our lives as it is - this would be a bridge too far.
Is it nosiy? Yes. Would the world be better of without it? Probably. Do you think we give a damn? No
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Post by scarletpimple on Jun 13, 2010 17:19:27 GMT
I hope the noise is a mating call for wasps and bees, that will teach em.
Digusting bl**dy noise and its spoiling the enjoyment of the world cup for many fans.
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Post by saphilip on Jun 13, 2010 17:38:32 GMT
Again - why does everybody think it is just the local fans who are blowing them at the WC games? The overseas fans are also blowing them with complete relish.
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Post by Lonegunmen on Jun 13, 2010 18:18:36 GMT
Makes no difference who's blowing them Phil, they're a friggen pain and should be confiscated at the gate.
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Post by toboboly on Jun 13, 2010 19:14:34 GMT
Everyone said they should be banned after the confederations cup/cup of nations but were told "This is how African football is". They are quite awful. You can hear fans trying to sing then giving up as they can't make any headway against such a racket.
However the games so far have all been terrible and I doubt that is all down to the horns.
And I agree that they need someone in the tv gantry who knows how to edit a football match because one more super slo-mo of nothing in particular is going to kill me.
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Post by saphilip on Jun 13, 2010 19:25:29 GMT
well they do things differently in Africa and the noisier the better. I suppose you get used to it because it doesn't bother me.
The problem with the football is that the gap between the teams has narrowed considerably - and with the top players all playing each other on a regualr basis in the various European leagues & cup competitions and with tactics all the same, it is hardly a surprise to see what is happening on the pitches at the moment.
In addition nobody wants to lose their first game so many teams have adopted a cautious attitude. Mind you Germany seem to havbe bucked that trend - they are killing Oz.
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Post by toboboly on Jun 13, 2010 19:27:18 GMT
Possibly Phil. I was quite shocked at just how poor some of the sides have been. England look in deep trouble.
My sweep stake pick of South Korea is suddenly looking a lot better!
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Post by Lonegunmen on Jun 13, 2010 19:45:00 GMT
well they do things differently in Africa and the noisier the better. I suppose you get used to it because it doesn't bother me. The problem with the football is that the gap between the teams has narrowed considerably - and with the top players all playing each other on a regualr basis in the various European leagues & cup competitions and with tactics all the same, it is hardly a surprise to see what is happening on the pitches at the moment. In addition nobody wants to lose their first game so many teams have adopted a cautious attitude. Mind you Germany seem to havbe bucked that trend - they are killing Oz. So is the Mexican referee. Germany are all over Oz but I think the ref has lost the plot a tad. Mind you players llike Craig Moore deserve a permanent yellow. This is more like the OZ team we played in the first half of our "Friendly".
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Post by Macmoish on Jun 14, 2010 13:40:29 GMT
No Ban! BBC - World Cup 2010: Organisers will not ban vuvuzelas The vuvuzela has already made a big impact at the World Cup World Cup organisers say they will not ban vuvuzelas from stadiums in South Africa, despite numerous complaints. The sound of the plastic horn has been likened to the drone of a thousand bees or a herd of stampeding elephants. Portugal winger Cristiano Ronaldo says the noise affects player concentration, while some fans watching on television claim they cannot hear the commentary. But a World Cup spokesman insisted vuvuzelas are "ingrained in the history of South Africa" and will remain. Rich Mkhondo also said vuvuzelas had worldwide appeal. "Let us not make this a South Africa instrument alone," he said. "A vuvuzela is now an international instrument. People buy them and stuff them in their suitcase to go home. "Only a minority are against vuvuzelas. You either love them or hate. We in South Africa love them." England defender Jamie Carragher said the noise did not bother him when he came on as a half-time substitute during the 1-1 draw with the United States and he said he had already bought two to take home to his children in Liverpool. I have always said that Africa has a different rhythm, a different sound Fifa president Sepp Blatter "When I came on I didn't notice it too much. I think you notice it more when you are watching on TV," he said. "But my kids have been on the phone and asked for two so I'll have to take two home for them. I've got two in my bag already. "Anyone who watches me play at Anfield will know that I am louder than the vuvuzelas!" Fifa president Sepp Blatter also weighed into the debate and believes vuvuzelas are part and parcel of football in South Africa. "I have always said that Africa has a different rhythm, a different sound," he commented on social networking site Twitter. "I don't see banning the music traditions of fans in their own country. Would you want to see a ban on the fan traditions in your country?" A recent survey found that the sound emitted by a vuvuzela was the equivalent to 127 decibels - louder than a drum's 122 decibels or a referee's whistle at 121.8 decibels. Portugal star Ronaldo is the latest World Cup star to voice unease about the trumpet. "It is difficult for anyone on the pitch to concentrate," said the Real Madrid forward. "A lot of players don't like them but they are going to have to get used to them." France captain Patrice Evra blamed the noise generated by the vuvuzelas for his side's poor showing in their opening group game against Uruguay, which finished goalless. He added: "We can't sleep at night because of the vuvuzelas. People start playing them from 6am. "We can't hear one another out on the pitch because of them." Backing for the under-fire vuvuzela has come from the England Supporters' Band, which has not missed an England game - home or away - since 1996. Trumpeter John Hemmingham, who is leading an eight-man team in South Africa, said the plastic instruments were part of the local culture and should not be banned from stadiums. 606: DEBATE I'm all for them - let South Africa host the tournament in their own inimitable style BBC Sport's Peter Scrivener "It's the way the South Africans express their joy and pleasure at the tournament being here," said Hemmingham. "It's certainly a challenge for us but there's no point whinging about it." Some people have complained the noise from the vuvuzelas has stopped fans from generating chants around the ground. But Hemmingham, who was at Saturday's game between England and the United States in Rustenburg, revealed: "We didn't have any problem. "The fans around us were all singing along and a lot of our fans were joining in with us using their vuvuzelas. It all added to the atmosphere. "There was definitely a different vibe about the place - the South Africans are loving it - and when in Rome, you just have to go along with it. "I bet there is not a single South African player complaining about the vuvuzela. They see it as more than just a noise, it's about the whole spirit of the thing." newsvote.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/world_cup_2010/8737455.stm
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Post by Lonegunmen on Jun 14, 2010 13:51:55 GMT
Maybe its because they dont know any football songs to sing?
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Post by haqpr1963 on Jun 14, 2010 14:10:38 GMT
Well if it upsets Ronaldo, then I think my opinion might have changed.........
I guess we will just have to learn to live with it (even if it does really **** me off). Let's just hope the quality of the football improves soon......
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Post by The Scooter on Jun 14, 2010 14:29:24 GMT
Getting interesting now......
4 national broadcasters have lodged formal complaints with FIFA re the vuvuzelas. One of whom having an extremely influential President.
Robin van Persie just escaped a 2nd yellow card by cupping his ears and pointing all around the crowd. The ref had his finger in his pocket and was about to raise the card. If the vuvuzela's are now having such a significant impact they need to be stopped.
For all this African culture nonsense, the vuvuzela was unheard of at football matches in SA 5 years back. Hardly a tradition! Get them gone.
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Post by scarletpimple on Jun 14, 2010 20:46:16 GMT
This world cup could turn out to be the worst ever, shoit games so far (hope it picks up) terrible atmosphere, dodgy football that only ze germans can shoot with.
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Post by klr on Jun 14, 2010 21:23:33 GMT
This world cup could turn out to be the worst ever, shoit games so far (hope it picks up) terrible atmosphere, dodgy football that only ze germans can shoot with. Think that is a little bit harsh to be honest. I would agree that it has been a "low key" start, but the Germany match was great & Brazil, Spain, Ivory Coast & Portugal havent even played yet, I'm not a fan of this whole vuvuzela lark & to be honest, it has already turned me to drink, I've already fallen asleep during a few matches, although that wasnt due to the drink, it was because literally nothing of interest was happening on the pitch. Thinking about it, you may be right, although I hope not. It has definately been a slow start.
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Post by Lonegunmen on Jun 15, 2010 0:19:28 GMT
I bet the "Hearing specialists" will be rubbing their hands with a smile as a whole load of new hearing affected patients show up.
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Post by blueeyedcptcook on Jun 15, 2010 2:06:22 GMT
Yes I agree that the Vuvuzela, should be banned. If they wish to play an instrument, it should be with a gentle sound, an instrument, say like the Didgeridoo. Nice and soft like doo doo.
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Post by Lonegunmen on Jun 15, 2010 4:54:38 GMT
I wonder if QBP would take one to Loftus Road? Game time in 6 hours 37 Minutes.
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Post by Macmoish on Jun 15, 2010 6:39:35 GMT
Watch out...! Guardian
World Cup 2010: Vuvuzelas may be on their way to the Premier League• Vuvuzela debate likely to continue after World Cup • Premier League would welcome the sound in England (1) (191)Tweet this (129)Owen Gibson in Johannesburg The great vuvuzela debate looks likely to run well beyond the World Cup final, after organisers yesterday urged international fans to export the horn to their own countries and the Premier League said it would welcome them in England. South African organisers today mounted a stout defence of the vuvuzela despite the World Cup organising committee's chief executive Danny Jordaan saying he preferred the sound of singing and would continue to monitor the situation. As one bookmaker began taking bets on which Premier League club would be first to sell vuvuzelas in their team's colours, a spokesman said there was nothing in its rules that would stop supporters taking them into grounds. A Premier League spokesman said: "Nothing in our rules specifically prohibits musical instruments from being brought into grounds as these matters are dealt with at a club level. It will be down to stadium managers, in consultation with supporters groups, to determine what is appropriate." A spokesman for the local organising committee said the horns were here to stay and called on visiting supporters to take them home and introduce them to their own footballing culture. The loud drone of the vuvuzela has sparked an international debate, with broadcasters inundated with complaints and arguments raging on radio phone-ins. But South African organisers said today vuvuzelas are an important part of the country's footballing culture and will not be banned unless rules forbidding fans entering the field of play with them are flouted. "There has never been any consideration to ban them. The history of the vuvuzela is ingrained in the history of South Africa," said a spokesman. "They emanate from the horn used by our forefathers to call meetings. The vuvuzelas are used to express the feelings about the game itself." He pointed out that the instrument had been adopted by international fans, with the noise of vuvuzelas dominating matches involving European countries too. "Let us not make this a South African instrument alone. The vuvuzela is now an international instrument. People will buy them and stuff them in their suitcases and take them home," he said. But some South Africans believe that there have only been so many complaints from overseas because the vuvuzelas are being blown indiscriminately by first timers rather than in unison to reflect the ebb and flow of the game, as is the case at South African Premier League matches. The organising committee spokesman attempted to draw a line under the debate. "This is a world event hosted by South Africa. As our guests, please embrace our culture and the way we celebrate," he said. "We should close this discussion now. We have been talking about it for a year and it will never end. You either love them or you hate them. We in South Africa love them." www.guardian.co.uk/football/2010/jun/14/world-cup-vuvuzela-premier-league
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Post by Macmoish on Jun 15, 2010 6:46:41 GMT
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Post by Lonegunmen on Jun 15, 2010 7:06:07 GMT
Why are people not calling them "horns" as they were being called that prior to this World Cup. There were small numbers of them here for various sports and they were called HORNS. Regaredless, those blowing them in the ears of people in front of them quickly got dealt to...errr dealt with.
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Post by cpr on Jun 15, 2010 7:26:30 GMT
If you ban them the noise will not go away.
I watched a lot of the confederations cup and I've watched every game so far.
I took delivery of a new HD TV yesterday. Vast swathes of the crowds either had no vuvuzelas (they were called that in the confederations cup as well) and yet the sound is identical in every game. The volume increases slightly then returns when a goal is scored.
IT'S A BLOODY RECORDING i TELL YOU!!!!!
My mate had two of them at my house for the England game, we were going to attack him but he could hardly get either to make a noise and almost killed himself as he turned red.
So my conclusion is, the sound is either added or played at each game.
When you see locals on TV outside stadiums, they are trying to play tunes not impersonate a beehive.
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